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So I rolled a Magsorc ...
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Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Are you actually saying you know a class from playing it at level 44 in the lowbie cyrodil campaign?
PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Knightpanther✭✭✭✭✭
✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Knightpanther wrote: »Knightpanther wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »While everyone else was rolling new necromancers, I figured now would be as good time a time as any to level an alt as well. Anyone who knows me knows that I’ve played a Magplar about 99% of the last few years, so despite me having (now) 9 characters, most of them were still essentially untouched level 3s.
So I decided that before I leveled my necromancer I should probably finish power leveling the Magsorc I started like 2 years back that had been sitting at level 37.
Here is what I learned as I got to level 44 by killing wasps and deckhands last night.
Nerf Magsorc.
No ... I kid, I kid. It’s fine but wow, you guys have it easy AF. The Magsorc meta rotation is ridiculously intuitive and easy to pull off. I knew what it would be from years of being bursted by a purple cloud as I’m rooted and getting smashed with a crystal at the same time. From the other side it looks like skill ... from the Magsorc side it’s like the least skill based thing I’ve ever done in this game.
Magsorc is just easier.
And while normally the reaction should probably be “just wait till you PVP” I had 300,000+ AP on the character from 2 years ago. Levels 10 to 37 where actually done in Cyrodiil.
In a nutshell I think my Magsorc - who has like 50 skill points total might wipe the floor with my Magplar that has 300 something. I feel like I just decided to take remedial math after a semester of advanced trigonometry.
#balance
Wow can I have some of what you're smoking?
If this is the case I should be able to wipe everyone in Cyrodiil just mashing three buttons whilst drinking tea and a cake, or even better I will hand the keyboard to my 5 year old.
Ah but wait, theres other classes too played by skilled players!
Oh wait now I get it, sorry didn't realise that Troll was a playable race
Be safe
There's always people who are good at a class and do kill a lot of players.
You could probably teach a five year old to play either magplar or sorc, however kids, crumbs and tea are not recommended around keyboards. Mine are a few years older that and understand the concept of a 'rotation'.
The dickiest thing about sorcs is they have a high kill ratio because their no brainer, fire and forget crap steals everybodies KB's and like nb's, they just bugger off under pressure.. yawn and the fact that a pet of theirs can be 45 degrees from my los, have the sorc tab'd and it hits the freakin pet.. i mean ffs lol
Im with you on the kids and keyboard crap but im not with you on the fire and forget stuff?
Be safe
The whole class is fire and forget. Curse, root, frag and then they all explode in the middle of a light attack you added in. Sure, many people can survive it, I have hundreds of times, but go ahead and tell me the super awesome opening skill that Magplars have? Oh wait ... there isn’t one. Let along 3 that all stack damage and smash someone for like 40k at once.
But at least we have radiant ... which I’m now discovering might not actually be as good as Mage’s Wrath.
But thanks for telling me to be safe. Was that the next part of the Geneva Convention after the section that says you can say whatever you want as long as you say “with all due respect?”
I see your point but its not as easy as that.
I very rarely get killed by sorcerer's (I aint a pvp god), many of the skills you mention rely on a huge amount of luck.
Frags which most folks complain about in reality do an average of 6/7k damage, curse always gets cleansed and if your low enough health to be killed by a wrath proc your just as easily killed by a light attack.
Im not a hardcore pvper, I like sieging and having fun, im heavy armor (5/1/1) Axiom / Spinners / and I rotate monsters, sitting at around 31k health and 25k resists you will be lucky to get me at range, BUT most of my deaths come from melee range from NBs, DKs etc, try warping out when your constantly stunned.
Not wanting a discussion on how to play, I have every class at max level and understand how they all work, sorcerers are by no means the easiest class to play. I could real off the names of some players I come up against who are that good they just make their class look childs play but we all know the reality.
Be safe
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THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Are you actually saying you know a class from playing it at level 44 in the lowbie cyrodil campaign?
No. I’ve been PVPing in the vet campaigns exclusively since launch. I am saying that I know the class exceptionally well from fighting against the best magsorcs for years so I just copied what worked best against me. Go figure, I can steamroll stuff.
I’m over 2000 hours in. If I can’t learn my opponents tendencies in that time I should give up.4 -
Knightpanther✭✭✭✭✭
✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Knightpanther wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »While everyone else was rolling new necromancers, I figured now would be as good time a time as any to level an alt as well. Anyone who knows me knows that I’ve played a Magplar about 99% of the last few years, so despite me having (now) 9 characters, most of them were still essentially untouched level 3s.
So I decided that before I leveled my necromancer I should probably finish power leveling the Magsorc I started like 2 years back that had been sitting at level 37.
Here is what I learned as I got to level 44 by killing wasps and deckhands last night.
Nerf Magsorc.
No ... I kid, I kid. It’s fine but wow, you guys have it easy AF. The Magsorc meta rotation is ridiculously intuitive and easy to pull off. I knew what it would be from years of being bursted by a purple cloud as I’m rooted and getting smashed with a crystal at the same time. From the other side it looks like skill ... from the Magsorc side it’s like the least skill based thing I’ve ever done in this game.
Magsorc is just easier.
And while normally the reaction should probably be “just wait till you PVP” I had 300,000+ AP on the character from 2 years ago. Levels 10 to 37 where actually done in Cyrodiil.
In a nutshell I think my Magsorc - who has like 50 skill points total might wipe the floor with my Magplar that has 300 something. I feel like I just decided to take remedial math after a semester of advanced trigonometry.
#balance
Wow can I have some of what you're smoking?
If this is the case I should be able to wipe everyone in Cyrodiil just mashing three buttons whilst drinking tea and a cake, or even better I will hand the keyboard to my 5 year old.
Ah but wait, theres other classes too played by skilled players!
Oh wait now I get it, sorry didn't realise that Troll was a playable race
Be safe
Nice leap there. At what point did “easier to play” become “I can wipe everyone with 3 buttons”? You’ll still need a modicum of skill, but it’s clearly easier to achieve this level as a Magsorc than what appears to be any other class combo.
Then again, maybe you stink at ESO.
HAHA I want stoop to your level of insulting folks, too old and wise for that.
In my experience there are classes far easier to play than the mage but then we all excel and different things don't we.
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Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Are you actually saying you know a class from playing it at level 44 in the lowbie cyrodil campaign?
No. I’ve been PVPing in the vet campaigns exclusively since launch. I am saying that I know the class exceptionally well from fighting against the best magsorcs for years so I just copied what worked best against me. Go figure, I can steamroll stuff.
I’m over 2000 hours in. If I can’t learn my opponents tendencies in that time I should give up.
Are you on PC NA?PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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✭This is why i rerolled to stamsorc, couldnt help but feeling dirty af as magsorc, its like the most skill(less) class in the game lol2 -
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✭✭In the end it all comes down to your own skill. I've seen MagDKs, Stamdens and Magsorcs that can take on armies on their own. And I've seen the same classes fall like a house of cards."Knee-jerk reactionist."
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THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
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HAHA I want stoop to your level of insulting folks, too old and wise for that.
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Wow can I have some of what you're smoking?
If this is the case I should be able to wipe everyone in Cyrodiil just mashing three buttons whilst drinking tea and a cake, or even better I will hand the keyboard to my 5 year old.
Ah but wait, theres other classes too played by skilled players!
Oh wait now I get it, sorry didn't realise that Troll was a playable race
Be safe
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You literally called me a troll in your first post. Not sure how you can play the “stoop to your level card” on this one. Whatever.2 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Are you actually saying you know a class from playing it at level 44 in the lowbie cyrodil campaign?
No. I’ve been PVPing in the vet campaigns exclusively since launch. I am saying that I know the class exceptionally well from fighting against the best magsorcs for years so I just copied what worked best against me. Go figure, I can steamroll stuff.
I’m over 2000 hours in. If I can’t learn my opponents tendencies in that time I should give up.
Are you on PC NA?
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Knightpanther✭✭✭✭✭
✭Karmanorway wrote: »This is why i rerolled to stamsorc, couldnt help but feeling dirty af as magsorc, its like the most skill(less) class in the game lol
Are you having a giraffe? I was a Stamsorc from launch its way easier than being a caster, two hander/heavy armor/Crit surge/Hurricane and wade in, try killing folks with a pointy stick!
Be safe
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Knightpanther✭✭✭✭✭
✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »
HAHA I want stoop to your level of insulting folks, too old and wise for that.
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Wow can I have some of what you're smoking?
If this is the case I should be able to wipe everyone in Cyrodiil just mashing three buttons whilst drinking tea and a cake, or even better I will hand the keyboard to my 5 year old.
Ah but wait, theres other classes too played by skilled players!
Oh wait now I get it, sorry didn't realise that Troll was a playable race
Be safe
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You literally called me a troll in your first post. Not sure how you can play the “stoop to your level card” on this one. Whatever.[/quote]
Sorry mate I meant no offense, the original post was tongue in cheek, sometimes folks don't get this old soldiers sense of humour
Be safe
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✭✭✭✭✭Knightpanther wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »This is why i rerolled to stamsorc, couldnt help but feeling dirty af as magsorc, its like the most skill(less) class in the game lol
Are you having a giraffe? I was a Stamsorc from launch its way easier than being a caster, two hander/heavy armor/Crit surge/Hurricane and wade in, try killing folks with a pointy stick!
Be safe
Yeah, but that pointy stick spews fire balls or bolts of lightning from a safe distance.
Edited by TequilaFire on June 6, 2019 5:21PM4 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Knightpanther wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »
HAHA I want stoop to your level of insulting folks, too old and wise for that.
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Wow can I have some of what you're smoking?
If this is the case I should be able to wipe everyone in Cyrodiil just mashing three buttons whilst drinking tea and a cake, or even better I will hand the keyboard to my 5 year old.
Ah but wait, theres other classes too played by skilled players!
Oh wait now I get it, sorry didn't realise that Troll was a playable race
Be safe
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You literally called me a troll in your first post. Not sure how you can play the “stoop to your level card” on this one. Whatever.[/quote]
Sorry mate I meant no offense, the original post was tongue in cheek, sometimes folks don't get this old soldiers sense of humour
Be safe
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Sorry man. Let’s just call a truce. You seem like a good fellow. My bad.2 -
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✭Knightpanther wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »This is why i rerolled to stamsorc, couldnt help but feeling dirty af as magsorc, its like the most skill(less) class in the game lol
Are you having a giraffe? I was a Stamsorc from launch its way easier than being a caster, two hander/heavy armor/Crit surge/Hurricane and wade in, try killing folks with a pointy stick!
Be safe
Yea but dont forget we dont have a class spammable, We have only dizzy that hits the target 2/10 times, altho dw/snb stamsorc is so ez mode its boring0 -
Knightpanther✭✭✭✭✭
✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Knightpanther wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »
HAHA I want stoop to your level of insulting folks, too old and wise for that.
Looks back 1 page ...
Wow can I have some of what you're smoking?
If this is the case I should be able to wipe everyone in Cyrodiil just mashing three buttons whilst drinking tea and a cake, or even better I will hand the keyboard to my 5 year old.
Ah but wait, theres other classes too played by skilled players!
Oh wait now I get it, sorry didn't realise that Troll was a playable race
Be safe
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You literally called me a troll in your first post. Not sure how you can play the “stoop to your level card” on this one. Whatever.[/quote]
Sorry mate I meant no offense, the original post was tongue in cheek, sometimes folks don't get this old soldiers sense of humour
Be safe
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Sorry man. Let’s just call a truce. You seem like a good fellow. My bad.[/quote]THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Knightpanther wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »
HAHA I want stoop to your level of insulting folks, too old and wise for that.
Looks back 1 page ...
Wow can I have some of what you're smoking?
If this is the case I should be able to wipe everyone in Cyrodiil just mashing three buttons whilst drinking tea and a cake, or even better I will hand the keyboard to my 5 year old.
Ah but wait, theres other classes too played by skilled players!
Oh wait now I get it, sorry didn't realise that Troll was a playable race
Be safe
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You literally called me a troll in your first post. Not sure how you can play the “stoop to your level card” on this one. Whatever.[/quote]
Sorry mate I meant no offense, the original post was tongue in cheek, sometimes folks don't get this old soldiers sense of humour
Be safe
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Sorry man. Let’s just call a truce. You seem like a good fellow. My bad.[/quote]
lol no worries you've prolly killed me a million times in Cyrodiil anyway
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Knightpanther✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »Knightpanther wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »This is why i rerolled to stamsorc, couldnt help but feeling dirty af as magsorc, its like the most skill(less) class in the game lol
Are you having a giraffe? I was a Stamsorc from launch its way easier than being a caster, two hander/heavy armor/Crit surge/Hurricane and wade in, try killing folks with a pointy stick!
Be safe
Yeah, but that pointy stick spews fire balls or bolts of lightning from a safe distance.
Yep mine does that lightning thing, it looks cool but sadly it would have been like you hitting my old Challenger tank with a hose pipe.
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kamimark✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »No ... I kid, I kid. It’s fine but wow, you guys have it easy AF. The Magsorc meta rotation is ridiculously intuitive and easy to pull off. I knew what it would be from years of being bursted by a purple cloud as I’m rooted and getting smashed with a crystal at the same time. From the other side it looks like skill ... from the Magsorc side it’s like the least skill based thing I’ve ever done in this game.
Magsorc is just easier.
As a mostly MagSorc main, it's an easy class to learn a basic rotation: Haunting Curse/Daedric Prey, Force Pulse or another spammable, Crystal Frags (I don't know why ZOS still has the other morph), maybe Mage's Wrath if you care about executes (frags is my execute, but YMMV). Keep Hardened Ward and Streak ready for survival. Rune Cage, Haunting Curse, & Daedric Mines are hilarious fun in PVP, though I'm no PVP pro.
But harder content quickly reveals that this isn't enough. Getting a good rotation for over 25K is much harder, and requires better timing, and your sustain won't keep up. You need a LOT of practice to get above starting easy-mode.
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yRaven✭✭✭✭Oh... another post about ''Nerf Sorc''... yep, definitely is going to happen nowJack of all trades. Master of at least one.
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Persephónē - Magicka Warden (EP)
Athēna - Magicka Templar (EP)
Hādēs - Magicka Necromancer (EP)
Hërmës - Runner Troll (EP)2 -
Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭From my PoV there is easy role for some class.
Templar are easy healer, DK are easy tank and Magsorc are easy dps.
That doesn't mean they don't take skill, that just mean their better designed.
Warden healer is my main and 1st created char (as healer) and it was hard for me to get it to max potential.
So I've rule a Templar like forum guys recommended me and add fun while playing and learning all game mechanic.
Like you, with the Necro madness, I've take back my main and level up it and now I'm really good with it and was really easy to build since I know more the game.
Imho, it's important to have some easiest class so newcomer can learn faster without be frustrated.[ PC EU ]
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✭@Knightpanther
just pointing out that you spamming "Be safe" at every post just points out how much attention you require and that you show that you feel entitled to end a discussion with your opinion closing it in assuming as you're right and we should all shut up now because you made the correct point.
in which case i can't argue with or for people like you. Stop the bloat posts.
we all know magsorc is easier, let's all play magsorc and we're done.-PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube2 -
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This made me laugh because guess what most of the eso players also main stamblade and look what happened 😂GeorgeBlack wrote: »Not gonna happen. Most eso players main sorc
Meanwhile I smh at all the "dont nerf sorc, buff other classes"
Cough wings cough
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✭✭✭✭Deathlord92 wrote: »
This made me laugh because guess what most of the eso players also main stamblade and look what happened 😂GeorgeBlack wrote: »Not gonna happen. Most eso players main sorc
Meanwhile I smh at all the "dont nerf sorc, buff other classes"
Cough wings cough
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Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So you're saying magsorc is easy because of the leveling process and fighting noobs on Xbox in the pre-level 50 campaign where half the population doesn't even know how to roll dodge yet? Sounds like a typical nerf sorc post to me.
Yeah, sorc can be easier to level because of the pets and attracts tons of noobs and FOTM players, but it is also a bot killing machine. You really don't get the overall perspective on any class till you get to a much higher level.
At high MMR on PC NA, you basically only have 5 or so magsorcs that are BG regulars and aren't just free kills. All the FOTM and noob sorcs are just free points and are just as useless as getting a NB on your team. On top of that, pretty much all the good players I've seen try out a magsorc have ended up doing just as well or worse than they would have on their main anyway. As for your point about magplars, they can definitely do just as well as sorcs and can easily have high scoring games. In fact, they tend to be stronger in games with more roll dodge spammers and tankier enemy teams since beam goes through roll dodge and hits way harder than fury.3 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So you're saying magsorc is easy because of the leveling process and fighting noobs on Xbox in the pre-level 50 campaign where half the population doesn't even know how to roll dodge yet? Sounds like a typical nerf sorc post to me.
Yeah, sorc can be easier to level because of the pets and attracts tons of noobs and FOTM players, but it is also a bot killing machine. You really don't get the overall perspective on any class till you get to a much higher level.
At high MMR on PC NA, you basically only have 5 or so magsorcs that are BG regulars and aren't just free kills. All the FOTM and noob sorcs are just free points and are just as useless as getting a NB on your team. On top of that, pretty much all the good players I've seen try out a magsorc have ended up doing just as well or worse than they would have on their main anyway. As for your point about magplars, they can definitely do just as well as sorcs and can easily have high scoring games. In fact, they tend to be stronger in games with more roll dodge spammers and tankier enemy teams since beam goes through roll dodge and hits way harder than fury.
No. That’s definitely not what I’m saying. I have thousands of hours of vet PVP. That’s the only place I play.
Did you know that when they crowned the first emperor in beta, I was in 2nd? No, of course you didn’t. You just made assumptions and didn’t read. Any leveling in Cyrodiil done by me would have been in Vivek, from 7 to 11 eastern (prime time) and highly likely as a solo player. I know exactly what I’m talking about.
Magsorcs have a ridiculously easy rotation in comparison to Magplars.
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✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »
Magsorcs have a ridiculously easy rotation in comparison to Magplars.
This is if they're fighting enemies who stand still and refrain from purging, correct?1 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »So you're saying magsorc is easy because of the leveling process and fighting noobs on Xbox in the pre-level 50 campaign where half the population doesn't even know how to roll dodge yet? Sounds like a typical nerf sorc post to me.
Yeah, sorc can be easier to level because of the pets and attracts tons of noobs and FOTM players, but it is also a bot killing machine. You really don't get the overall perspective on any class till you get to a much higher level.
At high MMR on PC NA, you basically only have 5 or so magsorcs that are BG regulars and aren't just free kills. All the FOTM and noob sorcs are just free points and are just as useless as getting a NB on your team. On top of that, pretty much all the good players I've seen try out a magsorc have ended up doing just as well or worse than they would have on their main anyway. As for your point about magplars, they can definitely do just as well as sorcs and can easily have high scoring games. In fact, they tend to be stronger in games with more roll dodge spammers and tankier enemy teams since beam goes through roll dodge and hits way harder than fury.
No. That’s definitely not what I’m saying. I have thousands of hours of vet PVP. That’s the only place I play.
Did you know that when they crowned the first emperor in beta, I was in 2nd? No, of course you didn’t. You just made assumptions and didn’t read. Any leveling in Cyrodiil done by me would have been in Vivek, from 7 to 11 eastern (prime time) and highly likely as a solo player. I know exactly what I’m talking about.
Magsorcs have a ridiculously easy rotation in comparison to Magplars.
Sometimes people are making negative assumptions about you as an ad hominem attack to discredit your logical point.
Other times people are just making poignant observations about the lack of aptitude required to hold a certain point of view, or to base a point of view off of a limited data set.
This might be the latter.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Itzmichi✭✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »While everyone else was rolling new necromancers, I figured now would be as good a time as any to level an alt as well. Anyone who knows me knows that I’ve played a Magplar about 99% of the last few years, so despite me having (now) 9 characters, most of them were still essentially untouched level 3s.
So I decided that before I leveled my necromancer I should probably finish power leveling the Magsorc I started like 2 years back that had been sitting at level 37.
Here is what I learned as I got to level 44 by killing wasps and deckhands last night.
Nerf Magsorc.
No ... I kid, I kid. It’s fine but wow, you guys have it easy AF. The Magsorc meta rotation is ridiculously intuitive and easy to pull off. I knew what it would be from years of being bursted by a purple cloud as I’m rooted and getting smashed with a crystal at the same time. From the other side it looks like skill ... from the Magsorc side it’s like the least skill based thing I’ve ever done in this game.
Magsorc is just easier.
And while normally the reaction should probably be “just wait till you PVP” I had 300,000+ AP on the character from 2 years ago. Levels 10 to 37 where actually done in Cyrodiil.
In a nutshell I think my Magsorc - who has like 50 skill points total might wipe the floor with my Magplar that has 300 something. I feel like I just decided to take remedial math after a semester of advanced trigonometry.
#balance
Sooo... I kissed a sorc and I liked it? Good story.Here, have a chill pill 💊!4 -
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✭I usually recommend magplar and magsorc to new players for the same reason, that they are very newbie friendly and powerful.
You basically 1 bar a magplar and destroy everything, while you start on the buff bar then go to that destroy everything bar on magsorc as well.
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