What become of the comunity

Runkorko · May 2019

After i tanked a dungeon (maybe a little slow, because waiting npc`s RP to continue with quest dialog) i got kicked on the last boss, because i do kite him when he turn me to skeleton.
I didnt need to, i admit, not on normal atleast. But i was bored and i do run / in circle/ stil leting dps to damage him. This happens for like 10 seconds total.
Before they kick me i do menaged to turn my quest and even say bye and leave the grp. Kick msg i noticed after...
So guys ? What the heck become with the comunity ? Ppl dont even answer greetins in dungeons. Get buthurted from one mistake. And play like robots.
I dont post this because i`m ofended or smth. No. I rly wonder when ppl turn so selfish. I do expirienced lots of vote kick votes before, just because someone did a mistake or get dcd for like 1 minute. I always vote no. This remind me so much of WoW. Maybe ppl are right. Maybe lots of wow players join eso last days.

I dont blame te person who start vote. Not more that i blame other 2 members. Maybe they are friends, i dont care. But man, are you rly that low ?:)
To kick sm1 who dont pin a boss and let you dps without need to move. And this on the last boss ? Knowing that guys is for 1st time there and have quest to turn ?
Losing hope of the humanity because ppl like you.

https://imgur.com/a/FV8Os6y

MartiniDaniels · May 2019

Maybe they were a premade group.
And world is full of sick (psychologically) people, you shouldn't take it personally when such happens in 1 of 100 dungeon runs. And toxicity is questionable thing. I remember a week ago I left vdlc dungeon after first boss and harshly told tank that he should tank better cause there were no crusher and no major breach in cmx.

ChunkyCat · May 2019

Are you the guy saying “lol” in the picture?

Zathras · May 2019

Unfortunately, there are a lot of threads on this topic. I'm not going to get into the why of it, or the toxicity, but I will say this: get into a guild and do dungeons with guildmates.

PUGs are what they are. Gathering a group of online friends, or at least semi-familiar guildies, will avoid the toxic dungeon culture that people complain about.

LeagueTroll · May 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Maybe they were a premade group.
And world is full of sick (psychologically) people, you shouldn't take it personally when such happens in 1 of 100 dungeon runs. And toxicity is questionable thing. I remember a week ago I left vdlc dungeon after first boss and harshly told tank that he should tank better cause there were no crusher and no major breach in cmx.

More like a cmx bug.

AhPook_Is_Here · May 2019

Honestly that sounds pretty status quo to me.

jaws343 · May 2019

So you completed the dungeon and the potentially premade 3 person group who only needed one other player through group finder kicked you and moved on. Doesn't sound like a problem at all.

Cortimi · May 2019

Looks like the DPS asked you stand still, you decided to troll, they kicked.

Zypheran · May 2019

Tolerance is a skill that needs to be practiced.... few do these days!

SpacemanSpiff1 · May 2019

judging by the chat box, id say you were trolling them. i'd kick you too.

Runkorko · May 2019

Cortimi wrote: »

Looks like the DPS asked you stand still, you decided to troll, they kicked.

The "dps" say it after i stop kite. And i didnt trolled. I did what i must / ok what i must do on vMode atleast.
And i did it without thinking. Anyway thats not the point. The idea is - one random vote for a reason or not/ and rest press yes without even thinking.

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Are you the guy saying “lol” in the picture?

Yep, AFTER i relalised they kicked me. In fakt the kick msg arive AFTER i leave the grp by myself.

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

judging by the chat box, id say you were trolling them. i'd kick you too.

There are 2 chat lines which are not in that screenshot.
One of them was "hi there" at the start.
Second was "quest" as a explanation why i delay on the shore / need to clear shore from lamias for quest.
There was no conversation or trolling / not from mine, not from their side.
Was a compleatly normal run, til end.

Kel · May 2019

What's weird is after taking a 4 month break, I jumped back into battlegrounds.

Used to get hate whispered all the time.
But now, somethings different.

Seeing lots of "GG"s and whispering nice things, like "What sets you running" and "Man, haven't had that fun of a game in awhile".

The ps4 BG community seems to be getting nicer.

MartiniDaniels · May 2019

LeagueTroll wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Maybe they were a premade group.
And world is full of sick (psychologically) people, you shouldn't take it personally when such happens in 1 of 100 dungeon runs. And toxicity is questionable thing. I remember a week ago I left vdlc dungeon after first boss and harshly told tank that he should tank better cause there were no crusher and no major breach in cmx.

More like a cmx bug.

No, it is very noticeable in dps when at least major breach is not provided. He was running ransack with pugs for measly extra minor resistances and relying on healer to provide eledrain. Or don't relying on anything simply with this morph.. I think I behave toxic from how that group saw, but running all my tanks as group oriented tanks I can't take it when tank or healer are fooling around in vdlc.. on the other side game doesn't explain a heck about what they should do, so it's not them to blame, but ZOS.
So answering OP question, when you met toxic behaviour for gameplay reasons it's not player's to blame, it's ZOS to blame, who creates content with expectation of vet trial level builds, but doing nothing to direct people to that level.

Loves_guars · May 2019

I gave on pugging for this kind of stuff. Although no one ever kicked me I've seen toxicity and also lack of empathy and social skills (I don't ask for eternal friendship, just a simple educated hello).

As a tank I've been called a *** for the same reason, I dared to move around in the phase when the vampire boss transforms into blood (out of boredom), and you can't even damage him in this phase. I'm sick of hyperactive idiots running ahead of me. And then they cry because the DPS queue takes 30 minutes.

Not worth it buddy, play with friends, guildies, aka semi normal humans

JadeCoin · May 2019

Sometimes it's just miscommunication, or lack of communication. I've voted to kick when I thought someone was deliberately trolling, and then wondered afterwards if I might have been wrong to do so. It can be really hard to read people over the internet, and without a mic there are so few signals to interpret, especially if one or both sides aren't using text chat. I'm not saying that was the case here, just that it sometimes is.

There are also the people who just get it backwards. The ones who care so much about fighting the monsters that they take the fights too seriously, when the monsters are only make-believe. And the ones who don't care at all about the players or take them seriously enough, when the players are in fact real.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · May 2019

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

After i tanked a dungeon (maybe a little slow, because waiting npc`s RP to continue with quest dialog) i got kicked on the last boss, because i do kite him when he turn me to skeleton.
I didnt need to, i admit, not on normal atleast. But i was bored and i do run / in circle/ stil leting dps to damage him. This happens for like 10 seconds total.
Before they kick me i do menaged to turn my quest and even say bye and leave the grp. Kick msg i noticed after...
So guys ? What the heck become with the comunity ? Ppl dont even answer greetins in dungeons. Get buthurted from one mistake. And play like robots.
I dont post this because i`m ofended or smth. No. I rly wonder when ppl turn so selfish. I do expirienced lots of vote kick votes before, just because someone did a mistake or get dcd for like 1 minute. I always vote no. This remind me so much of WoW. Maybe ppl are right. Maybe lots of wow players join eso last days.

I dont blame te person who start vote. Not more that i blame other 2 members. Maybe they are friends, i dont care. But man, are you rly that low ?:)
To kick sm1 who dont pin a boss and let you dps without need to move. And this on the last boss ? Knowing that guys is for 1st time there and have quest to turn ?
Losing hope of the humanity because ppl like you.

https://imgur.com/a/FV8Os6y

Define "Kite".
Your job at a tank is to stop the boss from moving around. You stay still and allow the DPS to drop theirs AOE dots on the boss. AOE Dots in this game are counting more than half the damage, especially on the stamina side (Caltrops, Endless Hail, and class specific ones). If you take the boss around to a world tour, like some tanks are doing, you lower the group DPS and you truly annoy people wasting resources trying to keep up doing damage.

If you cannot comprehend that simple requirement from the tanks, then respec your character to something else.

FYI I do have tanks, DDs and healers. And a variety of them depending what I want to play.
The scourge of all tanking, are those weakling tanks moving around trying to avoid the unavoidable damage, making things worse for the whole team.

From your description and picture that exactly happened, and you and any other Tank who rightfully annoys the DDs deserves to be kicked alongside fake tanks.

Runkorko · May 2019

ChunkyCat wrote: »

No, it is very noticeable in dps when at least major breach is not provided. He was running ransack with pugs for measly extra minor resistances and relying on healer to provide eledrain. Or don't relying on anything simply with this morph.. I think I behave toxic from how that group saw, but running all my tanks as group oriented tanks I can't take it when tank or healer are fooling around in vdlc.. on the other side game doesn't explain a heck about what they should do, so it's not them to blame, but ZOS.
So answering OP question, when you met toxic behaviour for gameplay reasons it's not player's to blame, it's ZOS to blame, who creates content with expectation of vet trial level builds, but doing nothing to direct people to that level.

This was normal mode run.

Osteos · May 2019

I'm not seeing anything toxic. If you were able to complete the dungeon and turn in your quest. They probably wanted to find a new tank for the other pledges.

MartiniDaniels · May 2019

Cortimi wrote: »

Looks like the DPS asked you stand still, you decided to troll, they kicked.

Stand still while turned to skeleton? in blackheart heaven? I never saw anybody standing in skeleton form. Everybody kites and runaways and nobody DGAF about this. Only issue is when EVERYBODY in group is lame and so tank doesn't pull skeles to boss and dps can't nuke boss and can't focus mobs if they were not pulled and healer doesn't heal person which turned to skeleton.
I know there are 100 smart tactics to deal with this boss like luring him in far corner whatever, but this is all unnecessary, any ok dps can nuke it single handedly in vet hm. So if dps can't deal with captain in normal without fuss it's huge l2p issue for them and comments to tank just show that this dps are either trolls or noobs, in OP's case probably both.

Kikke · May 2019

So OP is not doing is job as a tank, OP tells them they are wrong when they ask him too stand still. And OP questions why he got kicked? Blaming the others as being toxic? RLY?!

Sorry mate, you're the toxic one in that scenario.

Runkorko · May 2019

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Define "Kite".
Your job at a tank is to stop the boss from moving around. You stay still and allow the DPS to drop theirs AOE dots on the boss. AOE Dots in this game are counting more than half the damage, especially on the stamina side (Caltrops, Endless Hail, and class specific ones). If you take the boss around to a world tour, like some tanks are doing, you lower the group DPS and you truly annoy people wasting resources trying to keep up doing damage.

If you cannot comprehend that simple requirement from the tanks, then respec your character to something else.

FYI I do have tanks, DDs and healers. And a variety of them depending what I want to play.
The scourge of all tanking, are those weakling tanks moving around trying to avoid the unavoidable damage, making things worse for the whole team.

From your description and picture that exactly happened, and you and any other Tank who rightfully annoys the DDs deserves to be kicked alongside fake tanks.

Kite have one definition. And when i mean KITE i mean KITE. Nor runing like madman. Just kite boss in small circle.
The problem is i did it on normal, which is not needed. That was all. Even if it was mistake, it was 10 second mistake. And it was the only one i did in that dungeon. /outside that i had a quest which delay the grp- but hardly my foult/.
Or you are one of those ppl who justify kicking someone from NORMAL dungeon only because he did one mistake ?
Ok there was my foul too. When i react with "dude.... " but i atleast put a smail on it,
Dont like someone to patronise me, because this wasnt like he give a advice.
Stil low, to kick person after last boss so he cant turn his quest. Thats what pissed me alittle.

What you say is false. My tanking is not the best but is more than decent. This wasnt the case.
And DESERVES to be kicked ? Cmoon

Kikke wrote: »

So OP is not doing is job as a tank, OP tells them they are wrong when they ask him too stand still. And OP questions why he got kicked? Blaming the others as being toxic? RLY?!

Sorry mate, you're the toxic one in that scenario.

I did my job as a tank more than perfect. And there wasnt a question why they kicked me. I know why. Every decent thinking person know.
The question was when the comunity become so shity. Sorry.
Already regret i post in on the forums. Like 3 of them wasnt enough.
Atleast it prove what i said.
So if sm1 get kicked , is 100% because his foult.
Got it.

idk · May 2019

It seems to be a little much to kick you on the final boss because you ran away from the tank when he turned you into a skelly. Either there is more to the story or the people who kicked you are trolls.

The old way to do it, sans exploit, was to move away from the boss if turned into a skelly. iirc we took more damage. This was before it was nerfed. Regardless, it is obvious you cannot do anything worthwhile when a skelly. You cannot tank as you have no taunt. I say this because I see someone berating the OP and it seems it is them that does not really understand the mechanics of this fight.

Maybe it is just the people I run with but we can handle that fight without issues if the tank moves away from the boss when in skelly form. I guess some are more challenged.

Runkorko · May 2019

idk wrote: »

It seems to be a little much to kick you on the final boss because you ran away from the tank when he turned you into a skelly. Either there is more to the story or the people who kicked you are trolls.

There wasnt more of the story.
I was the tank, i didnt run away from the tank.
Boss turn me to skely and i kite the 10 skeletons i had on me / because no one dps them/ around the boss/ in circle.
There was no aoe on the ground - so reason to get kicked because i kite boss away from dmg wasnt here.
And this was ONE morphed circle / like 8 seconds/ thats all.
So i had way better reason to kick them because they ignored the adds and dps boss like mindless robots. But it not even croosed my mind. And at the end i even get educated how to tank properly. Just because one is to lazzy to kill adds or to stay in the midle of the circle i kite boss and just dps . Nope... boss move 2 steps away from him= tank should be kicked.

ps They kick me after we kill the boss. Not on the fight. And it was one shot/no dead/ so wasnt - tank sucks reason.

Kolzki · May 2019

It sounds like they were just in a group and going on to do other things after. Kicking after a dungeon is kinda rude but poeple do it as it's less hassle than leaving group and reforming.

Also, if you had time to kite on normal then they might want to look at their dps before they start to judge other people.

Wolfpaw · May 2019

Copy GW2 lfg system & this type of stuff wont happen.

oddbasket · May 2019

Tank get s blamed for everything, that's just how it works.

Solid_Metal · May 2019

what happen to the community ? ,theres always bad apple, just because you have some bad experience with some people, its not right to outright generalize the community as turn into crap, i personally most of the time pug V dungeons and trial, and so far so good, of course i met some rude people, but its in minority, while most of time (normal dungeon) we not talk at all

ccmedaddy · May 2019

I don't see what the problem is here. Despite your, uh, unconventional tanking style they nevertheless let you complete the dungeon and even gave you enough time to turn in the quest. How is it toxic?

Maybe they were a premade group and wanted to queue for another dungeon right away without disbanding?

Pevey · May 2019

ccmedaddy wrote: »

I don't see what the problem is here. Despite your, uh, unconventional tanking style they nevertheless let you complete the dungeon and even gave you enough time to turn in the quest. How is it toxic?

Maybe they were a premade group and wanted to queue for another dungeon right away without disbanding?

This is most likely. They let you finish the dungeon, but they didn’t want you along for the next pledge. Fair enough.

Androconium · May 2019

Pevey wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

I don't see what the problem is here. Despite your, uh, unconventional tanking style they nevertheless let you complete the dungeon and even gave you enough time to turn in the quest. How is it toxic?

Maybe they were a premade group and wanted to queue for another dungeon right away without disbanding?

This is most likely. They let you finish the dungeon, but they didn’t want you along for the next pledge. Fair enough.

The fact that YOU have to tell OP that is the problem.
They could just as easily said 'thanks, we need to move onto something else now'.

Most dungeons I arrive in have the other players already playing before I get there. I use that as guidance on how to behave.

starkerealm · May 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Maybe they were a premade group.

That's a reasonable guess. I have seen that before. Though, usually, I'd rather disband and reform rather than bothering to kick someone who doesn't know what they're doing.