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This new NB passive must be a joke...
rafaelcsmaia
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WOW, you guys still have the audacity of saying you listen to feedback? You gave YET ANOTHER SUSTAIN TOOL FOR NBS, They already have arguably the best sustain and now they got even better, Sorc reps have been complaining their sustain is ABSOLUTELY CRAP for ages and NOTHING CHANGES.
Seriously, this is ludicrous to say the least
Seriously, this is ludicrous to say the least
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Sanguinor2✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭pet mag sorcs are overpowered in pvp
And the solution is for stamblade to completely counter every single mag class in the game? Was magblade really overperforming that hard? Or a non healbot magplar? Magden?Politeness is respecting others.
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Eweroun✭✭✭✭rafaelcsmaia wrote: »WOW, you guys still have the audacity of saying you listen to feedback? You gave YET ANOTHER SUSTAIN TOOL FOR NBS, They already have arguably the best sustain and now they got even better, Sorc reps have been complaining their sustain is ABSOLUTELY CRAP for ages and NOTHING CHANGES.
Seriously, this is ludicrous to say the least
they should try start complaining about other things... maybe they get sustain in return from ZOS
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I agree that the Silence for 3 seconds on Incap is beyond OP. But the sustain passive is fine. Considering that you won't be double barring Incap, you won't be getting all that much sustain out of it. Not to mention the fact that we got Minor Endurance taken away (which is a massive loss of recovery).@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭rafaelcsmaia wrote: »
Umm. Incap is on the back bar in PvE. Flawless Dawnbreaker front bar. So you're gonna get 3 light attacks worth of stamina every 9 seconds (ish). Not that big a deal considering we lost Minor Endurance.@ Izaki #PCEU
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reprosal✭✭✭✭✭rafaelcsmaia wrote: »
You are going to give up the fighters guild passive and slot this over dawnbreaker? That 5% WD is huge.0 -
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✭✭rafaelcsmaia wrote: »
You are going to give up the fighters guild passive and slot this over dawnbreaker? That 5% WD is huge.
8% with the Fighter's Guild passive.@ Izaki #PCEU
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reprosal✭✭✭✭✭Right I forgot the straight up 3% passive.
Nobody in their right mind would give that up.0 -
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✭✭rafaelcsmaia wrote: »
Umm. Incap is on the back bar in PvE. Flawless Dawnbreaker front bar. So you're gonna get 3 light attacks worth of stamina every 9 seconds (ish). Not that big a deal considering we lost Minor Endurance.
minor endurance is a joke compared to 100 stam/LA (best case: 200 stamregen) bc those 10% is calculated from the base-value. Even IF you got 100 regen from that, you would have invested a lot into stamregen....
You get: 15% from CP, 10% vamp, 28% from 7 medium, 15% for NB-passive -->68%
So IF you want to have like 100 regen from minor endurance, you'd need 1680 stamregen unbuffed in PvE....i highly doubt anyone runs around with that much in trials...Noobplar0 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The sustain change is pretty fairly balanced.
It's about +33 stam per second in a normal Incap backbar setup. Of course it'll be more for War Machine users who have Incap frontbar (or double-slotted), but War Machine is probably a dead set with Tooth of Lokke incoming anyway.
+33 stam per second is the equivalent of 66 base regen, which is somewhere around the value of Minor Endurance (10% of 660 base regen equivalent) with blue food.1 -
Murador178✭✭✭✭rafaelcsmaia wrote: »
Who care about the sustain part - the real problem is the silence that will delete magicka chars. especially when getting xv1ed or even 1v1. Mag sorcs for sure got no sustain problem at all and are one if not the strongest class on live servers atm. They rly want to transfor stam nb in a brawler - buffing defenses removing minor maim from fear and the heal debuff from incap adding even more SnB slash spammers with reverb into cryrodil...0 -
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✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »The sustain change is pretty fairly balanced.
It's about +33 stam per second in a normal Incap backbar setup. Of course it'll be more for War Machine users who have Incap frontbar (or double-slotted), but War Machine is probably a dead set with Tooth of Lokke incoming anyway.
+33 stam per second is the equivalent of 66 base regen, which is somewhere around the value of Minor Endurance (10% of 660 base regen equivalent) with blue food.
base-regen is something around 500...520. I have 585 on my magicka-build with 1 medium and vamp.Noobplar0 -
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✭✭✭Not how I wanted it but it does help with NB Tank sustain since they had no way to convert Magic into Stamina and vice versa so now I just get it back for slotting Incap. I can live with that.Argonian forever2 -
Wolfahm✭✭✭" I main a sorc and am to bad to notice that my class is god tier "
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Jeezye✭✭✭✭✭My gawd its been a while since I lolled so hard when reading this change. Not only is the silence beyond me, but who the hell though
"well since we get rid of major defile, lets just slap another mini leeching strikes for BOTH MAG AND STAM ON THIS SKILL SINCe WNE NEEED AMSDFAL TNKASOLHD ASNN!"U)!"§!"§"
f**k meEdited by Jeezye on May 7, 2019 9:34PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm thinking what to do with my dunmer magblade main now (PVE dps currently) - replace harvest with incap for improved sustain, or simply ditch it and go to PVP for heavy stamblade?0 -
Roboplus✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Not how I wanted it but it does help with NB Tank sustain since they had no way to convert Magic into Stamina and vice versa so now I just get it back for slotting Incap. I can live with that.
It does point pretty conclusively to them wanting NB tanks to weave (as if them having the most non-block mitigation didn't already make that apparent).
And as an added side-effect, it gives NB healers an x-factor in the form of nearly infinite sustain.
"100 Mag a second isn't that big of a deal."
With a constant target, it's more magicka per second than traiting full divines. And in PvP when you don't have a constant target, it's also giving stam for dodge roll/break free.0 -
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✭✭" I main a sorc and am to bad to notice that my class is god tier "
Kind of reminds me of stamblade mains tbh
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✭✭✭✭✭I agree that the Silence for 3 seconds on Incap is beyond OP. But the sustain passive is fine. Considering that you won't be double barring Incap, you won't be getting all that much sustain out of it. Not to mention the fact that we got Minor Endurance taken away (which is a massive loss of recovery).
Still a slap in face to Sorcs who actually have complaints about sustain. Let me get this straight.
Now Nightblades got a silent that is Sorc ultimate. 😂 There's no Sorc rep.
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Kena can't rep both there's conflict of interestEdited by Tasear on May 7, 2019 11:13PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So... have any one actually tested it on PTS ? Or is it just panic reaction
Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on May 7, 2019 10:52PM1 -
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✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »So... have any one actually tested it on PTS ? Or is it just panic reaction
Panic reaction for sure.
Magsorcs already have good sustain, they just have to use an ability and they don’t want to.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »So... have any one actually tested it on PTS ? Or is it just panic reaction
Panic reaction for sure.
Magsorcs already have good sustain, they just have to use an ability and they don’t want to.
Oh ya sure, the one ability so *** that people tested and its a dps loss, yet NBs which had leeching strikes got another passive regen. On top of that, a nice silence, you guys are either delusional or extremelly dishonest in your comments1 -
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✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »So... have any one actually tested it on PTS ? Or is it just panic reaction
Uhhhm why do we actually Need to test the Sustain part of this? We already know that nightblade has excellent Sustain on live so its not rocket science to say that added Sustain will make that Sustain even better while other classes that struggle with Sustain (mostly Talking pve here) will be further behind nightblade.Politeness is respecting others.
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Xogath✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »So... have any one actually tested it on PTS ? Or is it just panic reaction
Just a panic so far.
As for the changes.. as a person who mained Stamblade for quite some time, the regen portion of this is fine and welcomed. The Silence, though? I'm not quite so sure how to handle that.
Not that I PvP seriously enough to even care, but an ability that counters an entire playstyle, which has no counter itself.. that's a little OP.
Along with the laughably sad notes for DKs this round, and persisting Necromancer bugs/issues, I'm not so sure I feel as confident with my Elsweyr pre-order now.0 -
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✭Mag sorc is op af if your struggling it’s a l2p issue and with incap change as you mag sorcs like to say a lot adapt 😎3 -
J18696✭✭✭✭✭On a stam nb in PvP long as your incap destroys the sorcs shields 3 seconds is more than enough to kill nearly any mag spec that can't defend itself and if it survived probs has no stam because they had to spam rollEdited by J18696 on May 7, 2019 11:13PM1
