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Incap silence or cast time on shields. Which is more ridicolous ?
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I am wondering what people think. Which one of those two changes that ZoS proposed during PTS sessions , causing instant backlash in community was more absurd ?
Incap silence or cast time on shields. Which is more ridicolous ? 232 votes
Cast time on shields
55%
129 votes
Silence on incap
44%
103 votes
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ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What was absurd were the reactions to them.
I distinctly remember VMA runners throwing hissy fits claiming it would be impossible to do runs on MagSorcs. Then people actually ran VMA on the PTS with the cast time shields and did it just fine.
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BOTH those choices are perfectly fine and was nothing wrong with them.
same thing with snipe, same thing with oblivion damage, same thing with sloads set, and shield breaker set, and the list goes on and on and on and on about the nerfs and things eso devs created and wanted and put into the game.
see, heres what is happen, sorcs dont want balance, and make MASS threads about nerfs and MASS complaints and it gets changed,
then IMMEDIATELY as soon as it gets changed or they dont go along with the nerf, they again make mass threads asking for nerfs on nightblades and bow and snipe and invisibility casting and claim we nightblades are overpowered.
but dont you DARE nerf their skills, oh no, that is unacceptable.
Edited by Gilvoth on May 8, 2019 3:39AM14 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The only thing I'm not too sure about regarding the incap change is how it will affect stamsorc and dark deal. But overall, it seems appropriate to me. I could've gone either way with the cast time shields, frankly the way I use shields didn't change much at all. I'm with the others, both reactions have been overreactions. Especially since pts dropped today, not really a lot of time for testing it."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So as a Magplar, Warden, or even a mag DK, what are they supposed to do after being incapped??
Seriously I'm curious.
Can't shield or heal or even Purge right?
So it's especially bad in group play13 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
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Trying to remember but doesn't break free remove silence? (I know it's buggy in pvp, just clarifying)"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard0 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »@Siohwenoeht I do not know, my initial thought was "no"
Just looked it up to make sure, and if ESO academy is up to date, it says break free will remove silence. Trying to find another source."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard1 -
Marcus684✭✭✭✭✭
✭I can never settle on which class cries foul on every change to their class more, NBs or sorcs.4 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/111840/status-effects-and-you
Older post, but says break free works on silenced as well. If that's true, it's still a hurdle for mag toons, but not unmanageable."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard1 -
Ardan147✭✭✭✭BOTH those choices are perfectly fine and was nothing wrong with them.
same thing with snipe, same thing with oblivion damage, same thing with sloads set, and shield breaker set, and the list goes on and on and on and on about the nerfs and things eso devs created and wanted and put into the game.
see, heres what is happen, sorcs dont want balance, and make MASS threads about nerfs and MASS complaints and it gets changed,
then IMMEDIATELY as soon as it gets changed or they dont go along with the nerf, they again make mass threads asking for nerfs on nightblades and bow and snipe and invisibility casting and claim we nightblades are overpowered.
but dont you DARE nerf their skills, oh no, that is unacceptable.
There's a reason why the vast majority of gankers looking to grief other players during the Jubilee event were/are nightblades. Because nightblades have been given all the tools to take out other players unaware and to give them little to no chance to fight back or even react at all sometimes, and when you do survive the initial assault they just slink back in the shadows. Even when they don't manage to kill you they are irritating and infuriating in the extreme because they are very difficult to kill (because they just slither away into the shadows when you try to fight back, because of course they're not interested in a fair fight), and you can't do anything else without constantly watching over your shoulder (so to speak; there were times I had to make sure that my shields were always up, along with Inner Light, which of course meant no mounting.)
EDIT: And before anyone says "Radiant Magelight" I use that character (well, all of them for that matter) for PvE more than PvP, and I'm not paying to respec my chars' morphs each time. Maybe giving us the ability to have separate morphs for PvE and PvP would be a start there. Separate CP loadouts too would be even better.Edited by Ardan147 on May 8, 2019 4:33AMThis creature called a songbird. What a devious creation! This winged nuisance erodes sanity with its incessant chirping. What a brilliant form of torture!10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I can never settle on which class cries foul on every change to their class more, NBs or sorcs.
by the forums?
that comment i find hard to believe, because we just saw 3 patches in a row with nightblade nerfs and there was very little threads and complaints about those nerfs, probably like 4 in total.
yet here today we see only 1 change and slight 3 second nerf to sorcerers and theres atleast 50 threads and MASS complaints made about that 1 small thing.
some of those threads stretching with 15+ pages in them that are still growing.6 -
Marcus684✭✭✭✭✭
✭I can never settle on which class cries foul on every change to their class more, NBs or sorcs.
by the forums?
that comment i find hard to believe, because we just saw 3 patches in a row with nightblade nerfs and there was very little threads and complaints about those nerfs, probably like 4 in total.
yet here today we see only 1 change and slight 3 second nerf to sorcerers and theres atleast 50 threads and MASS complaints made about that 1 small thing.
some of those threads stretching with 15+ pages in them that are still growing.
😂😂😂😂
Stop it. You’re killing me!15 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I can never settle on which class cries foul on every change to their class more, NBs or sorcs.
by the forums?
that comment i find hard to believe, because we just saw 3 patches in a row with nightblade nerfs and there was very little threads and complaints about those nerfs, probably like 4 in total.
yet here today we see only 1 change and slight 3 second nerf to sorcerers and theres atleast 50 threads and MASS complaints made about that 1 small thing.
some of those threads stretching with 15+ pages in them that are still growing.
😂😂😂😂
Stop it. You’re killing me!
you have other view on this subject?0 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Silence on incapSilence is one of the dumbest mechanics in the game, and it should apply to stam too. If that change really happens, there really is no reason to play mag chars at all. I don't really care though; I'm already quitting pvp next patch. A change like that would only cement it.2 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Remember Sorcs have converion, while Magplar has 0 Stam based heal.
It hurts Magplar by far the most. - it completely nullifies arguably the weakest class3 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Siohwenoeht are you sure they are not referencing the fact that CC breaks clears silence and mistaking it for the possibility that you can CC break silence?
They removed the stun, so unless someone else CCs you, I don't see how you break the silence1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Silence on incapWhat was absurd were the reactions to them.
I distinctly remember VMA runners throwing hissy fits claiming it would be impossible to do runs on MagSorcs. Then people actually ran VMA on the PTS with the cast time shields and did it just fine.
Sorc shield thing was about ruining fundamental spirit of class. They forgot human factors with that design change.
Incap change in theory is reasonable but in actual gameplay no.
First it takes away from class spirit of Sorc. It does what Sorc can do but far better and at cheaper cost. Sorc already shares minor intellcult with Warden...how does it make sense to take it's class indentity away?Edited by Tasear on May 8, 2019 5:35AM0 -
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✭✭@Waffennacht Here's the info from ESO Academy:
"SILENCE
A silence is a bit of mix of hard and soft CC. It completely removes functionality to cast abilities but the target can still move.
To force remove a silence the target must Break Free, costing Stamina.
There is not a lot of silencing abilities, the most common example is the Ultimate Negate Magic (Sorcerer)."
Ugh... It's times like these that I contemplate bringing my PC account out of retirement for the pts. I know that you could break free from negate at one point, but now you need to roll dodge out of the aoe. Since incap is single target, maybe the break free mechanic will work with it...Edited by Siohwenoeht on May 8, 2019 5:36AM"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard0 -
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✭✭Silence on incapBoth but i suppose silence is a bit more crazy especially on a class with the highest single target damage. But both are just insane and show how out of touch zos is with thee game. Just insane.
I really hope the class reps did not recommend this and i hope they fought against it.0 -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Silence on incapBOTH those choices are perfectly fine and was nothing wrong with them.
same thing with snipe, same thing with oblivion damage, same thing with sloads set, and shield breaker set, and the list goes on and on and on and on about the nerfs and things eso devs created and wanted and put into the game.
see, heres what is happen, sorcs dont want balance, and make MASS threads about nerfs and MASS complaints and it gets changed,
then IMMEDIATELY as soon as it gets changed or they dont go along with the nerf, they again make mass threads asking for nerfs on nightblades and bow and snipe and invisibility casting and claim we nightblades are overpowered.
but dont you DARE nerf their skills, oh no, that is unacceptable.
You think snipe is okay? The ability literally syncs your healthy. It is puree garbage unless lag allows 5 of them to hit you before you even see thee first one. Come on now.2 -
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✭✭Silence on incapWaffennacht wrote: »Remember Sorcs have converion, while Magplar has 0 Stam based heal.
It hurts Magplar by far the most. - it completely nullifies arguably the weakest class
The weakest class? Oh my.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »@Waffennacht Here's the info from ESO Academy:
"SILENCE
A silence is a bit of mix of hard and soft CC. It completely removes functionality to cast abilities but the target can still move.
To force remove a silence the target must Break Free, costing Stamina.
There is not a lot of silencing abilities, the most common example is the Ultimate Negate Magic (Sorcerer)."
Ugh... It's times like these that I contemplate bringing my PC account out of retirement for the pts. I know that you could break free from negate at one point, but now you need to roll dodge out of the aoe. Since incap is single target, maybe the break free mechanic will work with it...
But I was thinking if you could CC break the silence @Siohwenoeht what makes it anything but a really weak hard CC? If you can CC break the silence, then it's pretty weak imo (it's like eclipse and would provide CC immunity at the same current cost of a CC break) if you can't CC break it then it's OP; seems like ZoS painted themselves in a corner2 -
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✭✭✭I'm just worried as a magblade if I get silenced by a stamblade, I can't do ***. Already the weaker variant of the 2, they can now totally shut you down. Where is the stamsilence variant.
Oh well, it's still on PTS٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »@Waffennacht Here's the info from ESO Academy:
"SILENCE
A silence is a bit of mix of hard and soft CC. It completely removes functionality to cast abilities but the target can still move.
To force remove a silence the target must Break Free, costing Stamina.
There is not a lot of silencing abilities, the most common example is the Ultimate Negate Magic (Sorcerer)."
Ugh... It's times like these that I contemplate bringing my PC account out of retirement for the pts. I know that you could break free from negate at one point, but now you need to roll dodge out of the aoe. Since incap is single target, maybe the break free mechanic will work with it...
But I was thinking if you could CC break the silence @Siohwenoeht what makes it anything but a really weak hard CC? If you can CC break the silence, then it's pretty weak imo (it's like eclipse and would provide CC immunity at the same current cost of a CC break) if you can't CC break it then it's OP; seems like ZoS painted themselves in a corner
Exactly. If you can break it, it's really still a nerf to incap. I'm trying to wade through the massive thread from earlier in the pts forum, others have been asking the devs the same question."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard0 -
irstarkey57✭✭✭✭Silence on incapI’m sorry but if you try to make an argument for this silencing Incap being acceptable, you need to SEVERELY re-examine your knowledge about this game’s balancing, gameplay, mechanics, etc. For one to think that giving an already extremely bursty class a low cost ult that COMPLETELY shuts down ALL magicka classes’ ability to do ANY counterplay is what we call BROKEN AF. And before you say dodge roll (again re examine your knowledge) keep in mind that mag toons have low stam pools. Three break frees maximum before out of stam assuming they didn’t block or god forbid sprint up to a target. So dodge rolling, just, no...Secondly, let’s imagine that the NB has a buddy or seven others who do nothing but snipe spam and poison inject, (you know who you are in EP), this means that one will Incap you and then after three seconds another one can Incap you...and so on. So no, please no one embarrass yourself and argue in favor of this clearly broken joke.5 -
Heimpai✭✭✭✭✭I was looking forward to my magblade being in a better spot but now with this change..I’m done, stam is the only way to go
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milesrodneymcneely2_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Silence on incap
This is exactly my fear.Knootewoot wrote: »I'm just worried as a magblade if I get silenced by a stamblade, I can't do ***. Already the weaker variant of the 2, they can now totally shut you down. Where is the stamsilence variant.
Oh well, it's still on PTS1 -
Jameliel✭✭✭✭✭
✭BOTH those choices are perfectly fine and was nothing wrong with them.
same thing with snipe, same thing with oblivion damage, same thing with sloads set, and shield breaker set, and the list goes on and on and on and on about the nerfs and things eso devs created and wanted and put into the game.
see, heres what is happen, sorcs dont want balance, and make MASS threads about nerfs and MASS complaints and it gets changed,
then IMMEDIATELY as soon as it gets changed or they dont go along with the nerf, they again make mass threads asking for nerfs on nightblades and bow and snipe and invisibility casting and claim we nightblades are overpowered.
but dont you DARE nerf their skills, oh no, that is unacceptable.
You're wrong. All the nerfs are ridiculous. Keep rooting for zos though while you pay them to make random idiotic changes. The only changes they make that have a clear goal are ones that push more people into the crown shop.
Edited by Jameliel on May 8, 2019 6:48AM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Silence on incapHeck, they were both ridiculous.
If I had to choose, I'd pick the Silence on Incap being the worst one. Shield cast times suck but there were ways to get around them, but Incap takes away everything from a Mag build by a class that has impressive burst and stealth options. Plus it also affects Stam builds, so...
No!
-jumps ship-Edited by Tryxus on May 8, 2019 6:57AM"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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