Battlegrounds are Mindless and Unbalanced, They Aren't Worthy of a Daily Quest.
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Noctus✭✭✭✭✭i can tank up to 3 ppl while providing burst heals to let my dps tank 2 ppl atleast.
https://imgur.com/a/TM2Euha
with pve gear that is
this must be a troll thread idk how someone can get the idea that tanking or healing is weak its too strong infact since dmg mitigation and heal go hand in hand for ur survivability
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david_m_18b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Hrm. You're inaccurate on many subjects and I think it's largely due to your lack of non-CP PvP experience.
Tanks do rather well. Healers can make a massive difference.
You cannot however simply slot impen and play these roles well.
Same with dps.
400k-1mil healing is common for a BG healer depending on the player's around them.
I personally have an "Unkillable" BG sorc tank thread and video
There's absolutely no need to buff healing
Still waiting on that video showing how OP you are.
there are a ton of video from various player showing what this guy claim to do.
The problem is really on your side.1 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is a definite L2P issue on your healer’s part (and possibly your DPS’s part). A competent four-man premade group with a healer and a tether tank will almost always win against randoms — sometimes with no deaths.
Only death here was mine, because I literally had to put my controller down and answer a knock at the door (I thought my BF had forgotten his keys). Our healer almost was able to keep me up during that time, even though my character was standing there doing nothing.1 -
Dark_Lord_Kuro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Is there a specific healing ability nerf that you are talking about? Or just the fact heals are halved in PVP?
Just that they are halved and dps is not. You can dodge all you want, but when a melee train of 3 people is on you and you run out of stamina, I mean, you die to mechanics built into the game. These mechanics say, you cant heal yourself for *** even though you are built for it. Eh?
How many DPS would be in here losing their mind if DPS was cut by 50%?
Ok great, you now know how we feel.
Dps is also halved...0 -
Beardimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Omg what a salty OP...
Learn too play! Impen, resistance, strong gear combos and reactive gameplay is needed for a PvP healer. Stop attacking people just because they disagree with you...
I play just fine, I am waiting for someone to tell me why they are NERFED when DPS is not. The BG's are literally designed for low-IQ brain dead melee trains.
To be honest you've had replies from some of the more experienced BG and noCP players through this thread, and you are just combative, with your couple of months experience. I haven't the energy for the detail, but you have it wrong and L2P in short. Sorry that's naff, but it's the summary of what i would type which is all up there anyway and ignoredXbox One | EU | EP
Beardimus : VR16 Dunmer MagSorc [RIP MagDW 2015-2018]
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Archimus : Bosmer Thief / Archer / Werewolf
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Fighting small scale with : The SAXON Guild
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Bëardimus : L43 Dunmer Magsorc / BG
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Nordimus : VR16 Stamsorc
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He bagged my corpse a few times after shameless sub/spin/DBOS combos, I think that's what he meant.3 -
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✭✭I've healed many battleground matches with a mag sorc that isn't fully optimized to be a healer and was still able to get the job done. In my experience having some kind of healer in the group can be the deciding factor that determines how well your team does in a match.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This thread is a waste of time. The OP has not returned for any other comment and this has just become an echoing chamber.
The OP was never interested in any constructive dialogue but was rather fishing for people to tell him/her that they are right.5 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Hrm. You're inaccurate on many subjects and I think it's largely due to your lack of non-CP PvP experience.
Tanks do rather well. Healers can make a massive difference.
You cannot however simply slot impen and play these roles well.
Same with dps.
400k-1mil healing is common for a BG healer depending on the player's around them.
I personally have an "Unkillable" BG sorc tank thread and video
There's absolutely no need to buff healing
I absolutely agree with this. Healers are doing fine and allow their team to be much more agressive than normal.0 -
Na0cho✭✭✭Battlegrounds aren’t a raid. You don’t take a tank a healer and 2 dps. Everyone should be able to be self sufficient to a point. Sure one guy can be designated healer, but he better be pretty tanky with sword and board on one bar(see fengrush’ guardplar build)
As someone else stated, you need more practice with non cp pvp. You can get defensive or you can accept this advice and work towards getting better. Your choice really.
I also have a build or 2 that are nigh unkillable unless I’m left alone vs a whole team that JUST focuses me down and it still takes them a while.1 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is such a funny thread haha
And both Damage Done and Healing Received are 50% lower in PvP (or BGs). Literally written in your Character window.@ Izaki #PCEU
#FrenchKiss #GoneFor2YearsAndMyGuildDoesn'tRaidAnymore
#MoreDPSthanYou
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv_DX198gmY
Here OP, battleground healer build for dummies. Learn to play, learn to build, stop blaming the game for your own lack of experience. This is more of a tank than a healer but still you should be very , very hard to kill in this, and thats the point of healers; Delaying your bad team's inevitable doom.Edited by Ragnarock41 on May 11, 2019 5:25PM1 -
Joelthas✭✭OP this is a good advice for you: Go back to WoW that surely spawned you, there u should be like a Demi-God in Bgs with your healer, we know u wanna that in ESO too, but u wont get it
u need some kind of skill here, not like in WoW. Soz more and more ppl from WoW wanna to Eso be like WoW. Go away from our game if u dont like it! (sry for my english but I had to write this.) 0 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sounds like an l2p issue. I have no trouble healing myself when im not even built to it.
Sounds like a dps that doesn't want to actually have skill to play. I don't believe that your stam sorc is going to out-heal my templar build. And this isn't even up for debate, heals are sincerely nerfed into the ground.
My Templar healer does just fine in PvP. The reason healing was cut and damage was not is because if healing were 100% in battlegrounds deaths would be few and far between. Cyrodiil would be even worse. As is in capture the flag if my DPS stay around me it is going to take the other team working together well to kill any of us. If they target one player as a group they will get them down quick enough but if they are unorganized good chance I'm keeping my team alive. If the objective is death match then I'm not as effective simply because of how the action jumps around.
Cutting healing and cutting DPS would make zero sense. The result would be nothing changes in relation to the outcome of the fight.
There are some very good sorc healers out there that also contribute a decent amount of DPS. Their healing can most certainly determine the outcome of a fight. My Templar does very little DPS but I can provide buffs and other fun things to my team besides simply keeping them alive. My only problem in battlegrounds with my healer is my own fault. I tend to sprint to the next objective and then I get caught with low stamina and can't get out of all the evil stuff the enemy throws my way.
You know you are an effective healer when the other groups always make you a first kill priority. Doesn't take them long to figure out why the DPS is staying alive.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
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✭✭✭If anything in high MMR BGs healing is way too strong.
You go in with an organised group with a heavy armor warden or templar and you can keep your teammates alive very easily.
My warden healer regularly puts out 1mil+ healing in BGs by layering hots, earthgore etc.1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OP this is a good advice for you: Go back to WoW that surely spawned you, there u should be like a Demi-God in Bgs with your healer, we know u wanna that in ESO too, but u wont get it u need some kind of skill here, not like in WoW. Soz more and more ppl from WoW wanna to Eso be like WoW. Go away from our game if u dont like it! (sry for my english but I had to write this.)
This actually is good advice. Not just for him - but for anyone who wants to play as a healer in PvP - because healers are far more powerful and better designed on that game when it comes to PvP. They can actually hold their own against damage dealers with their healing spells. Something you can not do on this game - something I have never seen done on this game. it has nothing to do with "skill". It has to do with design and the fact damage simply overpowers healing on ESO PvP.
This game generally tends to favor offensive play styles at the expense of healing. Which probably does appeal to a lot of players. The OP just isn't one of them. I"m not either to be honest, and believe healing generally on this game needs a lot of improvements both in PvP and PvE frankly.
To the OP: I would suggest making a tank build if you want to try playing defensively on this game's PvP. You can have some success there,. But being a healer is going to require an organized group willing to guard you. Otherwise skilled DPS are going to make a mess of you. That's just the way it is.Edited by Jeremy on May 11, 2019 6:48PM0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If anything in high MMR BGs healing is way too strong.
You go in with an organised group with a heavy armor warden or templar and you can keep your teammates alive very easily.
My warden healer regularly puts out 1mil+ healing in BGs by layering hots, earthgore etc.
Keeping your teammates alive isn't the issue. Keeping yourself alive is the problem.
Of course healers can be effective if they are left alone and their heals are combined with the offense of another player. But anyone who is skilled at PvP is going to go straight for the healer first.Edited by Jeremy on May 11, 2019 6:12PM0 -
kypranb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Omg what a salty OP...
Learn too play! Impen, resistance, strong gear combos and reactive gameplay is needed for a PvP healer. Stop attacking people just because they disagree with you...
I play just fine, I am waiting for someone to tell me why they are NERFED when DPS is not. The BG's are literally designed for low-IQ brain dead melee trains.
Both damage and healing are reduced by 50% when entering any PVP area, including dueling. Check out the Battle Spirit "Buff".0 -
ShadowDisciple✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Hrm. You're inaccurate on many subjects and I think it's largely due to your lack of non-CP PvP experience.
Tanks do rather well. Healers can make a massive difference.
You cannot however simply slot impen and play these roles well.
Same with dps.
400k-1mil healing is common for a BG healer depending on the player's around them.
I personally have an "Unkillable" BG sorc tank thread and video
There's absolutely no need to buff healing
Ah yeah, immediately try and point out that I must be un-skilled on the idea that you have one build that performs well. Great counter argument.
In all honestly, you might be one of the few who had to spend tremendous amounts of time making a build simply to PERFORM whereas 75% of healers are gimped by default. And please, PM your video, I will be the judge of that.
my dude...i play a stamblade with pve gear (divines etc) and i do fine in bg...my only heal is vigor and occasional pot...i regurarly have over 15 kills and less than 7-8 deaths....
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✭✭✭✭✭kypranb14_ESO wrote: »Omg what a salty OP...
Learn too play! Impen, resistance, strong gear combos and reactive gameplay is needed for a PvP healer. Stop attacking people just because they disagree with you...
I play just fine, I am waiting for someone to tell me why they are NERFED when DPS is not. The BG's are literally designed for low-IQ brain dead melee trains.
Both damage and healing are reduced by 50% when entering any PVP area, including dueling. Check out the Battle Spirit "Buff".
He's probably having trouble detecting that DPS against players is halved because you can't really tell.
Let me give you an example with actual numbers:
Even with both minor and major mending up my breath of life does approximately 5K healing and between 7.5 ~ 8k healing on a critical. That's just pathetic, especially when you consider it costs nearly 4k magicka to use. You could barely even break even against just the regular attacks of a single good damage dealer with that.
Healing on this game's PvP can be useful for giving an advantage to a damage dealer who is attacking someone else. But as an actual counter to damage itself - it's just not very good as the OP indicates. It requires for it to be combined with a good offense as well for it to be effective.
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✭✭✭✭✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Hrm. You're inaccurate on many subjects and I think it's largely due to your lack of non-CP PvP experience.
Tanks do rather well. Healers can make a massive difference.
You cannot however simply slot impen and play these roles well.
Same with dps.
400k-1mil healing is common for a BG healer depending on the player's around them.
I personally have an "Unkillable" BG sorc tank thread and video
There's absolutely no need to buff healing
Ah yeah, immediately try and point out that I must be un-skilled on the idea that you have one build that performs well. Great counter argument.
In all honestly, you might be one of the few who had to spend tremendous amounts of time making a build simply to PERFORM whereas 75% of healers are gimped by default. And please, PM your video, I will be the judge of that.
my dude...i play a stamblade with pve gear (divines etc) and i do fine in bg...my only heal is vigor and occasional pot...i regurarly have over 15 kills and less than 7-8 deaths....
and im trash...so l2p
Right. You're a damage dealer who uses heals in combination with your offense. For that purpose it's adequate. But for someone who is actually trying to play as a healer and is trying to counter damage being done to them with actual heals things are not going to go well for them.
In other words: Damage > healing on this game. Now obviously damage + healing > just damage. But that doesn't change the fact that damage itself outperforms healing and that's not the way it is on most other MMORPGs I have played. So I can relate to the OP here. It caught me off guard how weak healing was on this game as well.Edited by Jeremy on May 11, 2019 6:55PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭OP this is a good advice for you: Go back to WoW that surely spawned you, there u should be like a Demi-God in Bgs with your healer, we know u wanna that in ESO too, but u wont get it u need some kind of skill here, not like in WoW. Soz more and more ppl from WoW wanna to Eso be like WoW. Go away from our game if u dont like it! (sry for my english but I had to write this.)
This actually is good advice. Not just for him - but for anyone who wants to play as a healer in PvP - because healers are far more powerful and better designed on that game when it comes to PvP. They can actually hold their own against damage dealers with their healing spells. Something you can not do on this game - something I have never seen done on this game. it has nothing to do with "skill". It has to do with design and the fact damage simply overpowers healing on ESO PvP.
This game generally tends to favor offensive play styles at the expense of healing. Which probably does appeal to a lot of players. The OP just isn't one of them. I"m not either to be honest, and believe healing generally on this game needs a lot of improvements both in PvP and PvE frankly.
To the OP: I would suggest making a tank build if you want to try playing defensively on this game's PvP. You can have some success there,. But healing is going to require an organized group willing to guard you. Otherwise skilled DPS are going to make a mess of you. That's just the way it is.
If I come across a DPS all on his own the fight is going to be a draw or last way longer than it is worth for either of us. If I have a DPS with me and we come across two players that are both DPS most the time (assuming equal skill levels from DPS) we are going to win. Battlegrounds if my team stays near me they live much longer. I can even throw in the occasional well timed javelin to help with the killing. You can't just heal to be effective then again a DPS can't put everything into damage either and be effective other than when ganking.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
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???? the fact that I can survive with my self heals even if I am built to inflict damage makes me skilless?
You're a beast on your Stam Sorc. Ignore them.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭OP this is a good advice for you: Go back to WoW that surely spawned you, there u should be like a Demi-God in Bgs with your healer, we know u wanna that in ESO too, but u wont get it u need some kind of skill here, not like in WoW. Soz more and more ppl from WoW wanna to Eso be like WoW. Go away from our game if u dont like it! (sry for my english but I had to write this.)
This actually is good advice. Not just for him - but for anyone who wants to play as a healer in PvP - because healers are far more powerful and better designed on that game when it comes to PvP. They can actually hold their own against damage dealers with their healing spells. Something you can not do on this game - something I have never seen done on this game. it has nothing to do with "skill". It has to do with design and the fact damage simply overpowers healing on ESO PvP.
This game generally tends to favor offensive play styles at the expense of healing. Which probably does appeal to a lot of players. The OP just isn't one of them. I"m not either to be honest, and believe healing generally on this game needs a lot of improvements both in PvP and PvE frankly.
To the OP: I would suggest making a tank build if you want to try playing defensively on this game's PvP. You can have some success there,. But healing is going to require an organized group willing to guard you. Otherwise skilled DPS are going to make a mess of you. That's just the way it is.
If I come across a DPS all on his own the fight is going to be a draw or last way longer than it is worth for either of us. If I have a DPS with me and we come across two players that are both DPS most the time (assuming equal skill levels from DPS) we are going to win. Battlegrounds if my team stays near me they live much longer. I can even throw in the occasional well timed javelin to help with the killing. You can't just heal to be effective then again a DPS can't put everything into damage either and be effective other than when ganking.
That's basically what I am saying. You cannot just heal on this game and be effective. So I think we agree... basically, at least on that. And that's unusual - because healing is usually an effective playstyle in PvP on most other games I have played. But It's not on this game. Healing is treated more like part of a damage dealer's tool kit and if there is a way to play defensively focusing on heals in this game I have never found it or seen it. It requires being a tank.
I'm curious - but what heals do you use that allow you to stalemate a single well played damage dealer? Or are you talking about basically just a duel? Because that's something different. I am talking about the inability to counter damage with heals.Edited by Jeremy on May 11, 2019 7:10PM0 -
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