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US Anti Loot Box Bill
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Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »Under this rule, can you think of any videogame that does not meet this criteria?
Proving constructive knowledge would require the game product to maintain binding demographic information in the user profile or account. I'm sure if I go through the Apple or Google store I can find mobile games that do collect that information and do engage in the practices prohibited in the bill's language.
The way I read it, the bill's initial goal is going after the worst of the worst. The type of easily-downloaded products that are colorful and kid-friendly but might also be involved, directly or indirectly, with other crimes like money laundering and data/identity theft. So a useful first step, coupled with the commissioned study which may or may not lead to another bill proposal in the future. But probably like this bill proposal, seeking to regulate games that knowingly track and target the activities and purchases of children.signing off3 -
Aeslief✭✭✭✭✭If ESO is determined to be a 'minor-oriented game', then crown crates would be affected by the bill. Pay-to-win and loot boxes are covered separately by the bill. Under the definition section, crown crates don't meet the definition of pay-to-win but they absolutely meet the definition of loot box. The only question is whether or not you could legally argue that ESO is a minor-oriented game. Whatever the publishers intend, if it can be demonstrated that the game has a large minor audience, then you could.0 -
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✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »
That seems pretty shady to me.
Crown Crates contain a gambling aspect to them. It isn't just 100% cosmetics only too since they add pay2win mechanics that buff your character or make it easier to level. Hopefully the laws are better written in america cause it seems the Belgium government was incompetent. They acknowledged an issue, were one of the first to do something about it... but clearly wrote an inefficient law that was easy to ignore or find a loophole for.
Your reaction is to call an entire government incompetent? You must be very naive if you think consumer protection in the US is going to be better when some people here use "socialist" as a derogatory term.
So many people are under the delusion this politician is the "Champion" of their cause...and he's OK with that because he gets your support. He is picking an issue both side of the aisle will get behind with "Think of the children" to get notoriety. Helping people is a by-product of a politician advancing their career; if helping a good cause stands in the way of advancing their career, they almost always pick their career over altruism. This is your "Champion".
The Belgians legislators aren't any more incompetent than the US ones lol.
@aresula Tell me the difference between winning prizes at the carnival and crown crates.
It is a derogatory term, as it should be... but to the point...
All that will change is... nothing really. Banning lootbox sales to children... its basically already impossible to sell to children unless the parents pay. And really, that wont change with a law. Look at Mrated games, liquor, and Juuls0 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »Under this rule, can you think of any videogame that does not meet this criteria?
Proving constructive knowledge would require the game product to maintain binding demographic information in the user profile or account. I'm sure if I go through the Apple or Google store I can find mobile games that do collect that information and do engage in the practices prohibited in the bill's language.
The way I read it, the bill's initial goal is going after the worst of the worst. The type of easily-downloaded products that are colorful and kid-friendly but might also be involved, directly or indirectly, with other crimes like money laundering and data/identity theft. So a useful first step, coupled with the commissioned study which may or may not lead to another bill proposal in the future. But probably like this bill proposal, seeking to regulate games that knowingly track and target the activities and purchases of children.
This is all cool and all, but to my question?0 -
Wolfpaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Zenimax Media is a billion dollar company with some big players on the board of directors, even the potus family getting crown crate pay.
Crown crates are going nowhere.
https://www.zenimax.com/aboutEdited by Wolfpaw on June 2, 2019 7:50AM2 -
Reistr_the_Unbroken✭✭✭✭✭
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I can honestly say I wouldn’t care, not my kids, and the games 18+ anyways so kids shouldn’t be allowed to play it.
That's the thing it's too much fun to preach and debate it here because it's the right thing to say.
But do you really care? Do you really?
I'm not buying it...
And as my mom’s friend said “Not my circus, not my monkeys”
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Zacuel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
I can honestly say I wouldn’t care, not my kids, and the games 18+ anyways so kids shouldn’t be allowed to play it.
That's the thing it's too much fun to preach and debate it here because it's the right thing to say.
But do you really care? Do you really?
I'm not buying it...
And as my mom’s friend said “Not my circus, not my monkeys”
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Hallothiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I know this is about US legislation but what is the fuss about the game being 18+ ?
In the UK it is marketed as 18+ without any problems - why is it such an issue?
And also agree with other posts about responsibility. I didnt let my children get loot boxes etc but allowed them to play games if they behaved. You can say no.Edited by Hallothiel on June 3, 2019 4:46PM1 -
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The game is rated M, the ESO website is age-gated I have no doubt the company can demonstrate that the overwhelming majority of their players are in an older demographic. I have no doubt that the Zenimax legal team could fight off any attempt to construe ESO as being "minor-oriented".If ESO is determined to be a 'minor-oriented game', then crown crates would be affected by the bill....Whatever the publishers intend, if it can be demonstrated that the game has a large minor audience, then you could.Lethal zergling0