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Massive dps disparity
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LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
Are you using Soul Harvest? Like I see Shooting Star in your CMX but I'm not sure why. Should be a Destro Ulti off the rip and then Soul Harvest after that.
Your LA weaving is also lacking. Notice that Liko hit 93 LAs in a 96.6 second parse (.96 LA rate). You hit 100 LAs in a 150 second parse (.66 LA rate).
Why lie when we all know that isn't true?WrathOfInnos wrote: »The 200 CP isn’t a big deal, and will affect your DPS by less than 10%.
Why do you think this is a lie? The last 200 CP isn't worth that much. 66 Blue CP is 2-3% damage spread around a few different areas ... say 3% more Direct Damage, 2% more DoT damage, 2% more Elemental Damage, 2% more Critical Damage, etc.0 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »^ you are right about bow proc and I don't deny that I can't have 0.9 LA per second. 0.7 is like my best results when both I and my PC/connection/server is in good mood. But you can't compare dot uptimes, since I had 6 dots in my rotation and also was keeping eledrain by myself. So with merciless resolve and siphoning strikes it's 9 timers to handle
Question was why Lico's blockade and impale are so much powerful - answer found - it's minor berserk+minor sorcery+soul harvest +burning( for blockade)
Liko absolutely uses a standard set of buffs when he parses. He is always very transparent about that. It allows for a much better comparison between classes. That said, even without these buffs, a mabeblade can get into the 50's, totally self buffed, running their own drain. Focus on that if you want to, but the above metrics are far more telling of the real issue.
Also, definitely confused your parse with the OP. haha.
Edit: Why are you running Lotus Fan? I am also not sure what corrosive flurry or slash are. If you want to compare to Liko, run his setup (or close to it). A self buffed NB should have 7 timers to manage: Siphoning, Cripple, Path, Blockade, Trap, Ele drain, and Merciless. Perhaps, you are biting off more than you can chew. Less is more.
@Oreyn_Bearclaw
I'm running Lotus Fan because they ripped us off minor berserk. Not every fight we are standing in stack and not every target is made vulnerable by healer so it really helps. Of course if fight requires to be only at range, I'm replacing Fan with inner light. But in melee it gives dps higher then twisting path for example and also better positioning and this is third AOE so together with spammable shooting star aoe damage on trash fights is huge. Shooting star looks like balanced alternative which I run as default ulti, though if we time ultimates for mechanics I'm switching it to elemental rage. About using incap on cooldown out of the execute range, i'm not sure if this is optimal.
Corrusive flurry is Dark shade which is new meta. I.e. magblades use it instead of inner light and stamblades instead of vigor.
About parse, yep as guy above mentioned a lot of light attacks misfire (obviously I press LA before ability always), so maybe better timings will move me to 45k.0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »^ you are right about bow proc and I don't deny that I can't have 0.9 LA per second. 0.7 is like my best results when both I and my PC/connection/server is in good mood. But you can't compare dot uptimes, since I had 6 dots in my rotation and also was keeping eledrain by myself. So with merciless resolve and siphoning strikes it's 9 timers to handle
Question was why Lico's blockade and impale are so much powerful - answer found - it's minor berserk+minor sorcery+soul harvest +burning( for blockade)
Liko absolutely uses a standard set of buffs when he parses. He is always very transparent about that. It allows for a much better comparison between classes. That said, even without these buffs, a mabeblade can get into the 50's, totally self buffed, running their own drain. Focus on that if you want to, but the above metrics are far more telling of the real issue.
Also, definitely confused your parse with the OP. haha.
Edit: Why are you running Lotus Fan? I am also not sure what corrosive flurry or slash are. If you want to compare to Liko, run his setup (or close to it). A self buffed NB should have 7 timers to manage: Siphoning, Cripple, Path, Blockade, Trap, Ele drain, and Merciless. Perhaps, you are biting off more than you can chew. Less is more.
@Oreyn_Bearclaw
I'm running Lotus Fan because they ripped us off minor berserk. Not every fight we are standing in stack and not every target is made vulnerable by healer so it really helps. Of course if fight requires to be only at range, I'm replacing Fan with inner light. But in melee it gives dps higher then twisting path for example and also better positioning and this is third AOE so together with spammable shooting star aoe damage on trash fights is huge. Shooting star looks like balanced alternative which I run as default ulti, though if we time ultimates for mechanics I'm switching it to elemental rage. About using incap on cooldown out of the execute range, i'm not sure if this is optimal.
Corrusive flurry is Dark shade which is new meta. I.e. magblades use it instead of inner light and stamblades instead of vigor.
About parse, yep as guy above mentioned a lot of light attacks misfire (obviously I press LA before ability always), so maybe better timings will move me to 45k.
Ah. Shades. I have admittedly not touched my mageblade this patch. Haha. Pretty sure I will be playing mSorc and sNecro. I am frankly not sure the difficulty of a NB rotation is justified any longer. Kind of a shame really. I have no issues whatsoever with the hardest rotation pulling the most range.
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MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »^ you are right about bow proc and I don't deny that I can't have 0.9 LA per second. 0.7 is like my best results when both I and my PC/connection/server is in good mood. But you can't compare dot uptimes, since I had 6 dots in my rotation and also was keeping eledrain by myself. So with merciless resolve and siphoning strikes it's 9 timers to handle
Question was why Lico's blockade and impale are so much powerful - answer found - it's minor berserk+minor sorcery+soul harvest +burning( for blockade)
Liko absolutely uses a standard set of buffs when he parses. He is always very transparent about that. It allows for a much better comparison between classes. That said, even without these buffs, a mabeblade can get into the 50's, totally self buffed, running their own drain. Focus on that if you want to, but the above metrics are far more telling of the real issue.
Also, definitely confused your parse with the OP. haha.
Edit: Why are you running Lotus Fan? I am also not sure what corrosive flurry or slash are. If you want to compare to Liko, run his setup (or close to it). A self buffed NB should have 7 timers to manage: Siphoning, Cripple, Path, Blockade, Trap, Ele drain, and Merciless. Perhaps, you are biting off more than you can chew. Less is more.
@Oreyn_Bearclaw
I'm running Lotus Fan because they ripped us off minor berserk. Not every fight we are standing in stack and not every target is made vulnerable by healer so it really helps. Of course if fight requires to be only at range, I'm replacing Fan with inner light. But in melee it gives dps higher then twisting path for example and also better positioning and this is third AOE so together with spammable shooting star aoe damage on trash fights is huge. Shooting star looks like balanced alternative which I run as default ulti, though if we time ultimates for mechanics I'm switching it to elemental rage. About using incap on cooldown out of the execute range, i'm not sure if this is optimal.
Corrusive flurry is Dark shade which is new meta. I.e. magblades use it instead of inner light and stamblades instead of vigor.
About parse, yep as guy above mentioned a lot of light attacks misfire (obviously I press LA before ability always), so maybe better timings will move me to 45k.
Ah. Shades. I have admittedly not touched my mageblade this patch. Haha. Pretty sure I will be playing mSorc and sNecro. I am frankly not sure the difficulty of a NB rotation is justified any longer. Kind of a shame really. I have no issues whatsoever with the hardest rotation pulling the most range.
Yep, there is whole bag of crutches for magblade to be viable this patch:
1) incap with reave (+100 stamina and magicka on light attack) instead of soul harvest
2) dark shade instead of slottable so rotation is more difficult
3) trap instead of channeled acceleration since we have more stamina recovery from reave. trap actually adds +500 dps by itself
4) lower number of magblades in trials for more time to impale
5) Lotus fan (my own invention, nobody uses it, but my trial dps is notably higher with it and it is useful to the group since I apply minor vulnerability on elite adds with it)1 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As was said before, a lot of it is buffs. One of our guild members was kind enought to purchase one of the new trial/buff dummies for our guild hall. I did a 21M parse on it with my Bow/Bow warden the day we got it.
Self-buffed, previously, I was hitting 32K DPS. On the buff dummy, it hit 50K numerous times. Those buffs make a HUGE difference in sustain and damage output.
I tried one of those buff dummies too.
I had a 20k difference between that and the 6 M dummy.Beta tester November 20130 -
Solosus66✭✭As was said before, a lot of it is buffs. One of our guild members was kind enought to purchase one of the new trial/buff dummies for our guild hall. I did a 21M parse on it with my Bow/Bow warden the day we got it.
Self-buffed, previously, I was hitting 32K DPS. On the buff dummy, it hit 50K numerous times. Those buffs make a HUGE difference in sustain and damage output.
I tried one of those buff dummies too.
I had a 20k difference between that and the 6 M dummy.
That's just insane, let get this right, so a buff dummy provides all buffs, so would it be fair to say that it equalises the parses between the ones buffed by third parties compared to the self buffed ones?0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I might have missed it on the first page but has OP provided a CM screen shot of their dps?0 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Never expect to do more than 45k on your own (maybe a bit more or less).
If you are doing things right and have Elemental drain on your target you should be getting somewhere between 40k-45k
No offense but 25k-30k is drastically under preforming so you're doing something wrong. However I say you are DOING something wrong as your character build looks fine.Flawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info1 -
Kingslayer513✭✭✭✭✭
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Why lie when we all know that isn't true?WrathOfInnos wrote: »The 200 CP isn’t a big deal, and will affect your DPS by less than 10%.
There was someone in my guild doing nearly 50k dps on dummy with ~400CP, it happens when you have competitive players transfer to ESO from other games.1 -
Kingslayer513✭✭✭✭✭
✭As was said before, a lot of it is buffs. One of our guild members was kind enought to purchase one of the new trial/buff dummies for our guild hall. I did a 21M parse on it with my Bow/Bow warden the day we got it.
Self-buffed, previously, I was hitting 32K DPS. On the buff dummy, it hit 50K numerous times. Those buffs make a HUGE difference in sustain and damage output.
I tried one of those buff dummies too.
I had a 20k difference between that and the 6 M dummy.
That's just insane, let get this right, so a buff dummy provides all buffs, so would it be fair to say that it equalises the parses between the ones buffed by third parties compared to the self buffed ones?
Well, the new dummy provides all relevant buffs you would see in a perfectly optimized raid group and even some that are not possible like 100% major force uptime. The point being to equalize as many parameters as possible between tests on each class. But it goes way beyond the capabilities of being buffed from a 3rd party. My dps went from ~60k on 6mil dummy to 90k on the new dummy.1 -
Solosus66✭✭Kingslayer513 wrote: »As was said before, a lot of it is buffs. One of our guild members was kind enought to purchase one of the new trial/buff dummies for our guild hall. I did a 21M parse on it with my Bow/Bow warden the day we got it.
Self-buffed, previously, I was hitting 32K DPS. On the buff dummy, it hit 50K numerous times. Those buffs make a HUGE difference in sustain and damage output.
I tried one of those buff dummies too.
I had a 20k difference between that and the 6 M dummy.
That's just insane, let get this right, so a buff dummy provides all buffs, so would it be fair to say that it equalises the parses between the ones buffed by third parties compared to the self buffed ones?
Well, the new dummy provides all relevant buffs you would see in a perfectly optimized raid group and even some that are not possible like 100% major force uptime. The point being to equalize as many parameters as possible between tests on each class. But it goes way beyond the capabilities of being buffed from a 3rd party. My dps went from ~60k on 6mil dummy to 90k on the new dummy.
I'm speechless, 90k? Stamblade? That's insane0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As was said before, a lot of it is buffs. One of our guild members was kind enought to purchase one of the new trial/buff dummies for our guild hall. I did a 21M parse on it with my Bow/Bow warden the day we got it.
Self-buffed, previously, I was hitting 32K DPS. On the buff dummy, it hit 50K numerous times. Those buffs make a HUGE difference in sustain and damage output.
I tried one of those buff dummies too.
I had a 20k difference between that and the 6 M dummy.
I went from 55k on a 6 mil self buffed on my mSorc to just under 85k on the raid dummy. And I only did like 3 parses on one, all with some screw ups. Definitely a bit more room there.
The numbers seem huge because some of the buff uptimes just aren’t realistic. That said, these are the best thing to hit the game for a long time.
All the buffs are standardized, you don’t need a poor healer to stand there bored out of his/her mind, you can objectively compare parses, and there is enough health where sustain matters and you can’t really cheese it.
If anyone is on PC/NA, hit me up if you need one. Always a party at Bears house.
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FearlessOne_2014✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is a simple learn to multi macro issue. Once you get the macroing timers right through your mouse and or keyboard, you will also pull 60k or more.
The other option is to expect to do less dps than macro users. I personally will not confirm or deny my performance increasing over night, because of my macro programming skills. My performance increase because I can do perfect rotations under most instances.
@Solosus66 Take that how you want to. But this is a simply get gud by what ever means are available to you issue! Does the ends justify the means for you? That is a question you must ask yourself in this day and age. Where everything is going automatic to include video gaming performance.2 -
Solosus66✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »This is a simple learn to multi macro issue. Once you get the macroing timers right through your mouse and or keyboard, you will also pull 60k or more.
The other option is to expect to do less dps than macro users. I personally will not confirm or deny my performance increasing over night, because of my macro programming skills. My performance increase because I can do perfect rotations under most instances.
@Solosus66 Take that how you want to. But this is a simply get gud by what ever means are available to you issue! Does the ends justify the means for you? That is a question you must ask yourself in this day and age. Where everything is going automatic to include video gaming performance.
Thank you for your information, it certainly makes one think.1 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭deadlock007 wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person displays a parse that shows almost 1 light attack per second (93 light attacks in 96 seconds in the screen shot) that they in fact have their light attack macro'd onto their skills. Which gives substantially more DPS and makes parsing overall easier with more resources and procs and less thinking. There are areas you can improve but you shouldn't compare yourself to these people. They are usually the ones face down in the dirt in an actual raid because they spend all their time in front of a stationary target. Get up to 40-45k, know how to stay alive, learn mechanics and you will be doing great.
DUMBFearlessOne_2014 wrote: »This is a simple learn to multi macro issue. Once you get the macroing timers right through your mouse and or keyboard, you will also pull 60k or more.
The other option is to expect to do less dps than macro users. I personally will not confirm or deny my performance increasing over night, because of my macro programming skills. My performance increase because I can do perfect rotations under most instances.
@Solosus66 Take that how you want to. But this is a simply get gud by what ever means are available to you issue! Does the ends justify the means for you? That is a question you must ask yourself in this day and age. Where everything is going automatic to include video gaming performance.
and DUMBER
I bet you guys both report someone for macroing every time you die in PvP as well. Liko is arguably the best Player in this game. If you actually watch his parses or one of his many world record scores on YouTube, it’s pretty obvious that macros aren’t doing that. He is just better than you. He is better than most of us.
Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on May 31, 2019 4:04PM3 -
carlos424✭✭✭✭✭deadlock007 wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person displays a parse that shows almost 1 light attack per second (93 light attacks in 96 seconds in the screen shot) that they in fact have their light attack macro'd onto their skills. Which gives substantially more DPS and makes parsing overall easier with more resources and procs and less thinking. There are areas you can improve but you shouldn't compare yourself to these people. They are usually the ones face down in the dirt in an actual raid because they spend all their time in front of a stationary target. Get up to 40-45k, know how to stay alive, learn mechanics and you will be doing great.
I think its funny how people always run down others with high dummy parses, saying they are usually floor mats. While this might be the case sometimes, in my experience, people that take the time to perfect a rotation are usually pretty good.1 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭deadlock007 wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person displays a parse that shows almost 1 light attack per second (93 light attacks in 96 seconds in the screen shot) that they in fact have their light attack macro'd onto their skills. Which gives substantially more DPS and makes parsing overall easier with more resources and procs and less thinking. There are areas you can improve but you shouldn't compare yourself to these people. They are usually the ones face down in the dirt in an actual raid because they spend all their time in front of a stationary target. Get up to 40-45k, know how to stay alive, learn mechanics and you will be doing great.
I think its funny how people always run down others with high dummy parses, saying they are usually floor mats. While this might be the case sometimes, in my experience, people that take the time to perfect a rotation are usually pretty good.
It's just a way for people to feel better about themselves.
It's obviously ridiculous because most of the highest parses floating around also come from players who have the top leaderboard scores, and all the no-death achievements, etc.1 -
Kingslayer513✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kingslayer513 wrote: »As was said before, a lot of it is buffs. One of our guild members was kind enought to purchase one of the new trial/buff dummies for our guild hall. I did a 21M parse on it with my Bow/Bow warden the day we got it.
Self-buffed, previously, I was hitting 32K DPS. On the buff dummy, it hit 50K numerous times. Those buffs make a HUGE difference in sustain and damage output.
I tried one of those buff dummies too.
I had a 20k difference between that and the 6 M dummy.
That's just insane, let get this right, so a buff dummy provides all buffs, so would it be fair to say that it equalises the parses between the ones buffed by third parties compared to the self buffed ones?
Well, the new dummy provides all relevant buffs you would see in a perfectly optimized raid group and even some that are not possible like 100% major force uptime. The point being to equalize as many parameters as possible between tests on each class. But it goes way beyond the capabilities of being buffed from a 3rd party. My dps went from ~60k on 6mil dummy to 90k on the new dummy.
I'm speechless, 90k? Stamblade? That's insane
Nope, 2 pet Sorc. That 90k was on Breton btw. I switched to high elf and pulled 92k, just barely behind the 93k that Liko does on the same build.FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »This is a simple learn to multi macro issue. Once you get the macroing timers right through your mouse and or keyboard, you will also pull 60k or more.
The other option is to expect to do less dps than macro users. I personally will not confirm or deny my performance increasing over night, because of my macro programming skills. My performance increase because I can do perfect rotations under most instances.
@Solosus66 Take that how you want to. But this is a simply get gud by what ever means are available to you issue! Does the ends justify the means for you? That is a question you must ask yourself in this day and age. Where everything is going automatic to include video gaming performance.
Thank you for your information, it certainly makes one think.
Don't thank him, that is the most garbage fake news response anyone could have given you.
You don't need macros to do BiS dps.3 -
deadlock007✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person displays a parse that shows almost 1 light attack per second (93 light attacks in 96 seconds in the screen shot) that they in fact have their light attack macro'd onto their skills. Which gives substantially more DPS and makes parsing overall easier with more resources and procs and less thinking. There are areas you can improve but you shouldn't compare yourself to these people. They are usually the ones face down in the dirt in an actual raid because they spend all their time in front of a stationary target. Get up to 40-45k, know how to stay alive, learn mechanics and you will be doing great.
I think its funny how people always run down others with high dummy parses, saying they are usually floor mats. While this might be the case sometimes, in my experience, people that take the time to perfect a rotation are usually pretty good.
It's just a way for people to feel better about themselves.
It's obviously ridiculous because most of the highest parses floating around also come from players who have the top leaderboard scores, and all the no-death achievements, etc.
O my, I think y'all missed my point. Regardless of that; I was only stating my experience and it was not to feel better about myself. I can assure you that there is not a pronounceable number in any language for the amount of F***s I don't give about what anyone in the game or on this forum thinks (aside from maybe 3 people).
I have no idea who this player is, nor do I care, and my comments were not directed at them but were directed at the overwhelming amount of players who use a light attack macro and the large amount of those players who cannot stay alive in a trial because they only focus on DPS and cheat to get it.1 -
jypcy✭✭✭✭✭deadlock007 wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person displays a parse that shows almost 1 light attack per second (93 light attacks in 96 seconds in the screen shot) that they in fact have their light attack macro'd onto their skills. Which gives substantially more DPS and makes parsing overall easier with more resources and procs and less thinking. There are areas you can improve but you shouldn't compare yourself to these people. They are usually the ones face down in the dirt in an actual raid because they spend all their time in front of a stationary target. Get up to 40-45k, know how to stay alive, learn mechanics and you will be doing great.
I think its funny how people always run down others with high dummy parses, saying they are usually floor mats. While this might be the case sometimes, in my experience, people that take the time to perfect a rotation are usually pretty good.
It's just a way for people to feel better about themselves.
It's obviously ridiculous because most of the highest parses floating around also come from players who have the top leaderboard scores, and all the no-death achievements, etc.
O my, I think y'all missed my point. Regardless of that; I was only stating my experience and it was not to feel better about myself. I can assure you that there is not a pronounceable number in any language for the amount of F***s I don't give about what anyone in the game or on this forum thinks (aside from maybe 3 people).
I have no idea who this player is, nor do I care, and my comments were not directed at them but were directed at the overwhelming amount of players who use a light attack macro and the large amount of those players who cannot stay alive in a trial because they only focus on DPS and cheat to get it.
You’re reporting these players, right? IIRC using a macro violates ToS.1 -
Camb0Sl1ce✭✭✭As @Kingslayer513 said you don't need macros, honestly not even sure how they work as I'm on console and everyone i raid with can hit 50k+ solo myself included.3
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deadlock007✭✭✭deadlock007 wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person displays a parse that shows almost 1 light attack per second (93 light attacks in 96 seconds in the screen shot) that they in fact have their light attack macro'd onto their skills. Which gives substantially more DPS and makes parsing overall easier with more resources and procs and less thinking. There are areas you can improve but you shouldn't compare yourself to these people. They are usually the ones face down in the dirt in an actual raid because they spend all their time in front of a stationary target. Get up to 40-45k, know how to stay alive, learn mechanics and you will be doing great.
I think its funny how people always run down others with high dummy parses, saying they are usually floor mats. While this might be the case sometimes, in my experience, people that take the time to perfect a rotation are usually pretty good.
It's just a way for people to feel better about themselves.
It's obviously ridiculous because most of the highest parses floating around also come from players who have the top leaderboard scores, and all the no-death achievements, etc.
O my, I think y'all missed my point. Regardless of that; I was only stating my experience and it was not to feel better about myself. I can assure you that there is not a pronounceable number in any language for the amount of F***s I don't give about what anyone in the game or on this forum thinks (aside from maybe 3 people).
I have no idea who this player is, nor do I care, and my comments were not directed at them but were directed at the overwhelming amount of players who use a light attack macro and the large amount of those players who cannot stay alive in a trial because they only focus on DPS and cheat to get it.
You’re reporting these players, right? IIRC using a macro violates ToS.
No I am not reporting anyone. ZoS is well aware and there is nothing they can really do about it. They tried preventing animation cancelling a while back but it made combat way too clunky and now they just try to release content that you can't just DPS through (mostly).
I was always aware of people using macros but did not know how bad it was until my friend who has really good DPS asked in a raid guild we were in how everyone is getting 15k+ more than him and why they can land so many light attacks. The response in a chat room full of officers of this end game guild was "You have to make a light attack macro" like it was no big deal because everyone is doing it.
It kinda seems like fight club though and no one wants to talk about it and honestly I wouldn't care if people would just admit it instead of pretending otherwise when they are giving people advice on DPS. Again not saying everyone does it but I know for a fact a lot do.1 -
carlos424✭✭✭✭✭Kingslayer513 wrote: »Kingslayer513 wrote: »As was said before, a lot of it is buffs. One of our guild members was kind enought to purchase one of the new trial/buff dummies for our guild hall. I did a 21M parse on it with my Bow/Bow warden the day we got it.
Self-buffed, previously, I was hitting 32K DPS. On the buff dummy, it hit 50K numerous times. Those buffs make a HUGE difference in sustain and damage output.
I tried one of those buff dummies too.
I had a 20k difference between that and the 6 M dummy.
That's just insane, let get this right, so a buff dummy provides all buffs, so would it be fair to say that it equalises the parses between the ones buffed by third parties compared to the self buffed ones?
Well, the new dummy provides all relevant buffs you would see in a perfectly optimized raid group and even some that are not possible like 100% major force uptime. The point being to equalize as many parameters as possible between tests on each class. But it goes way beyond the capabilities of being buffed from a 3rd party. My dps went from ~60k on 6mil dummy to 90k on the new dummy.
I'm speechless, 90k? Stamblade? That's insane
Nope, 2 pet Sorc. That 90k was on Breton btw. I switched to high elf and pulled 92k, just barely behind the 93k that Liko does on the same build.FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »This is a simple learn to multi macro issue. Once you get the macroing timers right through your mouse and or keyboard, you will also pull 60k or more.
The other option is to expect to do less dps than macro users. I personally will not confirm or deny my performance increasing over night, because of my macro programming skills. My performance increase because I can do perfect rotations under most instances.
@Solosus66 Take that how you want to. But this is a simply get gud by what ever means are available to you issue! Does the ends justify the means for you? That is a question you must ask yourself in this day and age. Where everything is going automatic to include video gaming performance.
Thank you for your information, it certainly makes one think.
Don't thank him, that is the most garbage fake news response anyone could have given you.
You don't need macros to do BiS dps.
I totally agree. I play on xbox and dont miss light attacks. F*^% macros. Whats that? Lol. It’s called practice. If you dedicate a bit of time to it, you will be a light attack-weaving expert in a day or two.
Edited by carlos424 on May 31, 2019 6:40PM1 -
jypcy✭✭✭✭✭deadlock007 wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person displays a parse that shows almost 1 light attack per second (93 light attacks in 96 seconds in the screen shot) that they in fact have their light attack macro'd onto their skills. Which gives substantially more DPS and makes parsing overall easier with more resources and procs and less thinking. There are areas you can improve but you shouldn't compare yourself to these people. They are usually the ones face down in the dirt in an actual raid because they spend all their time in front of a stationary target. Get up to 40-45k, know how to stay alive, learn mechanics and you will be doing great.
I think its funny how people always run down others with high dummy parses, saying they are usually floor mats. While this might be the case sometimes, in my experience, people that take the time to perfect a rotation are usually pretty good.
It's just a way for people to feel better about themselves.
It's obviously ridiculous because most of the highest parses floating around also come from players who have the top leaderboard scores, and all the no-death achievements, etc.
O my, I think y'all missed my point. Regardless of that; I was only stating my experience and it was not to feel better about myself. I can assure you that there is not a pronounceable number in any language for the amount of F***s I don't give about what anyone in the game or on this forum thinks (aside from maybe 3 people).
I have no idea who this player is, nor do I care, and my comments were not directed at them but were directed at the overwhelming amount of players who use a light attack macro and the large amount of those players who cannot stay alive in a trial because they only focus on DPS and cheat to get it.
You’re reporting these players, right? IIRC using a macro violates ToS.
No I am not reporting anyone. ZoS is well aware and there is nothing they can really do about it. They tried preventing animation cancelling a while back but it made combat way too clunky and now they just try to release content that you can't just DPS through (mostly).
I was always aware of people using macros but did not know how bad it was until my friend who has really good DPS asked in a raid guild we were in how everyone is getting 15k+ more than him and why they can land so many light attacks. The response in a chat room full of officers of this end game guild was "You have to make a light attack macro" like it was no big deal because everyone is doing it.
It kinda seems like fight club though and no one wants to talk about it and honestly I wouldn't care if people would just admit it instead of pretending otherwise when they are giving people advice on DPS. Again not saying everyone does it but I know for a fact a lot do.
Let’s be clear that weaving light attacks is encouraged by ZOS through in-game help text as a way to increase damage. It might have arisen as an unintended consequence of active combat mechanics, and there might have been a time when they attempted to remove it, but regardless it is currently as much a feature of combat as dodging, using quickslots, and using skills are.
And I’m not sure whether ToS obligates us to report players who we know to be in violation of ToS, but you really should either way, at least for the sake of, as you brought up, newer players comparing their own performance to others with an unfair advantage.Edited by jypcy on May 31, 2019 6:48PM1 -
deadlock007✭✭✭deadlock007 wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person displays a parse that shows almost 1 light attack per second (93 light attacks in 96 seconds in the screen shot) that they in fact have their light attack macro'd onto their skills. Which gives substantially more DPS and makes parsing overall easier with more resources and procs and less thinking. There are areas you can improve but you shouldn't compare yourself to these people. They are usually the ones face down in the dirt in an actual raid because they spend all their time in front of a stationary target. Get up to 40-45k, know how to stay alive, learn mechanics and you will be doing great.
I think its funny how people always run down others with high dummy parses, saying they are usually floor mats. While this might be the case sometimes, in my experience, people that take the time to perfect a rotation are usually pretty good.
It's just a way for people to feel better about themselves.
It's obviously ridiculous because most of the highest parses floating around also come from players who have the top leaderboard scores, and all the no-death achievements, etc.
O my, I think y'all missed my point. Regardless of that; I was only stating my experience and it was not to feel better about myself. I can assure you that there is not a pronounceable number in any language for the amount of F***s I don't give about what anyone in the game or on this forum thinks (aside from maybe 3 people).
I have no idea who this player is, nor do I care, and my comments were not directed at them but were directed at the overwhelming amount of players who use a light attack macro and the large amount of those players who cannot stay alive in a trial because they only focus on DPS and cheat to get it.
You’re reporting these players, right? IIRC using a macro violates ToS.
No I am not reporting anyone. ZoS is well aware and there is nothing they can really do about it. They tried preventing animation cancelling a while back but it made combat way too clunky and now they just try to release content that you can't just DPS through (mostly).
I was always aware of people using macros but did not know how bad it was until my friend who has really good DPS asked in a raid guild we were in how everyone is getting 15k+ more than him and why they can land so many light attacks. The response in a chat room full of officers of this end game guild was "You have to make a light attack macro" like it was no big deal because everyone is doing it.
It kinda seems like fight club though and no one wants to talk about it and honestly I wouldn't care if people would just admit it instead of pretending otherwise when they are giving people advice on DPS. Again not saying everyone does it but I know for a fact a lot do.
Let’s be clear that weaving light attacks is encouraged by ZOS through in-game help text as a way to increase damage. It might have arisen as an unintended consequence of active combat mechanics, and there might have been a time when they attempted to remove it, but regardless it is currently as much a feature of combat as dodging, using quickslots, and using skills are.
And I’m not sure whether ToS obligates us to report players who we know to be in violation of ToS, but you really should either way, at least for the sake of, as you brought up, newer players comparing their own performance to others with an unfair advantage.
There is no need to be clear, I am well aware on their stance on it and never said I was against it, I use animation canceling /weaving too. I only stated that they in fact tried to prevent it but couldn't and then referred to it as an "unintended feature". There is no way for them to prove a light attack macro and I will not be reporting anyone.
There are very few people who would be able to land a light attack every second on a parse while doing other skills, even if they were connected directly to the server.2 -
jypcy✭✭✭✭✭deadlock007 wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person displays a parse that shows almost 1 light attack per second (93 light attacks in 96 seconds in the screen shot) that they in fact have their light attack macro'd onto their skills. Which gives substantially more DPS and makes parsing overall easier with more resources and procs and less thinking. There are areas you can improve but you shouldn't compare yourself to these people. They are usually the ones face down in the dirt in an actual raid because they spend all their time in front of a stationary target. Get up to 40-45k, know how to stay alive, learn mechanics and you will be doing great.
I think its funny how people always run down others with high dummy parses, saying they are usually floor mats. While this might be the case sometimes, in my experience, people that take the time to perfect a rotation are usually pretty good.
It's just a way for people to feel better about themselves.
It's obviously ridiculous because most of the highest parses floating around also come from players who have the top leaderboard scores, and all the no-death achievements, etc.
O my, I think y'all missed my point. Regardless of that; I was only stating my experience and it was not to feel better about myself. I can assure you that there is not a pronounceable number in any language for the amount of F***s I don't give about what anyone in the game or on this forum thinks (aside from maybe 3 people).
I have no idea who this player is, nor do I care, and my comments were not directed at them but were directed at the overwhelming amount of players who use a light attack macro and the large amount of those players who cannot stay alive in a trial because they only focus on DPS and cheat to get it.
You’re reporting these players, right? IIRC using a macro violates ToS.
No I am not reporting anyone. ZoS is well aware and there is nothing they can really do about it. They tried preventing animation cancelling a while back but it made combat way too clunky and now they just try to release content that you can't just DPS through (mostly).
I was always aware of people using macros but did not know how bad it was until my friend who has really good DPS asked in a raid guild we were in how everyone is getting 15k+ more than him and why they can land so many light attacks. The response in a chat room full of officers of this end game guild was "You have to make a light attack macro" like it was no big deal because everyone is doing it.
It kinda seems like fight club though and no one wants to talk about it and honestly I wouldn't care if people would just admit it instead of pretending otherwise when they are giving people advice on DPS. Again not saying everyone does it but I know for a fact a lot do.
Let’s be clear that weaving light attacks is encouraged by ZOS through in-game help text as a way to increase damage. It might have arisen as an unintended consequence of active combat mechanics, and there might have been a time when they attempted to remove it, but regardless it is currently as much a feature of combat as dodging, using quickslots, and using skills are.
And I’m not sure whether ToS obligates us to report players who we know to be in violation of ToS, but you really should either way, at least for the sake of, as you brought up, newer players comparing their own performance to others with an unfair advantage.
There is no need to be clear, I am well aware on their stance on it and never said I was against it, I use animation canceling /weaving too. I only stated that they in fact tried to prevent it but couldn't and then referred to it as an "unintended feature". There is no way for them to prove a light attack macro and I will not be reporting anyone.
There are very few people who would be able to land a light attack every second on a parse while doing other skills, even if they were connected directly to the server.
Admittedly I don’t have much experience with server-client coding, but isn’t that exactly how they could prove (or ascertain with a high degree of probability) that someone’s using a macro? If someone’s client is sending a light attack after every single skill with the exact same timing after every skill, I’d be suspicious anyway. Or, if you’ve had people admit to you to using macros, that’s fairly incriminating in and of itself.
This is mostly all to say that I think you’re greatly overestimating the issue here. I don’t know a single person using a macro from my years of end game experience, BUT if you’ve stumbled upon the jackpot of macro users, I think both the end game community that puts serious effort into learning to play the game as well as newer players who want viable role models would appreciate cheaters being called out and kicked out (or at least made to play following the rules).0 -
deadlock007✭✭✭deadlock007 wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person displays a parse that shows almost 1 light attack per second (93 light attacks in 96 seconds in the screen shot) that they in fact have their light attack macro'd onto their skills. Which gives substantially more DPS and makes parsing overall easier with more resources and procs and less thinking. There are areas you can improve but you shouldn't compare yourself to these people. They are usually the ones face down in the dirt in an actual raid because they spend all their time in front of a stationary target. Get up to 40-45k, know how to stay alive, learn mechanics and you will be doing great.
I think its funny how people always run down others with high dummy parses, saying they are usually floor mats. While this might be the case sometimes, in my experience, people that take the time to perfect a rotation are usually pretty good.
It's just a way for people to feel better about themselves.
It's obviously ridiculous because most of the highest parses floating around also come from players who have the top leaderboard scores, and all the no-death achievements, etc.
O my, I think y'all missed my point. Regardless of that; I was only stating my experience and it was not to feel better about myself. I can assure you that there is not a pronounceable number in any language for the amount of F***s I don't give about what anyone in the game or on this forum thinks (aside from maybe 3 people).
I have no idea who this player is, nor do I care, and my comments were not directed at them but were directed at the overwhelming amount of players who use a light attack macro and the large amount of those players who cannot stay alive in a trial because they only focus on DPS and cheat to get it.
You’re reporting these players, right? IIRC using a macro violates ToS.
No I am not reporting anyone. ZoS is well aware and there is nothing they can really do about it. They tried preventing animation cancelling a while back but it made combat way too clunky and now they just try to release content that you can't just DPS through (mostly).
I was always aware of people using macros but did not know how bad it was until my friend who has really good DPS asked in a raid guild we were in how everyone is getting 15k+ more than him and why they can land so many light attacks. The response in a chat room full of officers of this end game guild was "You have to make a light attack macro" like it was no big deal because everyone is doing it.
It kinda seems like fight club though and no one wants to talk about it and honestly I wouldn't care if people would just admit it instead of pretending otherwise when they are giving people advice on DPS. Again not saying everyone does it but I know for a fact a lot do.
Let’s be clear that weaving light attacks is encouraged by ZOS through in-game help text as a way to increase damage. It might have arisen as an unintended consequence of active combat mechanics, and there might have been a time when they attempted to remove it, but regardless it is currently as much a feature of combat as dodging, using quickslots, and using skills are.
And I’m not sure whether ToS obligates us to report players who we know to be in violation of ToS, but you really should either way, at least for the sake of, as you brought up, newer players comparing their own performance to others with an unfair advantage.
There is no need to be clear, I am well aware on their stance on it and never said I was against it, I use animation canceling /weaving too. I only stated that they in fact tried to prevent it but couldn't and then referred to it as an "unintended feature". There is no way for them to prove a light attack macro and I will not be reporting anyone.
There are very few people who would be able to land a light attack every second on a parse while doing other skills, even if they were connected directly to the server.
Admittedly I don’t have much experience with server-client coding, but isn’t that exactly how they could prove (or ascertain with a high degree of probability) that someone’s using a macro? If someone’s client is sending a light attack after every single skill with the exact same timing after every skill, I’d be suspicious anyway. Or, if you’ve had people admit to you to using macros, that’s fairly incriminating in and of itself.
This is mostly all to say that I think you’re greatly overestimating the issue here. I don’t know a single person using a macro from my years of end game experience, BUT if you’ve stumbled upon the jackpot of macro users, I think both the end game community that puts serious effort into learning to play the game as well as newer players who want viable role models would appreciate cheaters being called out and kicked out (or at least made to play following the rules).
After looking at some of the reactions to my statement, it seems that people are assuming I am talking about a full rotation macro or something. That is not what people are doing and that would not be viable in combat. People are macroing a light attack onto each skill so that you land a perfect light attack and weave by only hitting the skill button. This is not something that can easily be detected and will just look like normal animation canceling on videos.0 -
jypcy✭✭✭✭✭deadlock007 wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person displays a parse that shows almost 1 light attack per second (93 light attacks in 96 seconds in the screen shot) that they in fact have their light attack macro'd onto their skills. Which gives substantially more DPS and makes parsing overall easier with more resources and procs and less thinking. There are areas you can improve but you shouldn't compare yourself to these people. They are usually the ones face down in the dirt in an actual raid because they spend all their time in front of a stationary target. Get up to 40-45k, know how to stay alive, learn mechanics and you will be doing great.
I think its funny how people always run down others with high dummy parses, saying they are usually floor mats. While this might be the case sometimes, in my experience, people that take the time to perfect a rotation are usually pretty good.
It's just a way for people to feel better about themselves.
It's obviously ridiculous because most of the highest parses floating around also come from players who have the top leaderboard scores, and all the no-death achievements, etc.
O my, I think y'all missed my point. Regardless of that; I was only stating my experience and it was not to feel better about myself. I can assure you that there is not a pronounceable number in any language for the amount of F***s I don't give about what anyone in the game or on this forum thinks (aside from maybe 3 people).
I have no idea who this player is, nor do I care, and my comments were not directed at them but were directed at the overwhelming amount of players who use a light attack macro and the large amount of those players who cannot stay alive in a trial because they only focus on DPS and cheat to get it.
You’re reporting these players, right? IIRC using a macro violates ToS.
No I am not reporting anyone. ZoS is well aware and there is nothing they can really do about it. They tried preventing animation cancelling a while back but it made combat way too clunky and now they just try to release content that you can't just DPS through (mostly).
I was always aware of people using macros but did not know how bad it was until my friend who has really good DPS asked in a raid guild we were in how everyone is getting 15k+ more than him and why they can land so many light attacks. The response in a chat room full of officers of this end game guild was "You have to make a light attack macro" like it was no big deal because everyone is doing it.
It kinda seems like fight club though and no one wants to talk about it and honestly I wouldn't care if people would just admit it instead of pretending otherwise when they are giving people advice on DPS. Again not saying everyone does it but I know for a fact a lot do.
Let’s be clear that weaving light attacks is encouraged by ZOS through in-game help text as a way to increase damage. It might have arisen as an unintended consequence of active combat mechanics, and there might have been a time when they attempted to remove it, but regardless it is currently as much a feature of combat as dodging, using quickslots, and using skills are.
And I’m not sure whether ToS obligates us to report players who we know to be in violation of ToS, but you really should either way, at least for the sake of, as you brought up, newer players comparing their own performance to others with an unfair advantage.
There is no need to be clear, I am well aware on their stance on it and never said I was against it, I use animation canceling /weaving too. I only stated that they in fact tried to prevent it but couldn't and then referred to it as an "unintended feature". There is no way for them to prove a light attack macro and I will not be reporting anyone.
There are very few people who would be able to land a light attack every second on a parse while doing other skills, even if they were connected directly to the server.
Admittedly I don’t have much experience with server-client coding, but isn’t that exactly how they could prove (or ascertain with a high degree of probability) that someone’s using a macro? If someone’s client is sending a light attack after every single skill with the exact same timing after every skill, I’d be suspicious anyway. Or, if you’ve had people admit to you to using macros, that’s fairly incriminating in and of itself.
This is mostly all to say that I think you’re greatly overestimating the issue here. I don’t know a single person using a macro from my years of end game experience, BUT if you’ve stumbled upon the jackpot of macro users, I think both the end game community that puts serious effort into learning to play the game as well as newer players who want viable role models would appreciate cheaters being called out and kicked out (or at least made to play following the rules).
After looking at some of the reactions to my statement, it seems that people are assuming I am talking about a full rotation macro or something. That is not what people are doing and that would not be viable in combat. People are macroing a light attack onto each skill so that you land a perfect light attack and weave by only hitting the skill button. This is not something that can easily be detected and will just look like normal animation canceling on videos.
Yep, I understand that. As a rough example, a single, manual press of the 1 key sends at 0.000 seconds an automatic press of the 1 key and at 0.700 seconds an automatic press of the left click button, right? From having read the other responses before posting, I had assumed everyone else responding understood the same. And it’s just not something I know any end game player to do.
Agreed it shouldn’t look any different on videos and server code might have a hard time detecting something subtle like this on its own. Hence my asking you to report players you know are using it so that ZOS can manually go look for evidence of cheating from a specific client’s input, potentially within a specific time window. Again, I’m assuming here because I don’t know what ZOS’ code looks like, but I’d think the client’s input would look suspicious hahaEdited by jypcy on May 31, 2019 7:50PM0 -
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✭deadlock007 wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person displays a parse that shows almost 1 light attack per second (93 light attacks in 96 seconds in the screen shot) that they in fact have their light attack macro'd onto their skills. Which gives substantially more DPS and makes parsing overall easier with more resources and procs and less thinking. There are areas you can improve but you shouldn't compare yourself to these people. They are usually the ones face down in the dirt in an actual raid because they spend all their time in front of a stationary target. Get up to 40-45k, know how to stay alive, learn mechanics and you will be doing great.
I think its funny how people always run down others with high dummy parses, saying they are usually floor mats. While this might be the case sometimes, in my experience, people that take the time to perfect a rotation are usually pretty good.
It's just a way for people to feel better about themselves.
It's obviously ridiculous because most of the highest parses floating around also come from players who have the top leaderboard scores, and all the no-death achievements, etc.
O my, I think y'all missed my point. Regardless of that; I was only stating my experience and it was not to feel better about myself. I can assure you that there is not a pronounceable number in any language for the amount of F***s I don't give about what anyone in the game or on this forum thinks (aside from maybe 3 people).
I have no idea who this player is, nor do I care, and my comments were not directed at them but were directed at the overwhelming amount of players who use a light attack macro and the large amount of those players who cannot stay alive in a trial because they only focus on DPS and cheat to get it.
You’re reporting these players, right? IIRC using a macro violates ToS.
No I am not reporting anyone. ZoS is well aware and there is nothing they can really do about it. They tried preventing animation cancelling a while back but it made combat way too clunky and now they just try to release content that you can't just DPS through (mostly).
I was always aware of people using macros but did not know how bad it was until my friend who has really good DPS asked in a raid guild we were in how everyone is getting 15k+ more than him and why they can land so many light attacks. The response in a chat room full of officers of this end game guild was "You have to make a light attack macro" like it was no big deal because everyone is doing it.
It kinda seems like fight club though and no one wants to talk about it and honestly I wouldn't care if people would just admit it instead of pretending otherwise when they are giving people advice on DPS. Again not saying everyone does it but I know for a fact a lot do.
This is utterly ridiculous. You've concocted an elaborate endgame conspiracy about nearly universal macro use all based on a troll comment your friend told you about in a story. Get a grip dude.
Please explain how me and all my friends and my raid team are pulling top tier dps with 0.9+ LA ratio without the use of macros. Because I "know for a fact" that neither I nor my friends are using macros.0 -
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Why lie when we all know that isn't true?WrathOfInnos wrote: »The 200 CP isn’t a big deal, and will affect your DPS by less than 10%.
With 57 blue CPs less I get 83k dps.
10% is too much.PTS-EU1