TIME TO LRN2PLAY!!!

Cortimi · May 2019

OK nublets, here's the deal, Wings are changing and QQing ain't gonna solve it, SO........

Need some thoughts and opinions from my fellow StamDKs on how to adapt.

Current bar setup is:

1h/S -
Reflective Plate - Ransack - Venomous Claw - Invasion - Heroic Slash --- Flawless DB (just for weapon damage)
2H -
Vigor (or Green Blood) - Reverse Slice (yeah I know ) - Igneous Weapons - Hardened Armor - Brawler -- Take Flight (I believe I can fly!)

So the main "tools" these grant are:
Anti-snare
Fracture
Min/Maj Brutality
Main DoT
Secondary DoT
Heroism

Currently, I use Reflective Plate as my anti-snare and "gtfo me so I can get out of here" skill. I think the main adjustment is going to be I simply won't have as effective of a "bail" skill, since we're going to be eating the ranged CC instead of Return To Sender. What I am "hoping" is that the damage reduction is effective enough that it will provide me with enough time to break the CC and boogie. Sucks that disengaging will cost a heap of Mag AND Stam now, but whatever. Maybe a nice sNB will Incap Silence their asses while I make my escape.

Do any sDKs plan on changing Wings morphs to the little pewpew- edition? I'm thinking I don't want to give up a decent anti-snare.

The thought has crossed my mind that an extra "DoT"/pressure wouldn't hurt, but I'd need Forward Momentum and that's kind of clunky if you need it NOW and are on the wrong bar.

Another couple things I have been pondering is the change to Brawler. I liked it as a extra source of pressure (bleed) and taking the edge off the next incoming attack. But with the bleed being removed, I'm thinking about swapping Brawler for Noxious since that got brought up a bit. I currently don't run Noxious because hitbox reasons, but I'm willing to use it in place of Ransack and Brawler, freeing up a slot.

With that free slot, should I give up Igneous weapons (I use this currently instead of Rally/FM for the double Brutality buff) for Rally and slot Fossilize to keep Minor Brutality option?

Thinking about going to:

1h/S -
Reflective Plate - Noxious - Venomous - Invasion (or Reverb) - Heroic Slash --- Flawless DB
2H - Vigor/GDB - Reverse Slice - Rally - Armor - Fossilize -- Flight

Would still keep:
Anti-snare
Fracture
Min/Maj Brutality
Main DoT
Secondary DoT
Heroism

Whatchoo guys think? How are you planning on switching it up, or are you?

Bonus round:
Deadly Strike worth using in place of Shacklebreaker (with 7th Legion and Blood Spawn) after the patch?

ShadowDisciple · May 2019

You think too much. Go back to QQ and pray they all change it back so your build stays the same.

I would have QQd right now but i forgot my "its not my fault i cant play, burn ZOS" sign.

Ragnarock41 · May 2019

Yes the new wings is kinda trash. Strong mitigation but you still eat everything instead of reflecting so much damage, which helped with killing pressure and I would run wings as my main snare removal cause I knew I would spam it. Now that is pretty much dead because I don't benefit from spamming the new wings.

The ability now actually lasts 6 seconds but the snare removal only lasts 2, so what do I gain from spamming it? A huge nothing. If you plan on using it as a mitigation tool, then yeah you'll like it, for everything else it is now infinitely more inferior.

As for the other morph, it will not help you either, as it does not scale from stamina at all. I don't understand why would you even consider that as an option.

UlfricWinterfell · May 2019

Best way is to push ur healing to the maximum. Mending and vitality buffs, lingering health pots, ritual mundus or thief mundus for more crit heals. Maybe cauterize is an option with elsweyr cause scaling with stamina. Leeching plate gets buffed and will be a great set for heavy armor sdk with s&b.

I still have faith into my sdk

Haquor · May 2019

Invest 100cp into each breakfree and block cost reduction. Yay!

frostz417 · May 2019

Dk’s Who use wings purely for reflects crutch, and are carried by it.
The snare removal is good, and should be increased to 4 seconds honestly.
Glad the reflects are gone. Now players will have to grow some thumbs

Ragnarock41 · May 2019

UlfricWinterfell wrote: »

Best way is to push ur healing to the maximum. Mending and vitality buffs, lingering health pots, ritual mundus or thief mundus for more crit heals. Maybe cauterize is an option with elsweyr cause scaling with stamina. Leeching plate gets buffed and will be a great set for heavy armor sdk with s&b.

I still have faith into my sdk

cauterize is a good replacement for wings I believe. Especially with major mending and vitality potions.

Ragnarock41 · May 2019

frostz417 wrote: »

Dk’s Who use wings purely for reflects crutch, and are carried by it.
The snare removal is good, and should be increased to 4 seconds honestly.
Glad the reflects are gone. Now players will have to grow some thumbs

Grow some thumbs, like all those petsorcs and snipe spammers do from 40 meters away?

Cortimi · May 2019

UlfricWinterfell wrote: »

Best way is to push ur healing to the maximum. Mending and vitality buffs, lingering health pots, ritual mundus or thief mundus for more crit heals. Maybe cauterize is an option with elsweyr cause scaling with stamina. Leeching plate gets buffed and will be a great set for heavy armor sdk with s&b.

I still have faith into my sdk

Leeching over Shackle you think?

frostz417 · May 2019

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Dk’s Who use wings purely for reflects crutch, and are carried by it.
The snare removal is good, and should be increased to 4 seconds honestly.
Glad the reflects are gone. Now players will have to grow some thumbs

Grow some thumbs, like all those petsorcs and snipe spammers do from 40 meters away?

Every other melee class doesn’t crutch on reflects like dk

Cortimi · May 2019

frostz417 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Dk’s Who use wings purely for reflects crutch, and are carried by it.
The snare removal is good, and should be increased to 4 seconds honestly.
Glad the reflects are gone. Now players will have to grow some thumbs

Grow some thumbs, like all those petsorcs and snipe spammers do from 40 meters away?

Every other melee class doesn’t crutch on reflects like dk

Because they have their own class abilities to "crutch on". Derp.

frostz417 · May 2019

Cortimi wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Dk’s Who use wings purely for reflects crutch, and are carried by it.
The snare removal is good, and should be increased to 4 seconds honestly.
Glad the reflects are gone. Now players will have to grow some thumbs

Grow some thumbs, like all those petsorcs and snipe spammers do from 40 meters away?

Every other melee class doesn’t crutch on reflects like dk

Because they have their own class abilities to "crutch on". Derp.

Magplar has nothing to crutch on that completely shuts down all range playstyles, cleanse only removes negative effects but doesn’t completely mitigate all damage.
No stamclass can completely mitigate all range damage
Dk is literally the only class that can completely shut down all range classes
How about l2p instead of being some trash who spams wings against any range class. No other class has an ability that absolutely negates playstyles like wings does.
Derp. Sounds like you’re just hurt you can spam wings like a zergling against anyone with a staff

Cortimi · May 2019

frostz417 wrote: »

Cortimi wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Dk’s Who use wings purely for reflects crutch, and are carried by it.
The snare removal is good, and should be increased to 4 seconds honestly.
Glad the reflects are gone. Now players will have to grow some thumbs

Grow some thumbs, like all those petsorcs and snipe spammers do from 40 meters away?

Every other melee class doesn’t crutch on reflects like dk

Because they have their own class abilities to "crutch on". Derp.

Magplar has nothing to crutch on that completely shuts down all range playstyles, cleanse only removes negative effects but doesn’t completely mitigate all damage.
No stamclass can completely mitigate all range damage
Dk is literally the only class that can completely shut down all range classes
How about l2p instead of being some trash who spams wings against any range class. No other class has an ability that absolutely negates playstyles like wings does.
Derp. Sounds like you’re just hurt you can spam wings like a zergling against anyone with a staff

Go away turd. Not my fault you forgot Templar can shield as much as a sorc and you can't figure out how to work around a few uses of Wings.

I swear you dinguses also forget about Stam wardens being able to "shut down" ranged with ice shields. You are just mad you stun yourself non stop because you can only slot pets and Clench.

UlfricWinterfell · May 2019

Cortimi wrote: »

UlfricWinterfell wrote: »

Best way is to push ur healing to the maximum. Mending and vitality buffs, lingering health pots, ritual mundus or thief mundus for more crit heals. Maybe cauterize is an option with elsweyr cause scaling with stamina. Leeching plate gets buffed and will be a great set for heavy armor sdk with s&b.

I still have faith into my sdk

Leeching over Shackle you think?

Yep,

At least no one can troll my sdk anymore cause he loose now his last special class skill.
So sdk dont have a good burst heal and no spammable burst skill from class abilities.

But i still will kill tons of players.... Tons of overheal spammers, cloaking tards, shieldstackers and more that carried by their own abilities...

JumpmanLane · May 2019

frostz417 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Dk’s Who use wings purely for reflects crutch, and are carried by it.
The snare removal is good, and should be increased to 4 seconds honestly.
Glad the reflects are gone. Now players will have to grow some thumbs

Grow some thumbs, like all those petsorcs and snipe spammers do from 40 meters away?

Every other melee class doesn’t crutch on reflects like dk

Crutch on reflects, that’s nuts. 4 projectiles over 6 seconds, nerfed because bowtards and fools kiting at range couldn’t time their burst. Lol.

MOST MagDk’s ran vamp until VERY recently when ZOS added snare removal to wings. It’s not like Magicka Dragonknights won’t still mop fools even though they’re not forcing people to eat their own damage.

Pray for silence lol. And roll a stamblade lol.

Heimpai · May 2019

JumpmanLane wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Dk’s Who use wings purely for reflects crutch, and are carried by it.
The snare removal is good, and should be increased to 4 seconds honestly.
Glad the reflects are gone. Now players will have to grow some thumbs

Grow some thumbs, like all those petsorcs and snipe spammers do from 40 meters away?

Every other melee class doesn’t crutch on reflects like dk

Crutch on reflects, that’s nuts. 4 projectiles over 6 seconds, nerfed because bowtards and fools kiting at range couldn’t time their burst. Lol.

MOST MagDk’s ran vamp until VERY recently when ZOS added snare removal to wings. It’s not like Magicka Dragonknights won’t still mop fools even though they’re not forcing people to eat their own damage.

Pray for silence lol. And roll a stamblade lol.

That’s the story now? Dk‘s were claiming it was because magblade‘s refused to adapt and use concealed, so they could get insta kills 😂

JumpmanLane · May 2019

Heimpai wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Dk’s Who use wings purely for reflects crutch, and are carried by it.
The snare removal is good, and should be increased to 4 seconds honestly.
Glad the reflects are gone. Now players will have to grow some thumbs

Grow some thumbs, like all those petsorcs and snipe spammers do from 40 meters away?

Every other melee class doesn’t crutch on reflects like dk

Crutch on reflects, that’s nuts. 4 projectiles over 6 seconds, nerfed because bowtards and fools kiting at range couldn’t time their burst. Lol.

MOST MagDk’s ran vamp until VERY recently when ZOS added snare removal to wings. It’s not like Magicka Dragonknights won’t still mop fools even though they’re not forcing people to eat their own damage.

Pray for silence lol. And roll a stamblade lol.

That’s the story now? Dk‘s were claiming it was because magblade‘s refused to adapt and use concealed, so they could get insta kills 😂

I unno ‘bout NONE of that lol. All I know is I went 55 & 2 today just dorking around for an hour or two, and I don’t remember being grouped up with NOBODY. And I know I ghosted a BUNCH of turdblades along with the rest of the dummies that died.

On MY MagDk. Caws I’m Jump Lane and I came to get down! Square biness lol.

frostz417 · May 2019

Cortimi wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Cortimi wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Dk’s Who use wings purely for reflects crutch, and are carried by it.
The snare removal is good, and should be increased to 4 seconds honestly.
Glad the reflects are gone. Now players will have to grow some thumbs

Grow some thumbs, like all those petsorcs and snipe spammers do from 40 meters away?

Every other melee class doesn’t crutch on reflects like dk

Because they have their own class abilities to "crutch on". Derp.

Magplar has nothing to crutch on that completely shuts down all range playstyles, cleanse only removes negative effects but doesn’t completely mitigate all damage.
No stamclass can completely mitigate all range damage
Dk is literally the only class that can completely shut down all range classes
How about l2p instead of being some trash who spams wings against any range class. No other class has an ability that absolutely negates playstyles like wings does.
Derp. Sounds like you’re just hurt you can spam wings like a zergling against anyone with a staff

Go away turd. Not my fault you forgot Templar can shield as much as a sorc and you can't figure out how to work around a few uses of Wings.

I swear you dinguses also forget about Stam wardens being able to "shut down" ranged with ice shields. You are just mad you stun yourself non stop because you can only slot pets and Clench.

Ice shield doesn’t reflect every projectile like wings does. It absorbs only 3 projectiles as compared to reflecting 4 and completely shutting down rage playstyles.
Also I play a magden which is all projectile, magplar, stamwarden, magblade, Stamblade and stamsorc. So no I don’t crutch on pets like you Noobs love to assume. Wings completely shut down magblades and Magdens too bud.
Also continue to resort to insults because you can no longer crutch and shut down magblades and magdens etc. Now you need to grow thumbs kid. Dk is getting every buff under the sun so it’s comical that you’re still crying. Clearly you’re a mediocre player and a zergling.
Also. Magplars don’t use shields, nothing in comparison as sorcs.. literally no magplar uses shields. We use breath of life&honor the dead.
So you just proved how ignorant you are to other classes except DK.
Also, since you likely don’t know what abilities magdens even use. They’re basically forced to use shock clench since they have no useful CC’s and birds is a mediocre spammable so basically all of their abilities are projectile based except deep fissure, and it is so much fun being Xv1’d by a bunch of DK’s who spam wings purely for the reflects aspect. Both on magden and magblade.
And there isn’t a “few uses of wings” scrubs spam it just to reflect everything, so if you’re not playing a magden magblade or magsorc Goodluck. If anything magsorc has a better way around it since they have curse and pets. Leaving magden and magblade in the dirt when fighting wings.
Good luck next patch when you can’t crutch on reflects.

frostz417 · May 2019

JumpmanLane wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Dk’s Who use wings purely for reflects crutch, and are carried by it.
The snare removal is good, and should be increased to 4 seconds honestly.
Glad the reflects are gone. Now players will have to grow some thumbs

Grow some thumbs, like all those petsorcs and snipe spammers do from 40 meters away?

Every other melee class doesn’t crutch on reflects like dk

Crutch on reflects, that’s nuts. 4 projectiles over 6 seconds, nerfed because bowtards and fools kiting at range couldn’t time their burst. Lol.

MOST MagDk’s ran vamp until VERY recently when ZOS added snare removal to wings. It’s not like Magicka Dragonknights won’t still mop fools even though they’re not forcing people to eat their own damage.

Pray for silence lol. And roll a stamblade lol.

Read my previous post, and if that incap silence goes live I’ll be sure to never play any of my mag classes in PvP again....

Minno · May 2019

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Yes the new wings is kinda trash. Strong mitigation but you still eat everything instead of reflecting so much damage, which helped with killing pressure and I would run wings as my main snare removal cause I knew I would spam it. Now that is pretty much dead because I don't benefit from spamming the new wings.

The ability now actually lasts 6 seconds but the snare removal only lasts 2, so what do I gain from spamming it? A huge nothing. If you plan on using it as a mitigation tool, then yeah you'll like it, for everything else it is now infinitely more inferior.

As for the other morph, it will not help you either, as it does not scale from stamina at all. I don't understand why would you even consider that as an option.

Wings plus BS pulls a 15k tooltip into 3k. Add CP minor protection, and you are at 1.5k . New wings is superior because you'll get like 90+% total mitigation on all projectiles instead of 100% avoiding 3-4 capped

CompM4s · May 2019

Cant really compare shields to wings... im sure the wings new damage reduction of ranged attacks will make the dk’s plenty more tanky on a already tanky class. Looks like a good change 👍

Cortimi · May 2019

I don't know why all the magtards on on a sdk build thread in the first place.

If the Wings change was such a buff to sDK, then you all wouldn't be so giddy about it. Simple

JumpmanLane · May 2019

frostz417 wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Dk’s Who use wings purely for reflects crutch, and are carried by it.
The snare removal is good, and should be increased to 4 seconds honestly.
Glad the reflects are gone. Now players will have to grow some thumbs

Grow some thumbs, like all those petsorcs and snipe spammers do from 40 meters away?

Every other melee class doesn’t crutch on reflects like dk

Crutch on reflects, that’s nuts. 4 projectiles over 6 seconds, nerfed because bowtards and fools kiting at range couldn’t time their burst. Lol.

MOST MagDk’s ran vamp until VERY recently when ZOS added snare removal to wings. It’s not like Magicka Dragonknights won’t still mop fools even though they’re not forcing people to eat their own damage.

Pray for silence lol. And roll a stamblade lol.

Read my previous post, and if that incap silence goes live I’ll be sure to never play any of my mag classes in PvP again....

I’m gonna play my MagDk anyway. I’m gonna find a way to ghost fools out of spite.

TrinityBreaker · May 2019

frostz417 wrote: »

Cortimi wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Dk’s Who use wings purely for reflects crutch, and are carried by it.
The snare removal is good, and should be increased to 4 seconds honestly.
Glad the reflects are gone. Now players will have to grow some thumbs

Grow some thumbs, like all those petsorcs and snipe spammers do from 40 meters away?

Every other melee class doesn’t crutch on reflects like dk

Because they have their own class abilities to "crutch on". Derp.

Magplar has nothing to crutch on that completely shuts down all range playstyles, cleanse only removes negative effects but doesn’t completely mitigate all damage.
No stamclass can completely mitigate all range damage
Dk is literally the only class that can completely shut down all range classes
How about l2p instead of being some trash who spams wings against any range class. No other class has an ability that absolutely negates playstyles like wings does.
Derp. Sounds like you’re just hurt you can spam wings like a zergling against anyone with a staff

Cloak negates DoT builds, WDYM son?

Savos_Saren · May 2019

Thank god ZOS decided to clip Wings because it shuts down two classes that specifically use ranged builds (even though they have melee abilities)… only to give Incap Strike something that 100% shuts down every magic-based ability on classes.

#Balance

Ragnarock41 · May 2019

frostz417 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Dk’s Who use wings purely for reflects crutch, and are carried by it.
The snare removal is good, and should be increased to 4 seconds honestly.
Glad the reflects are gone. Now players will have to grow some thumbs

Grow some thumbs, like all those petsorcs and snipe spammers do from 40 meters away?

Every other melee class doesn’t crutch on reflects like dk

Right, maybe because they are not DKs and have other things to crutch on?

I love being told by petsorcs, magblades and snipe spammers that wings change is a massive uber buff though.

Like, I honestly %100 believe that

khajiitNPC · May 2019

@Savos_Saren that’s sort of misleading regarding Incap change, 1v1 it is pretty strong (won’t deny that esp against magicka builds), but it can be dodged, I think ZoS should implement a visual on NB that indicates to their opponent “this NB has 120+ ulti get ready to dodge”.

As far as group play goes it’s a non-issue, your team mates will need to learn to peel the target from you if you’ve been incap’d.

khajiitNPC · May 2019

Does S&B keep its reflect?

Davadin · May 2019

deadly strike is good and replace wings with RAT from psijic line.