Will the removal of CP system be the end of 1vX Cyrodil?
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What do you guys think? I feel CP is the biggest power gap in Cyrodil that allows 1vX to happen in the first place.
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DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Uhh you could 1vX before CP, you can 1vX in no-CP. Why would this change?Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »Uhh you could 1vX before CP, you can 1vX in no-CP. Why would this change?
This and I have not heard anything suggesting CP was being removed? Does OP have a link to their source or is this just a "sky is falling" thread that is unsubstantiated?8 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭1 vs X screams game imbalance to me and really shouldn't even be a thing.
Even with different player skill, one player should not be able to withstand the onslaught of 3 or more players of even close to equal skill. If they can, there is something seriously wrong.
That however, is only my personal opinion.
Edited by Bouldercleave on June 5, 2019 5:50PM19 -
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✭✭Except CP isn't going to be removed so...
They are going to "rework" CP, they have already announced that. Exactly how they do it, no one knows. It could mean CP as we know them remains, but maybe it's a CP squish, or how many CP we have gets changed, etc. But it could also mean a removal of the CP altogether, and a different system introduced in it's place much like how they replaced the Vet system with the CP system completely. Have they officially announced that they are NOT removing CP?
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DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »1 vs X screams game imbalance to me and really shouldn't even be a thing.
Even with different player skill, one player should not be able to withstand the onslaught of 3 or more players of even close to equal skill. If they can, there is something seriously wrong.
That however, is only my personal opinion.
Sorry but when those 3 or more players are absolutely bad, don't know how to use game mechanics properly and are outplayed, they 100% deserve to be 1vX'd.Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Except CP isn't going to be removed so...
They are going to "rework" CP, they have already announced that. Exactly how they do it, no one knows. It could mean CP as we know them remains, but maybe it's a CP squish, or how many CP we have gets changed, etc. But it could also mean a removal of the CP altogether, and a different system introduced in it's place much like how they replaced the Vet system with the CP system completely. Have they officially announced that they are NOT removing CP?
No - they announced that CP cap was going to stop at 810 while they looked into it.
Then as usual with ZoS - dead *** silence.....
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SkysOutThizeOut✭✭✭✭@Bouldercleave no it doesn’t scream “game imbalance.” What it might scream is a game offering higher skill caps. If you don’t believe it or don’t like it, I’d suspect you to be a player lacking in skill. Why play a more complex game without a high skill cap and competition? That’s my opinion.9 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭My skill level not withstanding (not sure why you felt the need for personal insults unless you are [snip] all the time ) if one class or build has the ability to survive against being seriously outnumbered by several other classes then yes there is something wrong.
[Edit for bait.]Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on June 5, 2019 7:49PM6 -
menschikov2✭✭✭It is Pretty clear that they are planing something to revamp the CP-System. They anounced it when they stopped giving us more CP and nor they will have to do something in the Closer future because many Players are unsatisfied when they have no Feeling of Progression with more usabele CP.
I would guess that we hear something how they want to Change this until October or so and then they will implement the new System with the Q4 Update 2019 or the Q1 Update 2020.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SkysOutThizeOut wrote: »@Bouldercleave no it doesn’t scream “game imbalance.” What it might scream is a game offering higher skill caps. If you don’t believe it or don’t like it, I’d suspect you to be a player lacking in skill. Why play a more complex game without a high skill cap and competition? That’s my opinion.
This. The skill difference between players is much more obvious in this game unlike WoW style games where you press a button every 2 seconds and have little active means to avoid and mitigate damage.2 -
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CP squish sounds plausible, probably with an re-balance it more for hard choices around cp800 and have other trees for QoL stuff like faster harvesting, treasure hunter, bonus xp gain, reduced agro from overland mobs.Goregrinder wrote: »
They are going to "rework" CP, they have already announced that. Exactly how they do it, no one knows. It could mean CP as we know them remains, but maybe it's a CP squish, or how many CP we have gets changed, etc. But it could also mean a removal of the CP altogether, and a different system introduced in it's place much like how they replaced the Vet system with the CP system completely. Have they officially announced that they are NOT removing CP?Except CP isn't going to be removed so...
As I understand max cp give around +30% dps and +30% migration I assume this is from either cp50 or cp160 with similar gear.
Now this makes cp way stronger in PvP since migration is so much more important there, I prefer non cp pvp as its more causal myself but that is also as all the good pvp players go cp.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭SkysOutThizeOut wrote: »@Bouldercleave no it doesn’t scream “game imbalance.” What it might scream is a game offering higher skill caps. If you don’t believe it or don’t like it, I’d suspect you to be a player lacking in skill. Why play a more complex game without a high skill cap and competition? That’s my opinion.
I'd have to agree. I'm still cutting my teeth in PvP, so I'm no expert, but just the goal of theory crafting and perfecting my skills to withstand and have a chance when I'm jumped keeps me interested. I've no interest in joining a zerg or just give up. Small group combat? Fine. But elder zerg online doesn't interest me.1 -
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✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Except CP isn't going to be removed so...
They are going to "rework" CP, they have already announced that. Exactly how they do it, no one knows. It could mean CP as we know them remains, but maybe it's a CP squish, or how many CP we have gets changed, etc. But it could also mean a removal of the CP altogether, and a different system introduced in it's place much like how they replaced the Vet system with the CP system completely. Have they officially announced that they are NOT removing CP?
"Rework" Inherently means that the thing in question will continue to exist, though potentially in a different form. Nobody ever said "We're going to rework this" then threw it in the trash. ZoS aren't idiots, they know that if they removed the CP system (and wasted 1000's of hours of grinding for many people) they would have a mass exodus of long term players pissed that their time isn't being respected. The end game has also been balanced around the current power granted by CP, which means any reworking that they do will have to still leave people near that same power level (people do not like feeling weakened).0 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Except CP isn't going to be removed so...
They are going to "rework" CP, they have already announced that. Exactly how they do it, no one knows. It could mean CP as we know them remains, but maybe it's a CP squish, or how many CP we have gets changed, etc. But it could also mean a removal of the CP altogether, and a different system introduced in it's place much like how they replaced the Vet system with the CP system completely. Have they officially announced that they are NOT removing CP?
No - they announced that CP cap was going to stop at 810 while they looked into it.
Then as usual with ZoS - dead *** silence.....
They stated on stream that they intend to rework the CP system. They literally stated that.0 -
Crixus8000✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bouldercleave wrote: »1 vs X screams game imbalance to me and really shouldn't even be a thing.
Even with different player skill, one player should not be able to withstand the onslaught of 3 or more players of even close to equal skill. If they can, there is something seriously wrong.
That however, is only my personal opinion.
Sorry I understand different opinions but this is just wrong. If 3 players with no impen, stand their with no buffs on just spamming light attacks, using 0 defensive skills or moves then they should in no way ever kill a player who has practiced for a long time and made a strong build. This is just an example of course but even this happens often.
Edited by Crixus8000 on June 5, 2019 6:16PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Except CP isn't going to be removed so...
They are going to "rework" CP, they have already announced that. Exactly how they do it, no one knows. It could mean CP as we know them remains, but maybe it's a CP squish, or how many CP we have gets changed, etc. But it could also mean a removal of the CP altogether, and a different system introduced in it's place much like how they replaced the Vet system with the CP system completely. Have they officially announced that they are NOT removing CP?
No - they announced that CP cap was going to stop at 810 while they looked into it.
Then as usual with ZoS - dead *** silence.....
They stated on stream that they intend to rework the CP system. They literally stated that.
This. And that they froze CP at 810 while they review it.
The one thing we can be assured of is we will still have something there once this is all said and done. It will be tweaked a bit and maybe get a new name but we can be pretty sure it will not be removed completely.0 -
SkysOutThizeOut✭✭✭✭@Bouldercleave I found it suitable to mention your skill in pvp because if you were skilled enough to get some 1vXs then I think you’d be a person that found a thrill in the challenge, just as @Lumenn has. Because not wearing 5 of one set, because going all tank, all damage, random skills should not reward you for mindlessly pressing buttons. If you want to learn how to play on pc na, I’ll gladly teach you or anyone who asks, but just because I suspect you to be a bad player doesn’t make me a “[snip],” or a [snip]. Me putting you down would. I recently taught someone that I could kill using only light attacks how to play and now they can beat me 1 of 10 duels with me going full try hard and that took them 2 weeks to get there of casual gameplay and the build I prescribed
[Edit for bait.]Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on June 5, 2019 7:51PM3 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Except CP isn't going to be removed so...
They are going to "rework" CP, they have already announced that. Exactly how they do it, no one knows. It could mean CP as we know them remains, but maybe it's a CP squish, or how many CP we have gets changed, etc. But it could also mean a removal of the CP altogether, and a different system introduced in it's place much like how they replaced the Vet system with the CP system completely. Have they officially announced that they are NOT removing CP?
"Rework" Inherently means that the thing in question will continue to exist, though potentially in a different form. Nobody ever said "We're going to rework this" then threw it in the trash. ZoS aren't idiots, they know that if they removed the CP system (and wasted 1000's of hours of grinding for many people) they would have a mass exodus of long term players pissed that their time isn't being respected. The end game has also been balanced around the current power granted by CP, which means any reworking that they do will have to still leave people near that same power level (people do not like feeling weakened).
ZOS literally threw the Vet system in the trash, then modified the CP system to replace it completely.2 -
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✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Except CP isn't going to be removed so...
They are going to "rework" CP, they have already announced that. Exactly how they do it, no one knows. It could mean CP as we know them remains, but maybe it's a CP squish, or how many CP we have gets changed, etc. But it could also mean a removal of the CP altogether, and a different system introduced in it's place much like how they replaced the Vet system with the CP system completely. Have they officially announced that they are NOT removing CP?Goregrinder wrote: »
They are going to "rework" CP, they have already announced that. Exactly how they do it, no one knows. It could mean CP as we know them remains, but maybe it's a CP squish, or how many CP we have gets changed, etc. But it could also mean a removal of the CP altogether, and a different system introduced in it's place much like how they replaced the Vet system with the CP system completely. Have they officially announced that they are NOT removing CP?Except CP isn't going to be removed so...
They never announced they’re removing or adjusting. They said they’re looking into it. Also squishing cp or weakening players is a horrible idea and will lead to a lot of people leaving.
CP squish sounds plausible, probably with an re-balance it more for hard choices around cp800 and have other trees for QoL stuff like faster harvesting, treasure hunter, bonus xp gain, reduced agro from overland mobs.
As I understand max cp give around +30% dps and +30% migration I assume this is from either cp50 or cp160 with similar gear.
Now this makes cp way stronger in PvP since migration is so much more important there, I prefer non cp pvp as its more causal myself but that is also as all the good pvp players go cp.
Making cp benefit useless nonsense like harvesting or crafting is the dumbest thing ever thought of, what a way to absolutely shaft player progression. As if crafting or harvesting is any useful in pve or pvp situations such as trials or cyrodiil.
Cp doesn’t give 30% mitigation, you have to put points into X to even get such a number. Also the max mitigation you can get is 15% from physical and magical attacks and 25% from direct&damage over time. There is no 30% mitigation. Not even close because nobody puts all their points into those trees.Edited by frostz417 on June 5, 2019 6:34PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Except CP isn't going to be removed so...
They are going to "rework" CP, they have already announced that. Exactly how they do it, no one knows. It could mean CP as we know them remains, but maybe it's a CP squish, or how many CP we have gets changed, etc. But it could also mean a removal of the CP altogether, and a different system introduced in it's place much like how they replaced the Vet system with the CP system completely. Have they officially announced that they are NOT removing CP?
"Rework" Inherently means that the thing in question will continue to exist, though potentially in a different form. Nobody ever said "We're going to rework this" then threw it in the trash. ZoS aren't idiots, they know that if they removed the CP system (and wasted 1000's of hours of grinding for many people) they would have a mass exodus of long term players pissed that their time isn't being respected. The end game has also been balanced around the current power granted by CP, which means any reworking that they do will have to still leave people near that same power level (people do not like feeling weakened).
ZOS literally threw the Vet system in the trash, then modified the CP system to replace it completely.
Zos created the CP system to replace the vet system. They specifically said that before CP was added to the game. During the process of adding CP to the game 4 years ago Zos also said they were unsure how they would go about removing the vet ranks and it took them 2 years to figure that out.
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SupremeRissole✭✭✭✭Crixus8000 wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »1 vs X screams game imbalance to me and really shouldn't even be a thing.
Even with different player skill, one player should not be able to withstand the onslaught of 3 or more players of even close to equal skill. If they can, there is something seriously wrong.
That however, is only my personal opinion.
Sorry I understand different opinions but this is just wrong. If 3 players with no impen, stand their with no buffs on just spamming light attacks, using 0 defensive skills or moves then they should in no way ever kill a player who has practiced for a long time and made a strong build. This is just an example of course but even this happens often.
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good players dont get X'd. Most 1vX's are a matter of a player playing defensively whilst kiting/separating players/LoS etc meanwhile old matey is too focused on offense he's let his defensive buffs run out and thats when they cop the Dawny to the face. Its not so much a matter of builds or classes being unbalanced you can X on any class its more of a skilled strategic player outwitting and utilising their knowledge of the game to win outnumbered. To me thats the most exciting thing you can do in ESO and that possibility should never be removed. Not all of us want to play elder zergs and see who lags out first.4 -
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✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Except CP isn't going to be removed so...
They are going to "rework" CP, they have already announced that. Exactly how they do it, no one knows. It could mean CP as we know them remains, but maybe it's a CP squish, or how many CP we have gets changed, etc. But it could also mean a removal of the CP altogether, and a different system introduced in it's place much like how they replaced the Vet system with the CP system completely. Have they officially announced that they are NOT removing CP?
"Rework" Inherently means that the thing in question will continue to exist, though potentially in a different form. Nobody ever said "We're going to rework this" then threw it in the trash. ZoS aren't idiots, they know that if they removed the CP system (and wasted 1000's of hours of grinding for many people) they would have a mass exodus of long term players pissed that their time isn't being respected. The end game has also been balanced around the current power granted by CP, which means any reworking that they do will have to still leave people near that same power level (people do not like feeling weakened).
ZOS literally threw the Vet system in the trash, then modified the CP system to replace it completely.
The vet "System" wasn't a system, it was just continued ranking for gear after lvl 50, the CP system still fulfills that exact purpose (VR 16 became CP 160). The CP system still retains everything that was present with Vet ranks.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Crixus8000 wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »1 vs X screams game imbalance to me and really shouldn't even be a thing.
Even with different player skill, one player should not be able to withstand the onslaught of 3 or more players of even close to equal skill. If they can, there is something seriously wrong.
That however, is only my personal opinion.
Sorry I understand different opinions but this is just wrong. If 3 players with no impen, stand their with no buffs on just spamming light attacks, using 0 defensive skills or moves then they should in no way ever kill a player who has practiced for a long time and made a strong build. This is just an example of course but even this happens often.
But is this "skill" or noob farming?2 -
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✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Except CP isn't going to be removed so...
They are going to "rework" CP, they have already announced that. Exactly how they do it, no one knows. It could mean CP as we know them remains, but maybe it's a CP squish, or how many CP we have gets changed, etc. But it could also mean a removal of the CP altogether, and a different system introduced in it's place much like how they replaced the Vet system with the CP system completely. Have they officially announced that they are NOT removing CP?
No - they announced that CP cap was going to stop at 810 while they looked into it.
Then as usual with ZoS - dead *** silence.....
They stated on stream that they intend to rework the CP system. They literally stated that.
They also "Intended" for all downloadable content to be free to ESO+ members but .... uh... Chapters.... so.... what's your point?
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✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Crixus8000 wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »1 vs X screams game imbalance to me and really shouldn't even be a thing.
Even with different player skill, one player should not be able to withstand the onslaught of 3 or more players of even close to equal skill. If they can, there is something seriously wrong.
That however, is only my personal opinion.
Sorry I understand different opinions but this is just wrong. If 3 players with no impen, stand their with no buffs on just spamming light attacks, using 0 defensive skills or moves then they should in no way ever kill a player who has practiced for a long time and made a strong build. This is just an example of course but even this happens often.
But is this "skill" or noob farming?
EXACTLY - Everyone seems to ignore the part of my post where I mentioned equally skilled players. I should have known better than to comment on a PvP thread. The elitism is staggering.6 -
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✭TequilaFire wrote: »
But is this "skill" or noob farming?
It's pretty much impossible to 1vx good or even decent players, so I guess all 1vx could be considered noob farming to some. But when enough people get together it definietely takes a lot of skill to beat them.
Keeping buffs and heals up, knowing exatly when to back off and when to go offensive, who to target first ect. Where the opposite side usually just goes fully offensive spamming all the cc and skills they can while ignoring survivability, they get overconfident in numbers and they make mistakes, and that's why it's possible to 1vx, I don't see anything wrong with a good player beating multiple players or lesser skill. It's how it should be imo.Bouldercleave wrote: »
EXACTLY - Everyone seems to ignore the part of my post where I mentioned equally skilled players. I should have known better than to comment on a PvP thread. The elitism is staggering.
Well like I said, you can't 1vx players of equal skill so it's balanced, or you can but it would be very rare and require either luck or them making a huge mistake.
Edited by Crixus8000 on June 5, 2019 7:11PM1 -
SkysOutThizeOut✭✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »1 vs X screams game imbalance to me and really shouldn't even be a thing.
Even with different player skill, one player should not be able to withstand the onslaught of 3 or more players of even close to equal skill. If they can, there is something seriously wrong.
That however, is only my personal opinion.
That’s what you said^. And guess what if they were equal or close to equal skill they could t. Oh and being a tank or a speed kiter doesn’t qualify as 1vXing, until the players allow themselves to be baited momentarily into spending all resources and getting punished for it.
But otherwise no, players of equal skill against 1, always win, unless they let their “skill” lapse. Oh, and you totally ignored my other post after calling me a [snip].
[Edit for bait.]
Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on June 5, 2019 7:50PM1
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