Hopefully the racial passives will be balanced next update.

ezio45 · May 2019

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Pops_ND_Irish · May 2019

Orc works for me

Noblis01 · May 2019

When players begin to create effective toons by using ALL of the tools
the devs give them, the problem will stop being for the devs to solve
(that balancing thing.)
NO MMO will ever be "balanced" along racial passives.
Use set items and food or drink buffs to make any race fit any role.
Sure, the devs can address/fix some issues, but there comes a point
when players need to stop complaining and "think outside the box."

But you don't have to take my word for it ...

Beardimus · May 2019

Crixus8000 wrote: »

I hope races don't get nerfed just because pve players don't like that few k dps difference.

Spot on

blnchk wrote: »

Imagine the outcry if Orcs were to be nerfed now that people have already used their free Race Change tokens.

Spot on x 2. Please let's not, forum could do with getting back to regular char at some point

Nemesis7884 · May 2019

honestly, i wouldnt mind zos looking at how the races are distributed and slightly (over)buffing the ones that are under represented, just for variety sake...and i'd imagine that argonian and orc are the least used races

hakan · May 2019

Abhaya wrote: »

Does anyone know if the 3% reduced cost on red diamond also reduces the cost of break free and dodge? You would need to spend roughly 2100 stamina a second to break even with 258 regen. That’s assuming that it is proccing perfectly on cooldown. It should also be noted that the ~133 regen does not benefit from any modifiers like increasing regen % so this puts it even farther behind a flat regen buff. Also the health regen is so negligable that it may as well not even exist and the off-stat regen is okay but is completely useless in PVE for a DD and is situational at best in PVP when having more sustain for your major resource is likely to always outperform.

Long story short I race changed to orc and am using the serpent but I hate how my character looks and am trying to justify going back to imperial with warrior mundus it just doesn’t appear to be mathematically equal and for the times where I venture into PVE land to farm gear I’m worried that I will fall even further behind with the lost weapon damage since I would probably be running shadow rather than the warrior or serpent.

when they changed passives they said "%3 on EVERYTHING" so yeah. block, dodge, ultimates etc.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · May 2019

Daus wrote: »

For Stam Nords are still garbage DPS, and it's Orc or nothing. This isn't balanced at all, and it's been this way since the previous PTS cycle and nothing was done about it.

2 Stam Templars. One Orc the other Khajiit.
Both wearing same gear (Automaton, Leviathan, Stormfist) in same vet dungeon trying to test while duo with each other.

Both doing exactly the same dps within 2% varying between battles. Which is within the margin of error of the DPS counter addon, due to how rotations and crit damage is proccing.

I bet you if I pick Stam Nord and add him in the mix, with the Empowering Sweep changes more likely will be on exactly DPS fluctuation of 2%.

Strider__Roshin · May 2019

idk wrote: »

Pretty sure Zos is saying no to a rebalance of racial passives right after they they rebalanced them. In fact I think they actually said that a couple months ago.

Overall the passive are the best they have been.

For magicka yes, but it's worse for Stam. We went from using Khajiit if you can sustain, and Redguard if you can to Orc always.

Orcs need to be brought down a little, and Nords need to be brought up when it comes to damage.

SoLooney · May 2019

The typical the world revolves around me, cater to me

Nord passives are meant to be tanky, and they're ult gen related.

I dont see how this is unbalanced, each race fits a niche. Dont like it, dont complain about your Nord dps

Vietfox · May 2019

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

Druid40 · May 2019

DreadDaedroth wrote: »

They should revert argonians' racial passives.

Agreed. That swim speed is unfair to both the PVE and PVP communities.

Cundu_Ertur · May 2019

Vietfox wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

There are no woodelves.

Without stealth and a meaningful buff to archery that race does not exist at all.

max_only · May 2019

Vietfox wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

You detect any enemies yet?

I haven’t detected any in pve or pvp.

shaielzafine · May 2019

Orc's definitely in the best spot for Stam DPS or both pve and PvP. I don't see how the racial changes were any real balancing, when the BiS races just got shuffled around. Like okay Argonian is still not given dps passives, Breton is super good for sustaining mag toons but useless for stamina dps, High Elf would still be useless as a tank, redguard still isn't good as healer, etc. They just reshuffled the races and created new BiS ones. They've created a problem and are selling us a solution. They even put the tokens on sale back when they did the stream. And later after forums backlash we got the free race change tokens for the 3 characters. I refuse to buy tokens for the other 10 but other people will buy them. So no, I don't believe they will fix this ever.

Ratzkifal · May 2019

Abhaya wrote: »

Does anyone know if the 3% reduced cost on red diamond also reduces the cost of break free and dodge? You would need to spend roughly 2100 stamina a second to break even with 258 regen. That’s assuming that it is proccing perfectly on cooldown. It should also be noted that the ~133 regen does not benefit from any modifiers like increasing regen % so this puts it even farther behind a flat regen buff. Also the health regen is so negligable that it may as well not even exist and the off-stat regen is okay but is completely useless in PVE for a DD and is situational at best in PVP when having more sustain for your major resource is likely to always outperform.

Long story short I race changed to orc and am using the serpent but I hate how my character looks and am trying to justify going back to imperial with warrior mundus it just doesn’t appear to be mathematically equal and for the times where I venture into PVE land to farm gear I’m worried that I will fall even further behind with the lost weapon damage since I would probably be running shadow rather than the warrior or serpent.

@Abhaya The 3% applies to everything. Breakfree, dodgeroll, sneak, ultimate cost. Everything with a cost, gets reduced. This is consistent with item sets like Alteration Mastery and Battlefield Acrobat. Imperial sustain isn't too bad. Obviously it's not on the level of Redguard or Bosmer sustain, but it's better than Argonian or Khajiit sustain. The 2k health allow you to remain relatively hard to kill compared to more squishy races. If you aren't happy with being an Orc, change back. Your happiness is more important. Besides, with the changes to sustain food, Bosmer and Redguards probably compare a lot better to Orc and Dunmer now.

Vietfox · May 2019

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

There are no woodelves.

Without stealth and a meaningful buff to archery that race does not exist at all.

max_only wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

You detect any enemies yet?

I haven’t detected any in pve or pvp.

I personally don't care about stealth or detection, i care about penetration and speed.

max_only · May 2019

Vietfox wrote: »

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

There are no woodelves.

Without stealth and a meaningful buff to archery that race does not exist at all.

max_only wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

You detect any enemies yet?

I haven’t detected any in pve or pvp.

I personally don't care about stealth or detection, i care about penetration and speed.

So useless passive is still useless. Got it. Thanks for agreeing.

Vietfox · May 2019

max_only wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

There are no woodelves.

Without stealth and a meaningful buff to archery that race does not exist at all.

max_only wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

You detect any enemies yet?

I haven’t detected any in pve or pvp.

I personally don't care about stealth or detection, i care about penetration and speed.

So useless passive is still useless. Got it. Thanks for agreeing.

Not as useless as the argonian swimming speed though.

alanmatillab16_ESO · May 2019

Daus wrote: »

For Stam Nords are still garbage DPS, and it's Orc or nothing. This isn't balanced at all, and it's been this way since the previous PTS cycle and nothing was done about it.

Bin your damage meters and enjoy the game. Damage meters are one of the main causes that turned WoW into the shadow of its former self that it is now. Do you want ESO to go the same way?

Every class has to be the same, no one wants to "waste a GCD" on a low dps ability even if that ability brings more dps to the group overall with a debuff, no one wants to crowd control and every instance becomes a "go go go pull ffs Tank!!!oneone" fest.

anadandy · May 2019

Vietfox wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

There are no woodelves.

Without stealth and a meaningful buff to archery that race does not exist at all.

max_only wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

You detect any enemies yet?

I haven’t detected any in pve or pvp.

I personally don't care about stealth or detection, i care about penetration and speed.

So useless passive is still useless. Got it. Thanks for agreeing.

Not as useless as the argonian swimming speed though.

At least they can swim in both PVE and PVP.

Jaraal · May 2019

Vietfox wrote: »

I personally don't care about stealth or detection, i care about penetration and speed.

Most of us would be fine with keeping the penetration and speed (although roll dodge builds are niche), as long as they revert the useless Detection back to stealth radius reduction, minus the 10% damage bonus.

I don't think anybody is asking for a complete rework of Hunter's Eye, just a small modification. The other two Bosmer passives are ok, although certainly not best or OP. It would be nice if our Argonian friends could get their poison immunity back though. I think those are the only two lore contradictions as far as quest dialogues go.

Vietfox · May 2019

anadandy wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

There are no woodelves.

Without stealth and a meaningful buff to archery that race does not exist at all.

max_only wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

You detect any enemies yet?

I haven’t detected any in pve or pvp.

I personally don't care about stealth or detection, i care about penetration and speed.

So useless passive is still useless. Got it. Thanks for agreeing.

Not as useless as the argonian swimming speed though.

At least they can swim in both PVE and PVP.

Swim in PvP? Sure, go try it

Ratzkifal · May 2019

Vietfox wrote: »

anadandy wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

There are no woodelves.

Without stealth and a meaningful buff to archery that race does not exist at all.

max_only wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

You detect any enemies yet?

I haven’t detected any in pve or pvp.

I personally don't care about stealth or detection, i care about penetration and speed.

So useless passive is still useless. Got it. Thanks for agreeing.

Not as useless as the argonian swimming speed though.

At least they can swim in both PVE and PVP.

Swim in PvP? Sure, go try it

There are lakes and rivers in Cyrodiil that don't have slaughter fish in them.

Imperial_Voice · May 2019

Id love if they removed racial skills altogether and remade them into a "character traits" skill line where you could pick any three

Vietfox · May 2019

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

anadandy wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

There are no woodelves.

Without stealth and a meaningful buff to archery that race does not exist at all.

max_only wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

id still like to see woodelf get some improvement and highelf get something besides the stam passive, maybe something to help them be healers

Woodelf is in a good spot already, and the spell damage from altmer's racial passives help with healing as well.

You detect any enemies yet?

I haven’t detected any in pve or pvp.

I personally don't care about stealth or detection, i care about penetration and speed.

So useless passive is still useless. Got it. Thanks for agreeing.

Not as useless as the argonian swimming speed though.

At least they can swim in both PVE and PVP.

Swim in PvP? Sure, go try it

There are lakes and rivers in Cyrodiil that don't have slaughter fish in them.

Can't remember last time i needed to cross a lake by swimming...

Nevasca · May 2019

Nord is fine, you're just using him wrong. He's not a DPS.

But I agree that Orc is a bit overtuned. They get the most damage, a bit of health and movement. You don't choose Orc because "Oh I want the extra DPS" or "I want the extra movement speed". No. You choose Orc because it's the best at everything, and not going Orc is a detrimental for 90% of playstyles for PvP and PvE DPS.

Dr_Ganknstein · May 2019

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

honestly, i wouldnt mind zos looking at how the races are distributed and slightly (over)buffing the ones that are under represented, just for variety sake...and i'd imagine that argonian and orc are the least used races

Lol like every stam dps build is an orc now.

Girl_Number8 · May 2019

idk wrote: »

Pretty sure Zos is saying no to a rebalance of racial passives right after they they rebalanced them. In fact I think they actually said that a couple months ago.

Overall the passive are the best they have been.

This^

They have moved on and Nord is fine. Don't worry they will nerf tf out of weapons and armor next for you to complain about, as Zos has no idea of how to tweak things.

Deathlord92 · May 2019

I just want to pick my racial passives or morph them I would even pay for it I’m playing a Breton stamblade because I favour Bretons and stamblade please zos I will pay for this I’m desperate 🙏

evoniee · May 2019

the only thing need change is bosmer detection because it is straight up garbage