Longstanding Issues in BGs: Are the Developers Even Listening to Us?

Aurielle · March 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Trick I’ve found against pet zoo builds is to use abilities that are stronger the more targets there are - cleave, etc...

Plus I love them because it gives me something to heavy attack to regain resources as a healer. They’re free resources.

Switching abilities/sets on the fly is quick and easy on PC, thanks to add-ons; not so on console. I shouldn’t have to waste time scrolling through my UI at my spawn simply to somewhat counter people who can’t PVP without pet cheese.

Pets are only free resources when you are deliberately heavy attacking them. Usually, they are a resource drain, as skills intended for the player often hit the pets instead.

Ap3xJohn15 · March 2019

Bring back cp bgs!

Aurielle · March 2019

Ap3xJohn15 wrote: »

Bring back cp bgs!

No thanks. There are enough cheesy builds in BGs without CP as it is; I don't want to chase any tower farmers around Istirus, or try to take down permablockers on flags.

Beardimus · March 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

I do a ton of BGs and really don't see some of the points you are raising. Thus your subject is somewhat bait, as its your view not 'ours'

1. Yes they are listening, check the patch notes
2. Unsure what ZOS can do. Personally don't feel this, i did pre Summerset, but now pop is popping
3. Again, preSS yes, not any more weekday evenings or weekend. I'm Xbox EU when do you play / context
4. Not an issue. Every class has things to deal with / counter. They all have pros and cons. I.e. Pets are ok for me, i hate wings spam.
5. Not seen these personally, bar the ball once. But agree bugs need fixing.

Personally played a ton of BG's in 2017, and started again regular of late and feel they in a better place than most of 2018. Perhaps my MMR finally dropped lol or its when i play / platform, but i don't feel the pain you do

What annoys me - influx of snipe stickers and tether tanks, drawing out games.

First off, how is this "bait" when these ARE, in fact, issues that many of us are currently dealing with? Do you think we're making this s*** up?

1. I've read the patch notes. Nowhere is there any talk of outright separating premades from solo queued players -- just the same old wishy washy promise that they're going to try to increase the likelihood that premades will face other premades. Don't forget: that's the whole reason why we have the MMR in the first place, and it clearly didn't solve the issue. I (and many others like me) don't want to play against premades PERIOD. Many of us want separate queues, not just a vague promise of less chance of fighting premades.

2. ZOS can eliminate the MMR to solve the problem. I'm really tired of playing against the same people over and over again, just because I've earned a certain number of medals.

3. I'm on PS4 NA, and as I said in my OP, the long queue times are more pronounced at prime time (EST) in the evening. I'm a shift worker, so I often play weekdays during the day on my days off or when I'm working nights. Daytime queues are a little faster, but mostly because there are premades no-lifing BGs for 5+ hours at a time, forcing lots of rage-quits.

4. 100% an issue. The only way to "counter" a WW and/or sorc pet premade is to form a coordinated AOE ult spamming premade. That isn't a "counter" that is available to a solo queued player (which, of course, brings us back to point number 1).

My clickbait comment was you are saying 'us' whereas you mean 'me'

And likewise i do think the Devs ARE listening to us.

1. So they are doing something, they are listening..
2. Pop is your issue at your play time, not MMR. Change toons if you want a work around
3. Get an Xbox, queues are popping fast. Jokes aside, i seriously don't have an issue now, pops in minutes.
4. Not an issue any more than any skill that annoys you. They all have pros and cons personally don't suffer with a wild influx of these not to counter if i do. Again you are speaking for YOU. Not us. Thanks.

I get you are frustrated but there's context to the comments that make a big difference.

The devs listen to us a cool amount. Luckily not too much they change stuff whimsically to ever request...

Beardimus · March 2019

Ap3xJohn15 wrote: »

Bring back cp bgs!

Just no. It was a disaster and ruined population and all game types. They tested it, huge fail, never again.

Aurielle · March 2019

Beardimus wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

I do a ton of BGs and really don't see some of the points you are raising. Thus your subject is somewhat bait, as its your view not 'ours'

1. Yes they are listening, check the patch notes
2. Unsure what ZOS can do. Personally don't feel this, i did pre Summerset, but now pop is popping
3. Again, preSS yes, not any more weekday evenings or weekend. I'm Xbox EU when do you play / context
4. Not an issue. Every class has things to deal with / counter. They all have pros and cons. I.e. Pets are ok for me, i hate wings spam.
5. Not seen these personally, bar the ball once. But agree bugs need fixing.

Personally played a ton of BG's in 2017, and started again regular of late and feel they in a better place than most of 2018. Perhaps my MMR finally dropped lol or its when i play / platform, but i don't feel the pain you do

What annoys me - influx of snipe stickers and tether tanks, drawing out games.

First off, how is this "bait" when these ARE, in fact, issues that many of us are currently dealing with? Do you think we're making this s*** up?

1. I've read the patch notes. Nowhere is there any talk of outright separating premades from solo queued players -- just the same old wishy washy promise that they're going to try to increase the likelihood that premades will face other premades. Don't forget: that's the whole reason why we have the MMR in the first place, and it clearly didn't solve the issue. I (and many others like me) don't want to play against premades PERIOD. Many of us want separate queues, not just a vague promise of less chance of fighting premades.

2. ZOS can eliminate the MMR to solve the problem. I'm really tired of playing against the same people over and over again, just because I've earned a certain number of medals.

3. I'm on PS4 NA, and as I said in my OP, the long queue times are more pronounced at prime time (EST) in the evening. I'm a shift worker, so I often play weekdays during the day on my days off or when I'm working nights. Daytime queues are a little faster, but mostly because there are premades no-lifing BGs for 5+ hours at a time, forcing lots of rage-quits.

4. 100% an issue. The only way to "counter" a WW and/or sorc pet premade is to form a coordinated AOE ult spamming premade. That isn't a "counter" that is available to a solo queued player (which, of course, brings us back to point number 1).

My clickbait comment was you are saying 'us' whereas you mean 'me'

And likewise i do think the Devs ARE listening to us.

1. So they are doing something, they are listening..
2. Pop is your issue at your play time, not MMR. Change toons if you want a work around
3. Get an Xbox, queues are popping fast. Jokes aside, i seriously don't have an issue now, pops in minutes.
4. Not an issue any more than any skill that annoys you. They all have pros and cons personally don't suffer with a wild influx of these not to counter if i do. Again you are speaking for YOU. Not us. Thanks.

I get you are frustrated but there's context to the comments that make a big difference.

The devs listen to us a cool amount. Luckily not too much they change stuff whimsically to ever request...

I don't mean me; I mean everyone who is having these issues (a collective "us" -- that doesn't include some people like you, fair, but it includes enough people that I can use the term "us" without being erroneously accused of "clickbait"). I'm not the first one to raise the points listed here, nor will I be the last if things don't change. Thanks.

Neoealth · March 2019

Sorry if this is bit if a silly question. But how does one check thier mmr?

wheem_ESO · March 2019

Neoealth wrote: »

Sorry if this is bit if a silly question. But how does one check thier mmr?

There's no way for us to see it, only its effects. As an example, my Templar's MMR must still quite low since I've only done a handful of games on that character, and I haven't been running into the same people that I'm used to seeing, and queues are far faster.

ChunkyCat · March 2019

No one is listening to you. Except me. I’m listening

AWinterWolf · April 2019

I do think that premades should be separated, it is an unfair advantage, and should be taken as such.

ThanatosXR · May 2019

I doubt their listening, in two years only one god awful map has been added: Arcane University.

SacredEarth · May 2019

MMR is helpful for newer players to learn how to pvp.

Tab targeting should automatically target players and never pets. So the extra second it takes to get the pet sorc or WW targeted still gives them an advantage but not as much.

I would like to see ZOS interacting more with people in the forums. Especially to address valid points. Even if they can't help, it would at least let everyone know they are listening which would lower the frustration levels. Thinking of several posts where people have quit the game.

Premades, in my experience, are separated. Sometimes you can see what looks like a premade because of the reaction time of a team and its response to your presence being altogether too fast for pugs. I mostly Q solo and sometimes try out a 3 or 4 man q and I always see the giant increase in level of play. The difference is excruciatingly obvious.

When I Queue with one other player who is definitely a high MMR I also notice the giant increase in level of play. I jump into those matches to get better. When I go back to my level in solo q I find that I am destroying.
Situational awareness is the greatest skill I have learned. Countering skills is still beyond me.

AWinterWolf · May 2019

When I accuse people of being a premade, I mean I've seen all four on the same teams together, and all of them are different classes designed to buff each other, watch one another's backs and cover one another's weaknesses. That is an unfair advantage, and some would even say it's cheating.

I will leave a team if it's obvious they are premades, because it is an unfair advantage and should be seen as such. Debuff them or ban them from joining, or put them in a battleground of their own, those are the solutions, but ZoS don't care, as long as they can push more stuff on us, and patch over bugs, ignoring the advice of players.

NordSwordnBoard · May 2019

MollyReed94 wrote: »

When I excuse people of being a premade, I mean I've seen all four on the same teams together, and all of them are different classes designed to buff each other, watch one another's backs and cover one another's weaknesses. That is an unfair advantage, and some would even say it's cheating.

I will leave a team if it's obvious they are premades, because it is an unfair advantage and should be seen as such. Debuff them or ban them from joining, or put them in a battleground of their own, those are the solutions, but ZoS don't care, as long as they can push more stuff on us, and patch over bugs, ignoring the advice of players.

What if it's premade potatoes? (Au gratin)

Nogawd · May 2019

Koolio wrote: »

It’s one thing to say they play Bg’s but play a lot I don’t see it. There’s just too many extremely outstanding issues in the PVP realm for me/us (15 players in my guild) to believe they play a lot. Not specifically BGs but PvP in general.

Hey I remember us playing in the Wabba days. You leading some pugs into a keep and hiding after we took down the door. After the repairs were made we would then siege the keep after defense left.

Ah the good old days.

(PM me for guild info, btw)

Kikke · May 2019

jcm2606 wrote: »

Soft targeting doesn't prioritize what's closest to you, it just flat out doesn't work when it decides to screw you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yprAGEEfOPk

Tab targets sorcs, soft swaps targets. uses Ult and gets surprised he jumps to the sorc not standing near him.

Yet calls out targeting as faulty. And blames Pets, yet he only hit a sorc standing there.

WTF? Just... wtf dude? Tab targeting IS the counter for sorcs hiding in their ZOOs. you demonstrated that here when jumping on a sorc not even on your screen just because of tab target. . . L2P!

jcm2606 · May 2019

Kikke wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Soft targeting doesn't prioritize what's closest to you, it just flat out doesn't work when it decides to screw you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yprAGEEfOPk

Tab targets sorcs, soft swaps targets. uses Ult and gets surprised he jumps to the sorc not standing near him.

Yet calls out targeting as faulty. And blames Pets, yet he only hit a sorc standing there.

WTF? Just... wtf dude? Tab targeting IS the counter for sorcs hiding in their ZOOs. you demonstrated that here when jumping on a sorc not even on your screen just because of tab target. . . L2P!

When did I mention that I was accusing pets of breaking targeting in that specific video?

Watch the video again. I had a guy tab targeted, then switched targets without switching tab target, the guy I had tab targeted ran off screen which should have soft disabled tab targeting, and my character turns around and leaps a guy way off screen fighting a completely different person.

The video is showing some hyper aggressive behaviour with tab targeting, which, in combination with many other people's experiences where tab targeting doesn't even work, causing half your attacks to miss the guy you've got targeted, shows how broken tab targeting is.

Tab targeting is not a viable counter when it is this broken, that is my point. This is tantamount to trying to use a gap closer to keep up with somebody with extremely high movement speed (since gap closers are a counter to high move speed builds), but having the gap closer target somebody completely different.

I have a guy tab targeted, I expect my attacks to prioritise him. He goes off screen or otherwise in a position where my character can't attack according to the very rules of the game, I expect tab targeting to be softly disabled. That's not what's happening, and so it isn't a viable counter.

Goregrinder · May 2019

Team games always favor the team that works as a team. Organized groups tend to work better as a team than unorganized pugs...that's been the nature of team based PVP games since like...the 90's.

bigelle.x3_ESO · May 2019

Ap3xJohn15 wrote: »

Bring back cp bgs!

Ban this guy

ThanatosXR · May 2019

We have like 4 maps for a mode that came out

bigelle.x3_ESO wrote: »

Ap3xJohn15 wrote: »

Bring back cp bgs!

Ban this guy

Champ isnt really disabled , reset your champ points and enter spending none, the enter and comeback with the results

Aurielle · May 2019

ThanatosXR wrote: »

bigelle.x3_ESO wrote: »

Ap3xJohn15 wrote: »

Bring back cp bgs!

Ban this guy

Champ isnt really disabled , reset your champ points and enter spending none, the enter and comeback with the results

That’s quite the elaborate tin foil hat you’ve got there.

Thogard · May 2019

ThanatosXR wrote: »

We have like 4 maps for a mode that came out

bigelle.x3_ESO wrote: »

Ap3xJohn15 wrote: »

Bring back cp bgs!

Ban this guy

Champ isnt really disabled , reset your champ points and enter spending none, the enter and comeback with the results

How about you do this and make a video showing how your stats are different

Strider__Roshin · May 2019

Removing the MMR system, and better separation of premade and PUG would go a long way

AWinterWolf · May 2019

How about the battlegrounds bugs, such as not actually being able to start one? The endless, 'waiting for players' issue, still unresolved.

Waffennacht · May 2019

Last time I checked, which was years ago, tab targeting literally only highlights the enemy and nothing more.

At least on Xbox there was absolutely zero priority system, just one person gets a white outline and nothing more

Lifecode666 · May 2019

Long que are game breaking.

After playing since beta I am now down to only playing BG's and since I am a father I also have limited in game time.

Let's get to the point.
Kids go to bed and around 9 o clock and it's game time.
I log on and chat with mates on diskord.(really looking forward to enjoy some fun with friends.)

It ends with me and a mate making a 2 man group and signing up.
Here it stands still and nothing happens. 22.30 i gotta go cause I have work next morning.

1.5 hours doing nothing...

Waffennacht · May 2019

Lifecode666 wrote: »

Long que are game breaking.

After playing since beta I am now down to only playing BG's and since I am a father I also have limited in game time.

Let's get to the point.
Kids go to bed and around 9 o clock and it's game time.
I log on and chat with mates on diskord.(really looking forward to enjoy some fun with friends.)

It ends with me and a mate making a 2 man group and signing up.
Here it stands still and nothing happens. 22.30 i gotta go cause I have work next morning.

1.5 hours doing nothing...

@Lifecode666 Xbox, PlayStation, PC? 9 is pretty early. I have no issues getting matches even at 2 am

Kel · May 2019

I remember breathing a huge sigh of relief when Zos announced the MMR would do a better job of putting premades with premades.

How naive I was....we were all fooled..

😭

hesobad · May 2019

They know these issues exist. but are too busy pumping out crown store items for us to buy and laughing all the way to the bank while the BG que system is still bugged. Either it fails to form a group endlessly, or youll be waiting for a team to get 3 players and that never happens resulting in a deserter penalty

HEBREWHAMMERRR · May 2019

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/477137/bg-ques-can-we-get-acknowledgement#latest

Made new post in general to gain more exposure to the issue.