Remove Champion Points and go back to Veteran Ranks. Champion Points do not work and all they do is increase power creep.

Should be called gear progression

I only play one character. Mainly due to not having account wide achievements and titles.

So I’m order for me to be excited when I level up I’m going to need account wide achievements and titles first.

I might be weird in that I enjoy leveling Alts. Of course, i am also not in an all fired hurry to get an alt leveled.

However, on my end game characters, a new CP Point is an interesting thing, in that it tells me I have earned another Million CXPs.

I look forward to it because that means I get to say “Champion Point” like “KOBE!” every few hours and somehow that doesn’t get old.

Champion system is terrible and should die in agony.

I look forward to it because that means I get to say “Champion Point” like “KOBE!” every few hours and somehow that doesn’t get old.

idk wrote: »

I have never been excited about gaining a new level in any game. It is just a meaningless mechanics.

The game is about two things. The stories and what we do after we finish the stories. Unlocking a new skill or gaining CP is just work needed so we can do what we want to do. Nothing more and nothing less.

There’s stories in ESO? I just thought I was supposed to hit A as fast as I could. Interesting.

@Tasear I enjoy not having to regrind or recraft all my gear. I hope they change CP to be easier and clearer to allocate, because it's hard helping someone do their CP when you have a different playstyle than them. For example, I could give you all my build info on the Sorc Tank I showed you and it may not perform the same for you because you do things differently than I do. Maybe you heavy attack more, so you don't need as much regen as I do etc.

One thing I like about leveling alts are the little goodies you get. An outfit here, maybe a new pet. And a nice little stat boost you can click on. It's kinda fun, even if most of what you get is useless. It feels like more than just another samey-same CP or dull-as-dishwater skill point. I have extra skillpoints on most of my alts once I get past the third Alliance zone map...zzzz.

Champion points are nice in that you really finally do begin to feel more powerful in relation to the environment instead of the feeling of losing power as your armor degrades while leveling. There are too frigging many, though, and they take forever to earn. Plus, as you get higher up, you need so many to see an improvement that they start to feel pointless and frustrating. (CP 707 right now).

Sylvermynx wrote: »

This game still confuzzles me. I came from WoW and RIFT where you get more levels, and have to regear etc. - which makes perfect sense to me. ESO's setup doesn't. Of course, I also came from the entire TES single-player games cycle, where you also just keep leveling up, and regearing.

I guess I think ESO thought it should be different. But for me, it's painfully different.

Since One Tamriel it really wouldn't make any sense to keep increasing levels. Everything scales to your level anyway.

Starlock wrote: »

Short of developing ESO2, these are systemic issues that cannot be fixed entirely. A good step forward would be to abolish item levels and rework the crafting system accordingly. Don't see that happening, though.

They can be fixed, they just don't have the guts to do so. A major redesign would make the progression and fighting infinetely better, but that drastic a change would probably broing out the proverbial pitchforks and torches. Which, in ZOS's world, translates as "less income". Considering some prices in the crown stores, they already don't know how to earn money (once again I'll mention the outfit slots, yes... 1500 crowns for one single character-only slot is armed robbery, at this price it should be account-wide), so might as well give it a try.

Things I'd change :

- Away with levels. Plain and simple. They are already meaningless, and as you described, they make things WORSE as you advance, until you reach gear cap. To avoid mass suicide of crafters, though, maybe keep some sort of progression. Something like "better gear requires more advanced skill to use". Like, you can't equip the current CP 160 armor until you have reached 50 in appropriate the armor skill line. Can't use CP 160 greatsword until you reached 50 in two-handed.

The problem would be that, since those skills advance at different speed, matching gear would be a nightmare. And the loot tables would need to be entirely revised. So... maybe just "away with levels". That's probably the hardest pill to swallow for everyone, though.


- Away with the damage tied to ressource pools. That never made sense anyway, and is a hindrance to creative builds. You kinda need to chose the morph that suits your specialty, when it exists. The number of stam morph for class skills is ridiculously low, and magic users don't really have a choice when it comes to weapons. Make all skills and weapons use the same ressource, or keep the different ressource pools to stay in line with previous Elder Scrolls, but make the both ressource pools grow simultaneously, and have damaged detached from them. That would require a redesign of most sets, though.

Basically, I'd like to see 3 different attribues : HP, unchanged ; Power, that defines both weapon attacks and skill use efficiency (either heals, damage or whatever) ; Energy, that defins both the amount of ressource you have and their regeneration speed. This way you can balance between few impactfull attacks or spamming them, or any which way you like. Also, that would allow hybrid builds to be very efficient.


- Along with the "away with levels" thing, away with "I have to use skill 1 of a line so that I gain XP to use skill 2 later so that in the end I can use skill 5". For instance, the only skills i care about in destruction staff line are 2 and 5. Meaning I will have to reset at some point, or wait even longer for the staff to level without a skill equipped. Let use chose any skill we like to start with, in any order. BUT... To keep some sense of progression, we can't open another skill of that line before some threshold has been reached, either by morphing the skill, reaching a given rank in the skill line or whatever.

Of course, that would also mean we're able to preview morphs before even chosing a skill. How van a choice be significant if we don't even know what we chose ?


- Separate PvE and PvP skills. The game can already tell when you're in a PvP area and won't let you summon the assistants, so it's not like it's impossible. That way, PvP "balance" wouldn't impact PvE. I'm kinda fed up with my bosmer getting shafted because of some PvP whiners complaining about "snipe is unfair" and whatnot. I'm a PvE thief, or rather I was, so why am I getting a stupid bonus to detection radius that has no use in PvE whatsoever ? Oh, right, because stealth was unfair combined with a bow. In PvP. Probably still is, but hey, whatever.


- Redesign all gear sets to be custom. Since it will be needed anyway if those changes happen, why not ?

Keep the 4 bonus system and all, just make it modular, so people can chose whatever bous they like. Away with "I need to loot this in some dungeon" or even "I need to get to forge X to make it". Make it so that people can CHOSE their bonuses when crafting. Said bonus might need to be unmocked first, but not with a month long research, thank you. Maybe by actually going to where the forges we have today are to discover the process. For PvP players, remove the tedium by making the bonuses also available through alliance points or some other PvP currency, so thay don't HAVE to explore the world, which they might find boring, to get what trait they like.

Actually, maybe keep the drops as they are and just make it so for crafting, this way people don't HAVE to craft or find a crafter either. They can get sets that match their needs through drops, or make one.


- Align Jewellery to other crafts. The way it is now, it was designed to be a pain in the bottom. I think the word used back then was "significant", but there is NOTHING significant in mind-numbing farm. Gather a zillion ressources to get enough temper ? Yeah, sure. We do it already on 6 other crafts. Gather a zillion ressources to get enough PARTS of a temper that needs refining, then do it all over and over and over again to get ONE temper, then again and again and again to actually have enough to improve one piece ? This is korean MMORPG level of mindless.

Jewellery should have been ingame from the start. Trying to make it "harder and more significant" by making it a dumb farming isn't doing much good to fix a major overlook that took 4 years to fix. It's so irrelevant and NOT significant that most people can't even be arsed making jewellery writ, even when they reward enormous amounts of vouchers. They are simply not worth it, as demonstrated by theirincredibly low value when traded between player. That system is a failure, if the goal was to make it "significant". Making it uselessly boring and mind numbing, however ? That worked just fine.


- Make racial passives selectable among a pool of available choices for the race. Like, for instance, each race picks 3 passives in a pool of 6. Meaning EACH racial passive should be balanced by itself, and that's probably the hardest part as of today, since even racest hat share the same basic structure for passives are not on the same footing. I'm thinking about "gain resist to X, immunity to Y, and Z ressource". The ressource amount varies from 0 to 2000 depending on the race.

This would allow to retain some racial identity as per the previous chapters while still not forcing useless PvP racials on PvE people (also true the other way around, even though I can't think of any passive that is very useful in PvE and useless entirely in PvP, but I'm no PvP expert). Could even have some PvP-oriented passives and some PvE ones, with corresponding advice when creating the character.

That way, Bosmers would still be able to pick the stealth they uised to share with Khajiits. There would need some exclusives, too. I can imagine the Imperial ressource regen to be an exclusive, or the bosmers's ability to roll on the floor to pick up speed (I utterly despise that one, to the point I have 3 more free skill points since it landed, but I understand some people like it). The resist disease would be available to Bosmers and Argonians, the resist poison would be exclusive to Argonians, for instance. Again, flexibility and creativity, more custom character tailoring, all for the best. But that would require some ACTUAL balancing instead of some thinly veiled PvP buff.


The good things with the changes I'm proposing is that they are not intertwined. They could be made one by one, progressively, or even only some of them. Maybe they wouldn't want to abandon levels, but the sets could still be made modular, for instance. Personnaly, the ones I want the most are the "aways with ressource pools", "modular gear" and "custom racial traits".

Since everything in the game "levels" with you ...for me there is absolutely no sense of progress at all......kinda took the fun out of the game

I'm not a fan of the current 1-50 leveling system that makes you weaker by leveling up. Only reason why I look forward on gaining levels on alts is because I come closer to use my farmed CP160 gear. But the process to that point is a letdown. In every other game you get stronger, not here.
On the other hand I don't know how you can stay true to the 1T thought (playing with everyone, everywhere, no matter the level) without battle scaling. But I haven't pondered much about it as well.

And neither I'm a fan of most parts the CP system. By that I mean the points you actually spend (+x% dmg, healing, mitigation, regen). But I like the CP passives that get unlocked along the way. I'd like to see CP revolve around those passives instead of power creep (jaja, I know, there are other things that push power creep as well).