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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »
Stamblades on live are not weak what noob thinks that lol it’s like saying pet sorcs needs a buff 😂Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »I love magblade an
That 20% damage buff means nothing if your fighting a stam dk like el lobo with 40k resistances and all kinds of nasty dots along with defile good tanky players will be a problem now for stamblades im not saying unbeatable just incredibly hard to kill.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
I sometimes feel like forum opinions come from the twilight zone.
Yup, just like the opinion that stamNBs on live are weak.
For example the person I quoted. But read for yourself.grannas211 wrote: »@Iskiab
Not technically resetting, but practically resetting the dodge fatigue window. Shadowy Disguise lasts 2.9 seconds. So it narrows down the fatigue window considerably, a second cloak essentially resets it because you can dodge roll for the initial cost again. Hence why Shade, Cloak and rolling are so powerful.
I know Shade is bugged for months now, and they should fix it. But one can’t say with a straight eye the synergy between cloak and dodge rolling is weak.
Use an aoe, there's no reason a NB should be able to stay in cloak for 3 seconds against a competent player.
It wastes a bar slot. And is useless vs Shade. But whatever, I see I won’t convince you that stamNB isn’t weak.
AoE is a waste of a bar slot? Do you actually pvp outside the forums? I think that rates as one of the silliest forum posts I’ve ever read.
Are you really trying to say stamblade is weak?
Right now on live, yea I would say so. I primarily pvp in cyrodiil no-CP and BGs, I think I saw one do well once called sneaky or something like that, otherwise yea they’re on the weaker side.
[...]Sandman929 wrote: »After all the posts joking about how they were probably trying to shoehorn in some dumb way to keep this original bad idea alive, that's exactly what they went and did.
Now it's a officially a NB nerf and still a dumb idea. NBs were fine, the other classes needed some attention.
Err, what? What class was in a worse spot then NB for pvp?
The general consensus from best on worst on live is:
Stamwarden, Magsorc
MagWarden, MagDK
StamDK, Stamsorc
Templars
Nightblades
Then opinions change depending on some people who need to L2P and blame the class for their own failures. I see tons of classes and players, I don’t play a stamblade and think it’s underpowered, I say they’re terrible from seeing how they perform.
If Stamblades are dominating show me one. Give me just one name of a stamblade who’s dominating outside duels in pvp.
The only place Stamblades are dominating is on the forums. BGs? No. Cyrodiil? No.
How can they be dominating if I haven’t been successfully ganked by a stamblade in months.
I don’t even play a stamblade. I’m saying what I see as someone who actually pvp’s. What are you guys? The only people they’re strong against are pvp noobs who haven’t learned to play yet.Edited by Iskiab on May 17, 2019 4:45PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten4 -
Deathlord92✭✭✭✭✭
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On live stamblades are fine there isn’t a player I can’t kill I only play stamblade they certainly don’t need a buff but they don’t deserve all these nerfs either they should just been left alone and maybe buff the other classes a little except from mag sorcs of course they are already on stamblade lvChilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »
Stamblades on live are not weak what noob thinks that lol it’s like saying pet sorcs needs a buff 😂Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »I love magblade an
That 20% damage buff means nothing if your fighting a stam dk like el lobo with 40k resistances and all kinds of nasty dots along with defile good tanky players will be a problem now for stamblades im not saying unbeatable just incredibly hard to kill.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
I sometimes feel like forum opinions come from the twilight zone.
Yup, just like the opinion that stamNBs on live are weak.
For example the person I quoted. But read for yourself.grannas211 wrote: »@Iskiab
Not technically resetting, but practically resetting the dodge fatigue window. Shadowy Disguise lasts 2.9 seconds. So it narrows down the fatigue window considerably, a second cloak essentially resets it because you can dodge roll for the initial cost again. Hence why Shade, Cloak and rolling are so powerful.
I know Shade is bugged for months now, and they should fix it. But one can’t say with a straight eye the synergy between cloak and dodge rolling is weak.
Use an aoe, there's no reason a NB should be able to stay in cloak for 3 seconds against a competent player.
It wastes a bar slot. And is useless vs Shade. But whatever, I see I won’t convince you that stamNB isn’t weak.
AoE is a waste of a bar slot? Do you actually pvp outside the forums? I think that rates as one of the silliest forum posts I’ve ever read.
Are you really trying to say stamblade is weak?
Right now on live, yea I would say so. I primarily pvp in cyrodiil no-CP and BGs, I think I saw one do well once called sneaky or something like that, otherwise yea they’re on the weaker side.
[...]Sandman929 wrote: »After all the posts joking about how they were probably trying to shoehorn in some dumb way to keep this original bad idea alive, that's exactly what they went and did.
Now it's a officially a NB nerf and still a dumb idea. NBs were fine, the other classes needed some attention.
Err, what? What class was in a worse spot then NB for pvp?
The general consensus from best on worst on live is:
Stamwarden, Magsorc
MagWarden, MagDK
StamDK, Stamsorc
Templars
Nightblades
Then opinions change depending on some people who need to L2P and blame the class for their own failures. I see tons of classes and players, I don’t play a stamblade and think it’s underpowered, I say they’re terrible from seeing how they perform.
If Stamblades are dominating show me one. Give me just one name of a stamblade who’s dominating outside duels in pvp.
The only place Stamblades are dominating is on the forums. BGs? No. Cyrodiil? No.
How can they be dominating if I haven’t been successfully ganked by a stamblade in months.
I don’t even play a stamblade. I’m saying what I see as someone who actually pvp’s. What are you guys? The only people they’re strong against are pvp noobs who haven’t learned to play yet.
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »
Stamblades on live are not weak what noob thinks that lol it’s like saying pet sorcs needs a buff 😂Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »I love magblade an
That 20% damage buff means nothing if your fighting a stam dk like el lobo with 40k resistances and all kinds of nasty dots along with defile good tanky players will be a problem now for stamblades im not saying unbeatable just incredibly hard to kill.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
I sometimes feel like forum opinions come from the twilight zone.
Yup, just like the opinion that stamNBs on live are weak.
For example the person I quoted. But read for yourself.grannas211 wrote: »@Iskiab
Not technically resetting, but practically resetting the dodge fatigue window. Shadowy Disguise lasts 2.9 seconds. So it narrows down the fatigue window considerably, a second cloak essentially resets it because you can dodge roll for the initial cost again. Hence why Shade, Cloak and rolling are so powerful.
I know Shade is bugged for months now, and they should fix it. But one can’t say with a straight eye the synergy between cloak and dodge rolling is weak.
Use an aoe, there's no reason a NB should be able to stay in cloak for 3 seconds against a competent player.
It wastes a bar slot. And is useless vs Shade. But whatever, I see I won’t convince you that stamNB isn’t weak.
AoE is a waste of a bar slot? Do you actually pvp outside the forums? I think that rates as one of the silliest forum posts I’ve ever read.
Are you really trying to say stamblade is weak?
Right now on live, yea I would say so. I primarily pvp in cyrodiil no-CP and BGs, I think I saw one do well once called sneaky or something like that, otherwise yea they’re on the weaker side.
[...]Sandman929 wrote: »After all the posts joking about how they were probably trying to shoehorn in some dumb way to keep this original bad idea alive, that's exactly what they went and did.
Now it's a officially a NB nerf and still a dumb idea. NBs were fine, the other classes needed some attention.
Err, what? What class was in a worse spot then NB for pvp?
The general consensus from best on worst on live is:
Stamwarden, Magsorc
MagWarden, MagDK
StamDK, Stamsorc
Templars
Nightblades
Then opinions change depending on some people who need to L2P and blame the class for their own failures. I see tons of classes and players, I don’t play a stamblade and think it’s underpowered, I say they’re terrible from seeing how they perform.
If Stamblades are dominating show me one. Give me just one name of a stamblade who’s dominating outside duels in pvp.
The only place Stamblades are dominating is on the forums. BGs? No. Cyrodiil? No.
How can they be dominating if I haven’t been successfully ganked by a stamblade in months.
I don’t even play a stamblade. I’m saying what I see as someone who actually pvp’s. What are you guys? The only people they’re strong against are pvp noobs who haven’t learned to play yet.
Just one? Okay, for example Decimus has a nice gank vid up. But ganking isn't all there is to NBs, is it? Heavy bleed Blades are a pain in the arse. And I already agreed about high MMR BGs and the forums
But seriously, which platform are you on where sNB aren't one of the strongest specs on live? I've often read there are big differences in how things turn out on e.g. consoles compared to pc.
However, since you're on about ganking - have you ever thought why people began to forsake glass cannons in the past? Because it was no fun to be instantly deleted. That's why people swapped over to heavy and used bigger health pools. And (except for some proc sets) damage hasn't exactly gone down since then.Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on May 17, 2019 5:52PM1 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »
Stamblades on live are not weak what noob thinks that lol it’s like saying pet sorcs needs a buff 😂Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »I love magblade an
That 20% damage buff means nothing if your fighting a stam dk like el lobo with 40k resistances and all kinds of nasty dots along with defile good tanky players will be a problem now for stamblades im not saying unbeatable just incredibly hard to kill.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
I sometimes feel like forum opinions come from the twilight zone.
Yup, just like the opinion that stamNBs on live are weak.
For example the person I quoted. But read for yourself.grannas211 wrote: »@Iskiab
Not technically resetting, but practically resetting the dodge fatigue window. Shadowy Disguise lasts 2.9 seconds. So it narrows down the fatigue window considerably, a second cloak essentially resets it because you can dodge roll for the initial cost again. Hence why Shade, Cloak and rolling are so powerful.
I know Shade is bugged for months now, and they should fix it. But one can’t say with a straight eye the synergy between cloak and dodge rolling is weak.
Use an aoe, there's no reason a NB should be able to stay in cloak for 3 seconds against a competent player.
It wastes a bar slot. And is useless vs Shade. But whatever, I see I won’t convince you that stamNB isn’t weak.
AoE is a waste of a bar slot? Do you actually pvp outside the forums? I think that rates as one of the silliest forum posts I’ve ever read.
Are you really trying to say stamblade is weak?
Right now on live, yea I would say so. I primarily pvp in cyrodiil no-CP and BGs, I think I saw one do well once called sneaky or something like that, otherwise yea they’re on the weaker side.
[...]Sandman929 wrote: »After all the posts joking about how they were probably trying to shoehorn in some dumb way to keep this original bad idea alive, that's exactly what they went and did.
Now it's a officially a NB nerf and still a dumb idea. NBs were fine, the other classes needed some attention.
Err, what? What class was in a worse spot then NB for pvp?
The general consensus from best on worst on live is:
Stamwarden, Magsorc
MagWarden, MagDK
StamDK, Stamsorc
Templars
Nightblades
Then opinions change depending on some people who need to L2P and blame the class for their own failures. I see tons of classes and players, I don’t play a stamblade and think it’s underpowered, I say they’re terrible from seeing how they perform.
If Stamblades are dominating show me one. Give me just one name of a stamblade who’s dominating outside duels in pvp.
The only place Stamblades are dominating is on the forums. BGs? No. Cyrodiil? No.
How can they be dominating if I haven’t been successfully ganked by a stamblade in months.
I don’t even play a stamblade. I’m saying what I see as someone who actually pvp’s. What are you guys? The only people they’re strong against are pvp noobs who haven’t learned to play yet.
Just one? Okay, for example Decimus has a nice gank vid up. But ganking isn't all there is to NBs, is it? Heavy bleed Blades are a pain in the arse. And I already agreed about high MMR BGs and the forums
But seriously, which platform are you on where sNB aren't one of the strongest specs on live? I've often read there are big differences in how things turn out on e.g. consoles compared to pc.
However, since you're on about ganking - have you ever thought why people began to forsake glass cannons in the past? Because it was no fun to be instantly deleted. That's why people swapped over to heavy and used bigger health pools. And (except for some proc sets) damage hasn't exactly gone down since then.
PC-NA. I also don’t think stamblade burst is too bad, I fear a glass canon sorc or a MagDK more. When I test whether one of my specs has enough mitigation to survive a burst combo I never use a stamblade, too easy. I always use a magdk.
I also don’t think ganking videos are a good benchmark. Like one that’s frequently linked is goblin-sama’s video. I’ve seen him in BGs and I’m not even sure he plays a NB, and if he does it’s one without cloak. He was always on a different team.
The other thing is BGs are basicly simulating small scale where the goal isn’t to pick on newer players. If stamblade isn’t good in small scale, not large scale, where is it good?Edited by Iskiab on May 17, 2019 6:15PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten2 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »
Stamblades on live are not weak what noob thinks that lol it’s like saying pet sorcs needs a buff 😂Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »I love magblade an
That 20% damage buff means nothing if your fighting a stam dk like el lobo with 40k resistances and all kinds of nasty dots along with defile good tanky players will be a problem now for stamblades im not saying unbeatable just incredibly hard to kill.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
I sometimes feel like forum opinions come from the twilight zone.
Yup, just like the opinion that stamNBs on live are weak.
For example the person I quoted. But read for yourself.grannas211 wrote: »@Iskiab
Not technically resetting, but practically resetting the dodge fatigue window. Shadowy Disguise lasts 2.9 seconds. So it narrows down the fatigue window considerably, a second cloak essentially resets it because you can dodge roll for the initial cost again. Hence why Shade, Cloak and rolling are so powerful.
I know Shade is bugged for months now, and they should fix it. But one can’t say with a straight eye the synergy between cloak and dodge rolling is weak.
Use an aoe, there's no reason a NB should be able to stay in cloak for 3 seconds against a competent player.
It wastes a bar slot. And is useless vs Shade. But whatever, I see I won’t convince you that stamNB isn’t weak.
AoE is a waste of a bar slot? Do you actually pvp outside the forums? I think that rates as one of the silliest forum posts I’ve ever read.
Are you really trying to say stamblade is weak?
Right now on live, yea I would say so. I primarily pvp in cyrodiil no-CP and BGs, I think I saw one do well once called sneaky or something like that, otherwise yea they’re on the weaker side.
[...]Sandman929 wrote: »After all the posts joking about how they were probably trying to shoehorn in some dumb way to keep this original bad idea alive, that's exactly what they went and did.
Now it's a officially a NB nerf and still a dumb idea. NBs were fine, the other classes needed some attention.
Err, what? What class was in a worse spot then NB for pvp?
The general consensus from best on worst on live is:
Stamwarden, Magsorc
MagWarden, MagDK
StamDK, Stamsorc
Templars
Nightblades
Then opinions change depending on some people who need to L2P and blame the class for their own failures. I see tons of classes and players, I don’t play a stamblade and think it’s underpowered, I say they’re terrible from seeing how they perform.
If Stamblades are dominating show me one. Give me just one name of a stamblade who’s dominating outside duels in pvp.
The only place Stamblades are dominating is on the forums. BGs? No. Cyrodiil? No.
How can they be dominating if I haven’t been successfully ganked by a stamblade in months.
I don’t even play a stamblade. I’m saying what I see as someone who actually pvp’s. What are you guys? The only people they’re strong against are pvp noobs who haven’t learned to play yet.
Just one? Okay, for example Decimus has a nice gank vid up. But ganking isn't all there is to NBs, is it? Heavy bleed Blades are a pain in the arse. And I already agreed about high MMR BGs and the forums
But seriously, which platform are you on where sNB aren't one of the strongest specs on live? I've often read there are big differences in how things turn out on e.g. consoles compared to pc.
However, since you're on about ganking - have you ever thought why people began to forsake glass cannons in the past? Because it was no fun to be instantly deleted. That's why people swapped over to heavy and used bigger health pools. And (except for some proc sets) damage hasn't exactly gone down since then.
PC-NA. I also don’t think stamblade burst is too bad, I fear a glass canon sorc or a MagDK more. When I test whether one of my specs has enough mitigation to survive a burst combo I never use a stamblade, too easy. I always use a magdk.
I also don’t think ganking videos are a good benchmark. Like one that’s frequently linked is goblin-sama’s video. I’ve seen him in BGs and I’m not even sure he plays a NB, and if he does it’s one without cloak. He was always on a different team.
The other thing is BGs are basicly simulating small scale where the goal isn’t to pick on newer players. If stamblade isn’t good in small scale, not large scale, where is it good?
You don't see them often in BGs because the team is limited to fixed amount of group members and you can get better results by using different specs. That only means they don't bring much to the table group wise. That doesn't mean they are bad in (small scale) scenarios that don't have such a fixed frame.0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »
Stamblades on live are not weak what noob thinks that lol it’s like saying pet sorcs needs a buff 😂Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »I love magblade an
That 20% damage buff means nothing if your fighting a stam dk like el lobo with 40k resistances and all kinds of nasty dots along with defile good tanky players will be a problem now for stamblades im not saying unbeatable just incredibly hard to kill.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
I sometimes feel like forum opinions come from the twilight zone.
Yup, just like the opinion that stamNBs on live are weak.
For example the person I quoted. But read for yourself.grannas211 wrote: »@Iskiab
Not technically resetting, but practically resetting the dodge fatigue window. Shadowy Disguise lasts 2.9 seconds. So it narrows down the fatigue window considerably, a second cloak essentially resets it because you can dodge roll for the initial cost again. Hence why Shade, Cloak and rolling are so powerful.
I know Shade is bugged for months now, and they should fix it. But one can’t say with a straight eye the synergy between cloak and dodge rolling is weak.
Use an aoe, there's no reason a NB should be able to stay in cloak for 3 seconds against a competent player.
It wastes a bar slot. And is useless vs Shade. But whatever, I see I won’t convince you that stamNB isn’t weak.
AoE is a waste of a bar slot? Do you actually pvp outside the forums? I think that rates as one of the silliest forum posts I’ve ever read.
Are you really trying to say stamblade is weak?
Right now on live, yea I would say so. I primarily pvp in cyrodiil no-CP and BGs, I think I saw one do well once called sneaky or something like that, otherwise yea they’re on the weaker side.
[...]Sandman929 wrote: »After all the posts joking about how they were probably trying to shoehorn in some dumb way to keep this original bad idea alive, that's exactly what they went and did.
Now it's a officially a NB nerf and still a dumb idea. NBs were fine, the other classes needed some attention.
Err, what? What class was in a worse spot then NB for pvp?
The general consensus from best on worst on live is:
Stamwarden, Magsorc
MagWarden, MagDK
StamDK, Stamsorc
Templars
Nightblades
Then opinions change depending on some people who need to L2P and blame the class for their own failures. I see tons of classes and players, I don’t play a stamblade and think it’s underpowered, I say they’re terrible from seeing how they perform.
If Stamblades are dominating show me one. Give me just one name of a stamblade who’s dominating outside duels in pvp.
The only place Stamblades are dominating is on the forums. BGs? No. Cyrodiil? No.
How can they be dominating if I haven’t been successfully ganked by a stamblade in months.
I don’t even play a stamblade. I’m saying what I see as someone who actually pvp’s. What are you guys? The only people they’re strong against are pvp noobs who haven’t learned to play yet.
Just one? Okay, for example Decimus has a nice gank vid up. But ganking isn't all there is to NBs, is it? Heavy bleed Blades are a pain in the arse. And I already agreed about high MMR BGs and the forums
But seriously, which platform are you on where sNB aren't one of the strongest specs on live? I've often read there are big differences in how things turn out on e.g. consoles compared to pc.
However, since you're on about ganking - have you ever thought why people began to forsake glass cannons in the past? Because it was no fun to be instantly deleted. That's why people swapped over to heavy and used bigger health pools. And (except for some proc sets) damage hasn't exactly gone down since then.
PC-NA. I also don’t think stamblade burst is too bad, I fear a glass canon sorc or a MagDK more. When I test whether one of my specs has enough mitigation to survive a burst combo I never use a stamblade, too easy. I always use a magdk.
I also don’t think ganking videos are a good benchmark. Like one that’s frequently linked is goblin-sama’s video. I’ve seen him in BGs and I’m not even sure he plays a NB, and if he does it’s one without cloak. He was always on a different team.
The other thing is BGs are basicly simulating small scale where the goal isn’t to pick on newer players. If stamblade isn’t good in small scale, not large scale, where is it good?
You don't see them often in BGs because the team is limited to fixed amount of group members and you can get better results by using different specs. That only means they don't bring much to the table group wise. That doesn't mean they are bad in (small scale) scenarios that don't have such a fixed frame.
Do you really believe that? What is small scale if it’s not 4v4v4? Are you saying they perform better if it was 4v8? 2v4? I’m not seeing the difference between BGs and small scale, unless you mean solo ganking new players with poor specs.
If you’re saying they don’t do well in groups, you’re essentially saying they’re a dueling class. So Stamblades make good duelers or gankers is what you’re saying. So since they can’t gank me and I can survive indefinitely against one and I’m a healer so always in a group, that’s why I think they’re weak? Considering I’m closing on pvp rank 40, and they’re weak in all the facets of pvp I play, that’s a pretty big negative is it not? That’s why I don’t understand people saying they’re a strong pvp class and not below average.
Don’t duels have specific rules to balance things between classes? I can’t recall, do they limit or help Stamblades? Because if they don’t limit Stamblades then are they even a good 1v1 class?Edited by Iskiab on May 17, 2019 6:43PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten3 -
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✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »
Stamblades on live are not weak what noob thinks that lol it’s like saying pet sorcs needs a buff 😂Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »I love magblade an
That 20% damage buff means nothing if your fighting a stam dk like el lobo with 40k resistances and all kinds of nasty dots along with defile good tanky players will be a problem now for stamblades im not saying unbeatable just incredibly hard to kill.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
I sometimes feel like forum opinions come from the twilight zone.
Yup, just like the opinion that stamNBs on live are weak.
For example the person I quoted. But read for yourself.grannas211 wrote: »@Iskiab
Not technically resetting, but practically resetting the dodge fatigue window. Shadowy Disguise lasts 2.9 seconds. So it narrows down the fatigue window considerably, a second cloak essentially resets it because you can dodge roll for the initial cost again. Hence why Shade, Cloak and rolling are so powerful.
I know Shade is bugged for months now, and they should fix it. But one can’t say with a straight eye the synergy between cloak and dodge rolling is weak.
Use an aoe, there's no reason a NB should be able to stay in cloak for 3 seconds against a competent player.
It wastes a bar slot. And is useless vs Shade. But whatever, I see I won’t convince you that stamNB isn’t weak.
AoE is a waste of a bar slot? Do you actually pvp outside the forums? I think that rates as one of the silliest forum posts I’ve ever read.
Are you really trying to say stamblade is weak?
Right now on live, yea I would say so. I primarily pvp in cyrodiil no-CP and BGs, I think I saw one do well once called sneaky or something like that, otherwise yea they’re on the weaker side.
[...]Sandman929 wrote: »After all the posts joking about how they were probably trying to shoehorn in some dumb way to keep this original bad idea alive, that's exactly what they went and did.
Now it's a officially a NB nerf and still a dumb idea. NBs were fine, the other classes needed some attention.
Err, what? What class was in a worse spot then NB for pvp?
The general consensus from best on worst on live is:
Stamwarden, Magsorc
MagWarden, MagDK
StamDK, Stamsorc
Templars
Nightblades
Then opinions change depending on some people who need to L2P and blame the class for their own failures. I see tons of classes and players, I don’t play a stamblade and think it’s underpowered, I say they’re terrible from seeing how they perform.
If Stamblades are dominating show me one. Give me just one name of a stamblade who’s dominating outside duels in pvp.
The only place Stamblades are dominating is on the forums. BGs? No. Cyrodiil? No.
How can they be dominating if I haven’t been successfully ganked by a stamblade in months.
I don’t even play a stamblade. I’m saying what I see as someone who actually pvp’s. What are you guys? The only people they’re strong against are pvp noobs who haven’t learned to play yet.
Just one? Okay, for example Decimus has a nice gank vid up. But ganking isn't all there is to NBs, is it? Heavy bleed Blades are a pain in the arse. And I already agreed about high MMR BGs and the forums
But seriously, which platform are you on where sNB aren't one of the strongest specs on live? I've often read there are big differences in how things turn out on e.g. consoles compared to pc.
However, since you're on about ganking - have you ever thought why people began to forsake glass cannons in the past? Because it was no fun to be instantly deleted. That's why people swapped over to heavy and used bigger health pools. And (except for some proc sets) damage hasn't exactly gone down since then.
PC-NA. I also don’t think stamblade burst is too bad, I fear a glass canon sorc or a MagDK more. When I test whether one of my specs has enough mitigation to survive a burst combo I never use a stamblade, too easy. I always use a magdk.
I also don’t think ganking videos are a good benchmark. Like one that’s frequently linked is goblin-sama’s video. I’ve seen him in BGs and I’m not even sure he plays a NB, and if he does it’s one without cloak. He was always on a different team.
The other thing is BGs are basicly simulating small scale where the goal isn’t to pick on newer players. If stamblade isn’t good in small scale, not large scale, where is it good?
You don't see them often in BGs because the team is limited to fixed amount of group members and you can get better results by using different specs. That only means they don't bring much to the table group wise. That doesn't mean they are bad in (small scale) scenarios that don't have such a fixed frame.
Do you really believe that? What is small scale if it’s not 4v4v4? Are you saying they perform better if it was 4v8? 2v4? I’m not seeing the difference between BGs and small scale, unless you mean solo ganking new players with poor specs.
If you’re saying they don’t do well in groups, you’re essentially saying they’re a dueling class. So Stamblades make good duelers or gankers is what you’re saying. So since they can’t gank me and I can survive indefinitely against one and I’m a healer so always in a group, that’s why I think they’re weak? Considering I’m closing on pvp rank 40, and they’re weak in all the facets of pvp I play, that’s a pretty big negative is it not? That’s why I don’t understand people saying they’re a strong pvp class and not below average.
Don’t duels have specific rules to balance things between classes? I can’t recall, do they limit or help Stamblades? Because if they don’t limit Stamblades then are they even a good 1v1 class?
You do know that your stating the exact reason stamblades don't gank as easy right? People build super tanky builds to survive the damage output they had from.stealth. so basically NB was so powerful at ganking that it forced a heavy armor meta because people want to actually fight in pvp if rather then be 1 shot
Now stamblades are crying over heavy meta all the time when in reality it was designed to survive them along with some heavy armor sets like 7th legion and fury offering too much weapon.damage.
So when heavy armor gets nerfed and people go back to non heavy builds NB will once again be 1 shotting people unless their burst damage is reduced from stealth.
But I also play my stamblade and I do manage to get a lot of kills especially if the person doesn't know you are there lying in wait to hit him hard and fast 😉1 -
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✭✭✭Heavy armour meta (or light or medium build with tankiness) is fine.
Like I said, I build that way not because of Stamblades but other classes burst. I don’t even find stamblade burst that bad, it’s no higher then other classes.
The only people who think Stamblades are strong are sorcs who build to be a glass canon because they’re inexperienced, and Wardens who don’t wear defensive sets. To the rest of the game Stamblades are a non-issue.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten2 -
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✭If you’re saying they don’t do well in groups, you’re essentially saying they’re a dueling class. So Stamblades make good duelers or gankers is what you’re saying. So since they can’t gank me and I can survive indefinitely against one and I’m a healer so always in a group, that’s why I think they’re weak? Considering I’m closing on pvp rank 40, and they’re weak in all the facets of pvp I play, that’s a pretty big negative is it not? That’s why I don’t understand people saying they’re a strong pvp class and not below average.
Ever heard of solo open world pvp?Edited by HowlKimchi on May 18, 2019 7:06PM3 -
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✭✭✭Yes agreed, think they’d be strong there along with sorcs because they have a means of escape. Guess for me the issue is I’d be bored stiff if this is all so could do and wouldn’t have stayed with ESO, so don’t feel that’s enough for an entire class. What draws me to MMOs is always the community and my guildies, if I was solo all the time I’d be bored stiff.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
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✭✭Deathlord92 wrote: »I love magblade an
That 20% damage buff means nothing if your fighting a stam dk like el lobo with 40k resistances and all kinds of nasty dots along with defile good tanky players will be a problem now for stamblades im not saying unbeatable just incredibly hard to kill.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
I’m not a dueler but think you’re right. I sometimes feel like forum opinions come from the twilight zone. The reality is people go around with Max resistances and 30k+ health in pvp.
Come to the forums and people talk about glass canon specs and damage buffs being overpowered. I wonder how many of these people actually pvp.
The only reality is that everyone is struggling against those tanks genius. Not just ur precious stamblade3 -
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✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »
Stamblades on live are not weak what noob thinks that lol it’s like saying pet sorcs needs a buff 😂Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »I love magblade an
That 20% damage buff means nothing if your fighting a stam dk like el lobo with 40k resistances and all kinds of nasty dots along with defile good tanky players will be a problem now for stamblades im not saying unbeatable just incredibly hard to kill.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
I sometimes feel like forum opinions come from the twilight zone.
Yup, just like the opinion that stamNBs on live are weak.
For example the person I quoted. But read for yourself.grannas211 wrote: »@Iskiab
Not technically resetting, but practically resetting the dodge fatigue window. Shadowy Disguise lasts 2.9 seconds. So it narrows down the fatigue window considerably, a second cloak essentially resets it because you can dodge roll for the initial cost again. Hence why Shade, Cloak and rolling are so powerful.
I know Shade is bugged for months now, and they should fix it. But one can’t say with a straight eye the synergy between cloak and dodge rolling is weak.
Use an aoe, there's no reason a NB should be able to stay in cloak for 3 seconds against a competent player.
It wastes a bar slot. And is useless vs Shade. But whatever, I see I won’t convince you that stamNB isn’t weak.
AoE is a waste of a bar slot? Do you actually pvp outside the forums? I think that rates as one of the silliest forum posts I’ve ever read.
Are you really trying to say stamblade is weak?
Right now on live, yea I would say so. I primarily pvp in cyrodiil no-CP and BGs, I think I saw one do well once called sneaky or something like that, otherwise yea they’re on the weaker side.
[...]Sandman929 wrote: »After all the posts joking about how they were probably trying to shoehorn in some dumb way to keep this original bad idea alive, that's exactly what they went and did.
Now it's a officially a NB nerf and still a dumb idea. NBs were fine, the other classes needed some attention.
Err, what? What class was in a worse spot then NB for pvp?
The general consensus from best on worst on live is:
Stamwarden, Magsorc
MagWarden, MagDK
StamDK, Stamsorc
Templars
Nightblades
Then opinions change depending on some people who need to L2P and blame the class for their own failures. I see tons of classes and players, I don’t play a stamblade and think it’s underpowered, I say they’re terrible from seeing how they perform.
If Stamblades are dominating show me one. Give me just one name of a stamblade who’s dominating outside duels in pvp.
The only place Stamblades are dominating is on the forums. BGs? No. Cyrodiil? No.
How can they be dominating if I haven’t been successfully ganked by a stamblade in months.
I don’t even play a stamblade. I’m saying what I see as someone who actually pvp’s. What are you guys? The only people they’re strong against are pvp noobs who haven’t learned to play yet.
Just one? Okay, for example Decimus has a nice gank vid up. But ganking isn't all there is to NBs, is it? Heavy bleed Blades are a pain in the arse. And I already agreed about high MMR BGs and the forums
But seriously, which platform are you on where sNB aren't one of the strongest specs on live? I've often read there are big differences in how things turn out on e.g. consoles compared to pc.
However, since you're on about ganking - have you ever thought why people began to forsake glass cannons in the past? Because it was no fun to be instantly deleted. That's why people swapped over to heavy and used bigger health pools. And (except for some proc sets) damage hasn't exactly gone down since then.
PC-NA. I also don’t think stamblade burst is too bad, I fear a glass canon sorc or a MagDK more. When I test whether one of my specs has enough mitigation to survive a burst combo I never use a stamblade, too easy. I always use a magdk.
I also don’t think ganking videos are a good benchmark. Like one that’s frequently linked is goblin-sama’s video. I’ve seen him in BGs and I’m not even sure he plays a NB, and if he does it’s one without cloak. He was always on a different team.
The other thing is BGs are basicly simulating small scale where the goal isn’t to pick on newer players. If stamblade isn’t good in small scale, not large scale, where is it good?
You don't see them often in BGs because the team is limited to fixed amount of group members and you can get better results by using different specs. That only means they don't bring much to the table group wise. That doesn't mean they are bad in (small scale) scenarios that don't have such a fixed frame.
Do you really believe that? What is small scale if it’s not 4v4v4? Are you saying they perform better if it was 4v8? 2v4? I’m not seeing the difference between BGs and small scale, unless you mean solo ganking new players with poor specs.
If you’re saying they don’t do well in groups, you’re essentially saying they’re a dueling class. So Stamblades make good duelers or gankers is what you’re saying. So since they can’t gank me and I can survive indefinitely against one and I’m a healer so always in a group, that’s why I think they’re weak? Considering I’m closing on pvp rank 40, and they’re weak in all the facets of pvp I play, that’s a pretty big negative is it not? That’s why I don’t understand people saying they’re a strong pvp class and not below average.
Don’t duels have specific rules to balance things between classes? I can’t recall, do they limit or help Stamblades? Because if they don’t limit Stamblades then are they even a good 1v1 class?
I can’t stress enough how different BG’s “small scale” is compared to open world CP small scale. BGs is an aoe ****fest, might as well be a raid.3 -
darkblue5✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »
Stamblades on live are not weak what noob thinks that lol it’s like saying pet sorcs needs a buff 😂Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Deathlord92 wrote: »I love magblade an
That 20% damage buff means nothing if your fighting a stam dk like el lobo with 40k resistances and all kinds of nasty dots along with defile good tanky players will be a problem now for stamblades im not saying unbeatable just incredibly hard to kill.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »It doesn’t really matter as no one is going to use the skill lol. Now that they made the silence CC breakable it’s effectively a stun that can only be used against some people that won’t even work on a target if they have immunity already.
The rest is just noise. But sure buddy, forget about that 20% dmg buff.
I sometimes feel like forum opinions come from the twilight zone.
Yup, just like the opinion that stamNBs on live are weak.
For example the person I quoted. But read for yourself.grannas211 wrote: »@Iskiab
Not technically resetting, but practically resetting the dodge fatigue window. Shadowy Disguise lasts 2.9 seconds. So it narrows down the fatigue window considerably, a second cloak essentially resets it because you can dodge roll for the initial cost again. Hence why Shade, Cloak and rolling are so powerful.
I know Shade is bugged for months now, and they should fix it. But one can’t say with a straight eye the synergy between cloak and dodge rolling is weak.
Use an aoe, there's no reason a NB should be able to stay in cloak for 3 seconds against a competent player.
It wastes a bar slot. And is useless vs Shade. But whatever, I see I won’t convince you that stamNB isn’t weak.
AoE is a waste of a bar slot? Do you actually pvp outside the forums? I think that rates as one of the silliest forum posts I’ve ever read.
Are you really trying to say stamblade is weak?
Right now on live, yea I would say so. I primarily pvp in cyrodiil no-CP and BGs, I think I saw one do well once called sneaky or something like that, otherwise yea they’re on the weaker side.
[...]Sandman929 wrote: »After all the posts joking about how they were probably trying to shoehorn in some dumb way to keep this original bad idea alive, that's exactly what they went and did.
Now it's a officially a NB nerf and still a dumb idea. NBs were fine, the other classes needed some attention.
Err, what? What class was in a worse spot then NB for pvp?
The general consensus from best on worst on live is:
Stamwarden, Magsorc
MagWarden, MagDK
StamDK, Stamsorc
Templars
Nightblades
Then opinions change depending on some people who need to L2P and blame the class for their own failures. I see tons of classes and players, I don’t play a stamblade and think it’s underpowered, I say they’re terrible from seeing how they perform.
If Stamblades are dominating show me one. Give me just one name of a stamblade who’s dominating outside duels in pvp.
The only place Stamblades are dominating is on the forums. BGs? No. Cyrodiil? No.
How can they be dominating if I haven’t been successfully ganked by a stamblade in months.
I don’t even play a stamblade. I’m saying what I see as someone who actually pvp’s. What are you guys? The only people they’re strong against are pvp noobs who haven’t learned to play yet.
Just one? Okay, for example Decimus has a nice gank vid up. But ganking isn't all there is to NBs, is it? Heavy bleed Blades are a pain in the arse. And I already agreed about high MMR BGs and the forums
But seriously, which platform are you on where sNB aren't one of the strongest specs on live? I've often read there are big differences in how things turn out on e.g. consoles compared to pc.
However, since you're on about ganking - have you ever thought why people began to forsake glass cannons in the past? Because it was no fun to be instantly deleted. That's why people swapped over to heavy and used bigger health pools. And (except for some proc sets) damage hasn't exactly gone down since then.
PC-NA. I also don’t think stamblade burst is too bad, I fear a glass canon sorc or a MagDK more. When I test whether one of my specs has enough mitigation to survive a burst combo I never use a stamblade, too easy. I always use a magdk.
I also don’t think ganking videos are a good benchmark. Like one that’s frequently linked is goblin-sama’s video. I’ve seen him in BGs and I’m not even sure he plays a NB, and if he does it’s one without cloak. He was always on a different team.
The other thing is BGs are basicly simulating small scale where the goal isn’t to pick on newer players. If stamblade isn’t good in small scale, not large scale, where is it good?
You don't see them often in BGs because the team is limited to fixed amount of group members and you can get better results by using different specs. That only means they don't bring much to the table group wise. That doesn't mean they are bad in (small scale) scenarios that don't have such a fixed frame.
Do you really believe that? What is small scale if it’s not 4v4v4? Are you saying they perform better if it was 4v8? 2v4? I’m not seeing the difference between BGs and small scale, unless you mean solo ganking new players with poor specs.
If you’re saying they don’t do well in groups, you’re essentially saying they’re a dueling class. So Stamblades make good duelers or gankers is what you’re saying. So since they can’t gank me and I can survive indefinitely against one and I’m a healer so always in a group, that’s why I think they’re weak? Considering I’m closing on pvp rank 40, and they’re weak in all the facets of pvp I play, that’s a pretty big negative is it not? That’s why I don’t understand people saying they’re a strong pvp class and not below average.
Don’t duels have specific rules to balance things between classes? I can’t recall, do they limit or help Stamblades? Because if they don’t limit Stamblades then are they even a good 1v1 class?
I can’t stress enough how different BG’s “small scale” is compared to open world CP small scale. BGs is an aoe ****fest, might as well be a raid.
To be fair even more of Cyrodiil has "learned to play" and won't chase randos to their deaths and instead wait for some 30+ people to come with. Even the sub CP 300s are running 40k health and AOE/heal spam these days XD. If I could get guildies to stack as well as the lowbies do in pvp for vDungeons and nTrials...0