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Best alternative to Siroria?

Amorpho
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Even though Siroria is #1 for magicka dps on a target dummy, I find that it is often under performing in a live scenario (raid). What is the best replacement for Siroria to run alongside Spell Strategist?

Mother's Sorrow (for non-pet build)?
Necropotence (for pet build)?
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  • SidraWillowsky
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    I'd say Mother's Sorrow for sure for non-pet. You could also try Master Architect if you're in a more optimized raid group, have a relatively inexpensive ulti, and there aren't too many other players wearing MA/War Machine.
  • carlos424
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    Some people with pet builds hit very hard with necropotence and mechanical acuity. Come to think of it, my highest dummy parses (magplar) are with mechanical acuity and sororia. Ideally, you would want one trials set with minor slayer. The new trials set (false gods devotion) should be good for sorcs, and a viable alternative to sororia.
  • Amorpho
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    Master Architect would be ideal for a magblade (I'm still after a fire staff!) but I am more thinking about a magsorc (pet and non pet). I've used Mechanical Acuity for a while but I have a bit of trouble with uptime
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    Magicka Sorcerer, Altmer - Master Crafter
    Magicka Templar, Altmer
    Magicka Nightblade, Breton
    Stamina Nightblade, Khajiit

    PVP
    Magicka Sorcerer, Altmer
    Magicka Templar, Altmer
    Stamina Templar, Orsimer
    Stamina Dragonknight, Dunmer
    Stamina Warden, Orsimer

    Aldmeri Dominion - 1700+ CP

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  • worrallj
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    I don't know if it's top end, but for a melee Magicka templar using sweeps, I'm really enjoying spell strat & auroran. Been struggling to increase my DPS, and this is the first build I've been breaking 30k DPS on.
  • siddique
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    BSW could work too. I like the sound of the combination of bsw/Ms/zaan
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  • Amorpho
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    siddique wrote: »
    BSW could work too. I like the sound of the combination of bsw/Ms/zaan

    Yes, I thought too about BSW. I wonder what the uptime would be though. Also, I'm not sure if I should focus on crit damage on magsorc. Anyone know if Mother's Sorrow is stronger than BSW?
    The Gaming Rev
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    Magicka Sorcerer, Altmer - Master Crafter
    Magicka Templar, Altmer
    Magicka Nightblade, Breton
    Stamina Nightblade, Khajiit

    PVP
    Magicka Sorcerer, Altmer
    Magicka Templar, Altmer
    Stamina Templar, Orsimer
    Stamina Dragonknight, Dunmer
    Stamina Warden, Orsimer

    Aldmeri Dominion - 1700+ CP

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  • siddique
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    I'm a petsorc and I use Zaan/Necro/MS. Siroria instead of necro gives me higher dps on a target dummy but as you said, in real-time situations, it's kind of meh. So I'm planning to replace that with BSW soon.

    If you have a pet, necro+Ms if not, you could switch necro with BSW I guess.

    Mother's Sorrow is a pretty good set.
    "Knee-jerk reactionist."
    Lost Depths, 2015-2022.
  • WrathOfInnos
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    Mother’s Sorrow is great for a pet build too, it is usually better than Necroptence if you are using the Shadow Stone.
  • SidraWillowsky
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    Amorpho wrote: »
    siddique wrote: »
    BSW could work too. I like the sound of the combination of bsw/Ms/zaan

    Yes, I thought too about BSW. I wonder what the uptime would be though. Also, I'm not sure if I should focus on crit damage on magsorc. Anyone know if Mother's Sorrow is stronger than BSW?

    I don't know, but I'm curious too. On my magblade I can hit 33k on the dummy with the meta Siroria/Spell Strat/Zaan. The other setup I run is MS/BSW/Skoria and only hit about 27k on that, though during very mobile trial fights where there's not a lot of potential for extended single-target damage, it performs pretty well. It's also my go-to for most solo play (public dungeons, general questing, etc). I'll have to try the BSW/MS/Zaan setup as well. I like Skoria just because the proc is fun, but it too performs better in a non-single-target situation.

    tl;dr my magblade single-target setup is Siroria/Spell Strat/Zaan; AOE-focused setup is BSW/Mother's Sorrow/Skoria
  • Amorpho
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    Mother’s Sorrow is great for a pet build too, it is usually better than Necroptence if you are using the Shadow Stone.

    Yes, I'm using the shadow stone!
    The Gaming Rev
    YouTube channel - https://youtube.com/c/TheGamingRev

    Characters

    PVE
    Magicka Sorcerer, Altmer - Master Crafter
    Magicka Templar, Altmer
    Magicka Nightblade, Breton
    Stamina Nightblade, Khajiit

    PVP
    Magicka Sorcerer, Altmer
    Magicka Templar, Altmer
    Stamina Templar, Orsimer
    Stamina Dragonknight, Dunmer
    Stamina Warden, Orsimer

    Aldmeri Dominion - 1700+ CP

    XboxOne EU
  • DClem85
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    Siroria/MS for single target that doesnt move
    MS and spell strat for single target dynamic
    MS and BSW for multi target

    some folks will still siroria in places like cloudrest. I stay away from necro even a 1 pet guy, the LA crits are more important that pet zap.
  • carlos424
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    Amorpho wrote: »
    Mother’s Sorrow is great for a pet build too, it is usually better than Necroptence if you are using the Shadow Stone.

    Yes, I'm using the shadow stone!

    Really, all sorcs using crystal frags, no matter the sets, should be running the shadow mundus for max damage. Anybody using mother’s sorrow should likewise run the shadow.
    Edited by carlos424 on May 13, 2019 7:10PM
  • siddique
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    I hit 39k with Zaan/Necro/MS and 41/42k with Zaan/Siroria/MS. Still need to gitgud and push it over 45k but got my vma staff today, let's see how much that'll help.
    "Knee-jerk reactionist."
    Lost Depths, 2015-2022.
  • Runefang
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    DClem85 wrote: »
    Siroria/MS for single target that doesnt move
    MS and spell strat for single target dynamic
    MS and BSW for multi.

    This except for multi I do Necro and acuity. Not sure if that tops BSW and MS.

    I know Siroria, especially perfected, can be used in all trials regardless of boss movement but I’m just not experienced enough yet.
  • IonicKai
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    If you are using fire staves then I would suggest MS/BSW as you will get good up time on the BSW and you only need to front bar MS. For the lightning themed old school pet build I would run julianos (front bar only if you have vMA staff)/nercopotence for stable high damage although spell strat will be better than julianos if it's boss fights where there is usually one target for long periods of time (most trials).
  • Matthew_Galvanus
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    i like siroria, but realistically it is unusable in endgame unless you plan on turreting
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