ESO losing out by not going cross-platform?

Kuramas9tails · May 2019

No.

Nope.

As console, I would NOT want to be in a cross platform version of ESO. The add ons that PC players have would give an advantage to them over console. And not just add ons, from my understanding, the smoothness of animation canceling on PC is superior to console.

Now the games they mentioned that are cross platform, I never played them and don't know what advantage add-ons have for them. I just feel, at least for ESO, it's a game changer between which platform you are on.

Zer0oo · May 2019

do you really think they can make their spaghetti code support multi-platform ?

Skwor · May 2019

RodneyRegis wrote: »

mague wrote: »

I thought this is prevented by Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo ?

I play PC/Gampad and would love it to play with the console guys.

Surely this is pretty easy to debunk, considering there are other cross platforms?

Other than Final Fantasy name more. I do not recall many triple a titles x platform

Raammzzaa · May 2019

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Zos cannot copy your information from NA to EU and vice versa.

Funny this comes up here, I know someone who says they recently had their entire account moved between servers PC EU and NA. Their story is that they basically told ZOS that their game is awesome, they are doing a great job, people who say otherwise are haters, and that they spend a lot of money in the crown store. I don’t know them well enough to say I’m certain that it’s true, but that’s what they say anyway.

MikaHR · May 2019

The only time there would be benfit to crossplay is if some platform didnt have enough players for playing. No such case for ESO, in fact sme would argue that there are too many players considering servers status.

Its "me too me too" article jumping on crossplay bandwagon without much knowledge about the game itself.

Nyladreas · May 2019

Raammzzaa wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Zos cannot copy your information from NA to EU and vice versa.

Funny this comes up here, I know someone who says they recently had their entire account moved between servers PC EU and NA. Their story is that they basically told ZOS that their game is awesome, they are doing a great job, people who say otherwise are haters, and that they spend a lot of money in the crown store. I don’t know them well enough to say I’m certain that it’s true, but that’s what they say anyway.

Some things can be repurchased and transferred from NA to EU and vice versa + crown items at a discount directly from GMs if you have a valid enough reason to require such service. Eg. Leaving a country/deportation a far distance away, beginners mistake of picking the wrong server a LONG TIME Ago, technical issues etc.

You will likely need proof though. And most likely need to be a subscriber. Or be a whale

How I know? Well... That's a story for another time.

Lazy mouth = pure misfortune.

Tatanko · May 2019

This chump refutes his own point right in the opening paragraph:

Fortnite, Rocket League, Dauntless. These three games may seem to initially not have much in common besides their popularity, but they're actually the first and only three games on the market that support full cross-platform multiplayer between PlayStation 4, Xbox One, and PC.

There are only three whole games (out of what? thousands? tens of thousands?) which support full cross-platform. He then makes the leap to say that the game is suffering because of its lack of this feature, despite the fact that it's a feature all other games lack as well. I'm supposed to take this person seriously as an analyst? What a joke.

EDIT for futher quotes of this person's stupidity on display:

I'm not a game developer and I fully expect that the logistics of cross-play are very complex, but the ends more than justify the means in this case.

This is extremely bad for an MMO.

So Forbes is just sensationalist clickbait now. Got it.

Haashhtaag · May 2019

THE SERVERS WOULD LITERALLY DIE AND PERFORMANCE WOULD BE EVEN WORSE.

SpacemanSpiff1 · May 2019

the servers would melt down if they had to handle 3 platforms worth of people.

Pops_ND_Irish · May 2019

Just fine without it

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

Justin Bieber is popular. BTS is popular. Let's hope that Zenimax continues to prioritize a good game over a popular one.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · May 2019

Grianasteri wrote: »

Cross platform is resisted by numerous companies because they believe it will or could damage their brand and sales.

It has been available tech for a long time, no issues. I played most recently Paragon on PS4, along side PC players. No problem.

With ESO, there would be a problem unless all the metric analytics, add ons and game enhancements were made available to console players.

If that happened, I would be hugely in favour. But as it stands, PC players have a massive massive advantage in relation to their on screen information and the stats/analysis available regarding DPS, builds etc.

That’s the thing ... a lot of console players are only on console because there are no add-ons. This is a frequent discussion people have. A few quality of life things would be fine, but anything even remotely similar to a combat add-on would result in a lot of console players leaving forever.

I used to play on PC. The moment I could go to console I did. It’s an even playing field.

Cross platform of PSN and XBox is fine. Cross platform of console and PC is absolutely not fine because someone will have to budge. My money would be on ZOS banning all add-ons if that was the case, or creating an add-on only server. Bringing combat add-ons to console would be one of the single worst decisions they could make for their wallet.

Tandor · May 2019

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Bringing combat and trading add-ons to console would be one of the single worst decisions they could make for their wallet.

Would you agree with my bolded amendment to your comment? I think that's an aspect that is sometimes overlooked in the console versus PC discussions.

If the platforms were merged, ZOS would have an impossible choice to make - introduce addons to console and see a lot of console users quit, remove addons from PC and see even more PC users quit, or leave PC users with addons competing in PvP, competitive PvE and trading guilds against console users without addons and see most console players quit. No prizes for guessing that they'd much rather keep the platforms separate! There's absolutely no incentive for them to do otherwise.

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I used to play on PC. The moment I could go to console I did.

And there goes that credibility.

Trinity_Is_My_Name · May 2019

It would be terrible. The Console's VS the PCs/MACs. Imagine running a Trial on a Console at 10 FPS grouped with PCs/MACs.

What a mess it would be.

Wildberryjack · May 2019

Even though it has lost a lot of players (due to the game going so downhill design wise) all you have to do is look at World of Warcraft to know this article is wrong. WoW is PC only and it is still the biggest MMO out there and will draw back in a lot of players when Classic launches.

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

Wildberryjack wrote: »

Even though it has lost a lot of players (due to the game going so downhill design wise) all you have to do is look at World of Warcraft to know this article is wrong. WoW is PC only and it is still the biggest MMO out there and will draw back in a lot of players when Classic launches.

Exactly. And WoW is complete and utter rubbish. So, it is important for Zenimax to focus on making a good game and not making decisions based on popularity.

Nyladreas · May 2019

Wildberryjack wrote: »

Even though it has lost a lot of players (due to the game going so downhill design wise) all you have to do is look at World of Warcraft to know this article is wrong. WoW is PC only and it is still the biggest MMO out there and will draw back in a lot of players when Classic launches.

Classic will be the ultimate death of WoW.

Nostalgia only feels sweet when you dream it, but turns bitter when you taste it.

UnseenCat · May 2019

When ESO was developed, cross-platfom play was actively being stonewalled by the console networks. So ESO was developed based on the technical landscape of the time. The code was written, the databases were generated. That's not easily un-done without obliterating the game world and starting over from ground zero. How would a FFXIV-style reset go over, five years into ESO? Not well, i imagine.

This is kind of like saying WoW should go to a megaserver model or it will die. WoW isn't dying. It's environment works for its style of play and for its players.

The newest COD game can be designed for cross platform -- because the platforms now have decided to allow it. Also, COD is primarily a PvP sandbox confined to a relatively small map or series of maps. ESO's map is freaking huge, and it's a mash-up of PvE and PvP. Comparing the two environments should make it obvious that it's apples/oranges. Oh, and this is just this year's edition of COD. It's a new game, you're not bringing forward characters built up over the course of years of gameplay. And next year, it will be replaced again. Completely different development cycle.

ESO isn't dying any time soon. The article is naïve.

Deathlord92 · May 2019

Cross platform sounds awesome but comes with few massive problems these just off top my head pc runs a lot smoother then console they also have add ons giving them advantage over console players and the main one could you even imagine how large the ques would be getting in cyrodiil PS4 Eu already gets ques during prime time lmao 😂

Wildberryjack · May 2019

Nyladreas wrote: »

Wildberryjack wrote: »

Even though it has lost a lot of players (due to the game going so downhill design wise) all you have to do is look at World of Warcraft to know this article is wrong. WoW is PC only and it is still the biggest MMO out there and will draw back in a lot of players when Classic launches.

Classic will be the ultimate death of WoW.

Nostalgia only feels sweet when you dream it, but turns bitter when you taste it.

I wonder this myself. It will be interesting to see what happens. Classic will draw back a lot of older players and even new ones who never played back then and want to see it. How long the interest lasts is debatable, especially since Classic is a dead end and will never be updated beyond, well, Classic LOL.

I have one token left in my bank alts bag and I'll use it when Classic launches because I fall into the latter category of not playing back then and I want to see the game world before the Cataclysm messed it up, but I can't see playing beyond that token's time as I do not feel retail now is worth paying to play and a limited dead end version certainly isn't either.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · May 2019

Tandor wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Bringing combat and trading add-ons to console would be one of the single worst decisions they could make for their wallet.

Would you agree with my bolded amendment to your comment? I think that's an aspect that is sometimes overlooked in the console versus PC discussions.

If the platforms were merged, ZOS would have an impossible choice to make - introduce addons to console and see a lot of console users quit, remove addons from PC and see even more PC users quit, or leave PC users with addons competing in PvP, competitive PvE and trading guilds against console users without addons and see most console players quit. No prizes for guessing that they'd much rather keep the platforms separate! There's absolutely no incentive for them to do otherwise.

Some small quality of life add-ons would be acceptable but we’re talking about stuff like “make 100 potions” instead of 4. I’d be against something that effectively turned the current trade system into a global auction house of sorts (that’s kind of what the trader add-ons do at its most basic level) but I could deal with it. Some others, maybe not.

It’s the combat add-ons that are the full on nonstarter. I don’t need a clock to tell me that I need to drink a potion, cast a shield, buff my teammates or DODGE ROLL NOW! I’ve been doing that for years in my head. Part of the reason I love Elder Scrolls is the distinct lack of floaty numbers (which I’ve had turned off since about a week after they came to console). I’m not even a fan of seeing my health bar. Just gimme ESO the way it was designed and I’m good. A lot of folks agree.

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I used to play on PC. The moment I could go to console I did.

And there goes that credibility.

I lost all credibility because I don’t like having add-ons tell me when to do things and I’m fully capable of remembering rotations in my head?

Why don’t you just say what you want to say and you’ve decided to reply negatively (and without substance) to a bunch of posts I made since I called you out for your ridiculous comment about “the feminist agenda” a few days ago? If my credibility is gone with you, good.

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I lost all credibility because I don’t like having add-ons tell me when to do things and I’m fully capable of remembering rotations in my head?

It's getting worse. Are you telling me that you switched to console because the PC has the OPTION of having add-ons? So you spent money buying a whole new copy of the game, instead of just NOT USING ADDONS?

THEDKEXPERIENCE · May 2019

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I lost all credibility because I don’t like having add-ons tell me when to do things and I’m fully capable of remembering rotations in my head?

It's getting worse. Are you telling me that you switched to console because the PC has the OPTION of having add-ons? So you spent money buying a whole new copy of the game, instead of just NOT USING ADDONS?

Essentially yes. Like 70% of my game time is in PVP. Why would I play with no-add ons against a server full of people with them? It’s not about what I can do, it’s what add-ons allow everyone else to do.

Neoauspex · May 2019

Grianasteri wrote: »

Cross platform is resisted by numerous companies because they believe it will or could damage their brand and sales.

It has been available tech for a long time, no issues. I played most recently Paragon on PS4, along side PC players. No problem.

With ESO, there would be a problem unless all the metric analytics, add ons and game enhancements were made available to console players.

If that happened, I would be hugely in favour. But as it stands, PC players have a massive massive advantage in relation to their on screen information and the stats/analysis available regarding DPS, builds etc.

The add-on issue is one overt discrepancy. But also, the whole reason I play on console is so I don't have to deal with auto-hotkey/cheat engine/etc.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · May 2019

Neoauspex wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

Cross platform is resisted by numerous companies because they believe it will or could damage their brand and sales.

It has been available tech for a long time, no issues. I played most recently Paragon on PS4, along side PC players. No problem.

With ESO, there would be a problem unless all the metric analytics, add ons and game enhancements were made available to console players.

If that happened, I would be hugely in favour. But as it stands, PC players have a massive massive advantage in relation to their on screen information and the stats/analysis available regarding DPS, builds etc.

The add-on issue is one overt discrepancy. But also, the whole reason I play on console is so I don't have to deal with auto-hotkey/cheat engine/etc.

All of what you mentioned is part of it. I blanketed the whole thing as add-ons but yeah, exactly. Essentially anything that was added onto the game not by ZOS or something that 1 user can do and another cannot technically is all under that umbrella for me.

Rex-Umbra · May 2019

Would love cross play once next gen consoles launch. Right now PC players have too many unfair advantages macros, mods, addons higher fps etc.

Rex-Umbra · May 2019

I would love to play with pc family and friends but pvp needs to stay separate for now.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · May 2019

Im not agants it but something must happen for these
1. All dlc/chapter would need to be released at the same time
2. Either remouve addon from pc complety or add them to console (and from past experiance we know the latter wont happen and we know that pc cant play without their precious add-on)

Failling these the only cross platform possible would be ps4+xbox

Acrolas · May 2019

Sounds like a guy who thinks he can reach top tier contributor payment status by writing mediocre articles about a niche topic.