5.0.4 Incapacitating Strike

TheRealSniker · May 2019

I want the idea of Silence on Incap to be completely scratched and for Zenimax to work on Incap throughout the last week of PTS again, why you ask?

Because Incap at 120ult stunned before and that was something that was supposed to stay on incap in the first place.
Silence came with the removal of Stun because it was considered strong enough...

Now Zenimax made the Silence work like a stun which doesn't even completely disable characters like a classical stun would, so on paper it's just a *** stun

Stamina characters don't even have to break it free resulting in giving them free CC immunity and Magicka characters can dodge roll before any follow up damage happens and break free then...

I never liked the idea of Incap having two effects depending on the cost, now I will have to avoid using Incap at 120 ult due to me not wanting to give my enemy free CC immunity...
Ultimatively can we just remove the Silence from Incap and let it be?
Thanks.

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Bosi · May 2019

Agreed.

If you asked nightblade players, they would've said defile needed to be reduced or removed.

If you asked people who play against nightblades, they would've said defile needed to be reduced or removed.

At no point did anyone ever say they wanted a complete rework of the ultimate.

Hyzock · May 2019

Buff dizzying swing

ESO_Nightingale · May 2019

To be honest, i think a Heal Absorbtion applied on target would make sense and, if applied in a reasonable amount, fair too. If not giving back defile, this is a similar effect to compare it with.

BahometZ · May 2019

NERF SORCS

SippingPotions · May 2019

I think this change is a combination of laziness and unwillingness to admit that they missed the mark again with silence after admitting that they missed the mark with maim.

darkblue5 · May 2019

I think the devs hoped that they could quickly change a couple of things with Nightblades and move on to the main audit and necromancer.
Which honestly might seem like a reasonable plan if you're the optimistic type and the notion of getting involved in lose-lose quagmires isn't made to seem like the likely outcome of any change by your depressed brain.
Really don't totally get the Incap part of it. Just nerf it hard for PvP and leave it bad because there's no way it'll get slotted over a buffed DBoS anyways unless it is horridly over-tuned.

Trandaner · May 2019

Agreed, not only gives it the enemy free CC immunity, but it also makes stam chars in PvP even more viable as they are not really affected by it, this will not help to close the already existing gap between mag and stam. Make it either affect both specs or none of them.

DisgracefulMind · May 2019

Can we just decide on an incap change and stop messing with nbs? The ENTIRE PTS has been focused on NBs lol, I feel like NB is getting released with Elsweyr. There are so many huge class issues (serious ones) that should have been addressed but were entirely ignored because they focused so hard on NB.

Deathlord92 · May 2019

TheRealSniker wrote: »

I want the idea of Silence on Incap to be completely scratched and for Zenimax to work on Incap throughout the last week of PTS again, why you ask?

Because Incap at 120ult stunned before and that was something that was supposed to stay on incap in the first place.
Silence came with the removal of Stun because it was considered strong enough...

Now Zenimax made the Silence work like a stun which doesn't even completely disable characters like a classical stun would, so on paper it's just a *** stun
Stamina characters don't even have to break it free resulting in giving them free CC immunity and Magicka characters can dodge roll before any follow up damage happens and break free then...

I never liked the idea of Incap having two effects depending on the cost, now I will have to avoid using Incap at 120 ult due to me not wanting to give my enemy free CC immunity...
Ultimatively can we just remove the Silence from Incap and let it be?
Thanks.

Keeping defile instead of silence is better we already have fear for our stun and sa from shadow disguise another stun right there this would be better for nb.

Feanor · May 2019

It just makes no sense at all, more so with the “counter play” they added now. A breakable silence is quite worthless - they could have known that already after they reverted the breakable Negate back in the day. If you leave silence as it is, the concerns from magicka characters are valid.

So the best solution would have been to scrap the silence altogether. And if you wanted a necessary distinction to DBoS, I’d probably have thought along the lines of making the next 2 attacks after an Incap 50% cheaper or something. As long as DBoS stays as is any stam ult will have a hard time competing unless you overload it.

Maverick_Brian · May 2019

Nerftheforums · May 2019

We are all so delusional that we expected soemthing decent from these patch notes.

Ragnaroek93 · May 2019

Let's give Incap a tank passive instead

Pelican · May 2019

I wish they just removed defile and make the ulti stun everytime at 70 ult

Deathlord92 · May 2019

Maverick_Brian wrote: »

Lmao 😂😭😂

GeorgeBlack · May 2019

Hahahha can we make silence last for like 5s?
Ima keep fighting till the last second and then break free so that I can keep fighting.

Anyway NBs.... keep using Incap for romantic reasons, Just Like We Have Been Using Leap, and when you had enough slot DawnBreaker. Mb then Zos will nerf it and we can go back to Class identities.

Joy_Division · May 2019

TheRealSniker wrote: »

I want the idea of Silence on Incap to be completely scratched and for Zenimax to work on Incap throughout the last week of PTS again, why you ask?

Because Incap at 120ult stunned before and that was something that was supposed to stay on incap in the first place.
Silence came with the removal of Stun because it was considered strong enough...

Now Zenimax made the Silence work like a stun which doesn't even completely disable characters like a classical stun would, so on paper it's just a *** stun
Stamina characters don't even have to break it free resulting in giving them free CC immunity and Magicka characters can dodge roll before any follow up damage happens and break free then...

I never liked the idea of Incap having two effects depending on the cost, now I will have to avoid using Incap at 120 ult due to me not wanting to give my enemy free CC immunity...
Ultimatively can we just remove the Silence from Incap and let it be?
Thanks.

Welcome to what we templars have had to deal with for years.

But, yes, you are right, the Silence is actually a noticeable nerf.

TheRealSniker · May 2019

I have been testing Incap on PTS and can confirm that the 120ult version feels MUCH weaker than the 70ult version. The only time I killed my opponent is when I timed my 70ult well with another followup stun before or after.

For some reason sometimes the silence bugs out and I am not even able to Heavy attack stun my offbalanced enemy into 120ult incap...
This might have something to do with HA delay thats also happening with the guaranteed crit from cloak...

Ryanoxx · May 2019

They should give back Defile but all abilities should just provide Minor Defile. Just my opinion. I'd be happy with that (I main MagDk and MagSorc). Stamina Necros have Major defile on the skeletton and it's too much in my opinion since the ability deals good damage and also applies the Defile all the time while its not an ultimate. Incaps rework doesn't make any sense. To not buff Heavy Armor Nbs just make every ability that applies Defile Minor Defile so they can't stack Minor and Major Defile with incap and reverb. Major Defile would only be accessable through sets and disease glyphs. What do you think? @TheRealSniker

I also think healing right now is too high in general but thats another thing.

Iskiab · May 2019

Every stamina class has access to major defile if they want it. Just drop incap, new version looks like a pure pve ability.

psychotic13 · May 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Every stamina class has access to major defile if they want it. Just drop incap, new version looks like a pure pve ability.

Exactly, reverb or cyrodils ward or even a defile enchant are all reliable sources of major defile. Personally think Dawnbreakers going to be a better ult cause its AoE.

Iskiab · May 2019

psychotic13 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Every stamina class has access to major defile if they want it. Just drop incap, new version looks like a pure pve ability.

Exactly, reverb or cyrodils ward or even a defile enchant are all reliable sources of major defile. Personally think Dawnbreakers going to be a better ult cause its AoE.

Definitely. It looks like a no brainer choice to me. I expect there will be hundreds of stamblade crying threads until people catch on and adapt.

First month of the pvp forums after Elswyr are going to be salty.

Katahdin · May 2019

Yup no reason to slot incap any more, especially for pvp.
Gona be dawnbreaker all the way.

TheRealSniker · May 2019

Ryanoxx wrote: »

They should give back Defile but all abilities should just provide Minor Defile. Just my opinion. I'd be happy with that (I main MagDk and MagSorc). Stamina Necros have Major defile on the skeletton and it's too much in my opinion since the ability deals good damage and also applies the Defile all the time while its not an ultimate. Incaps rework doesn't make any sense. To not buff Heavy Armor Nbs just make every ability that applies Defile Minor Defile so they can't stack Minor and Major Defile with incap and reverb. Major Defile would only be accessable through sets and disease glyphs. What do you think? @TheRealSniker

I also think healing right now is too high in general but thats another thing.

Nerfing Reverb would cause alot of builds lose a lot of pressure, it surely is a healthy idea.
When that would happen then I dont know if Incap really needs its Defile back as the meta would switch heavily.

Murador178 · May 2019

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Let's give Incap a tank passive instead

Since we are seemingly supposed to be the new tank class we could change incap into a reflect

or maybe a 20k damage shield.

They rly want every stamina char to be generic sword and board chars without class identity - heroic slash and reverb (I dont know why incap needs to lose defile if a weaponskill can have it on a CC without any ultcost...).

Also disappointed that the new necromancer spammable spells are both not performing well so necromancer is another class with one burst spell - 1 damage over time and a ton of buffs - damn that sounds like a complete new concept

.

Just buff all those class spammables - buff jabs, give stam sorc a class spammable, change SA back (now every sword and board nb will run heroic slash...), buff the cliffracers, concealed etc. Buff the sythe from necromancers - add some combos like e.g. cloak SA to all classes.

Yeah balance is nice but in the end its not a competitive game (even tetris is more competitve

) - and removing class identity more and more still didnt solve the balance problem until now.

TheRealSniker · May 2019

Murador178 wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Let's give Incap a tank passive instead

Since we are seemingly supposed to be the new tank class we could change incap into a reflect or maybe a 20k damage shield.

They rly want every stamina char to be generic sword and board chars without class identity - heroic slash and reverb (I dont know why incap needs to lose defile if a weaponskill can have it on a CC without any ultcost...).

Also disappointed that the new necromancer spammable spells are both not performing well so necromancer is another class with one burst spell - 1 damage over time and a ton of buffs - damn that sounds like a complete new concept .

Just buff all those class spammables - buff jabs, give stam sorc a class spammable, change SA back (now every sword and board nb will run heroic slash...), buff the cliffracers, concealed etc. Buff the sythe from necromancers - add some combos like e.g. cloak SA to all classes.

Yeah balance is nice but in the end its not a competitive game (even tetris is more competitve ) - and removing class identity more and more still didnt solve the balance problem until now.