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To all of you upset for NA rawlkha guilds gone...
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Pevey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Well, another completely empty trader in rawl on PC NA. What are these shenanigans? Are they now doing the same as on PS4, trying to sell the spot now to the highest (re)bidder?0 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
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There is a single Guild Trader without anything listed in the store. The other stalls have the usual guilds in them with full inventories.0 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »
There is a single Guild Trader without anything listed in the store. The other stalls have the usual guilds in them with full inventories.
Note that there's no guild attached to the trader, though.0 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »
There is a single Guild Trader without anything listed in the store. The other stalls have the usual guilds in them with full inventories.
Note that there's no guild attached to the trader, though.
The guild name when I was just there was "Leo", the L was a unique version of it.
Edited by ManwithBeard9 on May 27, 2019 2:40AM0 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »
There is a single Guild Trader without anything listed in the store. The other stalls have the usual guilds in them with full inventories.
Note that there's no guild attached to the trader, though.
The guild name when I was just there was "Leo", the L was a unique version of it.
Isn't that the name of the trader?
I stand corrected. It is the guild. Maybe no one bid there? O.o everyone else is back, so it's not some stunt this time...Edited by ZonasArch on May 27, 2019 2:41AM0 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »
There is a single Guild Trader without anything listed in the store. The other stalls have the usual guilds in them with full inventories.
Note that there's no guild attached to the trader, though.
The guild name when I was just there was "Leo", the L was a unique version of it.
Isn't that the name of the trader?
I stand corrected. It is the guild. Maybe no one bid there? O.o everyone else is back, so it's not some stunt this time...
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Pevey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So apparently this was a hostage situation, and the guild leadership paid and just got the trader back.
Now the hostage taker had even more fold for next week. This doesn’t bode well.2 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So apparently this was a hostage situation, and the guild leadership paid and just got the trader back.
Now the hostage taker had even more fold for next week. This doesn’t bode well.
If that's true, they didn't learn any lesson from last week, still felt entitled and didn't bid high enough.
PvP trading right there.
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StabbityDoom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So apparently this was a hostage situation, and the guild leadership paid and just got the trader back.
Now the hostage taker had even more fold for next week. This doesn’t bode well.
If that's true, they didn't learn any lesson from last week, still felt entitled and didn't bid high enough.
PvP trading right there.
Not entitled. You assume they had enough. Also we don't know the whole story.2 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭StabbityDoom wrote: »So apparently this was a hostage situation, and the guild leadership paid and just got the trader back.
Now the hostage taker had even more fold for next week. This doesn’t bode well.
If that's true, they didn't learn any lesson from last week, still felt entitled and didn't bid high enough.
PvP trading right there.
Not entitled. You assume they had enough. Also we don't know the whole story.
I assume they had enough based on the fact they have always been there(so huge sales regularly) and last week they didn't spend any money in trader since they lost bid, so they should have "double" money this week.
But we indeed don't know the whole story. Very much true.2 -
StabbityDoom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm in BMW, AUT, ETU in Rawl and BBC2 (mourn, but sister guild to bbc1). I'm also in a bunch of smaller guilds on my alt account.
None of the guilds *I'm in* (I won't speak for others) have entitled attitudes, there isn't this elitist sense you seem to suggest. It's more like the leaders trying to create community and trying to raise enough each week to cover rising bids. There's no delusions of grandeur. They are just trying to make it each week, like everybody else, only they are doing it at higher amounts. If there was a reason for underbidding or misbidding, it wasn't entitlement.12 -
Pevey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Zonas, I'll be curious to see if your opinion changes if they come for AG next.Edited by Pevey on May 27, 2019 4:34AM0 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭StabbityDoom wrote: »I'm in BMW, AUT, ETU in Rawl and BBC2 (mourn, but sister guild to bbc1). I'm also in a bunch of smaller guilds on my alt account.
None of the guilds *I'm in* (I won't speak for others) have entitled attitudes, there isn't this elitist sense you seem to suggest. It's more like the leaders trying to create community and trying to raise enough each week to cover rising bids. There's no delusions of grandeur. They are just trying to make it each week, like everybody else, only they are doing it at higher amounts. If there was a reason for underbidding or misbidding, it wasn't entitlement.
Entitled in a sense of not feeling like there will be a challenger for the trader, not as in intraguild behavior. Been in two major mournhold guilds and one of the behaved like that, losing the bid each week, and every other month we'd be without a trader for a week, yet the gm never learned. The other one I've been in for literally years, never once they lost their trader. Years.
The ambient in the "entitled" guild couldn't be better, the officers worked hard and the money was there, just the attitude of "people know this is our spot and we're too big, no one will try to fight us out, we can bid low this week" was always there in one of the guilds(I was an officer there).
Indeed, no one took them out for longer than a week, but think his much sales were lost because of this entitlement?
Now I'll say this... The guild in question either made a typo, which is possible but I doubt they never double checked, or they underbid, which I'm inclined on believing, since they had two weeks worth of income and still lost. Not lack of money... I'm sure of that part.
So when I say entitlement, I don't mean at all delusion of grandeur, I mean this false sense of being untouchable. Guilds that don't feel safe, don't bid low. If you feel safe because you're huge guild, that may be true, but during that one week you get too safe, you'll get jumped.
Again, to close, the only reason why I think this was such a case is because I know they had two weeks worth of income to bid.
Anyway... Not my guild, not my problem (even though I buy there a lot). Also not related to this thread, I think.0 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Zonas, I'll be curious to see if your opinion changes if they come for AG next.
Probably not. We've been outbid before and life went on. It's all just a game, and trading is PvP. You snooze, you lose. I'm not an officer at AG, but I trust the people there to keep things up. Much like I trusted everyone in all other guilds. Except for one tiny baby trading guild once that relied entirely on one person to bid every week.1 -
StabbityDoom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Zonas, I get what you're saying, but I once was in a guild where the GM had a theory that trade guilds die after three successive losses of any trader. I have seen that actually go down. But secondly, and I realize you are acknowledging other possibilities - but every one of these guilds did extra high bids this week for two reasons. One, because they got taken last week. Two, because in order to disprove the troll's argument he only paid 7 million a guild, Sylviermoone of Angry Unicorns actually posted her lost bid screenshot which showed exactly how much she bid. So of course none of them went that low this week. In fact, there was extra fundraising because we all knew we had to go hard. (Which was of course the troll's point, to scare us into higher bidding and waste our money.)
Taxes don't really make that much, so they had to make it up with donations, raffles, and auctions.
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ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭StabbityDoom wrote: »Zonas, I get what you're saying, but I once was in a guild where the GM had a theory that trade guilds die after three successive losses of any trader. I have seen that actually go down. But secondly, and I realize you are acknowledging other possibilities - but every one of these guilds did extra high bids this week for two reasons. One, because they got taken last week. Two, because in order to disprove the troll's argument he only paid 7 million a guild, Sylviermoone of Angry Unicorns actually posted her lost bid screenshot which showed exactly how much she bid. So of course none of them went that low this week. In fact, there was extra fundraising because we all knew we had to go hard. (Which was of course the troll's point, to scare us into higher bidding and waste our money.)
Taxes don't really make that much, so they had to make it up with donations, raffles, and auctions.
I know about all that, even my mournhold guild was iffy about it. "What if they change location to annoy other guilds?" Indeed very stressful for the guilds leadership.
As for disproving the 7mi bid, I can honestly say I've never seen a bolder move from any GM in any trader guild.
My point though... Aside from mistakes, that can honestly happen (seen a zero missing once and we got REALLY lucky with that bid), underbidding in this case is such an odd thing for me... The hostage taking guild isn't doing to to lose money, so they sold the spot more more than they bid, for sure. Meaning that there was enough gold to bid higher... And bidding higher this week was a must, right? Specially after silvye showing up they were not kidding around. The neighbors probably weren't either!
As a last comment, this is my favorite part of any MMO, and i get excited when things happen "PvP style" in a trading world. People don't realize how tough of a minigame this is. I don't think most people even realize how important this whole thing is, either. I may poke and pry, but I mean no disrespect to the working officers, it's more of a... provocation. An exercise in analysing risk and behavior.
I'm also kinda morbidly curious to know the motivation and the kind of life that someone like these guys have. Are they natural jerks or they got turned because of game abuse or a fight? Are they targeting or picking randomly? Why?Edited by ZonasArch on May 27, 2019 6:17AM3 -
StabbityDoom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I think there was some targeting involved, based on the reddit forums and here. I agree with 95% of what you say, honestly. I don't even wonder about the trolls, though. They have an attitude that's prevalent recently - a distinct lack of empathy and a whole lotta blaming others.Edited by StabbityDoom on May 27, 2019 7:32PM6 -
squinquargesimus✭✭✭Which guild usually has that trader that was taken hostage again, btw? If it's AUT it could be revenge for Sylvie pricing Riots to be a liar, otherwise idk
Edited by squinquargesimus on May 27, 2019 9:51PMonly a red rage shaped diamond-fashion, singing like a mindless dragon.0 -
Ri_Khan✭✭✭✭✭
✭squinquargesimus wrote: »Which guild usually has that trader that was taken hostage again, btw?
It's BMW and they're back again. That Leo guild is gone. Must have paid the ransom?0 -
squinquargesimus✭✭✭squinquargesimus wrote: »Which guild usually has that trader that was taken hostage again, btw?
It's BMW and they're back again. That Leo guild is gone. Must have paid the ransom?
I suppose, weird they got targeted though since I didn't see them come up much in any of the discussions I read about this —maybe unrelated then?only a red rage shaped diamond-fashion, singing like a mindless dragon.0 -
dvonpm✭✭✭✭I have a suggestion for those of us who think that requirements are insanely high, or that GMs are just pocketing millions.
I do not know what Rawl bids are, but as an example let's say 10m. Now divide that by 500. That's a cost of 20k per member.
That is your min. Voila. That is all.
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Merenwen_812✭✭✭I have a suggestion for those of us who think that requirements are insanely high, or that GMs are just pocketing millions.
I do not know what Rawl bids are, but as an example let's say 10m. Now divide that by 500. That's a cost of 20k per member.
That is your min. Voila. That is all.
a few pages back one posted their loosing bid of over 22 million ….Edited by Merenwen_812 on May 28, 2019 3:23AM0 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Before the rumor mill has a chance to take hold, the most recently discussed trader event was not a hostile takeover and in no way a direct or copycat effort of the inconvenience of the week prior.
Everything's fine.signing off2 -
Pevey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, I was speculating above, and it turns out I was wrong. The reasons I think were similar to why BBC is in windhelm again this week and a new (but obviously related) guild is in their usual spot. Just the GMs playing good defense.0 -
dvonpm✭✭✭✭Merenwen_812 wrote: »I have a suggestion for those of us who think that requirements are insanely high, or that GMs are just pocketing millions.
I do not know what Rawl bids are, but as an example let's say 10m. Now divide that by 500. That's a cost of 20k per member.
That is your min. Voila. That is all.
a few pages back one posted their loosing bid ….
Yeah I was intentionally lowballing and being vague lol.
The point is that you can extrapolate to any guild with a minimum. Anyone can just do a 3 second reasonableness check themselves.
It just seems so much easier than coming to the forums to accuse GMs of guilds you are not in of being thieves, but that's just me
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✭✭✭✭✭CipherNine wrote: »I think it's hilarious. I love seeing the cartel i mean the top few trading guilds get screwed over. Sick of their monopolies anyway. Just proof how this games guild store system sucks.
If I was a very rich person. I would create 5 trade guilds and just keep buying millions and millions of gold. Then keep buying out their trade spots and let anyone join them with very low requirements that's very easy to for fill to stay in the guilds.
There is so much stupidity and nonsense in this statement that it’s hard to know where to begin.
First, if you think there is some “cartel” controlling the top spots in reapers march, you are beyond clueless. There is no collusion or price fixing of any kind. It’s also not some exclusive club. Getting into these guilds is not hard, you just have to be a committed to hitting a sales goal each week, end of story. I have been in multiple high end traders during my time in ESO, I have never once been told what to sell or how much I could sell it for.
Second, what you would do if you were rich is laughably stupid and self destructive. So let’s break it down.
You want to begin by buying enough gold each week to buy all the top spots, which would be up to the 9 figure range. That means supporting bots and crown sellers, both of which are far more damaging to the game than the current state of the trader system. Also, assuming you don’t plan to cheat and use bots, who do you think buys crowns? Active traders, in other words, the same people you are complaining about.
You then want to open these guilds to anyone and everyone them with “low requirements”. Congrats. Reapers March is no longer a good spot to shop. You think these traders sell the most simply because of geography? Sure it helps, but it’s because these guilds have 500 members each that are very active traders and work to keep the store stocked. It’s because, as a buyer, I know that what I want is going to be there when I want it, even if I do pay a bit more for convenience. The good traders would just move to another zone with traders close to a wayshrine, and so would their costumers.
Anyone who thinks this little stunt accomplished anything is kidding themselves. All the traders are back, the markets didn’t collapse, and nobody in these guilds lost a wink of sleep over the nonsense. It was a clever prank at best.
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Tempestbloom✭✭As one of the GMs of Black Market Wares (BMW) Still in Rawl'kha, I wish to clarify the brief loss of our trader (Canda) on Sunday night. This was in no way tied to the previous week's shenanigans. Instead, our leadership team made the simple mistake of bidding on the trader we secured in Rimmen while we intended only to hire that trader for launch as our spot in Rawl'kha was occupied. As any bid locks a guild onto a trader, we had to use a proxy guild in order to secure Canda for this week. At sizable expense we won our bid via the proxy guild and then were able to free the spot to be hired later Sunday night. There was no loss of bid, nor "hostage" situation. We maintained transparency with our members by informing them of the event and the reason for our actions. I hope this satisfies any curiosity or conjecture among the greater community.
Lastly, I do wish to applaud the trade guild leaders and officers of the ESO Community. Bad faith actors are the exception, not the rule. I appreciate the opportunities that I have had to learn from and bond with other leadership teams. Rather than conspiracy there is camaraderie among those that comprehend the labors of love that go into leading these guilds. The time, thought, concern, care, joy and devotion that we individually and collectively pour into our guilds is difficult to fully grasp without experiencing the grinding weekly cycle. Month over month. Year over year. Regardless of what others say in ignorance, I recognize your work, I respect your generosity towards your members, fellow leaders and the community as a whole. In your individual efforts and unique talents, you make the ESO Community a better place. And as I tell my own officers and fellow GMs in BMW, I can never tell you "thank you" enough for what each of you do.@jamasterman
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