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Stam sorcs seriously need some changes
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cpuScientist✭✭✭✭✭
✭CurvedSwords123 wrote: »MinaevNaKone wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno
Please pay attention to this post. Stamsorc really needs extra stammorphs. Stampets would be a great addition to the new Chapter!
Stam pets is a terrible idea. Go play a warden with yogi.
Keep pets on magSorc3 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Maybe y’all will get some attention during the next chapter expansion.Edited by Insco851 on May 13, 2019 2:04PM1 -
Jabassa✭✭✭GreatWhite wrote: »Currently there are only a few skills stam sorcs have that are remotely useful:
Bound Armaments
Critical Surge
Dark Deal
Hurricane
Streak
That's it. Only one stam morph in the entire class. It's mobility is great with streak but it lacks a lot of identity that the other classes have because of the fact that there are so few options with regards as to what skills you are have available to use, and the entire class crutches heavily on the weapon skills. It doesn't have a skill that blows up after a few seconds or an execute, just a little DoT that is mostly used as an armour buff. Stam sorcs needing some TLC is especially noticeable now that implosion has been removed from the game, and it's a little disappointing that the class has basically received no love in the 5.0 PTS.
I wholeheartedly agree, so long as it doesn't come at the expense of my mag sorc. I really feel it's time for three morph options0 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭CurvedSwords123 wrote: »MinaevNaKone wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno
Please pay attention to this post. Stamsorc really needs extra stammorphs. Stampets would be a great addition to the new Chapter!
Stam pets is a terrible idea. Go play a warden with yogi.
Just make pets scale to highest resource not even a stam morph. Would open alt options to bounda arma slotting for the health and stam rec and allow us to use the hp bonus pets offer0 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mettaricana wrote: »CurvedSwords123 wrote: »MinaevNaKone wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno
Please pay attention to this post. Stamsorc really needs extra stammorphs. Stampets would be a great addition to the new Chapter!
Stam pets is a terrible idea. Go play a warden with yogi.
Just make pets scale to highest resource not even a stam morph. Would open alt options to bounda arma slotting for the health and stam rec and allow us to use the hp bonus pets offer
Stam pet sorcs.... i’d.... rather not.6 -
ilcavallo✭✭✭Well, that settles it. We'll definitely be getting stampets at some point in the near future3
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BaylorCorvette✭✭✭✭✭Talking with some other StamSorcs, we came up with a list of things that we think would be great for StamSorc. Most of us are PvPers but a lot of this would be good for PvE. StamSorc on live right now isn't terrible and in fact with the changes to weapon abilities next patch it will make StamSorc stronger. StamSorc just needs some tweaking IMHO.
1. Crit Surge scaling off of precise strikes and any other stam alternatives
2. Increase damage to hurricane or at least the initial two ticks as it gets refreshed before the third tier really has a chance to hit. That or make it last longer so it doesn't need to be refreshed as often and will have more time in it's third time expanding Also, it giving group minor expedition.
3. Exploitation Passive gives minor savagery if stam is your higher resource
4. Capacitor Also give stam regeneration.
5. Stamina version of atronarch that follows you around doing aoe damage (similar to Eye of the Storm). This is only useful IMO if it moves like this and is not stationary like the current atro. A StamSorc is a very mobile class.
6. Stamina version of overload. Gives major expedition when active and attacks have a shorter range than there magicka counterparts
The less concrete wants that we feel would have to be really well tested for balance and such are-
Bound armaments blocking reduction is underused and instead of the blocking bonus we'd love it to apply another small aoe around us, similar to blade cloak or a more useful passive as we're severely lacking in the buff and debuff department. A stam version for crystal blast as it's unused in pve and pvp. They could give the stun to frags and us a stam morph and it would make everyone happy and I'd love to take advantage of the blood magic passive. I'd say it'd have to be fairly short range, maybe 12 meters. For streak I'd love to see the delay taken away when casting.
Supreme Leader Corvette - StamSorc
Founder of Dominion Special Forces
YouTube - ESO & Automotive Racing
DC Zerg Busting2 -
Sarousse✭✭✭✭✭
✭See ? Patch Notes 5.0.4 : stamsorc can die in hell. Like in all patches.Edited by Sarousse on May 13, 2019 3:42PM1 -
BaylorCorvette✭✭✭✭✭See ? Patch Notes 5.0.4 : stamsorc can die in hell. Like in all patches.
Obviously they weren't going to make any major class changes the last week of PTS. It was always going to be tweaks. After the second week of PTS it was clear StamSorc wasn't going to be touched.Supreme Leader Corvette - StamSorc
Founder of Dominion Special Forces
YouTube - ESO & Automotive Racing
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Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SORC...........does that not give any hint as to its primary skill line? seriously1 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »SORC...........does that not give any hint as to its primary skill line? seriously
Get a grip how this game works before posting stuff like this.3 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭CurvedSwords123 wrote: »Ignored again.
Don't worry, we probably find a way to exploit sets/ to make sorcs broken, until they losten to us. FYI, ravager set niw works on rapid strike, and rapid strikes got a 21%boost for dmg.
Rapid strikes has beem always a spammable on my sorc, it is time to be cancerous.0 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »CurvedSwords123 wrote: »Ignored again.
Don't worry, we probably find a way to exploit sets/ to make sorcs broken, until they losten to us. FYI, ravager set niw works on rapid strike, and rapid strikes got a 21%boost for dmg.
Rapid strikes has beem always a spammable on my sorc, it is time to be cancerous.
Does Ravager work on Rapids again for real? All strikes or just the last one? Need to test this now, thanks mate.0 -
cpuScientist✭✭✭✭✭
✭They were never going to be able to mess with stamSorcs at the same time as a new class. Look what Happened when they touched Nightblade and everyone lost their minds and they had to focus on that for 3 weeks. Imagine that but also touching magSorcs toys too. The forum would be flooded and everyone would forget about necro.
Next patch cycle is all I'm saying. They have to touch stamSorc and stamPlar then as it is all about the passive interaction in class. So just have detailed concrete examples and arguments, robust discussions in the sorc feedback thread and we will be fine.1 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »CurvedSwords123 wrote: »Ignored again.
Don't worry, we probably find a way to exploit sets/ to make sorcs broken, until they losten to us. FYI, ravager set niw works on rapid strike, and rapid strikes got a 21%boost for dmg.
Rapid strikes has beem always a spammable on my sorc, it is time to be cancerous.
Does Ravager work on Rapids again for real? All strikes or just the last one? Need to test this now, thanks mate.
@universal_wrath
I tested the normal DW skills on PTS and the only things that proc Ravager are Twin Slashes's initial hit and Spin 2 Win.
[edit: didn't test all the morphs, just the base skills since I don't see why the morphs would behave differently in mechanics]
Quick Cloak, Blood Craze and Dagger however do not proc it. Oddly enough that Cloak doesn't proc since it scales with Master at Arms and is an AoE just like Whirling Blades.
However, I remember that some summers ago I was able to proc Ravager via Flurry. But that didn't last long.Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on May 13, 2019 8:24PM0 -
MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »CurvedSwords123 wrote: »Ignored again.
Don't worry, we probably find a way to exploit sets/ to make sorcs broken, until they losten to us. FYI, ravager set niw works on rapid strike, and rapid strikes got a 21%boost for dmg.
Rapid strikes has beem always a spammable on my sorc, it is time to be cancerous.
Does Ravager work on Rapids again for real? All strikes or just the last one? Need to test this now, thanks mate.
@universal_wrath
I tested the normal DW skills on PTS and the only things that proc Ravager are Twin Slashes's initial hit and Spin 2 Win.
Quick Cloak, Blood Craze and Dagger however do not proc it. Oddly enough that Cloak doesn't proc since it scales with Master at Arms and is an AoE just like Whirling Blades.
However, I remember that some summers ago I was able to proc Ravager via Flurry. But that didn't last long.
Are you sure? Twin Slashes, but not Blood Craze? What about Rending Slashes?
This was written on the first week of the pts. Advancing Yokeda and Ravager have the same "when you deal melee damage" tooltip condition. Ravager doesn't have a cooldown though:
"Advancing Yokeda:- Fixed an issue where this set could not proc off abilities such as Rapid Strikes.
Added a 0.5 second internal cooldown from generating a stack, but increased the duration to 6 seconds from 5 seconds."
Oh and to your point about Quick Cloak:
"Blade Cloak:- Fixed an issue with this ability and its morphs where you could fail to get the damage or any other bonuses provided. You will now always get the pulsing damage and any other bonuses, even if the Major Evasion fails to apply due to having a longer duration bonus existing.
- Fixed an issue where these abilities were being treated as both a DoT and as Direct Damage. They will now properly be treated as Damage over Time, and scale with Thaumaturge, rather than Master at Arms. This means it will also no longer proc things that state "When dealing Melee damage.
- Deadly Cloak (morph): Increased the damage of this morph by approximately 4% so that it properly gains 50% damage compared to the other morph."
0 - Fixed an issue where this set could not proc off abilities such as Rapid Strikes.
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Marshall1289 wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »CurvedSwords123 wrote: »Ignored again.
Don't worry, we probably find a way to exploit sets/ to make sorcs broken, until they losten to us. FYI, ravager set niw works on rapid strike, and rapid strikes got a 21%boost for dmg.
Rapid strikes has beem always a spammable on my sorc, it is time to be cancerous.
Does Ravager work on Rapids again for real? All strikes or just the last one? Need to test this now, thanks mate.
@universal_wrath
I tested the normal DW skills on PTS and the only things that proc Ravager are Twin Slashes's initial hit and Spin 2 Win.
Quick Cloak, Blood Craze and Dagger however do not proc it. Oddly enough that Cloak doesn't proc since it scales with Master at Arms and is an AoE just like Whirling Blades.
However, I remember that some summers ago I was able to proc Ravager via Flurry. But that didn't last long.
Are you sure? Twin Slashes, but not Blood Craze? What about Rending Slashes?
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Ah no, no, don't get that wrong. I tested the base skills only since I don't see why the morphs should behave differently. But I can test that as well, if you wish.Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on May 13, 2019 8:25PM0 -
MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Marshall1289 wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »CurvedSwords123 wrote: »Ignored again.
Don't worry, we probably find a way to exploit sets/ to make sorcs broken, until they losten to us. FYI, ravager set niw works on rapid strike, and rapid strikes got a 21%boost for dmg.
Rapid strikes has beem always a spammable on my sorc, it is time to be cancerous.
Does Ravager work on Rapids again for real? All strikes or just the last one? Need to test this now, thanks mate.
@universal_wrath
I tested the normal DW skills on PTS and the only things that proc Ravager are Twin Slashes's initial hit and Spin 2 Win.
Quick Cloak, Blood Craze and Dagger however do not proc it. Oddly enough that Cloak doesn't proc since it scales with Master at Arms and is an AoE just like Whirling Blades.
However, I remember that some summers ago I was able to proc Ravager via Flurry. But that didn't last long.
Are you sure? Twin Slashes, but not Blood Craze? What about Rending Slashes?
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Ah no, no, don't get that wrong. I tested the base skills only since I don't see why the morphs should behave differently. But I can test that as well, if you wish.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »I tested the normal DW skills on PTS and the only things that proc Ravager are Twin Slashes's initial hit and Spin 2 Win.
Quick Cloak, Blood Craze and Dagger however do not proc it. Oddly enough that Cloak doesn't proc since it scales with Master at Arms and is an AoE just like Whirling Blades.
So when you say Blood Craze on the second line what skill are you referring to? That is a morph of Twin Slashes.
Edit: you are probably referring to the dot which makes sense to not proc as "melee damage".Edited by MashmalloMan on May 13, 2019 9:33PM0 -
Mitaka211✭✭✭✭Hey , at least , they don't annoy you with minor changes.
Templar
Restoring Light
Repentance: This morph will now grey out and become unable to cast if there are no corpses around you.
just what we needed!!!
Anyway i have lost all hope they won't pander to the popular classes every single time. Stamsorcs will see a change next chapter prob....0 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Devs scared of unintentionally buffing Mag Sorc while balancing Stam sorc. They can’t even figure out how to nerf sorc right lol2 -
Ramber✭✭✭✭Unpopular opinion, but i think stam sorc has fantastic identity. You have surge for strong self healing via magic while in battle, hurricane to proc it, dark deal for sustain/healing, streak is used quite often. Its a battlemage and fits that identity.
It is fine these guys just dont know how to adapt. its one of the strongest classes in BGs and i dont even use streak i think its a cheap ability like NBs cloak.1 -
ilcavallo✭✭✭Unpopular opinion, but i think stam sorc has fantastic identity. You have surge for strong self healing via magic while in battle, hurricane to proc it, dark deal for sustain/healing, streak is used quite often. Its a battlemage and fits that identity.
It is fine these guys just dont know how to adapt. its one of the strongest classes in BGs and i dont even use streak i think its a cheap ability like NBs cloak.
lol Says the guy that can't figure out how to counter cloak on a stamsorc5 -
Edwin✭✭✭I don't understand why people are complaining about Hurricane? It's the best armor buff in the game, moving AOE around you, breaks nightblade cloaks passively and does free AOE damage. It's also one of the most unique abilities in the game.1 -
Prutton✭✭✭It is fine these guys just dont know how to adapt. its one of the strongest classes in BGs and i dont even use streak i think its a cheap ability like NBs cloak.
The day I see a cloak NB or a streak stamsorc beating the ass of an equally skilled heavy armor DK or Warden, then I consider what you just said. For now, you look just like a potato.1 -
JackAshes✭✭✭Like many others have suggested I would really like to see a physical damage morph to Overload. Call it Thunderstrike. Let it tic down your ulti like Overload does because that is a unique and fun ulti effect. When activated each use of a weapon attack creates a crack of thunder that does small range aoe damage 5m. With the appropriate sound effect and visual. So it could work with bow or melee weapons. It would add a lot of flavor to the Stam side of Sorc. You could even make heavy attacks like 8m to differentiate the 2 with slightly higher damage.Edited by JackAshes on May 13, 2019 11:31PM0
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ProzTh3Almighty✭✭✭The most viable stam sorc builds are not the representation of the class itself. Take any viable stam sorc build and place the same build on a warden/dk/templar/Nb it will be better in most situations. Its fury/7th/Trollking/BloodSpawn/ heavy armor blah blah but it doesnt have alot of build diversity3
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universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭ProzTh3Almighty wrote: »The most viable stam sorc builds are not the representation of the class itself. Take any viable stam sorc build and place the same build on a warden/dk/templar/Nb it will be better in most situations. Its fury/7th/Trollking/BloodSpawn/ heavy armor blah blah but it doesnt have alot of build diversity
Every build that is vaible on stam sorc, performs better on other classes, even stamplars6
