Battlegrounds are Mindless and Unbalanced, They Aren't Worthy of a Daily Quest.
skiidzman
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So, after playing for a couple months me and my group of friends is well into the game. We all got full impen sets and gear, we know how to play our classes well.
But BG's just feel mindless. They aren't balanced - simply due to the fact that heals are worthless. What the developers have essentially done is removed any viable role a healer has from the battlegrounds. It really isn't fair to other players for healers to queue, as BG's are now a pure DPS game. You can spam your heal button all you want for your teammates and you will run out of resources in seconds because a heal that should do 10-15k+ with crits does 3k. Players will then three shot you to make it worse. I shouldn't be getting three shot while blocking with 30k resistances and a full impen set, but hey, I do, my friends do, and really skilled players do.
I really don't think BG's should count for a daily with the current state of balance. Tank's can survive BG's, barely, healer's are useless, and melees run rampant and mindlessly. I dunno, its my two cents, but as new players we just feel like its a stain on what is a fantastic game. We probably wont do them much anymore aside from basically being required to if we want to earn our fair share of daily experience.
I would recommend removing the debuffs to healing and quit isolating 25% of your player base who enjoys healing. It's a joke. If a healer is making a dps's life hard, its because they are DOING THEIR JOB - NOT because it is broken. DPS if anything, is indeed, broken - or atleast currently un-counterable. You then factor in the broken ideology of werewolfs and it all becomes a joke pretty quickly. Let's all pretend for a second that werewolfs are balanced. Yeah bro, let me just pull out my poison before he three shots me and my mates after fearing us for 10 seconds.
*rant off* fix it.
But BG's just feel mindless. They aren't balanced - simply due to the fact that heals are worthless. What the developers have essentially done is removed any viable role a healer has from the battlegrounds. It really isn't fair to other players for healers to queue, as BG's are now a pure DPS game. You can spam your heal button all you want for your teammates and you will run out of resources in seconds because a heal that should do 10-15k+ with crits does 3k. Players will then three shot you to make it worse. I shouldn't be getting three shot while blocking with 30k resistances and a full impen set, but hey, I do, my friends do, and really skilled players do.
I really don't think BG's should count for a daily with the current state of balance. Tank's can survive BG's, barely, healer's are useless, and melees run rampant and mindlessly. I dunno, its my two cents, but as new players we just feel like its a stain on what is a fantastic game. We probably wont do them much anymore aside from basically being required to if we want to earn our fair share of daily experience.
I would recommend removing the debuffs to healing and quit isolating 25% of your player base who enjoys healing. It's a joke. If a healer is making a dps's life hard, its because they are DOING THEIR JOB - NOT because it is broken. DPS if anything, is indeed, broken - or atleast currently un-counterable. You then factor in the broken ideology of werewolfs and it all becomes a joke pretty quickly. Let's all pretend for a second that werewolfs are balanced. Yeah bro, let me just pull out my poison before he three shots me and my mates after fearing us for 10 seconds.
*rant off* fix it.
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hrm. You're inaccurate on many subjects and I think it's largely due to your lack of non-CP PvP experience.
Tanks do rather well. Healers can make a massive difference.
You cannot however simply slot impen and play these roles well.
Same with dps.
400k-1mil healing is common for a BG healer depending on the player's around them.
I personally have an "Unkillable" BG sorc tank thread and video
There's absolutely no need to buff healing22 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sounds like an l2p issue. I have no trouble healing myself when im not even built to it.Edited by Aliyavana on May 11, 2019 4:07AM24 -
skiidzman✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Hrm. You're inaccurate on many subjects and I think it's largely due to your lack of non-CP PvP experience.
Tanks do rather well. Healers can make a massive difference.
You cannot however simply slot impen and play these roles well.
Same with dps.
400k-1mil healing is common for a BG healer depending on the player's around them.
I personally have an "Unkillable" BG sorc tank thread and video
There's absolutely no need to buff healing
Ah yeah, immediately try and point out that I must be un-skilled on the idea that you have one build that performs well. Great counter argument.
In all honestly, you might be one of the few who had to spend tremendous amounts of time making a build simply to PERFORM whereas 75% of healers are gimped by default. And please, PM your video, I will be the judge of that.0 -
skiidzman✭✭✭Sounds like an l2p issue. I have no trouble healing myself when im not even built to it.
Sounds like a dps that doesn't want to actually have skill to play. I don't believe that your stam sorc is going to out-heal my templar build. And this isn't even up for debate, heals are sincerely nerfed into the ground.Edited by skiidzman on May 11, 2019 4:10AM1 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
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???? the fact that I can survive with my self heals even if I am built to inflict damage makes me skilless?10 -
skiidzman✭✭✭
???? the fact that I can survive with my self heals even if I am built to inflict damage makes me skilless?
What class? Build? Setup? You could be a tank for all I know with full defense going. Because I know for a fact you aren't going to heal through 2-3 dps on you, you are blatantly lying at that point. Honestly I think you just play DPS and don't wanna have to deal with real healers.Edited by skiidzman on May 11, 2019 4:11AM0 -
skiidzman✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Hrm. You're inaccurate on many subjects and I think it's largely due to your lack of non-CP PvP experience.
Tanks do rather well. Healers can make a massive difference.
You cannot however simply slot impen and play these roles well.
Same with dps.
400k-1mil healing is common for a BG healer depending on the player's around them.
I personally have an "Unkillable" BG sorc tank thread and video
There's absolutely no need to buff healing
Still waiting on that video showing how OP you are.0 -
dem0n1k✭✭✭✭✭
✭Healers are very effective in BGs from my experience & they can often get top score (obviously not top kill count) in matches... so they are definitely not useless. A good group with a good healer running Earthgore can make the group very very hard to kill.NA Server [PC] -- Mostly Ebonheart Pact, Mostly.7 -
skiidzman✭✭✭Healers are very effective in BGs from my experience & they can often get top score (obviously not top kill count) in matches... so they are definitely not useless. A good group with a good healer running Earthgore can make the group very very hard to kill.
And yet - healers are nerfed.
Still no good argument from anyone yet on why they are nerfed. Bloodgore is a monster helm set that plenty of people complain about. Is it not easier to nerf Bloodgore instead of all healers?
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Kikke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Omg what a salty OP...
Learn too play! Impen, resistance, strong gear combos and reactive gameplay is needed for a PvP healer. Stop attacking people just because they disagree with you...Cleared Trials:
- vAA HM - vHRC HM - vSO HM - vMoL HM - vHoF HM - vAS HM - vCR HM -
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
-Someone said it, I guess.19 -
skiidzman✭✭✭Omg what a salty OP...
Learn too play! Impen, resistance, strong gear combos and reactive gameplay is needed for a PvP healer. Stop attacking people just because they disagree with you...
I play just fine, I am waiting for someone to tell me why they are NERFED when DPS is not. The BG's are literally designed for low-IQ brain dead melee trains.Edited by skiidzman on May 11, 2019 4:19AM2 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The thing about PVP in ESO is that each mode requires tweaking setups. Bg's play differently than dueling, CP cyro and even no-cp cyro even thought Bg's are also no-cp.
Imo it's nice because it offers PVP styles for whatever you like. If you've got your core group of friends queuing together, you're already ahead of the solo players queuing and getting randomly put in a group.
You say you've been playing for a few months and most of the posters above have been playing for years. They know what they're talking about.
ESO PVP can take a while, more than a few months, for someone to be completely proficient at it."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard5 -
dem0n1k✭✭✭✭✭
✭Is there a specific healing ability nerf that you are talking about? Or just the fact heals are halved in PVP?NA Server [PC] -- Mostly Ebonheart Pact, Mostly.0 -
skiidzman✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »The thing about PVP in ESO is that each mode requires tweaking setups. Bg's play differently than dueling, CP cyro and even no-cp cyro even thought Bg's are also no-cp.
Imo it's nice because it offers PVP styles for whatever you like. If you've got your core group of friends queuing together, you're already ahead of the solo players queuing and getting randomly put in a group.
You say you've been playing for a few months and most of the posters above have been playing for years. They know what they're talking about.
ESO PVP can take a while, more than a few months, for someone to be completely proficient at it.
Yes but making a daily out of something that inherently gimps a primary class role doesn't make logical sense. Of course there is a learning curve, but I am well above the game in that realm. I just think its unfair is all. These players want to assume I am bad, no problem, but none of them have countered the argument of why heals are nerfed and melee is not.0 -
skiidzman✭✭✭Is there a specific healing ability nerf that you are talking about? Or just the fact heals are halved in PVP?
Just that they are halved and dps is not. You can dodge all you want, but when a melee train of 3 people is on you and you run out of stamina, I mean, you die to mechanics built into the game. These mechanics say, you cant heal yourself for *** even though you are built for it. Eh?
How many DPS would be in here losing their mind if DPS was cut by 50%?
Ok great, you now know how we feel.Edited by skiidzman on May 11, 2019 4:25AM1 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »The thing about PVP in ESO is that each mode requires tweaking setups. Bg's play differently than dueling, CP cyro and even no-cp cyro even thought Bg's are also no-cp.
Imo it's nice because it offers PVP styles for whatever you like. If you've got your core group of friends queuing together, you're already ahead of the solo players queuing and getting randomly put in a group.
You say you've been playing for a few months and most of the posters above have been playing for years. They know what they're talking about.
ESO PVP can take a while, more than a few months, for someone to be completely proficient at it.
Yes but making a daily out of something that inherently gimps a primary class role doesn't make logical sense. Of course there is a learning curve, but I am well above the game in that realm. I just think its unfair is all. These players want to assume I am bad, no problem, but none of them have countered the argument of why heals are nerfed and melee is not.
Well to be honest, healing might be the most difficult to be the best at, and coupled with the fact that most players like to burn stuff down with dps, really good healers can be tough to come by.
Btw, battle spirit does cut damage in half as well. But especially in Bg's, folks tweak their build to make up some of the difference."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard3 -
dem0n1k✭✭✭✭✭
✭Battle spirit halves DPS as well as heals in PVP IIRC.
Sure, when you a magicka build & run out of stamina, then likely you will get CC'd & die. If magicka templars with 30k resistance could just stand there spamming heals whilst 3x DPS wailed on them & survive... that would be unbalanced.NA Server [PC] -- Mostly Ebonheart Pact, Mostly.9 -
StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Never wise to dictate your personal experiences as end all be all, no matter how perfect or how horrible they might have been. Your encounters don't dictate the experiences for everyone else. Just cause you are having issues in one area, doesn't mean that others will nor are having the same difficulties.
Cause you, are having issues with healing in BGs, doesn't mean that when I am on my Warden healer iI feel nerfed or having your issues, which my warden heals can manage to place decent DPS when needed while actively keeping my teammates alive and provied crutch burst heals when needed. Long as they don't stray to far or think they are Rambo and try to solo two teams at once, which happens more often for me then I would like to count - or the team just runs off and wipes horribly before I can get there and now I am alone to runaway from two teams foaming at the mouth. Thus, cause I have better (or worse) experiences in BGs doesn't mean the next poster might and might have a more prolific history with terrible groups and encounters, or they might have the most perfect RNG and seen little issues.3 -
Kikke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You have no clue what you are talking about. So just stop talking, go back too the drawing board and figure how you can overcome it as others have done before you.
And if you get rushed by 3 decent DDs while unaware or not moving, you should die. Even as a healer. But, LoS and hots combined with dmg mitigation and your almost there. Combine this with awareness and more knowledge about what enemies can do against you and your complete.Cleared Trials:
- vAA HM - vHRC HM - vSO HM - vMoL HM - vHoF HM - vAS HM - vCR HM -
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
-Someone said it, I guess.10 -
skiidzman✭✭✭Battle spirit halves DPS as well as heals in PVP IIRC.
Sure, when you a magicka build & run out of stamina, then likely you will get CC'd & die. If magicka templars with 30k resistance could just stand there spamming heals whilst 3x DPS wailed on them & survive... that would be unbalanced.
I'd never know... because healing is 50% nerfed.0 -
skiidzman✭✭✭You have no clue what you are talking about. So just stop talking, go back too the drawing board and figure how you can overcome it as others have done before you.
And if you get rushed by 3 decent DDs while unaware or not moving, you should die. Even as a healer. But, LoS and hots combined with dmg mitigation and your almost there. Combine this with awareness and more knowledge about what enemies can do against you and your complete.
Or give me an opinion that is worth something. Don't tell me to go back to the drawing board to overcome a 50% nerf when no other class focus has to do such a thing. Sure, let me re-build, again, and again, so I can be like that guy who posted initially who was bragging about having a sorc with 45k hp built for tanking, no dps, and running away.
Yeah, let me be that guy. That sounds fun.0 -
skiidzman✭✭✭Truth is none of you have provided a reason why healing is nerfed and DPS is not.
I am still waiting. Waiting. And waiting.0 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Truth is none of you have provided a reason why healing is nerfed and DPS is not.
I am still waiting. Waiting. And waiting.
Damagr is nerfed in all pvp, maybe my second post got lost in the shuffle. Battle spirit cuts healing and damage in half, and provides 5000 extra health.
I'm not trying to assume what you know, but damage dealing in any of the PVP modes is about burst while DD in pve is about rotation and consistent damage. So healing is very different in PVP as well. You have to anticipate when your opponent is setting up his burst so you can time your heals to compensate.
Truly, pvp in ESO comes down to who runs out of their off-resource first. Mag toon and run out of Stam or Stam and run out of mag, either way your pretty much toast."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard6 -
StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Truth is none of you have provided a reason why healing is nerfed and DPS is not.
I am still waiting. Waiting. And waiting.
It honestly feels that there is much more to this that you are purposely leaving out to ensure that your claim on that "victim" card remains unquestioned while phishing for the response you only want to hear so it fits your agenda in the end.
Healing Received is nerfed while in PvP (nonCP and CP) yes.
Healing Done isn't effected, and Based on Race+Class+Skills+Passives and Gear can easily negate that minor inconvenience.
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skiidzman✭✭✭Truth is none of you have provided a reason why healing is nerfed and DPS is not.
I am still waiting. Waiting. And waiting.
It honestly feels that there is much more to this that you are purposely leaving out to ensure that your claim on that "victim" card remains unquestioned while phishing for the response you only want to hear so it fits your agenda in the end.
Healing Received is nerfed while in PvP (nonCP and CP) yes.
Healing Done isn't effected, and Based on Race+Class+Skills+Passives and Gear can easily negate that minor inconvenience.
It cannot, lol don't post that crap without stats or proof dude.0 -
skiidzman✭✭✭Truth is none of you have provided a reason why healing is nerfed and DPS is not.
I am still waiting. Waiting. And waiting.
It honestly feels that there is much more to this that you are purposely leaving out to ensure that your claim on that "victim" card remains unquestioned while phishing for the response you only want to hear so it fits your agenda in the end.
Healing Received is nerfed while in PvP (nonCP and CP) yes.
Healing Done isn't effected, and Based on Race+Class+Skills+Passives and Gear can easily negate that minor inconvenience.
It cannot, lol don't post that crap without stats or proof dude.
Nothing is going to negate the 50% entirely.0 -
StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Truth is none of you have provided a reason why healing is nerfed and DPS is not.
I am still waiting. Waiting. And waiting.
It honestly feels that there is much more to this that you are purposely leaving out to ensure that your claim on that "victim" card remains unquestioned while phishing for the response you only want to hear so it fits your agenda in the end.
Healing Received is nerfed while in PvP (nonCP and CP) yes.
Healing Done isn't effected, and Based on Race+Class+Skills+Passives and Gear can easily negate that minor inconvenience.
It cannot, lol don't post that crap without stats or proof dude.
That's not how the burden of proof works - you made an claim, dictating that your BGs experiences are the end all be all and no one can say different without anything supporting you other then that everyone is effected by Battle Spirit, others retorted, you begin to troll them cause their responses don't fit your agenda.
So in the end, just probably best for others to report each of your responses and have thread closed to save the community from this headache.9 -
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I have earned several team no death runs in BG's as a healer
*edit* while wearing pve gear
*edit#2* While sloads was a thingEdited by AbysmalGhul on May 11, 2019 10:59AM6 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sorry, wasn't aware you had responded with a request
Here is the thread
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/452276/unkillable-sorcerer-daedric-shepherd/p1?new=1
Here is the direct link to video
https://youtu.be/RKcUIJh2WUk 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn0Gonb6jRgThis discussion has been closed.