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Lightning or inferno VMA staff?
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mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Here is the thing though, you can parse a 50k on a 3 mil dummy with either of those vma staves on the back bar.
MagSorcerers have a huge sustain problem too, which is why a vma lightning staff helps as heavy attacking while off balance gets you twice the resources back.
I have a mag sorc I've been playing on lately, cp 250, and is having no real sustain issues using dual inferno --- maybe one heavy attack every 5th or 6th rotation, longer if getting fed resources.
On a 3 mil or 6 mil dummy? And what dps?
Live fight, not dummy tested, CMX parse around 16-18k in Vet2 Dungeons currently (single target, last fight was on Valkyn Skoria/CoA2) but also still working on it's gear; it's a pet project account, so no helping it from other account/new player experience --- so it's in research stages on gear, managed to luckily get it's illambris, no gold gear, alter, using blue food and shadow mundus. Gear "Sets" at the moment are illambris and destruction mastery, no second set yet (working on getting enough up for julianos or farming a set). Enchants are currently 1 spell damage, 2 recovery (neither legendary yet), weapon not gold. Mages guild only rank 6 at the moment, so no extra recovery from any of the skills there, though that will be nice and may let me drop 1 of the recoveries.
There's a cute little trick you can use here, in Dark Conversion --- hit Surge>Conversion>Wall>Liquid; by time you bar switch you're back to full magicka, so you are starting your front bar rotation on a full bar. Re-apply every 2nd rotation with Surge>Dark>Wall>Liquid, and pot as it's up. Works very well to keep the sustain up for the slight delay.
Waiting eagerly for more CP and golded weapons to see it perform even better, but sustain is not an issue at all with that backbar rotation, you lose 1 LA on while on backbar (Wall>Liquid) every 2nd rotation.
More cp and gilded weapons won't help much extra damage with your rotation, or that 'trick' gimping it.Edited by mairwen85 on May 20, 2019 1:50PM0 -
Vajrak✭✭✭Here is the thing though, you can parse a 50k on a 3 mil dummy with either of those vma staves on the back bar.
MagSorcerers have a huge sustain problem too, which is why a vma lightning staff helps as heavy attacking while off balance gets you twice the resources back.
I have a mag sorc I've been playing on lately, cp 250, and is having no real sustain issues using dual inferno --- maybe one heavy attack every 5th or 6th rotation, longer if getting fed resources.
On a 3 mil or 6 mil dummy? And what dps?
Live fight, not dummy tested, CMX parse around 16-18k in Vet2 Dungeons currently (single target, last fight was on Valkyn Skoria/CoA2) but also still working on it's gear; it's a pet project account, so no helping it from other account/new player experience --- so it's in research stages on gear, managed to luckily get it's illambris, no gold gear, alter, using blue food and shadow mundus. Gear "Sets" at the moment are illambris and destruction mastery, no second set yet (working on getting enough up for julianos or farming a set). Enchants are currently 1 spell damage, 2 recovery (neither legendary yet), weapon not gold. Mages guild only rank 6 at the moment, so no extra recovery from any of the skills there, though that will be nice and may let me drop 1 of the recoveries.
There's a cute little trick you can use here, in Dark Conversion --- hit Surge>Conversion>Wall>Liquid; by time you bar switch you're back to full magicka, so you are starting your front bar rotation on a full bar. Re-apply every 2nd rotation with Surge>Dark>Wall>Liquid, and pot as it's up. Works very well to keep the sustain up for the slight delay.
Waiting eagerly for more CP and golded weapons to see it perform even better, but sustain is not an issue at all with that backbar rotation, you lose 1 LA on while on backbar (Wall>Liquid) every 2nd rotation.
More cp and gilded weapons won't help much extra damage with rotation, or that 'trick' gimping it.
So fully maximized attributes (which will put the magicka on the build over 40k), full legendary upgrades on enchants (~300 more spell damage), the extra spell damage on weapon and on enchant from infused backbar (~700 more Spell Damage there), more penetration, % boost on magic damage, direct damage, dots won't raise the overall dps of a build...
Please, explain to me how 1000 more spell damage, about 3000 more max magicka, and 20% more crit damage won't raise the dps of a rotation, not to mention actually getting points into magicka recovery to raise it's sustain and spread out the usage of the class magicka restore even further, which means less dead windows, especially with the removal of the current live lag on skills going away today.0 -
siddique✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Here is the thing though, you can parse a 50k on a 3 mil dummy with either of those vma staves on the back bar.
MagSorcerers have a huge sustain problem too, which is why a vma lightning staff helps as heavy attacking while off balance gets you twice the resources back.
I have a mag sorc I've been playing on lately, cp 250, and is having no real sustain issues using dual inferno --- maybe one heavy attack every 5th or 6th rotation, longer if getting fed resources.
On a 3 mil or 6 mil dummy? And what dps?
Live fight, not dummy tested, CMX parse around 16-18k in Vet2 Dungeons currently (single target, last fight was on Valkyn Skoria/CoA2) but also still working on it's gear; it's a pet project account, so no helping it from other account/new player experience --- so it's in research stages on gear, managed to luckily get it's illambris, no gold gear, alter, using blue food and shadow mundus. Gear "Sets" at the moment are illambris and destruction mastery, no second set yet (working on getting enough up for julianos or farming a set). Enchants are currently 1 spell damage, 2 recovery (neither legendary yet), weapon not gold. Mages guild only rank 6 at the moment, so no extra recovery from any of the skills there, though that will be nice and may let me drop 1 of the recoveries.
There's a cute little trick you can use here, in Dark Conversion --- hit Surge>Conversion>Wall>Liquid; by time you bar switch you're back to full magicka, so you are starting your front bar rotation on a full bar. Re-apply every 2nd rotation with Surge>Dark>Wall>Liquid, and pot as it's up. Works very well to keep the sustain up for the slight delay.
Waiting eagerly for more CP and golded weapons to see it perform even better, but sustain is not an issue at all with that backbar rotation, you lose 1 LA on while on backbar (Wall>Liquid) every 2nd rotation.
Ah, you'll see sustain becomes a big problem once you are trying to push beyond 45k on a 3 or a 6 million dummy."Knee-jerk reactionist."
Lost Depths, 2015-2022.0 -
Vajrak✭✭✭Here is the thing though, you can parse a 50k on a 3 mil dummy with either of those vma staves on the back bar.
MagSorcerers have a huge sustain problem too, which is why a vma lightning staff helps as heavy attacking while off balance gets you twice the resources back.
I have a mag sorc I've been playing on lately, cp 250, and is having no real sustain issues using dual inferno --- maybe one heavy attack every 5th or 6th rotation, longer if getting fed resources.
On a 3 mil or 6 mil dummy? And what dps?
Live fight, not dummy tested, CMX parse around 16-18k in Vet2 Dungeons currently (single target, last fight was on Valkyn Skoria/CoA2) but also still working on it's gear; it's a pet project account, so no helping it from other account/new player experience --- so it's in research stages on gear, managed to luckily get it's illambris, no gold gear, alter, using blue food and shadow mundus. Gear "Sets" at the moment are illambris and destruction mastery, no second set yet (working on getting enough up for julianos or farming a set). Enchants are currently 1 spell damage, 2 recovery (neither legendary yet), weapon not gold. Mages guild only rank 6 at the moment, so no extra recovery from any of the skills there, though that will be nice and may let me drop 1 of the recoveries.
There's a cute little trick you can use here, in Dark Conversion --- hit Surge>Conversion>Wall>Liquid; by time you bar switch you're back to full magicka, so you are starting your front bar rotation on a full bar. Re-apply every 2nd rotation with Surge>Dark>Wall>Liquid, and pot as it's up. Works very well to keep the sustain up for the slight delay.
Waiting eagerly for more CP and golded weapons to see it perform even better, but sustain is not an issue at all with that backbar rotation, you lose 1 LA on while on backbar (Wall>Liquid) every 2nd rotation.
Ah, you'll see sustain becomes a big problem once you are trying to push beyond 45k on a 3 or a 6 million dummy.
It hasn't been a problem on my over 810cp account on a 6M dummy, I don't see why it would suddenly become a problem on the second account as I approach -- the overall difference being my main is all bretons (even before the racial updates). The second account, as noted, is an altmer, so we'll see when it gets there.0 -
siddique✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Here is the thing though, you can parse a 50k on a 3 mil dummy with either of those vma staves on the back bar.
MagSorcerers have a huge sustain problem too, which is why a vma lightning staff helps as heavy attacking while off balance gets you twice the resources back.
I have a mag sorc I've been playing on lately, cp 250, and is having no real sustain issues using dual inferno --- maybe one heavy attack every 5th or 6th rotation, longer if getting fed resources.
On a 3 mil or 6 mil dummy? And what dps?
Live fight, not dummy tested, CMX parse around 16-18k in Vet2 Dungeons currently (single target, last fight was on Valkyn Skoria/CoA2) but also still working on it's gear; it's a pet project account, so no helping it from other account/new player experience --- so it's in research stages on gear, managed to luckily get it's illambris, no gold gear, alter, using blue food and shadow mundus. Gear "Sets" at the moment are illambris and destruction mastery, no second set yet (working on getting enough up for julianos or farming a set). Enchants are currently 1 spell damage, 2 recovery (neither legendary yet), weapon not gold. Mages guild only rank 6 at the moment, so no extra recovery from any of the skills there, though that will be nice and may let me drop 1 of the recoveries.
There's a cute little trick you can use here, in Dark Conversion --- hit Surge>Conversion>Wall>Liquid; by time you bar switch you're back to full magicka, so you are starting your front bar rotation on a full bar. Re-apply every 2nd rotation with Surge>Dark>Wall>Liquid, and pot as it's up. Works very well to keep the sustain up for the slight delay.
Waiting eagerly for more CP and golded weapons to see it perform even better, but sustain is not an issue at all with that backbar rotation, you lose 1 LA on while on backbar (Wall>Liquid) every 2nd rotation.
Ah, you'll see sustain becomes a big problem once you are trying to push beyond 45k on a 3 or a 6 million dummy.
It hasn't been a problem on my over 810cp account on a 6M dummy, I don't see why it would suddenly become a problem on the second account as I approach -- the overall difference being my main is all bretons (even before the racial updates). The second account, as noted, is an altmer, so we'll see when it gets there.
Breton works better than Altmer. But I'll give it to you, you are the first person I've come across who thinks sustain on a magsorc isn't an issue.
If it works for you, good job."Knee-jerk reactionist."
Lost Depths, 2015-2022.0 -
siddique✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have all gold gear, including all weapons except one necklace which is purple. Zaan monster set, Siroria on body and MS on Jewelry and Weapons.
Inferno Front bar
VMA inferno back bar
Avg dps: 38k
Replace back bar with VMA lightning back bar
Avg dps: 42k
I think I'm just way too used to a lightning staff."Knee-jerk reactionist."
Lost Depths, 2015-2022.1 -
Vajrak✭✭✭It may be that you are keeping a tighter rotation with the lightning over the inferno, resulting in better uptime -- the visual on lightning is much easier to see than the mood-lightning ground glow from inferno. Also could be possible you are getting much greater minor vulnerability uptime (especially if the vMA is charged instead of infused).
If you have another level 50 mag dps to check against, would be helpful in figuring out if that differential is because of sorc passive outperforming or just your own comfort/rotation variance between the two visual cues...rough math at a glance, but that looks to be around a 10% gain.0