Also necro feels unfinished and has not received a single change in the right direction

zero attention to stam sorcs, very little to templars and wardens. Dks got some buffs and Necros didn't get as much attention as they needed. It felt like almost 50 percent of the resources went to nightblades.

when all the people in a class discord page are only, and have only been talking about changes made to A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CLASS you know something is up...

Everything in this "combat direction audit" makes little to zero sense aside from a few weapon ability changes.

* Nightblades gutted horribly - some changes needed maybe, but the right ones were definitely NOT made.

* StamDKs got slapped in the face with a braindead stance dance mechanic that forces them to spam non-Whip Ardent abilities (Breath) every 4 seconds to sustain a 375 Weapon damage passive, while totally ignoring the slotted ability.

* StamDK got some minor buffs, specifically to an ability that is now basically a spammable that's very likely now over budget the same way Surpsie Attack was claimed to be. (Breath: 200% damage boost, deals Poison damage, applies a DoT, and Major Fracture.. is also an AoE that is now very likely on-par or close to Surprise Attack's damage; citation needed)

* Necromancer feels lacking and unfinished in regards to both Magicka AND Stamina.

* Uppercut changes done totally the wrong way, and are still bad and not economical to use as a spammable.

* Other classes needing QoL changes basically ignored.

* Incap Silence, allmywats.

I mean come on.. I'm used to some bizarre changes having played another big MMORPG since its release for years, but these changes.. I feel like we're spinning a wheel or two and throwing darts at this point.

^^ how have night blade's been gutted???

Nightblade looked nerfed during the first week but quickly were buffed harder than nerfed

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

Yeah, it feels weird that this is the patch Necromancer is releasing, but we are literally seeing more NB buffs and changes than Necro. Not to mention other class specs that are being ENTIRELY ignored for this so called audit like stamsorc and stamplar

Im sorry to inform but as I have said during every PTS, they will look into other classes in 2021. Thats on their plan. I have checked their Jira.

Following year and a half we have some amazing quest fixes to come, new books to find and a crazy looking High Deer mount!

Iskiab wrote: »

One issue with class balance is context. I only play no-CP and have been saying stamblade is weak for a while.

Everyone loves complaining about Stamblades but in reality I see very few do well.

Has it ever occurred to you that your experience might be vastly different from the majority of PvPers since most people play CP campaigns?

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

One issue with class balance is context. I only play no-CP and have been saying stamblade is weak for a while.

Everyone loves complaining about Stamblades but in reality I see very few do well.

Has it ever occurred to you that your experience might be vastly different from the majority of PvPers since most people play CP campaigns?

so we have to balance only around people playing cp pvp?in bg stamblade are far from be good unless youre stuck at very low mmr.

there are 2 version of pvp,cp and no cp until ZoS decide which one is the way to go they have to take in consideration both pvp.

People complain about NB dmg (or i should say stamblade)but stamblade also have only dmg go for them so if you nerf their dmg without any other change they are simply useless(alredy are on bg).
Stamina NB needed a nerf on dmg/single target department and a buff in theri utility/defense and seem like zos did more or less this.

The silence change that no one asked for got alredy a response and is going to be changed too or reverted.

Tasear wrote: »

I see lots of great things for one particular class and wonder keep wondering what's going on for others? Even nercomancers feel neglected?

Is this just me here?

I thought this patch was supposed to be an audit of ALL the classes?

Not just you. I am just left shaking my head at the changes to NB skills versus other classes. In other news the NB audit appears to be fully functioning despite the developers having no clue about game balance.

nsmurfer wrote: »

Here is the thing. When Murkmire dropped nerfing MagSorc, the entire sorcerer base rallied changing the nerfs to a buff resulting in their current OP status.
The same thing is happening now, the stamina nightblades have invaded the forums in droves, determined to overturn the nerfs.

^Basically this. A good number of players play those classes and they cannot tolerate a nerf. Unfortunately this sort of phenomenon happens inside every group, there are always those who will willingly distort and push agenda's. People who lie often and live in a system of lie's do not respect honesty or objectivity, they see the truth as either a lie or weakness.

I don't know if people feel the same, but it feels like a lot of time is wasted by devs throwing random ideas out one week, then completely backflipping the next. I've got that impression the last couple of PTS. You would think they ought to have a rough idea of what the end result ought to look like, ie. the flavour of a class and the outcome of certain changes.

PTS ought to be an expression of their well-research views being finessed, not let's throw this out there, oh that's broken or oh nobody likes that, well, what about this very different thing? This isn't a good process to carry over 4 weeks.

I'd like to know what the devs think each class should be? Should they be able to do everything, or should they have particular strengths? A bit of both?

BahometZ wrote: »

I don't know if people feel the same, but it feels like a lot of time is wasted by devs throwing random ideas out one week, then completely backflipping the next. I've got that impression the last couple of PTS. You would think they ought to have a rough idea of what the end result ought to look like, ie. the flavour of a class and the outcome of certain changes.

PTS ought to be an expression of their well-research views being finessed, not let's throw this out there, oh that's broken or oh nobody likes that, well, what about this very different thing? This isn't a good process to carry over 4 weeks.

I'd like to know what the devs think each class should be? Should they be able to do everything, or should they have particular strengths? A bit of both?

Well it felt like Wrathstone had that quality. I realize a lot of people didn't like the class changes, especially concerning Bosmer's but I think in the end the devs stuck to their guns and did a good job. That felt like they had a vision, it might not have aligned with what everyone wanted, but thats always going to be impossible. This patch by comparison was a train wreck that went from just ok to a trash fire.