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To all of you upset for NA rawlkha guilds gone...
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Ri_Khan✭✭✭✭✭
✭This was all just a big stunt put on by those guilds in order to move into the new spots
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squinquargesimus✭✭✭the funniest thing about this are the people complaining about cartels tbh. like my dude, i joined etu back when the idea of making 50K a week had me go "gasp! wow! that's so much! one of the best weeks i've had! :OOO" and it was really, really, really easy to keep up with the requirements and make enough to start being able to afford whatever i wanted to buy.
but i guess complaining about ~cartels~ is way easier than just joining up when another spot frees up (which happens regularly) and acknowledging the fact that the GMs of the big guilds put in a ton of time and effort into making the guilds run well and an enjoyable and productive environment for the members ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (as is, you know, showcased by the fact that at least ETU's GM and depending on time zones the GMs or officers of the other big rawl guilds literally stayed up all night just so they could get their members a backup and not leave them hanging. and lo and behold, we're not screwed over by this -- small trading guilds who might have gotten those spots had this dude not just wasted literally 5 guild traders for this entire week were -- we're, at most, mildly annoyed, and mostly just vaguely amused.)
only a red rage shaped diamond-fashion, singing like a mindless dragon.20 -
BlazingDynamo✭✭✭✭✭squinquargesimus wrote: »Guys, it wasn't planned, it was really a situation of some dedicated troll (or group of) doing it to make some sort of statement about cartels and the GMs running to Rimmen asap to get a backup. It wouldn't have made sense to do that as some sort of publicity stunt, especially not when an xpac with tons of new stuff just dropped (and actually, early adopters do shop around this time and pay premium. idk why, but they do: source, me being able to sell new things for three times as much as they were worth two to three weeks earlier for both of the last chapters).
Looked like a very creative buthurt individual to me. Talk about dedication... Blood pressure thru the roof!
Still funny though, considering they also failed miserably after having succeed for such a brief period.
How did they fail? They got the whole fourms including you to talk about it. And we all know those guilds ain't going to make ad mucj gold as they would in their normal spots. On top of that the members pay their stupid high premium to secure a top tier spot and they failed. I hope they don't charge their members for this week.
I also hope this RIOT squad does this again. Good on them.
These greasy GMs sit back and charge out the butt and pocket the gold like crazy. You don't need to charge 500 members 10k a week to get a spot in town. As if theu spend 5,000,000 a week on that trader. They get it every week so you know most guilds don't bother bidding which allows them to drop the bid prove slowly resulting in more $$$ for the pocket.7 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭BlazingDynamo wrote: »squinquargesimus wrote: »Guys, it wasn't planned, it was really a situation of some dedicated troll (or group of) doing it to make some sort of statement about cartels and the GMs running to Rimmen asap to get a backup. It wouldn't have made sense to do that as some sort of publicity stunt, especially not when an xpac with tons of new stuff just dropped (and actually, early adopters do shop around this time and pay premium. idk why, but they do: source, me being able to sell new things for three times as much as they were worth two to three weeks earlier for both of the last chapters).
Looked like a very creative buthurt individual to me. Talk about dedication... Blood pressure thru the roof!
Still funny though, considering they also failed miserably after having succeed for such a brief period.
How did they fail? They got the whole fourms including you to talk about it. And we all know those guilds ain't going to make ad mucj gold as they would in their normal spots. On top of that the members pay their stupid high premium to secure a top tier spot and they failed. I hope they don't charge their members for this week.
I also hope this RIOT squad does this again. Good on them.
These greasy GMs sit back and charge out the butt and pocket the gold like crazy. You don't need to charge 500 members 10k a week to get a spot in town. As if theu spend 5,000,000 a week on that trader. They get it every week so you know most guilds don't bother bidding which allows them to drop the bid prove slowly resulting in more $$$ for the pocket.
You're right about getting us talking, but they still won't hurt these guilds at all. For me, personally, this was a funny stunt that will end up in nothing. Rather, it got 5 traders busy, pushing these guilds to other spots, meaning it trickled down to hurt the very small trading guilds this dude claims to be representing. For this patch week, 5 traders could be in 5 new trading guilds, but they won't be since they are out of commission, basically.
Now tell me... Funny as this was, how was this a success? Nah... Funny stunt tho. Got me giggling.Edited by ZonasArch on May 21, 2019 12:09AM10 -
Ri_Khan✭✭✭✭✭
✭So let's say this didn't happen last night and these guilds won their bids for their usual Rawl spots for another week, would they have been able to move into the new spots in Rimmen this morning?1 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So let's say this didn't happen last night and these guilds won their bids for their usual Rawl spots for another week, would they have been able to move into the new spots in Rimmen this morning?
No, only one trader in a week. Can't back off a bid, and you can only empty trader if you dissolve guild.3 -
CipherNine✭✭✭✭✭BlazingDynamo wrote: »squinquargesimus wrote: »Guys, it wasn't planned, it was really a situation of some dedicated troll (or group of) doing it to make some sort of statement about cartels and the GMs running to Rimmen asap to get a backup. It wouldn't have made sense to do that as some sort of publicity stunt, especially not when an xpac with tons of new stuff just dropped (and actually, early adopters do shop around this time and pay premium. idk why, but they do: source, me being able to sell new things for three times as much as they were worth two to three weeks earlier for both of the last chapters).
Looked like a very creative buthurt individual to me. Talk about dedication... Blood pressure thru the roof!
Still funny though, considering they also failed miserably after having succeed for such a brief period.
How did they fail? They got the whole fourms including you to talk about it. And we all know those guilds ain't going to make ad mucj gold as they would in their normal spots. On top of that the members pay their stupid high premium to secure a top tier spot and they failed. I hope they don't charge their members for this week.
I also hope this RIOT squad does this again. Good on them.
These greasy GMs sit back and charge out the butt and pocket the gold like crazy. You don't need to charge 500 members 10k a week to get a spot in town. As if theu spend 5,000,000 a week on that trader. They get it every week so you know most guilds don't bother bidding which allows them to drop the bid prove slowly resulting in more $$$ for the pocket.
Yup, then you have the white knights come running to the defense of this stupid system and the defense of the GM's. Acting like the GM's work sooooo hard for them. LOL total bs. They sit back and use all these people to just pocket millions of gold. working hard my ass. lol.PC-NA
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ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CipherNine wrote: »BlazingDynamo wrote: »squinquargesimus wrote: »Guys, it wasn't planned, it was really a situation of some dedicated troll (or group of) doing it to make some sort of statement about cartels and the GMs running to Rimmen asap to get a backup. It wouldn't have made sense to do that as some sort of publicity stunt, especially not when an xpac with tons of new stuff just dropped (and actually, early adopters do shop around this time and pay premium. idk why, but they do: source, me being able to sell new things for three times as much as they were worth two to three weeks earlier for both of the last chapters).
Looked like a very creative buthurt individual to me. Talk about dedication... Blood pressure thru the roof!
Still funny though, considering they also failed miserably after having succeed for such a brief period.
How did they fail? They got the whole fourms including you to talk about it. And we all know those guilds ain't going to make ad mucj gold as they would in their normal spots. On top of that the members pay their stupid high premium to secure a top tier spot and they failed. I hope they don't charge their members for this week.
I also hope this RIOT squad does this again. Good on them.
These greasy GMs sit back and charge out the butt and pocket the gold like crazy. You don't need to charge 500 members 10k a week to get a spot in town. As if theu spend 5,000,000 a week on that trader. They get it every week so you know most guilds don't bother bidding which allows them to drop the bid prove slowly resulting in more $$$ for the pocket.
Yup, then you have the white knights come running to the defense of this stupid system and the defense of the GM's. Acting like the GM's work sooooo hard for them. LOL total bs. They sit back and use all these people to just pocket millions of gold. working hard my ass. lol.
You've never managed a trading guild, have you? I know you haven't. Easy to tell :P29 -
CipherNine✭✭✭✭✭CipherNine wrote: »BlazingDynamo wrote: »squinquargesimus wrote: »Guys, it wasn't planned, it was really a situation of some dedicated troll (or group of) doing it to make some sort of statement about cartels and the GMs running to Rimmen asap to get a backup. It wouldn't have made sense to do that as some sort of publicity stunt, especially not when an xpac with tons of new stuff just dropped (and actually, early adopters do shop around this time and pay premium. idk why, but they do: source, me being able to sell new things for three times as much as they were worth two to three weeks earlier for both of the last chapters).
Looked like a very creative buthurt individual to me. Talk about dedication... Blood pressure thru the roof!
Still funny though, considering they also failed miserably after having succeed for such a brief period.
How did they fail? They got the whole fourms including you to talk about it. And we all know those guilds ain't going to make ad mucj gold as they would in their normal spots. On top of that the members pay their stupid high premium to secure a top tier spot and they failed. I hope they don't charge their members for this week.
I also hope this RIOT squad does this again. Good on them.
These greasy GMs sit back and charge out the butt and pocket the gold like crazy. You don't need to charge 500 members 10k a week to get a spot in town. As if theu spend 5,000,000 a week on that trader. They get it every week so you know most guilds don't bother bidding which allows them to drop the bid prove slowly resulting in more $$$ for the pocket.
Yup, then you have the white knights come running to the defense of this stupid system and the defense of the GM's. Acting like the GM's work sooooo hard for them. LOL total bs. They sit back and use all these people to just pocket millions of gold. working hard my ass. lol.
You've never managed a trading guild, have you? I know you haven't. Easy to tell :P
lol oh look there is an example. Nope I haven't and I don't need to. I led a guild in Final Fantasy 11, then WoW and Swtor.
i don't need to lead a trading guild to know exactly why any GM does it. It's a easy way to just use tons of people to pocket millions of gold. Wtf other reason would there be for anyone to want to create a trading guild?PC-NA
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ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CipherNine wrote: »CipherNine wrote: »BlazingDynamo wrote: »squinquargesimus wrote: »Guys, it wasn't planned, it was really a situation of some dedicated troll (or group of) doing it to make some sort of statement about cartels and the GMs running to Rimmen asap to get a backup. It wouldn't have made sense to do that as some sort of publicity stunt, especially not when an xpac with tons of new stuff just dropped (and actually, early adopters do shop around this time and pay premium. idk why, but they do: source, me being able to sell new things for three times as much as they were worth two to three weeks earlier for both of the last chapters).
Looked like a very creative buthurt individual to me. Talk about dedication... Blood pressure thru the roof!
Still funny though, considering they also failed miserably after having succeed for such a brief period.
How did they fail? They got the whole fourms including you to talk about it. And we all know those guilds ain't going to make ad mucj gold as they would in their normal spots. On top of that the members pay their stupid high premium to secure a top tier spot and they failed. I hope they don't charge their members for this week.
I also hope this RIOT squad does this again. Good on them.
These greasy GMs sit back and charge out the butt and pocket the gold like crazy. You don't need to charge 500 members 10k a week to get a spot in town. As if theu spend 5,000,000 a week on that trader. They get it every week so you know most guilds don't bother bidding which allows them to drop the bid prove slowly resulting in more $$$ for the pocket.
Yup, then you have the white knights come running to the defense of this stupid system and the defense of the GM's. Acting like the GM's work sooooo hard for them. LOL total bs. They sit back and use all these people to just pocket millions of gold. working hard my ass. lol.
You've never managed a trading guild, have you? I know you haven't. Easy to tell :P
lol oh look there is an example. Nope I haven't and I don't need to. I led a guild in Final Fantasy 11, then WoW and Swtor.
i don't need to lead a trading guild to know exactly why any GM does it. It's a easy way to just use tons of people to pocket millions of gold. Wtf other reason would there be for anyone to want to create a trading guild?
Good thing your mind is so closed, I don't need to bother answering.16 -
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✭✭✭CipherNine wrote: »I think it's hilarious. I love seeing the cartel i mean the top few trading guilds get screwed over. Sick of their monopolies anyway. Just proof how this games guild store system sucks.
If I was a very rich person. I would create 5 trade guilds and just keep buying millions and millions of gold. Then keep buying out their trade spots and let anyone join them with very low requirements that's very easy to for fill to stay in the guilds.
In other words... become one of them.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CipherNine wrote: »CipherNine wrote: »BlazingDynamo wrote: »squinquargesimus wrote: »Guys, it wasn't planned, it was really a situation of some dedicated troll (or group of) doing it to make some sort of statement about cartels and the GMs running to Rimmen asap to get a backup. It wouldn't have made sense to do that as some sort of publicity stunt, especially not when an xpac with tons of new stuff just dropped (and actually, early adopters do shop around this time and pay premium. idk why, but they do: source, me being able to sell new things for three times as much as they were worth two to three weeks earlier for both of the last chapters).
Looked like a very creative buthurt individual to me. Talk about dedication... Blood pressure thru the roof!
Still funny though, considering they also failed miserably after having succeed for such a brief period.
How did they fail? They got the whole fourms including you to talk about it. And we all know those guilds ain't going to make ad mucj gold as they would in their normal spots. On top of that the members pay their stupid high premium to secure a top tier spot and they failed. I hope they don't charge their members for this week.
I also hope this RIOT squad does this again. Good on them.
These greasy GMs sit back and charge out the butt and pocket the gold like crazy. You don't need to charge 500 members 10k a week to get a spot in town. As if theu spend 5,000,000 a week on that trader. They get it every week so you know most guilds don't bother bidding which allows them to drop the bid prove slowly resulting in more $$$ for the pocket.
Yup, then you have the white knights come running to the defense of this stupid system and the defense of the GM's. Acting like the GM's work sooooo hard for them. LOL total bs. They sit back and use all these people to just pocket millions of gold. working hard my ass. lol.
You've never managed a trading guild, have you? I know you haven't. Easy to tell :P
lol oh look there is an example. Nope I haven't and I don't need to. I led a guild in Final Fantasy 11, then WoW and Swtor.
i don't need to lead a trading guild to know exactly why any GM does it. It's a easy way to just use tons of people to pocket millions of gold. Wtf other reason would there be for anyone to want to create a trading guild?
Because they enjoy doing it. Simple as that. The trade guild I am in is very transparent about how much gold comes in and out. The officers spend a lot of their game time organizing raffles, auctions, contests, events and on top of that keep a trader for us to use each week.
This stunt was just that, a stunt. It wasn't a protest nor a demonstration. It was a stunt that will have little or no impact beyond what is taking place in these forums. It accomplished nothing in game except to deny five small guilds a chance at a trader.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."13 -
disintegr8✭✭✭✭✭
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Why should anyone care if a GM does or doesn't rake in gold?CipherNine wrote: »CipherNine wrote: »BlazingDynamo wrote: »squinquargesimus wrote: »Guys, it wasn't planned, it was really a situation of some dedicated troll (or group of) doing it to make some sort of statement about cartels and the GMs running to Rimmen asap to get a backup. It wouldn't have made sense to do that as some sort of publicity stunt, especially not when an xpac with tons of new stuff just dropped (and actually, early adopters do shop around this time and pay premium. idk why, but they do: source, me being able to sell new things for three times as much as they were worth two to three weeks earlier for both of the last chapters).
Looked like a very creative buthurt individual to me. Talk about dedication... Blood pressure thru the roof!
Still funny though, considering they also failed miserably after having succeed for such a brief period.
How did they fail? They got the whole fourms including you to talk about it. And we all know those guilds ain't going to make ad mucj gold as they would in their normal spots. On top of that the members pay their stupid high premium to secure a top tier spot and they failed. I hope they don't charge their members for this week.
I also hope this RIOT squad does this again. Good on them.
These greasy GMs sit back and charge out the butt and pocket the gold like crazy. You don't need to charge 500 members 10k a week to get a spot in town. As if theu spend 5,000,000 a week on that trader. They get it every week so you know most guilds don't bother bidding which allows them to drop the bid prove slowly resulting in more $$$ for the pocket.
Yup, then you have the white knights come running to the defense of this stupid system and the defense of the GM's. Acting like the GM's work sooooo hard for them. LOL total bs. They sit back and use all these people to just pocket millions of gold. working hard my ass. lol.
You've never managed a trading guild, have you? I know you haven't. Easy to tell :P
lol oh look there is an example. Nope I haven't and I don't need to. I led a guild in Final Fantasy 11, then WoW and Swtor.
i don't need to lead a trading guild to know exactly why any GM does it. It's a easy way to just use tons of people to pocket millions of gold. Wtf other reason would there be for anyone to want to create a trading guild?
I am happy to pay whatever fee I need to to remain in a strong trading guild, content in the knowledge that whatever I list will actually sell. I get my fee back in one sale and sell what I want to when I want to.
Doesn't make any difference to me if the GM has 10 gold or 100 million gold. I still have more gold than I need but if people want to buy stuff instead of farming it, that is their problem and I will sell to them.Australian on PS4 NA server.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion.11 -
CipherNine✭✭✭✭✭Because they enjoy doing it. Simple as that. The trade guild I am in is very transparent about how much gold comes in and out. The officers spend a lot of their game time organizing raffles, auctions, contests, events and on top of that keep a trader for us to use each week.
This stunt was just that, a stunt. It wasn't a protest nor a demonstration. It was a stunt that will have little or no impact beyond what is taking place in these forums. It accomplished nothing in game except to deny five small guilds a chance at a trader.
Oh enough with this nonsense and bs deflective argument that any of the small guilds ever had a chance at those spots. They had 0 chance. There is a reason there is a monopoly on all the best spots in the game.
Yeah it's like you said..The "officers" spend there game time organizing all that. My point is people acting its the GM's working so hard for them. Sure working hard pocketing 100's of millions of gold.Edited by CipherNine on May 21, 2019 12:57AMPC-NA
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hiyde✭✭✭✭✭
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...sigh...
I'll never understand the need for some people to fling poo, lie and outright invent false narratives about people they don't even know. This note isn't intended for those writing this drivel, but for those reading it.
To those reading this sort of garbage - as always, judge for yourself. Note that actual examples of these horrible trade guild GMs are few and far between.
While I'm here, allow me to correct the record on a few things:
If not to make 100's of millions of gold on the backs of guild members, why would anyone do this?
To help people enjoy the game? Something my guild has been doing in MMOs since 2008 and I've personally been doing since the days of Prodigy, Compuserve and MSN Gaming Zone (google 'em young ppl lol). I earn what gold I have just like everyone else: Selling items in the guild store that I farm.
I can't think of a *worse* return on time invested than running a busy trade guild.
Events, Creating Raffles, processing tickets, drawing winners, Securing Auction Items, Hosting Auctions, Processing Payments, Mailing Auction Items, Hosting Events, Managing Bids, Purging, Recruiting, Discord, Website, Peacemaker, Tutoring, Bidding, Securing filling and managing a guild house and so much more.
For those who've run guilds in other games, running a *trading* guild is a different animal and requires so much more time.
The Elsweyr/Rimmen Kiosks
It is correct that if the Rawl Troll hadn't happened, those 4 spots would have been available to other guilds, basically for free (10k) this week. They were first come, first served buy me now for 10k this morning.
#BoycottMainGuilds
Hey, shop where you want, that's fine. But I don't understand the animosity here. What is a "main" guild, anyway?
Yes, there are bad apples (and those usually get weeded out pretty fast) but by and large, trade guild GMs and Officers do this because they enjoy helping others enjoy the game. I'm amazed and grateful to have so many wonderful people that co-run our guild with me as well as friendships I have with GMs and Officers in other guilds. Perhaps get to know some before you just make up nonsense?
@Hiyde GM/Founder - Bleakrock Barter Co (Trade Guild - PC/NA) | Blackbriar Barter Co (Trade Guild-PC/NA)38 -
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✭Hexquisite wrote: »
That's what I said lol BMW the guild I'm in got one in a new spot and the kicker it only cost 10k as it's never been bidder on prior so there was no bid lol first come first serveIGN: Ki'rah
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Anslay✭✭✭The reason there's a "monopoly" on success has nothing to do with a monopoly and everything to do with leadership. Like many other GMs, I deeply care about the people and the communities and work very hard to help others be successful. Yes, a huge effort is put forward to keep our favorite trading location with high bids weekly, but we also teach people how to build wealth to better their gaming experience, host wonderful contests with big prizes, offer community days where we make free gear for new and returning players, support charity events to help the server thrive, host art, housing, and writing contests for our members. When I'm out recruiting and someone says they're new, I send them a "Welcome to ESO" packet with usually some gold and xp pots, shockingly this is not because I'm a greedy gold monger that wants to feed off of people, but because I genuinely care that new players to this game feel welcomed! I've worked at this since just after game launch more than 5 years ago and it has never been easy to run a trading guild in this game. It has been a tremendous gold, cash, time, and energy sink, but I do it because I enjoy building a place and community that enhances all of our recreation time.
This image a fat cat is not at all the life of luxury I've lived in this game, maybe there's a different experience in other games, but not here. ZOS has put us through varying challenging game mechanics from a blind bid system that published your bid where your competitors could plant someone in your guild to either see it outright (I think it was this way for a couple of years) or calculate it out (revision that still didn't help) so every week you had to be concerned with spies in your guild, yet still need to carry on and run a guild that is strong enough to create some type of successful bidding strategy. Oh, we also had the great fun of the horrific maintenance windows overlapping trader flip where you not only had to bid at the last seconds before the servers went down at 4am, but had to sit there and wait for hours in case they came back up in between that and trader flip at 7 or 8am Monday morning to keep your guild from getting sniped. That was SUPER FUN... just imagine someone feeding me grapes in the lap of luxury while I lost sleep and had to go to work in the morning after. Most of us have been here a long time and our bids were transparent to our guilds for YEARS and the things you state are just simply things we never do, have never done, or will never do.
The guilds that are the most successful have built in transparency to other trusted players to ensure ethical choices are made.
In short, everyone has personal choices to make, but I am fairly sick of the bashing blanket statements without information and having my motives questioned when I know very clearly what I and many other amazing guild leaders in this game work tirelessly to provide.GM Ethereal Traders Union | Ethereal Traders Union II61 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The reason there's a "monopoly" on success has nothing to do with a monopoly and everything to do with leadership. Like many other GMs, I deeply care about the people and the communities and work very hard to help others be successful. Yes, a huge effort is put forward to keep our favorite trading location with high bids weekly, but we also teach people how to build wealth to better their gaming experience, host wonderful contests with big prizes, offer community days where we make free gear for new and returning players, support charity events to help the server thrive, host art, housing, and writing contests for our members. When I'm out recruiting and someone says they're new, I send them a "Welcome to ESO" packet with usually some gold and xp pots, shockingly this is not because I'm a greedy gold monger that wants to feed off of people, but because I genuinely care that new players to this game feel welcomed! I've worked at this since just after game launch more than 5 years ago and it has never been easy to run a trading guild in this game. It has been a tremendous gold, cash, time, and energy sink, but I do it because I enjoy building a place and community that enhances all of our recreation time.
This image a fat cat is not at all the life of luxury I've lived in this game, maybe there's a different experience in other games, but not here. ZOS has put us through varying challenging game mechanics from a blind bid system that published your bid where your competitors could plant someone in your guild to either see it outright (I think it was this way for a couple of years) or calculate it out (revision that still didn't help) so every week you had to be concerned with spies in your guild, yet still need to carry on and run a guild that is strong enough to create some type of successful bidding strategy. Oh, we also had the great fun of the horrific maintenance windows overlapping trader flip where you not only had to bid at the last seconds before the servers went down at 4am, but had to sit there and wait for hours in case they came back up in between that and trader flip at 7 or 8am Monday morning to keep your guild from getting sniped. That was SUPER FUN... just imagine someone feeding me grapes in the lap of luxury while I lost sleep and had to go to work in the morning after. Most of us have been here a long time and our bids were transparent to our guilds for YEARS and the things you state are just simply things we never do, have never done, or will never do.
The guilds that are the most successful have built in transparency to other trusted players to ensure ethical choices are made.
In short, everyone has personal choices to make, but I am fairly sick of the bashing blanket statements without information and having my motives questioned when I know very clearly what I and many other amazing guild leaders in this game work tirelessly to provide.
It's like I pointed out... If they had ever done it, they'd know. That simple.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'd just like to point out that Anslay is the frigging best GM ever. She's CONSTANTLY donating a TON of time and a TON of gold to the guild because she treats us all like family. She's also an incredibly good friend.
For those accusing her of being unethical, or shady, or part of some Deep Trade cabal, you honestly don't know what the heck you're talking about. Like, seriously, when you say stuff like that, all I see is "I listen to Alex Jones religiously!"
Hint: listening to Alex Jones is not a good thing.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.20 -
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✭✭✭People are claiming that they cannot imagine gms being altruistic and doing this without getting any gold or something else out of it personally. If you can't imagine it, it says you've probably never done anything purely out of kindness and caring about others in your life. Think on that a bit.39 -
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✭StabbityDoom wrote: »People are claiming that they cannot imagine gms being altruistic and doing this without getting any gold or something else out of it personally. If you can't imagine it, it says you've probably never done anything purely out of kindness and caring about others in your life. Think on that a bit.
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@Hiyde GM/Founder - Bleakrock Barter Co (Trade Guild - PC/NA) | Blackbriar Barter Co (Trade Guild-PC/NA)11 -
Karraxx✭✭✭Another thing people don't seem to understand is running a successful trade guild, or any guild for that matter, effectively requires the effort of a full time job with no pay, yet people do it because they enjoy it.Officer - Bleakrock Barter Co/Blackbriar Barter coResident Bacon Enthusiast and Salt FactoryI livestream ESO and occasionally other stuff on https://www.twitch.tv/karraxx/16 -
Cously✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have to say I hated not having a universal auction house at first. Complaining about it wouldn't make me gold so I joined ETU. The fee looked hefty at first but then I made easily 10 times it a week that I no longer considered it an expense. On top of that the guild offers opportunities to earn money with raffles, to get great items at auctions and countless events related to pvp, pve and even housing! So I see it like a club, and let me tell you, free clubs suck. Anyone with half a brain realizes that a club have an upkeep and its members have to pony up with the membership. I get my money's worth definately.
Also you cannot blame the players. You have to blame the rules. If you are so upset at the current trade guild situation you should complain at ZOS. These guild leaders are doing their best with what they got to work with. Funny that now even if we had a universal AH I would not leave the trading guild because of all other benefits it offers, did I mention a guild hall with all sets? Thank all the players who went to the stress to form these awesome communities. I lead a small guild and have a lot in my hands I can't imagine what they have to go through with 500 members and so much micro management needed.
I believe the game would be poorer without trading guilds. One key aspect of keeping a mmo alive is the guild system. ESO has a lot to improve and diversify yet but it's on the right path. Whatever side you think now, it is too late to remove this feature.15 -
Anslay✭✭✭I have to say I hated not having a universal auction house at first. Complaining about it wouldn't make me gold so I joined ETU. The fee looked hefty at first but then I made easily 10 times it a week that I no longer considered it an expense. On top of that the guild offers opportunities to earn money with raffles, to get great items at auctions and countless events related to pvp, pve and even housing! So I see it like a club, and let me tell you, free clubs suck. Anyone with half a brain realizes that a club have an upkeep and its members have to pony up with the membership. I get my money's worth definately.
Also you cannot blame the players. You have to blame the rules. If you are so upset at the current trade guild situation you should complain at ZOS. These guild leaders are doing their best with what they got to work with. Funny that now even if we had a universal AH I would not leave the trading guild because of all other benefits it offers, did I mention a guild hall with all sets? Thank all the players who went to the stress to form these awesome communities. I lead a small guild and have a lot in my hands I can't imagine what they have to go through with 500 members and so much micro management needed.
I believe the game would be poorer without trading guilds. One key aspect of keeping a mmo alive is the guild system. ESO has a lot to improve and diversify yet but it's on the right path. Whatever side you think now, it is too late to remove this feature.
Thank you for sharing your thoughtful words to help people understand.GM Ethereal Traders Union | Ethereal Traders Union II6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭And how exactly did they all make it to Rimmen?
That would imply that they all had a "fallback" shill bid going in Rimmen ...
PS: The more i think about this, the more i like the R.I.O.T.S. takeover in Rawl'kha
Impossible, they were just there first to bid on empty traders. I even did it during pts.3 -
StabbityDoom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭And how exactly did they all make it to Rimmen?
That would imply that they all had a "fallback" shill bid going in Rimmen ...
PS: The more i think about this, the more i like the R.I.O.T.S. takeover in Rawl'kha
Impossible, they were just there first to bid on empty traders. I even did it during pts.
They stayed up all night and ran for the traders as soon as they got in.
Yet another display of caring. Those who are in guilds with great gms know. Anyone who has ever been an officer knows. Anyone salt mining like rawlka dude and those praising him or calling it funny are not ever going to get it.
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✭✭✭✭✭Every well-run trade guild has multiple back plans in case their spot is ganked. They are well-prepared.
Has it not occurred to anyone that Rawl trade guilds didn't need to conspire to move to a different spot -- particularly a hub with no spots claimed?
The conspiracy theories are pure salt.Edited by zyk on May 21, 2019 4:05PM12
