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Massive dps disparity
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Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Something else to keep in mind. I sat next to Alcast doing some testing with this game for Summerset last year. Anyway, I had the exact same gear he had, same CPs, everything. His DPS Parses were about 30% or more higher than mine.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Solosus66✭✭Something else to keep in mind. I sat next to Alcast doing some testing with this game for Summerset last year. Anyway, I had the exact same gear he had, same CPs, everything. His DPS Parses were about 30% or more higher than mine.
Surely that can be explained by rotation, build etc, but when you analyse both parses and see that both are doing similar rotation at similar speed and the real difference is one parse gets 30% higher damage per each hit, it gets confusing.
I know what my problems are, folks on this thread have been amazing with their help. But the two parses above still baffle me on that impale difference.1 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
The difference in max Impale sounds like Bloodthirsty for an extra 30% damage. His parse also had Minor Berserk (removed with Elsweyr) for another 8% damage on all skills.
Also keep in mind that Spell Strat does not show up in CMX or character sheet Spell Damage. It is hidden, and about 600 more after Major Sorcery. I think Siroria + Sorrow is better now, so I wouldn’t rush off to buy Spell Strat, but that also helps explain the higher max hits (higher peaks, but fewer of them than Sorrow).
Yep, I forgot that spell strat is not shown in CMX. About bloodthirsty I have 2 gold rings with it and one arcane.. on the other side twisting path and grasp are literally the same, blockade higher due to burning.. so only question left is about hilarious difference in impale damage.
What's particularly odd as you are running higher crit and crit damage not withstanding you not running spell strat, I find the impale crit difference between his parse and yours confusing, with your stats surely you should have higher crit damage, yet he's almost 20k above you on that hit.
Well, most probably I stopped using lotus fan at execute so i didn't have nor minor vulnerability, nor minor berserk, while Lico had both from healer all the parse. But this all just proves how important for dps are each small pieces of picture. Lico has fire enchants and manages to put much more light attacks so higher burning uptime which buffs both blockade and light attacks. On the other hand, in trial you have a lot of people who proc burning on boss..
VMA staff adds ~8% of dps. Siroria in comparison to more universal sets adds comparable value too. Zaan gives you additional crit and more damage from proc. Keeping minor force uptime close adds ~2k dps too in comparison to charge and forget... and so on and so on.2 -
Solosus66✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
The difference in max Impale sounds like Bloodthirsty for an extra 30% damage. His parse also had Minor Berserk (removed with Elsweyr) for another 8% damage on all skills.
Also keep in mind that Spell Strat does not show up in CMX or character sheet Spell Damage. It is hidden, and about 600 more after Major Sorcery. I think Siroria + Sorrow is better now, so I wouldn’t rush off to buy Spell Strat, but that also helps explain the higher max hits (higher peaks, but fewer of them than Sorrow).
Yep, I forgot that spell strat is not shown in CMX. About bloodthirsty I have 2 gold rings with it and one arcane.. on the other side twisting path and grasp are literally the same, blockade higher due to burning.. so only question left is about hilarious difference in impale damage.
What's particularly odd as you are running higher crit and crit damage not withstanding you not running spell strat, I find the impale crit difference between his parse and yours confusing, with your stats surely you should have higher crit damage, yet he's almost 20k above you on that hit.
Well, most probably I stopped using lotus fan at execute so i didn't have nor minor vulnerability, nor minor berserk, while Lico had both from healer all the parse. But this all just proves how important for dps are each small pieces of picture. Lico has fire enchants and manages to put much more light attacks so higher burning uptime which buffs both blockade and light attacks. On the other hand, in trial you have a lot of people who proc burning on boss..
VMA staff adds ~8% of dps. Siroria in comparison to more universal sets adds comparable value too. Zaan gives you additional crit and more damage from proc. Keeping minor force uptime close adds ~2k dps too in comparison to charge and forget... and so on and so on.
Mystery solved on impale disparity then, was not aware all the little buffs add up to make such a vast difference between the two impaled. Thanks for the great info and parses.0 -
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✭I'm really perplexed, I manage at a push to do 30k dps, but mostly average around 25 or so.
I've been working and working on my rotation on the dummy, tightening it up as much as possible and I just can't get anywhere near 60k dps alcast's build is supposed to deliver.
I'm aware of a couple shortcomings I have, I am only 610cp and also don't have the maelstrom staff for my Magblade. I'm running mother's sorrow with bsw. Staves are gold, everything else purple with the suggested traits. My CP distribution is according to alcast's magblade build.
I'm at just over 40k mag with close to 3k spell power, 64% crit rate and 79% crit damage.
If I compare my stats to some of those folks that have posted their 60k parses, I'm not too far behind, yet they manage to do incredible damage.
I've compared my parses to theirs and I see startling differences on a few things.
1: their light attack damage is more than twice mine per hit.
2. Their skill damage on funnel heath for example is almost twice mine per hit according to their parses. This one for the life of me I can't explain.
Is there such a vast difference between maelstrom staff light attacks that explains point 1?
Does my being short of 200 cp explain the massive differences in certain skill damage per hit ? I can't see it.
Could someone be so kind as to possibly explain the difference between my light attacks and funnel heath spam only doing half the damage on a dummy compared to their parses, this is per hit.
Thank you
CP does matter a lot, the lack of 200 is easily 1-2000 dps difference if allocated correctly, and yes, Maelstrom does do a lot more light attack damage, which is why you'll see that. However, you should take a lot of dummy parses with a grain of salt, because it's pretty common to pull certain tricks to achieve higher dps and it isn't always that you can rely on getting those same numbers on an actual boss (not to mention, the new buff dummy spits out completely unrealistic parses). The thing about dps in ESO is that it's extremely min/max, like you can get crazy high numbers if you don't screw up your rotation at all and have no DoT downtime. Since I don't really know all your stats and stuff like that or have a video to look at, it's hard to tell if you're doing anything wrong, just based on the stuff you've written. Personally I don't think 30k is anything to scoff at. It'll suffice for most content, and if you have 30k at 610 cp, you'll probably be pushing 40k at max cp, which as I mentioned above, does make a noticeable difference.3 -
carlos424✭✭✭✭✭CP will add alot. Honestly, its probably rotation, animation cancelling etc. that is the biggest issue. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the maelstrom staff will add 3-4k at very most. Also, what class are you?Edited by carlos424 on May 30, 2019 2:40AM0
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✭✭✭✭✭Build is largely irrelevant in this game. Most of your DPS comes from weaving.
I went from 25k to 40k instantly when I learned to weave.0 -
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✭Personally what I do not like is the whole discussion is around how to do well with the dummy, knowingly full well that the DPS will be greatly reduced in IRL or even have the guy killed (generating 0 damage and a hassle) by using Siroria on the next boss AOE. Something that is common these days using this crap static set everyone hates on IRL vet trials.Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on May 30, 2019 6:41AM0 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
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Why lie when we all know that isn't true?WrathOfInnos wrote: »The 200 CP isn’t a big deal, and will affect your DPS by less than 10%.
Trolling? It definitely won’t exceed 10%, and will likely be lower. Check out any CP calculator.0 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »
Why lie when we all know that isn't true?WrathOfInnos wrote: »The 200 CP isn’t a big deal, and will affect your DPS by less than 10%.
Trolling? It definitely won’t exceed 10%, and will likely be lower. Check out any CP calculator.
Again, you could get away with this if we weren't all playing the same game."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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Solosus66✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »
Why lie when we all know that isn't true?WrathOfInnos wrote: »The 200 CP isn’t a big deal, and will affect your DPS by less than 10%.
Trolling? It definitely won’t exceed 10%, and will likely be lower. Check out any CP calculator.
Again, you could get away with this if we weren't all playing the same game.
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Well, dps on dummy is only showing build "potential", how you utilize this potential is whole other story.p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »Personally what I do not like is the whole discussion is around how to do well with the dummy, knowingly full well that the DPS will be greatly reduced in IRL or even have the guy killed (generating 0 damage and a hassle) by using Siroria on the next boss AOE. Something that is common these days using this crap static set everyone hates on IRL vet trials.
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MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »Personally what I do not like is the whole discussion is around how to do well with the dummy, knowingly full well that the DPS will be greatly reduced in IRL or even have the guy killed (generating 0 damage and a hassle) by using Siroria on the next boss AOE. Something that is common these days using this crap static set everyone hates on IRL vet trials.
Well, now we have good alternative to Siroria with False God, but before it was only Master Architect/BSW. So obviously we use Siroria+Zaan/Grothdar when conditions allow it, and when you need to move around all encounter, switch to FG/Architect/BSW+Skoria.
But since everybody parses in Siroria+Zaan, you do the same to analyze what can be improved. For me I know that I need squeeze more light attacks and miss less bow procs, but in reality lag is very noticeable and from distance a lot of light attacks simply disappear, so literally my current melee setup with 5 dots and no spammable gives like +20% to dps in comparison to those 3 eleweapons between blockade/path/grasp. And honestly i don't have single idea how youtubers sustain 3 eleweapons in rotation in real conditions.0 -
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✭Liko's ratio of light attacks per sec is around 0.96, your ratio is 0.66. Also you don't have your dots up for the whole fight (fight time: 152s, blockade and Path hits one per sec but on your parse they hit only 141 and 128 times). During fight you managed to fire your bow only 12 times when liko with much shorter fight did it 16 times.
TL;DR you have a lot of space for improving your rotation. Watch the uptime of your dots, how many bows you can cast in 20s and your LA/s ratio2 -
lassitershawn✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
He has .96 la/s, you have .66. This is going to cause huge disparity on its own but la/s on magblades specifically translates to more bow procs and as you can see he got off 4 more bow procs (33% more than you) in 2/3 the time. He has .16 bow/s, you have .08 which means he gets off twice as many bow procs in the same amount of time. Part of this can be remedied by increasing your LA/s and also making sure every 5th attack is a bow. Your 5th light attack should lead INTO a bow proc, you should not cast 5 skills before a bow. This also helps sustain because bows are cheap. He is using a spammable (ele weapon), you do not appear to be doing this. I'm not sure what you're casting in its place and I haven't played magblade this patch so I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure running lotus fan is not meta. I'm less sure about shade, I'm aware that it was buffed, but it doesn't look to be doing a significant amount of damage for you. You are using shooting star a lot (exclusively?). Magblade parses should start with a fire destro and use soul harvests until the end. Soul harvest is a 20% damage buff to everything and explains some of the disparity in avg/max hits. He parsed in a patch where he had self-applied minor berserk, which is not actually 8% damage but it is somewhere around ~5% iirc. He has significantly more max mag than you, I'm assuming your siroria is not perfected.
In conclusion, a lot of it comes down to rotation and some of it comes down to build. The two bolded parts and also slotting ele weapon are what I would go about fixing first.William Thorne - EP Breton Sorcerer
Astrid Winterborn - EP Breton Warden
Erik Ironskin - EP Nord Dragonknight
Venasa Viri - EP Dunmer Nightblade
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lassitershawn✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
The difference in max Impale sounds like Bloodthirsty for an extra 30% damage. His parse also had Minor Berserk (removed with Elsweyr) for another 8% damage on all skills.
Also keep in mind that Spell Strat does not show up in CMX or character sheet Spell Damage. It is hidden, and about 600 more after Major Sorcery. I think Siroria + Sorrow is better now, so I wouldn’t rush off to buy Spell Strat, but that also helps explain the higher max hits (higher peaks, but fewer of them than Sorrow).
Yep, I forgot that spell strat is not shown in CMX. About bloodthirsty I have 2 gold rings with it and one arcane.. on the other side twisting path and grasp are literally the same, blockade higher due to burning.. so only question left is about hilarious difference in impale damage.
What's particularly odd as you are running higher crit and crit damage not withstanding you not running spell strat, I find the impale crit difference between his parse and yours confusing, with your stats surely you should have higher crit damage, yet he's almost 20k above you on that hit.
Soul harvest. Liko is using it, the other guy does not appear to be. Also significantly higher mag on Liko, I'm assuming perfected siroria vs imperfect and maybe something else. I address a lot of the differences in my previous post but there definitely isn't anything unusual going on here imo.William Thorne - EP Breton Sorcerer
Astrid Winterborn - EP Breton Warden
Erik Ironskin - EP Nord Dragonknight
Venasa Viri - EP Dunmer Nightblade
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Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Build is largely irrelevant in this game. Most of your DPS comes from weaving.
I went from 25k to 40k instantly when I learned to weave.
This is incorrect. What sets one uses can change the DPS output by c10k easily. I've seen it. Just changing one set recently increased the DPS of one of my char by almost 5k.0 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lassitershawn, Czekoludek, thanks for insights, yep I need to squeeze more light attacks, but about uptimes, this was experimental rotation with 5+1(trap) dots of various length (8,8,10,12,14,20) and given that we need to also keep up siphoning strikes, eledrain and merciless resolve and don't mess up our sustain which is tight.. ugh, this is hard and even Liko doesn't have 100% uptime of dots other then blockade (purposefully I think)..
So question was why Liko's impale is so much higher, but now you mentioned bonus from soul harvest, so together with minor sorcery and minor berserk and minor vulnerability, difference between 54k and 77k is justified.
About starting with elemental rage and then proceeding with soul harvest (now incap) this feels a little bit cheezy since we time our ultimates for the horn and mechanics (vMol full of such timings for example).. though at execute yes, we need to use incap as soon as it is ready (and i forget about it almost always just throwing blockade and trying to stay alive while impaling), but on all distance i am not so sure..MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
The difference in max Impale sounds like Bloodthirsty for an extra 30% damage. His parse also had Minor Berserk (removed with Elsweyr) for another 8% damage on all skills.
Also keep in mind that Spell Strat does not show up in CMX or character sheet Spell Damage. It is hidden, and about 600 more after Major Sorcery. I think Siroria + Sorrow is better now, so I wouldn’t rush off to buy Spell Strat, but that also helps explain the higher max hits (higher peaks, but fewer of them than Sorrow).
Yep, I forgot that spell strat is not shown in CMX. About bloodthirsty I have 2 gold rings with it and one arcane.. on the other side twisting path and grasp are literally the same, blockade higher due to burning.. so only question left is about hilarious difference in impale damage.
What's particularly odd as you are running higher crit and crit damage not withstanding you not running spell strat, I find the impale crit difference between his parse and yours confusing, with your stats surely you should have higher crit damage, yet he's almost 20k above you on that hit.
Well, most probably I stopped using lotus fan at execute so i didn't have nor minor vulnerability, nor minor berserk, while Lico had both from healer all the parse. But this all just proves how important for dps are each small pieces of picture. Lico has fire enchants and manages to put much more light attacks so higher burning uptime which buffs both blockade and light attacks. On the other hand, in trial you have a lot of people who proc burning on boss..
VMA staff adds ~8% of dps. Siroria in comparison to more universal sets adds comparable value too. Zaan gives you additional crit and more damage from proc. Keeping minor force uptime close adds ~2k dps too in comparison to charge and forget... and so on and so on.
Mystery solved on impale disparity then, was not aware all the little buffs add up to make such a vast difference between the two impaled. Thanks for the great info and parses.
Thanks for this thread, I already got couple of thoughts for improvement from here too
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Nothing to elaborate. I'm an idiot and didn't read correctly.WrathOfInnos wrote: »
Why lie when we all know that isn't true?WrathOfInnos wrote: »The 200 CP isn’t a big deal, and will affect your DPS by less than 10%.
Trolling? It definitely won’t exceed 10%, and will likely be lower. Check out any CP calculator.
Again, you could get away with this if we weren't all playing the same game.
Care to elaborate?
Edited by MaxJrFTW on May 30, 2019 12:01PM"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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tyggerbob✭✭✭✭As was said before, a lot of it is buffs. One of our guild members was kind enought to purchase one of the new trial/buff dummies for our guild hall. I did a 21M parse on it with my Bow/Bow warden the day we got it.
Self-buffed, previously, I was hitting 32K DPS. On the buff dummy, it hit 50K numerous times. Those buffs make a HUGE difference in sustain and damage output.1 -
Solosus66✭✭As was said before, a lot of it is buffs. One of our guild members was kind enought to purchase one of the new trial/buff dummies for our guild hall. I did a 21M parse on it with my Bow/Bow warden the day we got it.
Self-buffed, previously, I was hitting 32K DPS. On the buff dummy, it hit 50K numerous times. Those buffs make a HUGE difference in sustain and damage output.
Insane for sure, never realised it made up such a huge difference.0 -
deadlock007✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person displays a parse that shows almost 1 light attack per second (93 light attacks in 96 seconds in the screen shot) that they in fact have their light attack macro'd onto their skills. Which gives substantially more DPS and makes parsing overall easier with more resources and procs and less thinking. There are areas you can improve but you shouldn't compare yourself to these people. They are usually the ones face down in the dirt in an actual raid because they spend all their time in front of a stationary target. Get up to 40-45k, know how to stay alive, learn mechanics and you will be doing great.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭deadlock007 wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person displays a parse that shows almost 1 light attack per second (93 light attacks in 96 seconds in the screen shot) that they in fact have their light attack macro'd onto their skills. Which gives substantially more DPS and makes parsing overall easier with more resources and procs and less thinking. There are areas you can improve but you shouldn't compare yourself to these people. They are usually the ones face down in the dirt in an actual raid because they spend all their time in front of a stationary target. Get up to 40-45k, know how to stay alive, learn mechanics and you will be doing great.
Ehh... This person actually has pretty awesome leaderboard scores, so those things are not mutually exclusive.
The whole point of practicing on a dummy is to learn your rotation to the point it becomes muscle memory and to test different setups. I mean, there is a show-off aspect, but it's not the main goal.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭✭✭✭✭deadlock007 wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person displays a parse that shows almost 1 light attack per second (93 light attacks in 96 seconds in the screen shot) that they in fact have their light attack macro'd onto their skills. Which gives substantially more DPS and makes parsing overall easier with more resources and procs and less thinking. There are areas you can improve but you shouldn't compare yourself to these people. They are usually the ones face down in the dirt in an actual raid because they spend all their time in front of a stationary target. Get up to 40-45k, know how to stay alive, learn mechanics and you will be doing great.
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person is talking out of their bum without taking a look at the context, they tend to only embarass themselves.2 -
deadlock007✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »deadlock007 wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Op, I agree with you. I can't get it why my self-buffed blockade with 98% uptime is doing 4000-4500, while Lico's blockade in literally same gear does 5900.
Interesting, especially with same gear and cp, I take it his parse lists his crit, and crit damage and spell power and all his buffs? Could it be penetration? De buffs on the dummy?
Well, I looked into his video, it's probably fire enchants which cause much longer periods of burning and so all fire damage receive a considerable buff. Btw, I was wrong about same gear, he used siroria+spellstrat and I used siroria+mothersorrows atm, so from screenshot my stats are even way better (much higher crit chance and crit damage)
And even with hilariously lucky crit on my impale, my impale crit was for 54k and his for 77k. How???
It has been my experience that MOST of the time when a person displays a parse that shows almost 1 light attack per second (93 light attacks in 96 seconds in the screen shot) that they in fact have their light attack macro'd onto their skills. Which gives substantially more DPS and makes parsing overall easier with more resources and procs and less thinking. There are areas you can improve but you shouldn't compare yourself to these people. They are usually the ones face down in the dirt in an actual raid because they spend all their time in front of a stationary target. Get up to 40-45k, know how to stay alive, learn mechanics and you will be doing great.
Ehh... This person actually has pretty awesome leaderboard scores, so those things are not mutually exclusive.
The whole point of practicing on a dummy is to learn your rotation to the point it becomes muscle memory and to test different setups. I mean, there is a show-off aspect, but it's not the main goal.
Mutually exclusive no, but quite common yes. Also good players are still known to use a light attack macro. it only makes their high dps that much higher. I'm not saying everyone does it but a lot of people do.0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am sure it's been said by now, but mag NB is the most difficult and least forgiving rotation in the game. One look at your CM recap makes it clear as day that your either your weave is bad or the pace of your rotation is really slow (probably a bit of both). It also seems clear that your DOT uptime and management of Merciless resolve both need a far amount of work. I am not criticizing at all, when I first started playing mageblade I was absolutely trash at it.
Also, Liko is an amazing resource, but almost nobody can do what he does. It's like trying to compare your golf game to Tiger Woods. Be careful setting your sights too high. That said, he does show the upper end of 2 very classic metrics for mageblade: La/Sec and Avg time between Bow Procs.
Liko: .962 LA/Sec and 5.75 seconds between bow procs on average.
You: .657 LA/Sec and 12.68 seconds between bow procs on average.
For reference, I am typically in the .9 LA/sec and 7-7.5 Seconds between procs range, and that will land me in the low 50s, self buffed (i do run my own ele drain).
Any discussion of gear, buffs, CP, is completely missing the point, and frankly coming from a place of ignorance, as these have nothing to do with the problems above. They will send you down the wrong path towards fixing your issue. Do they contribute to DPS? Sure they do, but for reference, my alt account (CP160) can break 30k on mageblade self buffed with purple gear (gold staff, no VMA).
You have a fundamental rotation issue, end of story. Keep at it, it will get better.
If you are looking for an easier class to tackle with a similar playstyle, Mag sorc is frankly overturned at the moment (coming from someone that has a lot of hours on both), and the rotation is significantly easier.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on May 30, 2019 4:51PM2 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭^ you are right about bow proc and I don't deny that I can't have 0.9 LA per second. 0.7 is like my best results when both I and my PC/connection/server is in good mood. But you can't compare dot uptimes, since I had 6 dots in my rotation and also was keeping eledrain by myself. So with merciless resolve and siphoning strikes it's 9 timers to handle
Question was why Lico's blockade and impale are so much powerful - answer found - it's minor berserk+minor sorcery+soul harvest +burning( for blockade)0 -
kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Because nightblade is tuff to get that high damage out of. Everyone starts from being terrible at them to getting ok maybe and a few stick with it long enough to get good.
Love these parses that show all this cool stuff we don’t have on console. Realize you’re comparing yourself to Liko right? That dude always puts out insane high damage.
So. How come you’re only getting half the light attacks to fire off as that guy anyways? It’s because this game is poor at explaining and no matter how fast you pull that trigger or click that mouse button it can only register 1 light attack per second.
I’d bet your frantically pulling that trigger or mouse click and trying to fit all the other stuff in and that’s why half the light attacks don’t even go off. Just a guess.
It’s probably the most common mistake. Probably the hardest one to fix. if you can’t see that light attack go off. It diddnt go off. Maybe you pulled the trigger too soon. Maybe the skill at the same time..whatever.
Your missing light attacks is throwing everything else out of time.
Get a metronome app. Listen to 60 beats per second. It’s slow af. Go to 120 beats per second. That’s the rate you can input commands into eso and it responds.
Still not super fast or anything. But my guess is you’re rushing things and it messes the order of things up.1 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »^ you are right about bow proc and I don't deny that I can't have 0.9 LA per second. 0.7 is like my best results when both I and my PC/connection/server is in good mood. But you can't compare dot uptimes, since I had 6 dots in my rotation and also was keeping eledrain by myself. So with merciless resolve and siphoning strikes it's 9 timers to handle
Question was why Lico's blockade and impale are so much powerful - answer found - it's minor berserk+minor sorcery+soul harvest +burning( for blockade)
@MartiniDaniels
Liko absolutely uses a standard set of buffs when he parses. He is always very transparent about that. It allows for a much better comparison between classes. That said, even without these buffs, a mabeblade can get into the 50's, totally self buffed, running their own drain. Focus on that if you want to, but the above metrics are far more telling of the real issue.
Also, definitely confused your parse with the OP. haha.
Edit: Why are you running Lotus Fan? I am also not sure what corrosive flurry or slash are. If you want to compare to Liko, run his setup (or close to it). A self buffed NB should have 7 timers to manage: Siphoning, Cripple, Path, Blockade, Trap, Ele drain, and Merciless. Perhaps, you are biting off more than you can chew. Less is more.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on May 30, 2019 5:44PM0
