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My journey to 40k dps - Stam DK
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Elwendryll✭✭✭✭✭
✭I personally don't like relequen and go to great lengths to avoid using it.
I did one 40k parse with external fracture.
2H/Bow Stamsorc
So basically DK without Fracture.
Stormfist, VO, Veiled Heritance.
It takes a very long time, my first vMA clear was with 20k dps, I took a year to reach 30k, and another year for 40k. My next goal is 45k with external fracture, so I could consider applying to my guild's core group.PC - EU - France - AD
Main character: Qojikrin - Khajiit Sorcerer Tank/Stamina DD - since March 25, 2015.
Guildmaster of Oriflamme: Focus on 4 player endgame content.
Member of Brave Cat Trade, Panda Division and Toadhuggers.
All 4-man trifectas - TTT, IR, GH0 -
p_tsakirisb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭And this forum continues to praise the Dummy damage parses over the real content. Not surprised at all given that since Relequen was added in the game, the average DPS went down the drain in real content and up in the dummy....
Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on May 14, 2019 11:10AM3 -
Mariusghost84✭✭✭✭✭sudaki_eso wrote: »Congrats! i started at 15k and it took me also almost a year to reach 40k, now i am sitting at 43k and cant get anymore out of my rota/build - but i am still doing a ha rotation. And dont forget that even tho a stamDK doesnt bring much to a party, you benefit a lot from others group buffs. Try a raid dps check, you will hit 60k if you can hit 40k now - which is not too bad.
One thing you have to practice now - if you use relequen - is to keep the stacks up. Sounds pretty basic but it isnt, works fine on a dummy but in a real boss/trial situation its a different story. A lot of people i see in dungeons or trials are unable to keep the stack up, they get to 5-6 stacks, play a mechanic and dont do light attacks while doing so and then are loosing the stacks which is a huge dps loss. Just watch the buffs on a boss the next time you play, the struggle for some people is real. If you cant hold up the stacks you might be better off with a different set.
Again, good job! Keep practicing.
43k is amazing man. Even though i got to 40k once, i end up at 38k most of the time so there is a lot of room for improvement. Also, my rotation is pretty dynamic and "messy" i apply all dots and rearming trap and foO when there still are 3 secs left for instance. I need to get more structured and am in dire need of a solid stable rotation 0 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭SidraWillowsky wrote: »Today I hit 42k DPS for the first time. Think about the kind of journey I had trying to reach these numbers on console 😉
Good job nonetheless mate
Seems kinda rude to say, though IDK that you meant it that way. FWIW OP, I play with a controller on PC (switched the interface to gamepad mode) and have also recently hit 42k... I guess I have no KM experience to compare it to but I don't think I've struggled more than my KM counterpart guildies to hit that number- what it comes down to is who is willing to consistently sit in front of the dummy and work on things. Who knows, maybe I'd be hitting 45k at this point on KM.
Though yeah, I do have access to combat addons on PC even with controller mode, so maybe that's part of it.
I just don't want to detract from OP's sense of accomplishment!
Great achievement from the OP!
The in game combat prompts for buffs, skill cool-downs etc, can make a difference to the efficiency and consistency of a DPS parse. Console players simply do not have access to this kind of in game management.
The combat analysis that PC players have, also makes a difference in being able to improve a rotation, identify where issues are and ultimately increase DPS. Again console players simply do not have this, were flying blind in comparison.
It is still possible to pull good DPS numbers, but I think its fair to say that it is more difficult on console, spare a thought for console players!1 -
Elwendryll✭✭✭✭✭
✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »And this forum continues to praise the Dummy damage parses over the real content. Not surprised at all given that since Relequen was added in the game, the average DPS went down the drain in real content and up in the dummy....
That's one of the reasons why I hate this set. It feels like it's not deserved. I mean, any other dps increase, I would consider that as a proof of improvement that will translate into better performances in trials. But not Relequen.
Dummy parses are something very difficult, and you have to work a lot for it, so it deserves some praise.PC - EU - France - AD
Main character: Qojikrin - Khajiit Sorcerer Tank/Stamina DD - since March 25, 2015.
Guildmaster of Oriflamme: Focus on 4 player endgame content.
Member of Brave Cat Trade, Panda Division and Toadhuggers.
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Sergykid✭✭✭✭✭
✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »And this forum continues to praise the Dummy damage parses over the real content. Not surprised at all given that since Relequen was added in the game, the average DPS went down the drain in real content and up in the dummy....
in real content you lose some dps but also gain some from the group buffs / synergies. So +/- gets the same result. If you do 30k self on a dummy, u have much chances to do 30k dps in real content.-PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube2 -
AlgisOthalSoul ShrivenMariusghost84 wrote: »Story of me and my stam DK.
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Look at new changes of DK on PTS. Some buff bring more DPS for us ^_^
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Kurat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭To OP. I always like to read this kinda threads where ppl have been trying hard to achieve their goals and finally got it. Grats dude!
Keep practicing your la weaving and you will improve more. You were missing alot of them. Also not to put you down but this parse is extreme cheese. Try doing it on full health dummy, it only had 2,7mil hp. And when ppl talk about their dps, its generally meant on 6mil dummy not 3. Any half decent raid guild would not accept that parse.
Work on your sustain and weaving and you'll get there mate.0 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Congrats on the milestone
However, I have to agree with the post above this one.
You need do parse on a 6 Mil dummy.
Raid leads do not accept parses on a 3 Mil unfortunately because it does not show how well you can sustain in a fight.Beta tester November 20130 -
Mariusghost84✭✭✭✭✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »And this forum continues to praise the Dummy damage parses over the real content. Not surprised at all given that since Relequen was added in the game, the average DPS went down the drain in real content and up in the dummy....To OP. I always like to read this kinda threads where ppl have been trying hard to achieve their goals and finally got it. Grats dude!
Keep practicing your la weaving and you will improve more. You were missing alot of them. Also not to put you down but this parse is extreme cheese. Try doing it on full health dummy, it only had 2,7mil hp. And when ppl talk about their dps, its generally meant on 6mil dummy not 3. Any half decent raid guild would not accept that parse.
Work on your sustain and weaving and you'll get there mate.AlgisOthal wrote: »Mariusghost84 wrote: »Story of me and my stam DK.
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Look at new changes of DK on PTS. Some buff bring more DPS for us ^_^
Amazing man, is that from PTS? What is your gear and rotation? This isnt self buffed is it? If so - this is my next goal and i would love to hear about your build!0 -
Mariusghost84✭✭✭✭✭To OP. I always like to read this kinda threads where ppl have been trying hard to achieve their goals and finally got it. Grats dude!
Keep practicing your la weaving and you will improve more. You were missing alot of them. Also not to put you down but this parse is extreme cheese. Try doing it on full health dummy, it only had 2,7mil hp. And when ppl talk about their dps, its generally meant on 6mil dummy not 3. Any half decent raid guild would not accept that parse.
Work on your sustain and weaving and you'll get there mate.
You are right. I will work on weaving and start using the 6mill dummy. I have issues with LA weaving so there is a lot of room for improvement here still as you say. Its nice to see a grounded take on my parse 0 -
Mariusghost84✭✭✭✭✭Congrats on the milestone
However, I have to agree with the post above this one.
You need do parse on a 6 Mil dummy.
Raid leads do not accept parses on a 3 Mil unfortunately because it does not show how well you can sustain in a fight.
I had no idea parses were used to get into guilds tbh. I have no intentions to get into anything other than pug raids, but thanks for pointing that out - im gonna go with 6 mill dummy from now on!0 -
colossalvoids✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Great achievements, it always brings joy after hitting your milestones!
Good luck on a next one
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AlgisOthalSoul ShrivenMariusghost84 wrote: »Amazing man, is that from PTS? What is your gear and rotation? This isnt self buffed is it? If so - this is my next goal and i would love to hear about your build!
There is no secrets ^_^
PTS, some little "cheat" in setup:
1) TFS - extra penetration, around 16k with Lover
2) Slimecrow - minor berserk, in a dangeon or trial take with Combat Preer from Heal
3) No vigor, but 5th slot on backbar almost free
Slimecraw - 1k dps, TFS vs AY - 2k dps
47-48k with Velidreth, Releq and AY - real dps
New Molten Whip passive looks great, but bring some troubles with stamina
"Spam" ability - Venomous Claw
Stam DK - amazing class, so like it.
Good luck with your training, keep practice
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Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭well, I just increased my dps by 7k(to 40k)yesterday, by using a metronome...
This made me chuckle. I haven't owned a metronome in 30 odd years but I open the door on the hundred year old pendulum clock and use the ticks to practice!"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard0 -
Mariusghost84✭✭✭✭✭AlgisOthal wrote: »Mariusghost84 wrote: »Amazing man, is that from PTS? What is your gear and rotation? This isnt self buffed is it? If so - this is my next goal and i would love to hear about your build!
There is no secrets ^_^
PTS, some little "cheat" in setup:
1) TFS - extra penetration, around 16k with Lover
2) Slimecrow - minor berserk, in a dangeon or trial take with Combat Preer from Heal
3) No vigor, but 5th slot on backbar almost free
Slimecraw - 1k dps, TFS vs AY - 2k dps
47-48k with Velidreth, Releq and AY - real dps
New Molten Whip passive looks great, but bring some troubles with stamina
"Spam" ability - Venomous Claw
Stam DK - amazing class, so like it.
Good luck with your training, keep practice
I LOVE checking out others builds and getting the superstar pic + the metrics pars itself! Are you saying you really did 52k dps by YOURSELF, without anyone assisting you at the dummy ( with major fracture and synergies etc ) ? Are you for real bro? 0 -
Mariusghost84✭✭✭✭✭AlgisOthal wrote: »Mariusghost84 wrote: »Amazing man, is that from PTS? What is your gear and rotation? This isnt self buffed is it? If so - this is my next goal and i would love to hear about your build!
There is no secrets ^_^
PTS, some little "cheat" in setup:
1) TFS - extra penetration, around 16k with Lover
2) Slimecrow - minor berserk, in a dangeon or trial take with Combat Preer from Heal
3) No vigor, but 5th slot on backbar almost free
Slimecraw - 1k dps, TFS vs AY - 2k dps
47-48k with Velidreth, Releq and AY - real dps
New Molten Whip passive looks great, but bring some troubles with stamina
"Spam" ability - Venomous Claw
Stam DK - amazing class, so like it.
Good luck with your training, keep practice
Also, what is that last ability on your second bar? 0 -
Mathius_Mordred✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mariusghost84 wrote: »Congrats on the milestone
However, I have to agree with the post above this one.
You need do parse on a 6 Mil dummy.
Raid leads do not accept parses on a 3 Mil unfortunately because it does not show how well you can sustain in a fight.
I had no idea parses were used to get into guilds tbh. I have no intentions to get into anything other than pug raids, but thanks for pointing that out - im gonna go with 6 mill dummy from now on!
Some guilds, not many would ever be interested, I know that not one of the 200 folks in our guild has ever been questioned about their performance, but we all try to improve all the time and congratulate each other when we do, just like you're getting Gz here. I'd avoid elitist organisations like that just as I'd avoid traders that need 50K or more sales a week and then kick you even after you told them you were going away on holidays. Lots of good social all round guilds out there, you'd be more than welcome in ours!Skyrim Red Shirts. Join us at https://skyrimredshirts.co.ukJoin Skyrim Red Shirts. Free trader. We welcome all, from new players to Vets. A mature drama-free social group enjoying PVE questing, PvP, Dungeons, trials and arenas. Web, FB Group & Discord. Guild Hall, trial dummy, crafting, transmutation, banker & merchant. You may invite your friends. No requirements0 -
AlgisOthalSoul Shriven
Yes, that done soloMariusghost84 wrote: »I LOVE checking out others builds and getting the superstar pic + the metrics pars itself! Are you saying you really did 52k dps by YOURSELF, without anyone assisting you at the dummy ( with major fracture and synergies etc ) ? Are you for real bro?
Major fracture - Noxious Breath, no synergy.
That was 2 days on PTS playing with build. No magic xD
5th skill - rune from Fighter Guild (Ring of Preservation). Apply +3% dmg for dots on back-bar. No need to use, just slot. Can swap with vigor if neededMariusghost84 wrote: »Also, what is that last ability on your second bar?Edited by AlgisOthal on May 15, 2019 8:45AM0 -
Kurat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mathius_Mordred wrote: »Mariusghost84 wrote: »Congrats on the milestone
However, I have to agree with the post above this one.
You need do parse on a 6 Mil dummy.
Raid leads do not accept parses on a 3 Mil unfortunately because it does not show how well you can sustain in a fight.
I had no idea parses were used to get into guilds tbh. I have no intentions to get into anything other than pug raids, but thanks for pointing that out - im gonna go with 6 mill dummy from now on!
Some guilds, not many would ever be interested, I know that not one of the 200 folks in our guild has ever been questioned about their performance, but we all try to improve all the time and congratulate each other when we do, just like you're getting Gz here. I'd avoid elitist organisations like that just as I'd avoid traders that need 50K or more sales a week and then kick you even after you told them you were going away on holidays. Lots of good social all round guilds out there, you'd be more than welcome in ours!
Most trial guilds who's doing vet dlc trials require dummy parse, achievements etc. You can join without but if you wanna participate then you have to show that you are capable pulling your weight. I wouldn't call them elitist organization.
Also it cost alot of gold to hire a trader, millions in major cities. That's why most guilds have sales requirements or fees.
If you're looking for a free ride and just chill and leech then social all round guild is better option I agree.0 -
Haquor✭✭✭✭✭TBH im pretry impressed you farmed Vma with less than 13k dps on a stam dk to get your bow.
And how do you have the skill to achieve flawless conq on a stam dk and not manage to get a basic rotation down for 40k dps on a dummy?
This really suprised me.
Grats tho.Edited by Haquor on May 15, 2019 10:29AM0 -
Neyane✭✭✭✭Awesome job mate this is wonderful! Keep up the good work and you can hit even higher. When I first started I was absolutely garbage, and the highest I ever got was 20k. Then suddenly I started to practice more and work harder, and was able to hit 25k, 30k and then 40k+. It's such an awesome feeling when you finally hit those high numbers and you wonder "why did I struggle so much back then?"The most important thing in life is enjoying yourself.ValkyrieMikuu ♥1200+ PC EU ♥1000+ PS EU ♥Last time I played ESO on PC was before covid. I'm back ^.^1 -
Mariusghost84✭✭✭✭✭TBH im pretry impressed you farmed Vma with less than 13k dps on a stam dk to get your bow.
And how do you have the skill to achieve flawless conq on a stam dk and not manage to get a basic rotation down for 40k dps on a dummy?
This really suprised me.
Grats tho.
I loled at this but yeah! I did farm it with super low dps. Rotation has never Been easy for me and i have major issues with la weaving. Getting flawless was insane and took a long time but still easiere than Getting to 40k dps on dummy apparently lol. I think im doing something basic very wrong when it comes to la weaving, but i dont have anyone to show me where i mess up!0 -
Mariusghost84✭✭✭✭✭AlgisOthal wrote: »
Yes, that done soloMariusghost84 wrote: »I LOVE checking out others builds and getting the superstar pic + the metrics pars itself! Are you saying you really did 52k dps by YOURSELF, without anyone assisting you at the dummy ( with major fracture and synergies etc ) ? Are you for real bro?
Major fracture - Noxious Breath, no synergy.
That was 2 days on PTS playing with build. No magic xD
5th skill - rune from Fighter Guild (Ring of Preservation). Apply +3% dmg for dots on back-bar. No need to use, just slot. Can swap with vigor if neededMariusghost84 wrote: »Also, what is that last ability on your second bar?
My next goal in eso is to replicate that parse that you did. Now its official. You inspired me! Thats just insane man. Gonna wait til it goes live though 👍0 -
Mariusghost84✭✭✭✭✭AlgisOthal wrote: »
Yes, that done soloMariusghost84 wrote: »I LOVE checking out others builds and getting the superstar pic + the metrics pars itself! Are you saying you really did 52k dps by YOURSELF, without anyone assisting you at the dummy ( with major fracture and synergies etc ) ? Are you for real bro?
Major fracture - Noxious Breath, no synergy.
That was 2 days on PTS playing with build. No magic xD
5th skill - rune from Fighter Guild (Ring of Preservation). Apply +3% dmg for dots on back-bar. No need to use, just slot. Can swap with vigor if neededMariusghost84 wrote: »Also, what is that last ability on your second bar?
Could you please do a parse with same setup on live server and post the results? Im very curious.0 -
The_Lex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Can someone explain why 3 BT works better than having some combo of BT and Infused? Seems like having no jewelry traits until execute phase wouldn't be ideal.
Edited by The_Lex on May 16, 2019 3:12PM0 -
AlgisOthalSoul ShrivenCan someone explain why 3 BT works better than having some combo of BT and Infused? Seems like having no jewelry traits until execute phase wouldn't be ideal.
It's a math:
Look at Damage Tooltip for BT:
4307 wpd, 33451 stamina
wpd + stamina / 10.5 = 7492
For Infused:
4307 + 130 * 3 wpd, 33451 stamina
tooltip = 7870
The next, look at fight.
More tooltip = more dps = less time for fight
This is "specific cooficient" of time fight:
10000 / 7870 = 1.2705
Then look at BT.
Stam DK don't have execute skills. And 4th part of fight he use same skills. But on 4th part BT take 30% more damage. Look at "specific cooficient" of time fight:
7500 / 7492 + 2500 / ( 7492 * 1.3 ) = 1.1972
Less time = more dps.
For 2 BT 1 inf:
7500 / 7622 + 2500 / ( 7622 * 1.2 ) = 1.2573
For 1 BT 2 Inf:
7500 / 7752 + 2500 / ( 7752 * 1.1 ) = 1.2606
Conclusion:
1.1972 - min of values.
3 BT better than 3 Infused, if you have same skills before and after 25% of target1
