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The Dwemer in ESO
Much of what actually happened to the Dwemer, is mysterious in Elder Scrolls lore.
"I think Kagrenac might have succeeded in granting our race eternal life, with unforeseen consequences -- such as wholesale displacement to an Outer Realm. Or he may have erred, and utterly destroyed our race."
-YAGRUM BAGARN
My questions are.
Would you like to see the Dwemer as a playable race in ESO?
And
How do you think it could or would be done?
Edited by vonknobby on June 11, 2019 11:33PM "I think Kagrenac might have succeeded in granting our race eternal life, with unforeseen consequences -- such as wholesale displacement to an Outer Realm. Or he may have erred, and utterly destroyed our race."
-YAGRUM BAGARN
My questions are.
Would you like to see the Dwemer as a playable race in ESO?
And
How do you think it could or would be done?
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myskyrim26✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, it is lore breaking. Also, Dwemer is not a race. They are of same appearance as Altmer and Chimer (before they became Dunmer). They are called Dwemer for other reasons, search TIL.Edited by myskyrim26 on June 11, 2019 11:36PM22 -
therift✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Absolutely not. Nor should they return.
In a fantasy realm, some mysterious legends should remain so.
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Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, definitely not.
For reasons why, please see previous threads on this subject. There have been a few.4 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, Dwemer are gone. Only in an elder scrolls game takes place in the past prior to their disappearance.Edited by Aliyavana on June 11, 2019 11:44PM6 -
RebornV3x✭✭✭✭✭
✭I hope to never see a Dwemer in this game but with dragons appearing in the game its anything goes at this point is obvious ZOS does not give a single f.. about lore I can see why Lawrence Schick left.
when ZOS eventually puts them into the game it will probably be some stupid convoluted thing that makes absolutely no sense
(like how do dragons live for hundreds of years in a barren cave with presumably nothing to eat and why dragons can't get out is even dumber the whole Halls of Colossus thing is dumb I could go on anyways.......)
so it will probably go like this you will need to find 3 separate pieces of a key that when combined opens some long forgotten cave that leads to another thing that just releases them and bam just like that the Dwemer are back in action presumably in a way that says f u to existing lore and what we already know about the Dwemer just so ZOS can get its laughs in.
at this point transgendered green aliens from jupiter wearing pink skirts would probably be lore friendly at this point.
Edited by RebornV3x on June 12, 2019 1:14AMXbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.4 -
OneForSorrow✭✭✭✭No, no playable Dwemer, not unless we somehow...idk...time-meld into the distant past.
That's not to say I'm against new playable races, though. This is a MMO, new races shake things up spectacularly. It wouldn't be the first time new races were introduced to Elder Scrolls either.
For example, the Lilmothiit (fox people) would be interesting to me. At this point they're considered wiped out but their supposed extinction was only 20 years ago or so, there could be pockets of them still around (if this game took place much later I'd say no on Lilmothiit).
...Also Maormer. I know they're baddies, especially to the Dominion, but...PC NA. Various alts, trying to find a main, I have no idea what I'm doing.1 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well one, we have a Lore category to post in.
And two, you want a Race that's completely vanished and absent from the world, to be a playable one?CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope.
Maomer? Feasable. Dwemer? Heck no....Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!3 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭One of the big cornerstones of the Dwemer identity is the fact that they disappeared and nobody has a clue what happened to them. So no, a playable Dwemer race would not work because that would just undo everything about them."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."4 -
Ildun✭✭✭✭Not as playable race, but i do hope to experience their memories with temporarily unique skill1
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✭✭I want to play as a dremora pleb who eventually joins the ranks of daedra."Knee-jerk reactionist."
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essi2✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No"The Heritance are racists yes? Idiots. But dangerous, destabilizing racist idiots." - Razum-dar
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Nova Sky✭✭✭✭✭I hope to never see a Dwemer in this game but with dragons appearing in the game its anything goes at this point is obvious ZOS does not give a single f.. about lore I can see why Lawrence Schick left.
when ZOS eventually puts them into the game it will probably be some stupid convoluted thing that makes absolutely no sense
(like how do dragons live for hundreds of years in a barren cave with presumably nothing to eat and why dragons can't get out is even dumber the whole Halls of Colossus thing is dumb I could go on anyways.......)
so it will probably go like this you will need to find 3 separate pieces of a key that when combined opens some long forgotten cave that leads to another thing that just releases them and bam just like that the Dwemer are back in action presumably in a way that says f u to existing lore and what we already know about the Dwemer just so ZOS can get its laughs in.
at this point transgendered green aliens from jupiter wearing pink skirts would probably be lore friendly at this point.
So, did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
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✭✭✭✭✭If we ever get an ES game where we see the battle between the Snow Elves and the original Nord, then yes we'll see Dwemer too until then, no.3 -
Watchdog✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hell no.
The Dwemer being gone and the mystery of their disappearance are what keeps them mysterious, fascinating, and drawing so much interest. Remove the mystery and you destroy one of the most elaborated portions of the Elder Scrolls lore, in exchange for another Mer race.
I would prefer keeping the mystery, thank you very much.Member of Alith Legion: https://www.alithlegion.com9 -
Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hell no.
The Dwemer being gone and the mystery of their disappearance are what keeps them mysterious, fascinating, and drawing so much interest. Remove the mystery and you destroy one of the most elaborated portions of the Elder Scrolls lore, in exchange for another Mer race.
I would prefer keeping the mystery, thank you very much.
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✭no dude. hell no
are you new to ES lore?
cuz looks like you don't even imagine
how many s**t gonna hit the fan
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Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I appreciate the quality feedback of some, not sure why some people are so upset
It's because this has been brought up many times before despite it being about as blatant a violation of the lore as you can get. We're talking Gandalf hops into a Corvette and flies it over to Mordor to steal Sauron's bikini clad elven girlfriend by beating him in a dance contest levels of lore breaking here.
I can understand if someone new to the Elder Scrolls universe hasn't gone down that road yet and just thinks steampunk dwarves are cool or something so they want to be one. Problem is that would completely destroy their identity within the ES universe. It would be like wanting Darth Vader to be a pacifist."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."3 -
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Nah, not really...My questions are.
Would you like to see the Dwemer as a playable race in ESO?
Not.How do you think it could or would be done?
Its that simple.
Not only are the dwemer -gone-, we ALSO know from the talk with the lone remaining dwemer that in all the time he lived between their disappearance at the battle of red mountain to the conversation we have with him during TES-III:Morrowind he spent ALL that time seraching, and NEVER found even word of another living dwemer.
So, the lore -clearly- makes it completely impossible for there to be a dwemer running around as player race in ESO.
Only way we could see them in their glory days was in some "flashback quest"...
Not like this hasn't been said before: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422285/new-player-race-possibilities/p1
That is debatable.myskyrim26 wrote: »Also, Dwemer is not a race. They are of same appearance as Altmer and Chimer (before they became Dunmer). They are called Dwemer for other reasons, search TIL.
The dwemer were certainly similar to chimer (not altmer, their skin seemed more silver-grey then gold if one looks at the few examples like occasional dwemer spectre or the last living dwemer... but since all of those are possibly altered through undeath or corprus, well...)
But they DID split off from the other mer races a long time ago, living underground and all... so it is quite likely that they had become a seperate race at some point in time. After all, every other elven race did, though most of those may have involved some supernatural assistance (we know orsimer and dunmer went that route, bosmer might have as well, who knows about maormer untiol ZOS makes a decision...)
Agreed. And at this time, he should still be un-infected and desperately searching for any sign of where his people went... if they ever make a dwemer themed DLC (Blackreach, perhaps?) they would add him to the NPCs there...Konstant_Tel_Necris wrote: »But would be awesome meet Yagrum Bagarn before he was affected by corprus disease.
Exactly. They are gone and done as a -race- and argomians have taken over all their homelands... but as seperate -individuals-, it might be possible (though about as rare as an apex mount). Same with Kothringi.OneForSorrow wrote: »For example, the Lilmothiit (fox people) would be interesting to me. At this point they're considered wiped out but their supposed extinction was only 20 years ago or so, there could be pockets of them still around (if this game took place much later I'd say no on Lilmothiit).
...but we play a lot of baddies, like imperials who play antagonists in many alliance questlines, or opposing alliance races - all for a crown unlock.OneForSorrow wrote: »...Also Maormer. I know they're baddies, especially to the Dominion, but...
A maormer exiled (or just escaping execution) from their own people, forced to live amonmg the groundwalkers, and somehow becoming an unlikely hero among them... it could work. Maybe not in AD, the altmer really have that grudge against their maormer cousins... but everywhere else there is no long standing hatred, and maormer are nothing more then a distant elf race known for piracy and xenophobia... no worse then the other distant elf race known for magic and xenophobia, or the distant elf race known for woodcraft and cannibalism...
But as I said, been there and posted all that before:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422285/new-player-race-possibilities/p1 Edited by TheShadowScout on June 12, 2019 6:35AM1 -
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✭✭Dwemer? No. They're supposed to be shrouded in mystery, and it wouldn't make sense to have them running around in 2E. Nobody mentioned Tsaesci. The snake folk certainly hade a presence in Tamriel during and after the Reman rule and they still exist on Akavir in 2E. So maybe another, smaller invasion? Or a pocket of war survivors that decided to live in Tamriel peacefully? Akavir refugees?"I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
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navystylz_ESO✭✭✭✭It's hypothesized that the Dwemer were sucked through a Dragon Break in the Battle of Red Mountain. So it's possible they might be spit out in a later future like the Dragons in Skyrim, but having Dwemer in ESO would be a gross lore violation. Much like having Dragons in Elsweyr are. Of course, Dragon Breaks are also used to explain away any inconsistencies of history, conflicting timelines, etc.In the ensuing battle, Kagrenac (or Dagoth Ur, by Azura's instruction) used the Tools on the Heart of Lorkhan, which caused the Dwemer to immediately vanish from Nirn.[9][16] Nerevar died (or was murdered)[16] soon after, the Tribunal took possession of Kagrenac's tools, and used them to tap the Heart to fuel their apotheoses,[9][16] and thereafter made an annual pilgrimage to the Heart Chamber to recharge their powers.[12]1
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...and that would actually be playing fair with TES lore. They could easily make a "return of the dwemer"... for some future TES game set in the fifth or sixth era. Which would be a cool thing - a TES style steampunk game? I'd wanna play that!navystylz_ESO wrote: »It's hypothesized that the Dwemer were sucked through a Dragon Break in the Battle of Red Mountain. So it's possible they might be spit out in a later future like the Dragons in Skyrim...
NOT something for ESO tho, not without shattering the lore to pieces.
Not even dragon breaks could exp,ain this, since dragon breaks only ever explain multiple diverging timelines from that one dragonbreak point forward which may or may not come together at some point...
(Its the explaination I always headcanon when different characters have different instances when they made different choices during a multiple chgoice quest...)
But the dwemer are gone for -ages-. No dragonbreak could explain them returning in ESO that easily. Not that its really needed, as I always say, they -could- give us flashback quests to see them in their glory days... and they could give us more dwemer-themed outfit and appearance options. You may not be able to play a dwemer... but you -could- play a dunmer who is a dwemer fanboy, grows a dwemer style beard, dresses dwemer style, researches dwemer stuff, has a dawmer construct pet, and so on... next best thing, really.1 -
navystylz_ESO✭✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »Not even dragon breaks could exp,ain this, since dragon breaks only ever explain multiple diverging timelines from that one dragonbreak point forward which may or may not come together at some point...The Time-Wound
Possibly the first Dragon Break in known history was in Skyrim during the Merethic Era, and it served to bring about the end of the Dragon War.[1] The ancient Nords confronted Alduin himself, the First-Born of Akatosh and leader of the dragons.[2][3] With no conventional means to defeat the wyrm, their ancient champions instead used an Elder Scroll and the power of the thu'um to create a "Tid-Ahraan", or Time-Wound, and thereby eject Alduin from their time, propelling him into the future.[1] His temporary defeat cleared the way for Nordic civilization to emerge as it is known today. This distortion of time and space had some similarities to other Dragon Breaks, though it has not been explicitly described as one.Because the use of Numidium has not once, but twice been associated with a Dragon Break, it is speculated that some of the events surrounding the Battle of Red Mountain and the disappearance of the Dwemer around 1E 700 may also be explained by a Dragon Break.[4] This purported Dragon Break, sometimes called the Red Moment,[UOL 2] involved the battle which ultimately resulted in the disappearance of the Dwemer.[10][11] The accounts of this battle often conflict with each other on various points, such as the loyalties of the parties in the battle and the events which transpired at the climax of the battle, including how the Dwemer met their fate.[11][10][12][13]
This involved the heart of a god. Definitely powerful enough to propel a whole race through time. Or be locked away in an "other" place which in future is discovered how to return them from that place. Powerful enough to keep 4 Mer so powerful they were seen as living Gods. Well 3 we're, the other put a stop to that yearly power up.Edited by navystylz_ESO on June 12, 2019 11:59AM0
