Welcome to the wonderful world of ZoS refuse to stop trying to balance pvp and pve, LOL.

Beating a dead horse as they are too stubborn (or stupid) to realise they are never gonna pull it off.

Apparently it is too difficult to make proc sets unusable in pvp ~ >
must be in with the same code that would allow players to turn down/off spell effects
(which would actually make pvp playable for so many of their players).

Whatever... I pick flowers xD

They can't balance it because they don't look at the big picture and only look at changes on a micro scale.

Example? Removal of major protection from resto ult pretty much ensures most mag classes won't have it. Instead they keep major force when there is another general purpose ultimate that has that buff on it that everyone can use, and in almost every PvP and PvE instance you would NOT use resto ult over a damage ult for damage or warhorn, and you would also not want a damage buff when using it considering you would use resto ult as a last resort to HEAL yourself and/or others. Not to mention restoration staff does not have a single damaging skill.

It's the perfect example of how some changes are simply nonsensical, and "balancing" in the wrong direction. I honestly have no idea what ZOS was trying to accomplish with this nerf, because if you ask me the major protection should have been left on the ult and major force should have been the buff to lose .

Resto staves in PvE are used to heal people and that heal would be either from a tank or healer when NO ONE else can heal and things are either going wrong or there needs to be a lot of healing to overcome a stupid DPS check that would otherwise wipe the group. How exactly does major force on a HEALING ULT accomplish this? No one was running the ultimate for major force, but instead it was for major protection. Life giver was not used because most healers keep the buffs it gives on their party without the ult! Maybe the change was made to push more wardens being required? Who knows?

Yet major force stays and major protection goes. It's balancing like this that shows they do not look at the big picture enough when balancing. What's stupid is that if the change was to nerf heavy armor builds in PvP with resto staves, it still fails because the problem isn't major protection when someone is blocking and unkillable w/ resto ult. In fact, in that situation life giver would have always been the better ult to use anyway + using the saved bar slots for class skills instead or resto stave skills.

Yet ZOS balances according to "data" and sees many people use light's champion as it is on live and decides to change it to make the other morph "compete." It still won't happen because resto ult is primarily used for healing, and again, no one needs redundant buffs from an ult unless they don't have the skills slotted. The only problem with that is that in PvE and PvP, you have to have as many buffs up as possible as often as possible, esp. if you are either a healer (PvE) or light armor wearer in PvP!

All that will be accomplished is that the skill will be taken off people's bars, and in my case I'm just trashing resto staff in PvP and mag in general. If one of those buffs had to go, they should have taken major force off.

The sad part is that you can substitute "light's champion" for another skill every single patch. And sure enough, the skills gets "nerfed" or "rebalanced" or whatever you want to call it, and no one uses the other morph, and the skill get trashed. Unless of course, someone finds a bug with it and its not patched for 6 months +. Rinse, repeat.

ZOS could rectify this by actually listening to player input instead of ignoring it. Instead, only if players make a lot of noise do they care. Sadly that won't be the case for light's champion, but I hope they pay close attention to their data when those changes go live and they see less healers, less tanks, and less completions of HM content because of the DPS checks and other cheese ball mechanics in the game that require godly amounts of healing and damage reduction to beat when the DPS simply isn't enough.

I would argue the game is actually very balance from a PVE perspective. Much more than it has been in the past. There are definitely class/specs that underperform as damage dealers, but the days of 8 NBs or 8 Sorcs as damage dealers are behind us.

As to tanks specifically, well all class can tank, but certainly DK are the best. If all classes are equally good at all things, whats the point of classes?

We had 4 classes at launch. It was pretty obvious that DKs were meant to tank, Templars were meant to heal, and NBs and Sorcs were your damage dealers. That fit perfectly into the classic role trinity we have seen in 4 man groups in RPGs since early console RPGs like final fantasy. The fact that DKs are the best tanks or templars are the best healers, does not on its face mean that balance is an issue.

They wont separate pve and pvp. So will never happen

Gilvoth wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

53m 25s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYywv9H6Jxw&t=3207s

that is from 3 years ago, and some of those people dont even still work at zenimax.
the guy talking (Eric Wrobel) not even an employee anymore.
i doubt they still hold those methods he was talking about because hes not even the boss of balance anymore, hes removed.

and in addition to that:
many groups on this forum all think differently and want different fighting styles.
none of them agree.
so every day they make new threads all asking for nerfs to thier enemies builds and weapons and playstyles that they dont like.
its a horror fest.
the people with the most in their forum complaint group wins the nerf against their enemies, and they get the nerf they want for their group.
its horrible for everyone.
the only way to stop it is for the developers to step in.

This was just one of the easier to show examples. I dont think he is speaking for himself there or that those are his "methods". He is just voicing general idea for the game that people above him made and he is just executing it. They mentioned similar things about not separating PvE and PvP multiple times and different devs not only Wrobel were saying that especially around game initial existance. Fact they were saying it few years ago doesnt mean something have changed in their minds. They said what's their goal and I dont think now they'll come and announce they havn't changed their minds every month lol.

As for people whining on forum You act like there would be robot collecting the data from forum and without thinking about it implementing that to the game. Devs are stepping out every time they make changes to the game for better or worse and I dont think 1 random whiner can change something. Where there is hundereds or thousands of people that complain about same thing in short period of time that is a clue for developer that certain thing requires to be looked at.