Nightblades on pc how are the changes for our class?

czar · May 2019

I've played stamblade since beta, and my sustain has never been worse. It's absolutely awful, in fact. I initially had no opinion on the changes because I kept reading mixed feedback, and it felt okay-ish on the PTS with BiS gear. I can now say that I hate it on live.

I haven't checked numbers yet because all my addons are out of whack, but surprise attack and incap feel superfluous. I have no idea what to replace them with. I liked having a single-target spammable and a single target ulti that was readily available.

Power extraction got a huge buff, though.

Shadowasrial wrote: »

How is the gap closer performing? Ambush now does minor vulnerability for 8 seconds and is more easily spammable with the removal of minimal distance

I haven't noticed much change with ambush, but I sorely miss the stun it applied.

MartiniDaniels · May 2019

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Use magsorc if you have one, forget the nightblades

I main a stamblade so I will die with the class.

I already see my future as a stamblade, no trials, no dungeons, no pledges, its like having the plague or whatever the counterpart in eso.

Meanwhile ppl pulling 90k dps on raid dummy in elsweyr patch... lol...this forum is bunch of whine

99% of players will never see 100% combat prayer uptime other then on couple of craglorn bosses, of which nobody DGAF about since they are easy. This is real big nerf, self-buffed dps decreased ~3k at least for me. Ways to workaround are murky, because grim focus is still very cost effective for it's damage.
As I said in many other threads main thing which will keep nightblades in trials is that if you have only 1-2 NBs they'll compensate their dps loss at execution since there will be so small number of them now. But if you take dungeons and solo content, magblade was gutted for no reason, since he was not overperforming at U21 at all after 3 patches of nerfs in a row and trials at U21 were full of sorcs.

Drako_Ei · May 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Well if my stamblade unplayable then there’s nothing left for me in eso either way these nerfs suck so I’m cancelling my eso plus when Elsweyr comes to console I’m not supporting something I won’t enjoy.

Can i have your stuff?

Drako_Ei · May 2019

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

I too am struggling, I'm noticing a pretty hefty decrease in DPS on a self-buffed dummy parse on my stamblade. I realize that the game is more than a DPS parse but when I use the same setup pre- and post-Elsweyr, the difference hurts.

What the poster above me said about Slimecraw got me thinking though-- perhaps these changes will let people explore alternatives to the meta setups that were much stronger than most everything else pre-Elsweyr, both in terms of gear and rotation. For once there may be other options besides Focus, AY, etc.

At a purely emotional level though... It still hurts for no particularly logical reason.

You need someone to debuff the dummy with major fracture

MartiniDaniels · May 2019

Drako_Ei wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

I too am struggling, I'm noticing a pretty hefty decrease in DPS on a self-buffed dummy parse on my stamblade. I realize that the game is more than a DPS parse but when I use the same setup pre- and post-Elsweyr, the difference hurts.

What the poster above me said about Slimecraw got me thinking though-- perhaps these changes will let people explore alternatives to the meta setups that were much stronger than most everything else pre-Elsweyr, both in terms of gear and rotation. For once there may be other options besides Focus, AY, etc.

At a purely emotional level though... It still hurts for no particularly logical reason.

You need someone to debuff the dummy with major fracture

Tell tank who is blocking incoming one shots each several seconds to go debuff all those adds/crystals/totems you must nuke in few seconds due to mechanics..

John_Falstaff · May 2019

Drako_Ei wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

I too am struggling, I'm noticing a pretty hefty decrease in DPS on a self-buffed dummy parse on my stamblade. I realize that the game is more than a DPS parse but when I use the same setup pre- and post-Elsweyr, the difference hurts.

What the poster above me said about Slimecraw got me thinking though-- perhaps these changes will let people explore alternatives to the meta setups that were much stronger than most everything else pre-Elsweyr, both in terms of gear and rotation. For once there may be other options besides Focus, AY, etc.

At a purely emotional level though... It still hurts for no particularly logical reason.

You need someone to debuff the dummy with major fracture

Right, and then you will take that someone along for a ride to Maelstrom. You know, to debuff stuff there too for you. ^^

(And no, the argument 'but it can be done with a broom and bucket!' does not justify nerfing performance of a class in certain content. Try it, and I will suggest to nerf sorcs, leaving them just one skill bar - on the ground that they can finish vMA with just a single bar setup anyway.)

Colecovision · May 2019

For stamblade, it's easier to solo vet dungeons than it was before, but the final boss take longer to kill. vMA is fine, please wear appropriate attire. Try nightmothers, vo and slimecraw and have fun giving fracture to everyone all at the same time. Power extraction is your friend. For single target fights I ditch it for hidden blade.

They changed the class. If all you do is take your old setup and go, you may have been nerffed something fierce. To avoid that, take a fresh look at the skills and how you approach fights. We aren't weak in pve.

Shardaxx · May 2019

So they really did remove the npc stun from ambush

Gilvoth · May 2019

czar wrote: »

I've played stamblade since beta, and my sustain has never been worse. It's absolutely awful, in fact. I initially had no opinion on the changes because I kept reading mixed feedback, and it felt okay-ish on the PTS with BiS gear. I can now say that I hate it on live.

i lost my stamina regen and stamina cost per skill and weapon skill use increased double.
i am absolutely sure it was not intended and its a Bug.

2 threads about it so far
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6072492#Comment_6072492

and this one
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6072540#Comment_6072540

John_Falstaff · May 2019

Colecovision wrote: »

For stamblade, it's easier to solo vet dungeons than it was before, but the final boss take longer to kill. vMA is fine, please wear appropriate attire. Try nightmothers, vo and slimecraw and have fun giving fracture to everyone all at the same time. Power extraction is your friend. For single target fights I ditch it for hidden blade.

They changed the class. If all you do is take your old setup and go, you may have been nerffed something fierce. To avoid that, take a fresh look at the skills and how you approach fights. We aren't weak in pve.

Why people refuse to think and realize that what they offer is to sacrifice an existing, actually useful five-piece in order to regain something that class used to have - in other words, to throw away a full set simply to remain at the point where the class has been pre-nerf. It's like there are indefinite gear slots and one simply slaps on NMG without having to choose between that and the set that was in its place before.

Next time they'll decide to give shields a cast time, I'll simply say "just wear Iceheart, why wouldn't you" instead of pushing back against the nerfs.

Colecovision · May 2019

Shardaxx wrote: »

So they really did remove the npc stun from ambush

Yes, but it now gives minor vulnerability. Considering only trash used to get stunned, try this. Mark the trash, ambush, power extraction, killer blade. It's a buff.

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Colecovision wrote: »

For stamblade, it's easier to solo vet dungeons than it was before, but the final boss take longer to kill. vMA is fine, please wear appropriate attire. Try nightmothers, vo and slimecraw and have fun giving fracture to everyone all at the same time. Power extraction is your friend. For single target fights I ditch it for hidden blade.

They changed the class. If all you do is take your old setup and go, you may have been nerffed something fierce. To avoid that, take a fresh look at the skills and how you approach fights. We aren't weak in pve.

Why people refuse to think and realize that what they offer is to sacrifice an existing, actually useful five-piece in order to regain something that class used to have - in other words, to throw away a full set simply to remain at the point where the class has been pre-nerf. It's like there are indefinite gear slots and one simply slaps on NMG without having to choose between that and the set that was in its place before.

Next time they'll decide to give shields a cast time, I'll simply say "just wear Iceheart, why wouldn't you" instead of pushing back against the nerfs.

But SA had single target fracture and NMG + power extraction is giving it out aoe.

Deathlord92 · May 2019

Drako_Ei wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Well if my stamblade unplayable then there’s nothing left for me in eso either way these nerfs suck so I’m cancelling my eso plus when Elsweyr comes to console I’m not supporting something I won’t enjoy.

Can i have your stuff?

Hehe I’m cancelling my eso plus because they are ruining the game for me I’m not quitting they just aren’t getting any support from me anymore 🙂

MartiniDaniels · May 2019

Colecovision wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

So they really did remove the npc stun from ambush

Yes, but it now gives minor vulnerability. Considering only trash used to get stunned, try this. Mark the trash, ambush, power extraction, killer blade. It's a buff.

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Colecovision wrote: »

For stamblade, it's easier to solo vet dungeons than it was before, but the final boss take longer to kill. vMA is fine, please wear appropriate attire. Try nightmothers, vo and slimecraw and have fun giving fracture to everyone all at the same time. Power extraction is your friend. For single target fights I ditch it for hidden blade.

They changed the class. If all you do is take your old setup and go, you may have been nerffed something fierce. To avoid that, take a fresh look at the skills and how you approach fights. We aren't weak in pve.

Why people refuse to think and realize that what they offer is to sacrifice an existing, actually useful five-piece in order to regain something that class used to have - in other words, to throw away a full set simply to remain at the point where the class has been pre-nerf. It's like there are indefinite gear slots and one simply slaps on NMG without having to choose between that and the set that was in its place before.

Next time they'll decide to give shields a cast time, I'll simply say "just wear Iceheart, why wouldn't you" instead of pushing back against the nerfs.

But SA had single target fracture and NMG + power extraction is giving it out aoe.

Do you actually tried all this? I tried some of this already, and I'll tell you results - it's all the same dps as if you keep new grim focus without changing anything. And where may ask, you will slot mark? Bars are optimized long ago and removing anything to slot mark will be another loss of damage.
They just ruined nightblade as a standalone dps class. New nightblade must sit in stack and wait until sorcs will put boss to 25%.