Best alternative to Siroria?

Amorpho · May 2019

Even though Siroria is #1 for magicka dps on a target dummy, I find that it is often under performing in a live scenario (raid). What is the best replacement for Siroria to run alongside Spell Strategist?

Mother's Sorrow (for non-pet build)?
Necropotence (for pet build)?

Chaos2088 · May 2019

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SidraWillowsky · May 2019

I'd say Mother's Sorrow for sure for non-pet. You could also try Master Architect if you're in a more optimized raid group, have a relatively inexpensive ulti, and there aren't too many other players wearing MA/War Machine.

carlos424 · May 2019

Some people with pet builds hit very hard with necropotence and mechanical acuity. Come to think of it, my highest dummy parses (magplar) are with mechanical acuity and sororia. Ideally, you would want one trials set with minor slayer. The new trials set (false gods devotion) should be good for sorcs, and a viable alternative to sororia.

Amorpho · May 2019

Master Architect would be ideal for a magblade (I'm still after a fire staff!) but I am more thinking about a magsorc (pet and non pet). I've used Mechanical Acuity for a while but I have a bit of trouble with uptime

worrallj · May 2019

I don't know if it's top end, but for a melee Magicka templar using sweeps, I'm really enjoying spell strat & auroran. Been struggling to increase my DPS, and this is the first build I've been breaking 30k DPS on.

siddique · May 2019

BSW could work too. I like the sound of the combination of bsw/Ms/zaan

Amorpho · May 2019

siddique wrote: »

BSW could work too. I like the sound of the combination of bsw/Ms/zaan

Yes, I thought too about BSW. I wonder what the uptime would be though. Also, I'm not sure if I should focus on crit damage on magsorc. Anyone know if Mother's Sorrow is stronger than BSW?

siddique · May 2019

I'm a petsorc and I use Zaan/Necro/MS. Siroria instead of necro gives me higher dps on a target dummy but as you said, in real-time situations, it's kind of meh. So I'm planning to replace that with BSW soon.

If you have a pet, necro+Ms if not, you could switch necro with BSW I guess.

Mother's Sorrow is a pretty good set.

WrathOfInnos · May 2019

Mother’s Sorrow is great for a pet build too, it is usually better than Necroptence if you are using the Shadow Stone.

SidraWillowsky · May 2019

Amorpho wrote: »

siddique wrote: »

BSW could work too. I like the sound of the combination of bsw/Ms/zaan

Yes, I thought too about BSW. I wonder what the uptime would be though. Also, I'm not sure if I should focus on crit damage on magsorc. Anyone know if Mother's Sorrow is stronger than BSW?

I don't know, but I'm curious too. On my magblade I can hit 33k on the dummy with the meta Siroria/Spell Strat/Zaan. The other setup I run is MS/BSW/Skoria and only hit about 27k on that, though during very mobile trial fights where there's not a lot of potential for extended single-target damage, it performs pretty well. It's also my go-to for most solo play (public dungeons, general questing, etc). I'll have to try the BSW/MS/Zaan setup as well. I like Skoria just because the proc is fun, but it too performs better in a non-single-target situation.

tl;dr my magblade single-target setup is Siroria/Spell Strat/Zaan; AOE-focused setup is BSW/Mother's Sorrow/Skoria

Amorpho · May 2019

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Mother’s Sorrow is great for a pet build too, it is usually better than Necroptence if you are using the Shadow Stone.

Yes, I'm using the shadow stone!

DClem85 · May 2019

Siroria/MS for single target that doesnt move
MS and spell strat for single target dynamic
MS and BSW for multi target

some folks will still siroria in places like cloudrest. I stay away from necro even a 1 pet guy, the LA crits are more important that pet zap.

carlos424 · May 2019

Amorpho wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Mother’s Sorrow is great for a pet build too, it is usually better than Necroptence if you are using the Shadow Stone.

Yes, I'm using the shadow stone!

Really, all sorcs using crystal frags, no matter the sets, should be running the shadow mundus for max damage. Anybody using mother’s sorrow should likewise run the shadow.

siddique · May 2019

I hit 39k with Zaan/Necro/MS and 41/42k with Zaan/Siroria/MS. Still need to gitgud and push it over 45k but got my vma staff today, let's see how much that'll help.

Runefang · May 2019

DClem85 wrote: »

Siroria/MS for single target that doesnt move
MS and spell strat for single target dynamic
MS and BSW for multi.

This except for multi I do Necro and acuity. Not sure if that tops BSW and MS.

I know Siroria, especially perfected, can be used in all trials regardless of boss movement but I’m just not experienced enough yet.

IonicKai · May 2019

If you are using fire staves then I would suggest MS/BSW as you will get good up time on the BSW and you only need to front bar MS. For the lightning themed old school pet build I would run julianos (front bar only if you have vMA staff)/nercopotence for stable high damage although spell strat will be better than julianos if it's boss fights where there is usually one target for long periods of time (most trials).

Matthew_Galvanus · May 2019

i like siroria, but realistically it is unusable in endgame unless you plan on turreting