Pretty sure the devs not only know the PvP artifacts are OP, they broadcasted it in a stream that they're meant to be massively OP.

The Artifacts were introduced to be "Emperor Killers", in the dev's own words, so other opposing factions can have a chance to flip the tides. Is it going to end up getting abused sometimes? Sure. Everything has the potential to be abused no matter how you try to balance it. People find ways around it.

As stated earlier, people found an exploit and ran with it. It wasn't used as intended. And that's gonna happen. It doesn't necessarily mean the mechanic is inherently broken (though I'm sure it could use some adjustments), it just means where an advantage and exploits exist, someone will eventually find it and use it.

A pretty core trait of PvP does tend to be being opportunistic...

HellFlame wrote: »

Conduit0 wrote: »

Ah yes, complaints about zerging from the two sides that only know how to win by faction stacking.

Quite frankly i have to break it to you once your on equal pop you cant even hold BRK

Just name me a few good players in EP. Please do. I wanna hear those names and laugh.
90% of EP is just zerging the other 10% is PvD'ing keeps from behind when something else gets tagged.
Your not good players in all honesty. I know zerging might give you the impression that your awesome.

Its rather pathetic to elevate yourselves when you are only zerging and night capping.
Also you have to those awesome ball groups that join your zergs which makes me even laugh more.
You see that group in the screenshot that runs in front.

Its funny to see that your even too scared to chase me unless you have like 5-6 people.

Fight on equal pop? That would require you to not constantly team green, its hardly equal numbers when DC is coming from the west and AD is coming from the south at the same time. Also its AD that night caps regularly, in fact itd the only way they ever win a campaign. Like I said its hilarious to talk down about zerging when the only way you can hold ANY keep is stack your entire faction in it and then call your buddies on the other team to come back cap.

You're right, the artifact is terribly balanced and breaks Cyro for long periods of time. We knew that in the PTS, but ZOS claimed it was scaled for the cp campaign where it would break the frequent deadlocks there, and would work appropriately on the other campaigns. That turned out to be a lie. Ignore the naysayers in the thread, they're completely off-base, it's a massive isssue, and continuing to be vocal about it is important, so ZOS gets their act together and fixes it.

What did you think would happen on the first day of a new launch when many players haven't even set foot in Cyrodiil because they're leveling Necros?

Of course the faction with the largest population will zerg everything in sight vs. 2 or 3 bar pops, take scrolls, PvDoor, etc., because that's what has happened for the past 5 years?

As for what to do with the weapon, obviously things need to change, but can we at least get more than a 5 minute gut reaction on the first day when much of the PvP population isn;t even in cyrodiil to assess how to change it?

Haven't run into all this fun yet with the artifact, but like I called it when it was announced - totally the opposite of a counter to emp. Just adds more of the same problem.

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Gariele wrote: »

I was actually enjoying soaking up all the free AP, Follow the Hammer- Profit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If I manage to pick it up, I'm making sure I have VD on, and watch them all burst die

Well Vex, the issue is you’ll probably need 2 minutes to kill a simple gate NPC with the weapon. But you’ll feel like Thor when you finally encounter a Keep gate. Makes absolute sense. Not.

Coggo wrote: »

Just to clarify: can this "Emperor Killer" artifact be wielded by the faction who currently holds Emp and all its associated buffs?

Yes, but not by the player who curently is an emperor. Other ppl from that faction can use it.

All i will say is lol/lmao, this was foreseen by lots of peeps, artifact weapons have damaged other games out there and zos knew this, some have said this was abused because of the first day and low pops since alot are doing the new zone etc, i will call them out on that, that is the norm thing for the them to do in pvp. Also i Have heard that the emperor killer as they call it can be used by the same alliance that has emp, i do pvp alot and have not yet been in, but how can that then be an emperor killer if its on the same side as a the emp

@JamieAubrey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=252ZC6vI3fA&feature=youtu.be

There you go

this weapon is the biggest *** show on earth. premade team gets it? u loose the whole map and people log off because they dont wanna feed.

i nice method to keep servers empty...

Looks stupid to me. I'll stick to IC and BGs.

No. Enjoy.

Over the years, I've come to dislike the emp mechanic more and more--when you are emp and do well, it's expected/unimpressive, when you are emp and do poorly, you're a trash emp--you can't win, really, and it skews the gameplay experience in ways I'm not sure are healthy (to say nothing of the toxicity that often surrounds emp pushes).

I feel kinda the same way about this--if you do well holding the hammer, I'm sure it'll be fun (for a while), but really you aren't playing ESO PvP. You're playing a different, even more asymmetrical game.

Additionally, it contributes to the "snowball" effect that often happens in Cyro PvP--if your faction is dominant, you get more buffs (enemy keep buffs, scroll buffs, emp buffs) that allow you to be MORE dominant--and now you're likely to get the hammer, too! This makes sense from one perspective (we should be rewarded for doing well!) but not from another perspective (that the underdog needs help).

In theory the two factions who aren't doing as well should gang up on the one in first place/with emp/holding the map, but in practice nobody likes bashing their head into the wall for hours and making little progress, so often #2 and #3 turn on each other for scraps while #1 holds 4/6 emp keeps or some nonsense.