Cloak should not negate DOTs or Allow Healing

Gothrock · May 2019

1st NB cannot make a pressure while he is in a cloak, while DK can easily do it all the time wings are up.
2nd Cloak can be easily countered and in that case the only thing it will cause to NB is wasted magicka and GCD, while there is no way for NB to annul wings

So really l2p

Silver_Strider · May 2019

N00BxV1 wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

N00BxV1 wrote: »

In a nutshell:

NB: "I don't like wings and want to kill the DK easier."
Devs: "Ok little buddy, we've clipped them just for you!"

All classes: "Cloak is a crutch and should be changed."
NB: "No it's not. L2P lols"

Difference being that, unless you built specifically around countering Wings, you were screwed as a Ranged Built vs Cloak that is broken by any amount of AoE, several Detect Skills and Detect Pots.

Not all ranged builds were screwed by Wings, just the ones that carelessly spammed reflectable skills without ever trying to adapt or L2P. And thanks for pointing out that in order to counter Cloak one would have to build specifically for it. Without AOE or detect skills/pots, that precious NB will just vanish without a trace only to return when it's ready to fight again. Too bad the DK doesn't have an escape option like that...

I think 50% dot reduction and none/reduced healing while cloaked would be fair.

If you don't have an AoE in PvP, that's on you. Literally every class has an AoE skill that can pull NB out of cloak whereas not every class had unreflectable ranged skills and requires no specific build be used for them. Practically all of Magblades arsenal outside of Caalurion Gankers was completely reflectable, since Swallow Soul, Crippling Blast and Grim Focus were all useless against a DK. Bow builds were also screwed since their best abilities were also completely worthless.

There was no counter to Wing that completely negated it, whereas cloak does and it's that difference that your ignoring to make your argument.

WoppaBoem · May 2019

Silver_Strider wrote: »

N00BxV1 wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

N00BxV1 wrote: »

In a nutshell:

NB: "I don't like wings and want to kill the DK easier."
Devs: "Ok little buddy, we've clipped them just for you!"

All classes: "Cloak is a crutch and should be changed."
NB: "No it's not. L2P lols"

Difference being that, unless you built specifically around countering Wings, you were screwed as a Ranged Built vs Cloak that is broken by any amount of AoE, several Detect Skills and Detect Pots.

Not all ranged builds were screwed by Wings, just the ones that carelessly spammed reflectable skills without ever trying to adapt or L2P. And thanks for pointing out that in order to counter Cloak one would have to build specifically for it. Without AOE or detect skills/pots, that precious NB will just vanish without a trace only to return when it's ready to fight again. Too bad the DK doesn't have an escape option like that...

I think 50% dot reduction and none/reduced healing while cloaked would be fair.

If you don't have an AoE in PvP, that's on you. Literally every class has an AoE skill that can pull NB out of cloak whereas not every class had unreflectable ranged skills and requires no specific build be used for them. Practically all of Magblades arsenal outside of Caalurion Gankers was completely reflectable, since Swallow Soul, Crippling Blast and Grim Focus were all useless against a DK. Bow builds were also screwed since their best abilities were also completely worthless.

There was no counter to Wing that completely negated it, whereas cloak does and it's that difference that your ignoring to make your argument.

2 wrongs don't make it right mate. Wings was addressed and that is oke, I a main DK and I can see why it needed to be done. This topic is not about the counter to Cloak. This is about the function it brings. I completly shuts down all DOT's while healing accessible. Does it have a counter with an AoE yes, wings had a counter with force pulse for mag and melee skills for bow users. Didn't made it right now did it?

If the game code can't allow damage to continue while in Cloak, then also healing and health recovery should be disabled.

Gothrock · May 2019

WoppaBoem wrote: »

If the game code can't allow damage to continue while in Cloak, then also healing and health recovery should be disabled.

Right after the ability to use direct attacks will be disabled for the wings duration.

Silver_Strider · May 2019

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

N00BxV1 wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

N00BxV1 wrote: »

In a nutshell:

NB: "I don't like wings and want to kill the DK easier."
Devs: "Ok little buddy, we've clipped them just for you!"

All classes: "Cloak is a crutch and should be changed."
NB: "No it's not. L2P lols"

Difference being that, unless you built specifically around countering Wings, you were screwed as a Ranged Built vs Cloak that is broken by any amount of AoE, several Detect Skills and Detect Pots.

Not all ranged builds were screwed by Wings, just the ones that carelessly spammed reflectable skills without ever trying to adapt or L2P. And thanks for pointing out that in order to counter Cloak one would have to build specifically for it. Without AOE or detect skills/pots, that precious NB will just vanish without a trace only to return when it's ready to fight again. Too bad the DK doesn't have an escape option like that...

I think 50% dot reduction and none/reduced healing while cloaked would be fair.

If you don't have an AoE in PvP, that's on you. Literally every class has an AoE skill that can pull NB out of cloak whereas not every class had unreflectable ranged skills and requires no specific build be used for them. Practically all of Magblades arsenal outside of Caalurion Gankers was completely reflectable, since Swallow Soul, Crippling Blast and Grim Focus were all useless against a DK. Bow builds were also screwed since their best abilities were also completely worthless.

There was no counter to Wing that completely negated it, whereas cloak does and it's that difference that your ignoring to make your argument.

2 wrongs don't make it right mate. Wings was addressed and that is oke, I a main DK and I can see why it needed to be done. This topic is not about the counter to Cloak. This is about the function it brings. I completly shuts down all DOT's while healing accessible. Does it have a counter with an AoE yes, wings had a counter with force pulse for mag and melee skills for bow users. Didn't made it right now did it?

If the game code can't allow damage to continue while in Cloak, then also healing and health recovery should be disabled.

AoE effectively turned off cloak allowing you to attack with other skills and allowed your DoTs to continue ticking, force pulse did not do that for wings. They was no skill or potion that completely shut off Wings like cloak has. Suggesting that Healing be completely shut off on a class that's only form of healing come from HoTs is ludicrous and it wouldn't even change anything. They run away, heal to full and come back. How is that any different than Healing in Cloak to come back and fight? It's not.

WoppaBoem · May 2019

Silver_Strider wrote: »

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

N00BxV1 wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

N00BxV1 wrote: »

In a nutshell:

NB: "I don't like wings and want to kill the DK easier."
Devs: "Ok little buddy, we've clipped them just for you!"

All classes: "Cloak is a crutch and should be changed."
NB: "No it's not. L2P lols"

Difference being that, unless you built specifically around countering Wings, you were screwed as a Ranged Built vs Cloak that is broken by any amount of AoE, several Detect Skills and Detect Pots.

Not all ranged builds were screwed by Wings, just the ones that carelessly spammed reflectable skills without ever trying to adapt or L2P. And thanks for pointing out that in order to counter Cloak one would have to build specifically for it. Without AOE or detect skills/pots, that precious NB will just vanish without a trace only to return when it's ready to fight again. Too bad the DK doesn't have an escape option like that...

I think 50% dot reduction and none/reduced healing while cloaked would be fair.

If you don't have an AoE in PvP, that's on you. Literally every class has an AoE skill that can pull NB out of cloak whereas not every class had unreflectable ranged skills and requires no specific build be used for them. Practically all of Magblades arsenal outside of Caalurion Gankers was completely reflectable, since Swallow Soul, Crippling Blast and Grim Focus were all useless against a DK. Bow builds were also screwed since their best abilities were also completely worthless.

There was no counter to Wing that completely negated it, whereas cloak does and it's that difference that your ignoring to make your argument.

2 wrongs don't make it right mate. Wings was addressed and that is oke, I a main DK and I can see why it needed to be done. This topic is not about the counter to Cloak. This is about the function it brings. I completly shuts down all DOT's while healing accessible. Does it have a counter with an AoE yes, wings had a counter with force pulse for mag and melee skills for bow users. Didn't made it right now did it?

If the game code can't allow damage to continue while in Cloak, then also healing and health recovery should be disabled.

AoE effectively turned off cloak allowing you to attack with other skills and allowed your DoTs to continue ticking, force pulse did not do that for wings. They was no skill or potion that completely shut off Wings like cloak has. Suggesting that Healing be completely shut off on a class that's only form of healing come from HoTs is ludicrous and it wouldn't even change anything. They run away, heal to full and come back. How is that any different than Healing in Cloak to come back and fight? It's not.

Better would be that DOT's hurt, but if this is not possible healing should be dissabled. Rally is a very good healing for stam, magblade is *** they should address this they need a form or expensive oh *** burst heal.

Its about perception and trade offs. That it is no different according to you, no reason to object then. It simple all damage overtime is disabled then also healing. I am even oke with snairs and what not all not active while in Cloak. Really making Cloak like a different dimension it is now for DOT's for everything I am fine with that if the current code does not allow damage to tick.

Victor_Blade · May 2019

Gnozo wrote: »

There are 2 similiar skills to cloak in the game atm.

First one is Streak wich gets increased cost upon frequently casts.

The other one is Mist Form. Wich surpresses every healing and magicka Regeneration.

So these 2 skills Always have a downside. Cloak doesnt.

Regeneration still active allowing to stay in cloak longer, healing active allowing you to cloak at 5% hp and come out of cloak with 100%. Surpressing every dot that the enemy put on you, evade projectiles,proc Major Ward/resolve and get a garantued crit upon your next damage or healing.

Kinda overloaded this skill. If they cant make it that dots are still going. At least remove magicka regen and healing while being cloaked.

That's all cool and stuff but it's true for stamblades. Magblades don't have any heals aside from swallow soul which has been nerfed to the ground, isn't a heal on demand, can't use it outside of combat, heals for less than mutagen. So if you need nerfs to cloak then zos should remove all counters to cloak as well. I'm prepared to take dot damage but then I want cloak to be unbreakable. No aoe, mage light or detect pot bs.

And streak has increased cost? It has increased cost if cast within 4 seconds. If you can't survive with all of the heals from dark deal and twilight then it's a l2p issue. Plus streak stuns and everything and it's more reliable than cloak since you can streak> dodge roll> heal > dodge roll> streak and go to the other side of the map. If you can't survive 4 seconds after streaking then you're just that bad.

Silver_Strider · May 2019

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

N00BxV1 wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

N00BxV1 wrote: »

In a nutshell:

NB: "I don't like wings and want to kill the DK easier."
Devs: "Ok little buddy, we've clipped them just for you!"

All classes: "Cloak is a crutch and should be changed."
NB: "No it's not. L2P lols"

Difference being that, unless you built specifically around countering Wings, you were screwed as a Ranged Built vs Cloak that is broken by any amount of AoE, several Detect Skills and Detect Pots.

Not all ranged builds were screwed by Wings, just the ones that carelessly spammed reflectable skills without ever trying to adapt or L2P. And thanks for pointing out that in order to counter Cloak one would have to build specifically for it. Without AOE or detect skills/pots, that precious NB will just vanish without a trace only to return when it's ready to fight again. Too bad the DK doesn't have an escape option like that...

I think 50% dot reduction and none/reduced healing while cloaked would be fair.

If you don't have an AoE in PvP, that's on you. Literally every class has an AoE skill that can pull NB out of cloak whereas not every class had unreflectable ranged skills and requires no specific build be used for them. Practically all of Magblades arsenal outside of Caalurion Gankers was completely reflectable, since Swallow Soul, Crippling Blast and Grim Focus were all useless against a DK. Bow builds were also screwed since their best abilities were also completely worthless.

There was no counter to Wing that completely negated it, whereas cloak does and it's that difference that your ignoring to make your argument.

2 wrongs don't make it right mate. Wings was addressed and that is oke, I a main DK and I can see why it needed to be done. This topic is not about the counter to Cloak. This is about the function it brings. I completly shuts down all DOT's while healing accessible. Does it have a counter with an AoE yes, wings had a counter with force pulse for mag and melee skills for bow users. Didn't made it right now did it?

If the game code can't allow damage to continue while in Cloak, then also healing and health recovery should be disabled.

AoE effectively turned off cloak allowing you to attack with other skills and allowed your DoTs to continue ticking, force pulse did not do that for wings. They was no skill or potion that completely shut off Wings like cloak has. Suggesting that Healing be completely shut off on a class that's only form of healing come from HoTs is ludicrous and it wouldn't even change anything. They run away, heal to full and come back. How is that any different than Healing in Cloak to come back and fight? It's not.

Better would be that DOT's hurt, but if this is not possible healing should be dissabled. Rally is a very good healing for stam, magblade is *** they should address this they need a form or expensive oh *** burst heal.

Its about perception and trade offs. That it is no different according to you, no reason to object then. It simple all damage overtime is disabled then also healing. I am even oke with snairs and what not all not active while in Cloak. Really making Cloak like a different dimension it is now for DOT's for everything I am fine with that if the current code does not allow damage to tick.

But what does it accomplish to change it at all then? You're still losing the NB entirely because you can't be bothered to slot a skill to counter cloak so the only real change is that it screws NB that do get their cloak countered, when getting countered is already bad enough as is.

It's a pointless change, plain and simple.

Insco851 · May 2019

Literally pop one detect pot and go gib the lil fella. Ffs.

Y’all want to completely kill a whole class over some dots.

You know what’s more effective than cloak? Dodge roll spam. Yet here we are crying about a L2P issue.

Oh and a surge of mnbs are on the way. Keep your buffs up.

Sleep724 · May 2019

NBs: “Nerf wings! It’s too op! I should be able to hit them from max range with no consequences it shutdowns my entire playstyle. We’re not complaining, it’s about game mechanics!”

Also NBs: “Lol l2p scrub but I can’t survive without cloaking we’ve already been nerfed enough get gud even tho we’ve been top class for years oh yea slot a potion that only detects us too. It’s not about game mechanics, stop complaining and l2p lol.”

hakan · May 2019

Sleep724 wrote: »

NBs: “Nerf wings! It’s too op! I should be able to hit them from max range with no consequences it shutdowns my entire playstyle. We’re not complaining, it’s about game mechanics!”

Also NBs: “Lol l2p scrub but I can’t survive without cloaking we’ve already been nerfed enough get gud even tho we’ve been top class for years oh yea slot a potion that only detects us too. It’s not about game mechanics, stop complaining and l2p lol.”

Blindly assuming stuff wont win you the argument. Where did you get that nbs wanted wings nerfs?

Recent events shows ZoS nerfs buffs whatever they want. For the most of the time they look like they dont listen feedback at all.

Stop this *** "this class says this and zos caters to them" argument.

Cortimi · May 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Nightblades are rogues and rogues are suppose to be able to escape stop trying to ruin the identity of class it won’t be healthy for the game it’s like removing your dk volitile armor and replacing it with something useless.

Oh this is so rich. People talking about "ruining class identity" in the same sentence of saying killing Wings was totally fine. I really don't understand these forums.

Savos_Saren · May 2019

N00BxV1 wrote: »

In a nutshell:

NB: "I don't like wings and want to kill the DK easier."
Devs: "Ok little buddy, we've clipped them just for you!"

All classes: "Cloak is a crutch and should be changed."
NB: "No it's not. L2P lols"

I mean... you're not wrong.

Cloak is a very powerful tool to allow instant engagement or disengagement. The issue is that a NB can put a vast amount of burst on a target and then if the NB starts to get overwhelmed- they can pop a heal and cloak. Toss in Troll King and my NB is back up to full health after a couple of cloaks. While cloaked- all previously applied DOTs are mitigated and any previously applied HOTs continue to tick. This allows for a very, very quick reengagement on the target.

I believe ZOS hasn't been able to fix the mechanic of allowing DOTs to tick on a NB without revealing them from cloak. However, that would be the most reasonable action. Any previously applied DOTs should still tick on the NB without revealing them. That way- if a NB bursts a target and fails- they have an option- they can cloak away to heal up or they can choose to reengage but at lower health. As it stands... there isn't really a risk.

ccmedaddy · May 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Nightblades are rogues and rogues are suppose to be able to escape stop trying to ruin the identity of class it won’t be healthy for the game it’s like removing your dk volitile armor and replacing it with something useless.

Imagine thinking volatile armor qualifies as 'class identity'

god these forumblades are so stupid

Victor_Blade · May 2019

Most magblades asked zos to make cripple or swallow soul unreflectable. We didn't ask for wings nerf. Most of us started using force pulse and soul assault cos of wings. And swallow soul was the only heal we had lol pls Shut up.

But dks crying cos cloak shuts down their playstyle lol. It isn't even true cos most of my magdk main friends absolutely destroy nightblades in general now. Use volatile armour, aoe, mage light, detect pots etc and l2p. Seriously, dk mains were cool with a class dropping their only heal just to counter them but they aren't okay when they just have to actually use their skills and brains to counter a class? Dumbgon knights.

Also, if you wanna see how a playstyle could get absolutely shut down then watch some magblade mains stream when they saw magdks spamming wings. They just walked away cos they can't even hurt them.

The audacity of these dks even tho they're one of the best 1vX classes and one of the best pve dps in the game.

idk · May 2019

WoppaBoem wrote: »

idk wrote: »

What is unacceptable is people calling for a nerf to cloak because they are not using the available counters successfully or not bothering to use them at all.

I easily say this because I use the counters and do not find an issue like what OP is suggesting they have since NBs I find are dead more often than not. Learn to use the counters and that will get the job done for you.

Again its not about that. Counters are oke. And if you never loss a NB on open field you are a star but a skilled NB open field will be able to escape and attack again. And that is fine, Cloak itself is not the problem. The mechanics are, NB's enter like a different realm that negates all DOTs. That I find bad design. Plus on that you can heal in that different 'realm'

It is about that. No doubt there because if the counters were being used and used properly then the NB cannot cloak.

Yes, there will be times that NB gets away. But everything shouldn't be 100% without any possibility the person could survive your assault. To request a nerf because you do not always win, as is described in the passage I quoted, seems to be a little extreme.

Sanguinor2 · May 2019

Victor_Blade wrote: »

The audacity of these dks even tho they're one of the best 1vX classes and one of the best pve dps in the game.

Im sorry for laughing out loud when I read your comment but bolded is one of the best jokes I´ve heared on the Forums for quite a while.
Magdk dps will never be one of the best pve dps until it starts outdamaging Stamina, havent seen that happen in the last 2 years and the one time stamdk was meta with the heavy attack Rotation it got instantly destroyed in the very next patch while stamblade was the best pve dps until elsweyr and magblade the best mag pve dps until murkmire, but sure dk is one of the best pve dps apparently.

Onefrkncrzypope · May 2019

The problem with cloak is that one iteration dots pulled them out and blades where AP fodder. Cloak negating damage was the solution. A hot before cloak taking them out of cloak will also be lame. Imagine a healer popping some hots and ruining your gameplay. Great teamwork lol.

I don't like tanky NBS though because they are a burst rogue type and cloak was designed for their defensive manuevers but with heavy and their new passive cloak is too much icing. Less tanky and cloak currently should be the class. In my opinion, I don't make the game. Don't kill me. Lol

Insco851 · May 2019

Sleep724 wrote: »

NBs: “Nerf wings! It’s too op! I should be able to hit them from max range with no consequences it shutdowns my entire playstyle. We’re not complaining, it’s about game mechanics!”

Also NBs: “Lol l2p scrub but I can’t survive without cloaking we’ve already been nerfed enough get gud even tho we’ve been top class for years oh yea slot a potion that only detects us too. It’s not about game mechanics, stop complaining and l2p lol.”

“Only detects us”

Detect + Vitality
Detect + Spell power + restore mag
Detect + Weapon Crit
Detect + restore mag

All possible, all have utility outside just detecting a NB. Add one to your quick bar today.

Sees cloaky NB in the distance

Switches potion to detect + ????

Gets near and pops potion

NB sitting still wondering why he’s detected... no reaction....

Kills him in 1gcd

brandonv516 · May 2019

Wings were not changed because they were completely OP versus NBs.

Wings were changed because they could shutdown certain builds for ALL classes - ranged Magicka NB was just one of the most hindered by them.

Cloak does not shutdown any builds. Period. This is a learn to play issue.

master_vanargand · May 2019

Nerf was did by ZOS.
NB has nothing to do with it.
You should protest against ZOS.

Vietfox · May 2019

It's fine as it is. If you guys don't want to bring detect pots then it's on you.
I main a melee magblade and that's how i deal with other nightblades because i don't run any aoe (just fear) or inner light. And guess what, most of them don't last more than 10 seconds after using a pot because nightblades aren't as tanky as DKs, don't have class shields like sorcs and don't have a class burst heal like templars. So please, stop with that "cloak op needs nerf" BS.

Deathlord92 · May 2019

Anyron wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Nightblades are rogues and rogues are suppose to be able to escape stop trying to ruin the identity of class it won’t be healthy for the game it’s like removing your dk volitile armor and replacing it with something useless.

they are rogues but invisibility isnt their identity. just like sorcs identity isnt ward, DKs volatile armor or templars heals

even without cloak you can still play like rogue with same success

You don’t know what a rogue is if you think that doing this to cloak will delete the rogue class simple and a lot of players including myself will be angry at that.

Deathlord92 · May 2019

Royalthought wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

There are 2 similiar skills to cloak in the game atm.

First one is Streak wich gets increased cost upon frequently casts.

The other one is Mist Form. Wich surpresses every healing and magicka Regeneration.

So these 2 skills Always have a downside. Cloak doesnt.

Regeneration still active allowing to stay in cloak longer, healing active allowing you to cloak at 5% hp and come out of cloak with 100%. Surpressing every dot that the enemy put on you, evade projectiles,proc Major Ward/resolve and get a garantued crit upon your next damage or healing.

Kinda overloaded this skill. If they cant make it that dots are still going. At least remove magicka regen and healing while being cloaked.

Youre wrong.

Streak is akin to dodge roll. So is mist form.

Cloak is akin to shield.

You know why shield doesnt have an increased cost or heal/regen supression? Because its an awful idea. Same for cloak.

Nightblades have already had tanking, healing and the last thing they excelled at, single target dps, nerfed.

The fact that after this patch, off all patches, you want more nerfs...............

Im starting to question value of zos listening to the forum.

Same here some players wouldn’t be happy unless nb is just deleted it’s just unreasonable these types of players are bad for the health of eso 😡

cheemers · May 2019

There is this potion called a detect potion that stops this happening, and is also bugged to hell in that it doesn't notify the nightblade. You should look into it.

I also think that since you can counter my defense with a potion, I should have a potion that instantly removes your damage shield, armour and drops your block

WoppaBoem · May 2019

Fair enough guys, always used the wall so I am good at breaking cloak. But I will drop this skill for engulfing flames and move to detect pots. Again to refrase, I am not against Cloak and possibly the detect pots are a bit OP same as Cloak is BTW. I just hate it that my DOTs don't hit during Cloak (bad design in the code). But will do my best to keep sniffing you guys out

darkblue5 · May 2019

Sleep724 wrote: »

NBs: “Nerf wings! It’s too op! I should be able to hit them from max range with no consequences it shutdowns my entire playstyle. We’re not complaining, it’s about game mechanics!”

Also NBs: “Lol l2p scrub but I can’t survive without cloaking we’ve already been nerfed enough get gud even tho we’ve been top class for years oh yea slot a potion that only detects us too. It’s not about game mechanics, stop complaining and l2p lol.”

Let's list the viable counters to wings for magblades last patch.

Respec to stamina partially because wings partially because magblade was one of if not the worst open world spec last patch.

Also it is still nigh impossible to kill a magdk with wings up on a purely ranged magblade this patch anyways. If you die to Flame Reach into Assassin's Will with new wings up....
BTW the purely ranged magblade class who is heavily incentivized to play the purely ranged gap closer Lotus Fan... Also the purely ranged Soul Harvest... Yes, magblade's best skills are all 100% ranged and they never have to close to melee to secure a kill.
(I'll admit I killed a magdk with a Soul Harvest into magicka Spambush this patch when they were using Wings against my Swallow Souls and Assassin's Wills. One of the real issues last patch with Wings was reflecting the bad but needed healing of Swallow Souls on a class with terribad self healing.)

Let's list the viable counters to Cloak last patch and this patch

AOEs like Spin-to-Win, Wall of Frost, Volatile Armor etc
Detect Pots
Blocking when they cast Shadowy Disguise and repeatedly pressing your stun ability while blocking
Building very tanky and high damage for nearly free with Heavy Armor or Protective
Mage Light (fair amount worse than first four)

Luckily the best counter (AOEs) were nerfed this latest patch so nightblades remain invincible!!!

(Cloak is OP and newbies and borderline bad against players of the same caliber as yourself or better. Luckily ZOS did the unthinkable and buffed an ancillary defense for NBs which funnily enough makes Shadowy Disguise better by reducing the need to crutch on it.)

Deathlord92 · May 2019

cheemers wrote: »

There is this potion called a detect potion that stops this happening, and is also bugged to hell in that it doesn't notify the nightblade. You should look into it.

I also think that since you can counter my defense with a potion, I should have a potion that instantly removes your damage shield, armour and drops your block

Agreed

deepseamk20b14_ESO · May 2019

If cloak didn’t suppress DoTs (which is what it does, not purge the DoT) wouldn’t that also be shutting down a mechanic? NB generally must rely on non class skills for heals, whether it be vigor or something like healing ward for mag builds. NB doesn’t have burst heals or native shields like other classes. Now I’m not saying other classes don’t use non class heals, but NB relies on them more so. The only class burst heals you get are upon getting a kill, which, you won’t get said kill if you cannot heal through the damage you’re receiving. They already nerfed dark cloak heal.

Cloak is a main nightblade survival mechanic. Wings are not. DK has other tools in their kit that allow for suvivability. This is also why they honestly make the best tanks imo. If you could just place all your DoTs on them (NB’s) and there wasn’t anything they could do there would be a problem. Bleed builds are common these days and very powerful. As heavy armor is becoming more and more of a meta, it would kill medium armor builds even more, and light armor NB’s aren’t even close to as prevalent as they were years ago, nerfing cloak would hurt them too.

Not every build should be OP verse ever other build. That wouldn’t be very balanced. In my experience magDK has always been the bane of NB and does really well against them. Most magDK that focuses on DoTs also tend to have a lot of AoE based attacks on their bar which are great for stopping an NB from cloaking.

You think it’s bad now, look back a few years ago when cloak did actually purge DoTs and people could cast vigor while cloaked. Now THAT was a problem. What you’re talking about is nothing in comparison.

I’m not going to say learn to play, but I will say there are plenty of ways to combat the issue you are having and many people have found this way. Nerfing the classes main survival skill is certainly not the way to go.

@Royalthought did they nerf NB tanking though? I haven’t tried, but the extra healing from siphoning passives plus leeching strikes or siphoning strikes, funnel health (depending on setup) sap essence (or power extraction for the harder hits if you don’t need the healing from sap) should be pretty nice. Plus a native 23% damage reduction by using dark cloak and relentless focus sounds pretty strong to me. NB’s ability to gain ultimate is top notch and soul siphon is an extremely strong ultimate heal that can be up a lot of the time. If anything, I think NB tank got a buff.

Apox · May 2019

cloak needs a fatigue timer like bolt scape and dodge roll. upon activation very current incoming attack misses? sounds like a dodge roll to me.