Should pledge giver ask for dps test?

Vapirko · May 2019

I wasn’t in favor of this previously but that’s because I always ran as DPS lol. As a new healer I can see the pain a lot more clearly. The other day I did 50% of the damage and of course all the healing in my dungeon with just shards, WoE and heavy attacks lol. Luckily it was normal but still. It was also a 3 dps queue, the tank was fake. But for vet dungeons random queue I think a minimum of 20k would be good. With a basic rotation and some easy to get gear that’s not hard to get to at all. It would also push DPS to learn their class.

idk · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Your not getting it.

If you can do 10k to 20k dps youll be allowed to do normal dungeons and pledges.

If you can do 20k to 30k dps youl be allowed to do veteran dungeons and pledges.

This is a proposal not an actual thing, which seems to confuse you.

I am suggesting that players be asked to do a dps test by the 3 pledges giver before letting them do dungeons and pledges.

It is you that does not get it and I think we all know you are just making a suggestion. We have merely pointed out the lack of a need, lack of justification and your attempts to justify it does not make sense.

Few fights in this game actually require a certain level of dps. Most fights that are challenging mostly require someone who is good with the mechanics.,

Further, your idea puts a requirement for picking up the pledge, not for the dungeon so it is totally pointless.

So if you are having problems clearing dungeons stop blaming others and form your own group. Zos is not going to hold peoples hands through everything. They are not our mother.

And yet there were lots of threads during the anniversary event requiring to clear pledges to get the anniversary box, that their dps guy is doing less than 10k dps and kicked them out.

That is not a justification for Zos to implement a DPS check on pledges. That is a reason for someone to form their own group if they want to set requirements.

Zos provided those players with a solution many use every day, form their own group. I form groups for pledges when I run them and it is really easy to do.

You have failed to justify a reason for the requirement in a game where few dungeon fights have a dps requirement. Most of your comments where you try to justify your suggestion just do not make any sense and more times than not show your idea is pointless.

A pointless idea is one that is not shared.

If you dont agree with it then thats that, you being your response is what makes you as a person.

You still do not get it.

I am not suggesting sharing your idea is pointless. I am very much saying the idea itself is what is pointless.

When you fail to justify your suggestion you come back with posts like this and seemingly calling people trolls based on the post just before the one I quoted

russelmmendoza · May 2019

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Your not getting it.

If you can do 10k to 20k dps youll be allowed to do normal dungeons and pledges.

If you can do 20k to 30k dps youl be allowed to do veteran dungeons and pledges.

This is a proposal not an actual thing, which seems to confuse you.

I am suggesting that players be asked to do a dps test by the 3 pledges giver before letting them do dungeons and pledges.

It is you that does not get it and I think we all know you are just making a suggestion. We have merely pointed out the lack of a need, lack of justification and your attempts to justify it does not make sense.

Few fights in this game actually require a certain level of dps. Most fights that are challenging mostly require someone who is good with the mechanics.,

Further, your idea puts a requirement for picking up the pledge, not for the dungeon so it is totally pointless.

So if you are having problems clearing dungeons stop blaming others and form your own group. Zos is not going to hold peoples hands through everything. They are not our mother.

And yet there were lots of threads during the anniversary event requiring to clear pledges to get the anniversary box, that their dps guy is doing less than 10k dps and kicked them out.

That is not a justification for Zos to implement a DPS check on pledges. That is a reason for someone to form their own group if they want to set requirements.

Zos provided those players with a solution many use every day, form their own group. I form groups for pledges when I run them and it is really easy to do.

You have failed to justify a reason for the requirement in a game where few dungeon fights have a dps requirement. Most of your comments where you try to justify your suggestion just do not make any sense and more times than not show your idea is pointless.

A pointless idea is one that is not shared.

If you dont agree with it then thats that, you being your response is what makes you as a person.

You still do not get it.

I am not suggesting sharing your idea is pointless. I am very much saying the idea itself is what is pointless.

When you fail to justify your suggestion you come back with posts like this and seemingly calling people trolls based on the post just before the one I quoted.

Since you have not provided reasonable justification I am going to move on. If you come up with a solid justification then I will be back and check it out. If not, have a good day.

Have a good day too.

idk · May 2019

Vapirko wrote: »

I wasn’t in favor of this previously but that’s because I always ran as DPS lol. As a new healer I can see the pain a lot more clearly. The other day I did 50% of the damage and of course all the healing in my dungeon with just shards, WoE and heavy attacks lol. Luckily it was normal but still. It was also a 3 dps queue, the tank was fake. But for vet dungeons random queue I think a minimum of 20k would be good. With a basic rotation and some easy to get gear that’s not hard to get to at all. It would also push DPS to learn their class.

Funny, I used to queue solo to help groups out and helped many get their first clear of a dungeon. I queued as a healer because I could carry the group dps wise while still healing. Unless the group was really, really bad at taking as much damage as they could I would normally out dps the group.

Zos will not be implementing this, mostly because there is no justification for what OP suggests since few fights in the game require X amount of DPS. Zos gave us the ability to form our own group when we want requirements like this.

It really is that easy.

Kalgert · May 2019

I assume this is directed to me:

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Now thats a response.
If you started with that, I would have treated you in a civil way.
I am suggesting something, it may not agree with you, but you didnt have to be a troll.

I'd give your suggestion more credence, if it were a suggestion that wasn't absolutely stupid. It's basically saying "Hey, you don't do enough damage, you can't have this dailyquest! Even though you can probably go in to this dungeon through the group finder regardless if you have the daily quest or not". It has nothing to do with disagreeing or agreeing with it, it is objectively a bad idea.

Also, stop trying to project unto me. You're the one trolling with a suggestion that doesn't benefit anyone in the long run. Only idea that came out of you with SOME good to it, would be having something that allows players to get more in touch with how the game works. Other than that, it's all a load of gibberish.

russelmmendoza wrote: »

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Your not getting it.

If you can do 10k to 20k dps youll be allowed to do normal dungeons and pledges.

If you can do 20k to 30k dps youl be allowed to do veteran dungeons and pledges.

This is a proposal not an actual thing, which seems to confuse you.

I am suggesting that players be asked to do a dps test by the 3 pledges giver before letting them do dungeons and pledges.

It is you that does not get it and I think we all know you are just making a suggestion. We have merely pointed out the lack of a need, lack of justification and your attempts to justify it does not make sense.

Few fights in this game actually require a certain level of dps. Most fights that are challenging mostly require someone who is good with the mechanics.,

Further, your idea puts a requirement for picking up the pledge, not for the dungeon so it is totally pointless.

So if you are having problems clearing dungeons stop blaming others and form your own group. Zos is not going to hold peoples hands through everything. They are not our mother.

And yet there were lots of threads during the anniversary event requiring to clear pledges to get the anniversary box, that their dps guy is doing less than 10k dps and kicked them out.

That is not a justification for Zos to implement a DPS check on pledges. That is a reason for someone to form their own group if they want to set requirements.

Zos provided those players with a solution many use every day, form their own group. I form groups for pledges when I run them and it is really easy to do.

You have failed to justify a reason for the requirement in a game where few dungeon fights have a dps requirement. Most of your comments where you try to justify your suggestion just do not make any sense and more times than not show your idea is pointless.

A pointless idea is one that is not shared.

If you dont agree with it then thats that, you being your response is what makes you as a person.

Oh go away with that philosophical mumbo jumbo nonsense.

Sometimes there are ideas that simply should stay inside someone's head and never should be shared or acted upon. I have the idea of going to an interview today in my pijamas, but I won't do that because that would be very bad for me... Plus it's cold outside.

HowlKimchi · May 2019

Hey, @russelmmendoza, just curious. Are you the russelmendoza in Pacificacion? If so, we're guildies. :P

russelmmendoza · May 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

I assume this is directed to me:

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Now thats a response.
If you started with that, I would have treated you in a civil way.
I am suggesting something, it may not agree with you, but you didnt have to be a troll.

I'd give your suggestion more credence, if it were a suggestion that wasn't absolutely stupid. It's basically saying "Hey, you don't do enough damage, you can't have this dailyquest! Even though you can probably go in to this dungeon through the group finder regardless if you have the daily quest or not". It has nothing to do with disagreeing or agreeing with it, it is objectively a bad idea.

Also, stop trying to project unto me. You're the one trolling with a suggestion that doesn't benefit anyone in the long run. Only idea that came out of you with SOME good to it, would be having something that allows players to get more in touch with how the game works. Other than that, it's all a load of gibberish.

russelmmendoza wrote: »

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Your not getting it.

If you can do 10k to 20k dps youll be allowed to do normal dungeons and pledges.

If you can do 20k to 30k dps youl be allowed to do veteran dungeons and pledges.

This is a proposal not an actual thing, which seems to confuse you.

I am suggesting that players be asked to do a dps test by the 3 pledges giver before letting them do dungeons and pledges.

It is you that does not get it and I think we all know you are just making a suggestion. We have merely pointed out the lack of a need, lack of justification and your attempts to justify it does not make sense.

Few fights in this game actually require a certain level of dps. Most fights that are challenging mostly require someone who is good with the mechanics.,

Further, your idea puts a requirement for picking up the pledge, not for the dungeon so it is totally pointless.

So if you are having problems clearing dungeons stop blaming others and form your own group. Zos is not going to hold peoples hands through everything. They are not our mother.

And yet there were lots of threads during the anniversary event requiring to clear pledges to get the anniversary box, that their dps guy is doing less than 10k dps and kicked them out.

That is not a justification for Zos to implement a DPS check on pledges. That is a reason for someone to form their own group if they want to set requirements.

Zos provided those players with a solution many use every day, form their own group. I form groups for pledges when I run them and it is really easy to do.

You have failed to justify a reason for the requirement in a game where few dungeon fights have a dps requirement. Most of your comments where you try to justify your suggestion just do not make any sense and more times than not show your idea is pointless.

A pointless idea is one that is not shared.

If you dont agree with it then thats that, you being your response is what makes you as a person.

Oh go away with that philosophical mumbo jumbo nonsense.

Sometimes there are ideas that simply should stay inside someone's head and never should be shared or acted upon. I have the idea of going to an interview today in my pijamas, but I won't do that because that would be very bad for me... Plus it's cold outside.

Well that one is on you.

White wabbit · May 2019

The real question should be ! Should forums users think before posting

russelmmendoza · May 2019

HaruKamui wrote: »

Hey, @russelmmendoza, just curious. Are you the russelmendoza in Pacificacion? If so, we're guildies. :P

Ang Pusakal ng Tondo, at your service, lol.

Elwendryll · May 2019

There is no actual dps requirement for most of the dungeons. There is no "if you don't have X group dps, you die", in most of the dungeons. It's harder with a lower dps but you can still make it, but there is less room for mistakes. Anyway, there is already a CP restriction, and it's more than enough.

Kalgert · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Have a good day too.

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Well that one is on you.

So because people are still putting you to task, and expect a better justification or explanation out of you (Or at the very least, pointing out that you aren't doing a good job at either), you decide to reply with single sentences, and trying to avoid any further discussion?

And you dare to call me a troll.... Priceless.

White wabbit wrote: »

The real question should be ! Should forums users think before posting

Yeah, probably. I am anticipating this thread to get closed fairly soon'ish, because it offers nothing of substance... Plus when people demand justification, the OP decides to spin up a response that tells nothing.

FierceSam · May 2019

If you don’t want to risk doing a dungeon with low dps players

Find 3 friends and do it your way

But I guess that 3 friends is at least 3 too many for some people.

kargen27 · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Your not getting it.

If you can do 10k to 20k dps youll be allowed to do normal dungeons and pledges.

If you can do 20k to 30k dps youl be allowed to do veteran dungeons and pledges.

This is a proposal not an actual thing, which seems to confuse you.

I am suggesting that players be asked to do a dps test by the 3 pledges giver before letting them do dungeons and pledges.

They are getting it. They fully understand what you are saying and they are telling you it is an extremely bad idea. They are telling you that because it is an extremely bad idea.

russelmmendoza · May 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Have a good day too.

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Well that one is on you.

So because people are still putting you to task, and expect a better justification or explanation out of you (Or at the very least, pointing out that you aren't doing a good job at either), you decide to reply with single sentences, and trying to avoid any further discussion?

And you dare to call me a troll.... Priceless.

White wabbit wrote: »

The real question should be ! Should forums users think before posting

Yeah, probably. I am anticipating this thread to get closed fairly soon'ish, because it offers nothing of substance... Plus when people demand justification, the OP decides to spin up a response that tells nothing.

Like I said it is a suggestion.
You can agree or disagree.

Your first response is "troll"

How should I know your opinion base on that.
Be civil dont be a troll.

As for the why for my suggestion, there were threads that people were kicking out dps doing less than 10k in a normal pledges, if thats not enough for you then thats that.

BigBragg · May 2019

A DPS check doesn't equate to being able to handle mechanics.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · May 2019

yes and while at it should ask if tanks can tank or healers heal.

Wolfkeks · May 2019

Dps requirement for pledges? No. I see a problem with implementing this (I mean ZOS made a group finder which is not working, so don't give them more ideas about broken tools) and deciding what the numbers are gonna be. What if ZOS decides 10k is enough for get dungeons? Or what is they decide 50k should be enough? A lot of people would be unhappy.
And do I have to do a dps for every plegde I pick up? That would take some time for ally chars. What about tanks and healers?
I find this very restricting and that is not the spirit of ESO.

Should ESO implement a system that explains weaving and rotations? Yes.
Lot of new players don't even know what weaving is or how to do a rotation. So make something that explains that would help a lot of players improve.

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Those 3 undaunted guys giving pledges should ask for you to do a dps test before giving you the actual pledge. They would only give you pledge if you reach their desired dps parse.

So what would the test be for tank and healer?

Yeah, there is no need for DPS test. Just see the group DPS in combat metrics and if DDs are not doing at least 20% of the damage then just kick them or solo speed run the dungeon unless you want to dedicate your time to teach them if they are willing to listen. The problem in the EU server is mostly that people either don't listen or don't know English so in most cases you will need to solo the content and leave them behind.

Once I was in normal ROM as a fake tank. The two DDs complained that I was not tanking even though I was doing 95%+ of the total damage. Then the Dreadtooth (Xal-Nur) boss fight came and I decided to tank it with doing as little DPS as possible (taunt without any light attacks). Told them the mechanics and said that they now need to DPS. Guess what happened. We stayed there for 2 hours. And even though I was wearing the ugly skin from the dungeon they told me that I will never complete it

So my advise is that if you have limited free time to just make sure you are in group with people you know. Or if you so badly want to teach people better join a dungeon guild and raid with the pugs there.

russelmmendoza · May 2019

Wolfkeks wrote: »

Dps requirement for pledges? No. I see a problem with implementing this (I mean ZOS made a group finder which is not working, so don't give them more ideas about broken tools) and deciding what the numbers are gonna be. What if ZOS decides 10k is enough for get dungeons? Or what is they decide 50k should be enough? A lot of people would be unhappy.
And do I have to do a dps for every plegde I pick up? That would take some time for ally chars. What about tanks and healers?
I find this very restricting and that is not the spirit of ESO.

Should ESO implement a system that explains weaving and rotations? Yes.
Lot of new players don't even know what weaving is or how to do a rotation. So make something that explains that would help a lot of players improve.

Best answer so far.

Yes test them while teaching them.

You only get that weaving information when you die, dot and aoe will only be seen in death cap.

Rotation is the biggest factor in dps.

Tutorial about weaving, combat system mechanics and rotation should be taught to new players when they start playing the game.

Kalgert · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Like I said it is a suggestion.
You can agree or disagree.

russelmmendoza wrote: »

As for the why for my suggestion, there were threads that people were kicking out dps doing less than 10k in a normal pledges, if thats not enough for you then thats that.

And those people made stupid threads as well, and are probably terrible people at that.

That doesn't mean that it is a totally legit and valid thing, to then start suggesting "Hey! How about we make pledges require a DPS minimum? That definitely will help everyone".

I will repeat what I have said earlier. I doubt you are making this thread to benefit people, it is likely a misguided and disingenuous attempt at a selfish agenda.

russelmmendoza · May 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Like I said it is a suggestion.
You can agree or disagree.

russelmmendoza wrote: »

As for the why for my suggestion, there were threads that people were kicking out dps doing less than 10k in a normal pledges, if thats not enough for you then thats that.

And those people made stupid threads as well, and are probably terrible people at that.

That doesn't mean that it is a totally legit and valid thing, to then start suggesting "Hey! How about we make pledges require a DPS minimum? That definitely will help everyone".

I will repeat what I have said earlier. I doubt you are making this thread to benefit people, it is likely a misguided and disingenuous attempt at a selfish agenda.

Ok, you dont agree, got it.

Kalgert · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

wishlist14 wrote: »

Maybe we should all be interviewed before being allowed to play a game that...WE PAID FOR
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😘

No, silly.
Teach new players about weaving, dot, aoe and rotation to help them in their dps.

If you just said that, then people would probably have been more willing to agree with you, instead of expecting a DPS minimum sticked on to daily quests for dungeons.

D'oh!

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Ok, you dont agree, got it.

"If I repeat myself, maybe the thing that I am saying will make sense and be true..."

Aznarb · May 2019

If you don't want random, get a guild or/and some friend.
Gonna be way more fun and easier.

No one force you to use group finder.

thorwyn · May 2019

Why are people so obsessed with dps? Is that some kind of weird fetish? 75k dps doesn't help jack s*it if you don't know the mechanics or are too busy with weaving to avoid that funny red circle that blows up the entire group.
I've seen some bad DD's in my time. I've also seen some crappy tanks and incompetent healers. It's random people thrown together. Deal with it or form your own group.

Edziu · May 2019

thorwyn wrote: »

Why are people so obsessed with dps?

maybe because when someone good is quein into VET dung he is doing 90%+ of group dps for 2dps and in it also is a bit of dps from tank, healer
or doing also around 90% dps as fake healer with 3dd run with 2 random dd's

and then we have when someone is doing 40k dps and doing 90% of group dps then what dps is doing other dd's? 5k if not less?

sorry but even on healer you are going to do 5-15k depending on how much you have exp while buffing group and 5k for sure even on tank

so sorry but as for VET dung you shouldng go with such low dps which can acheve even tank/healer role...
if you are doing that low dps as dd role then you are not doing good this role and you shouldnt queue for harder content than normal where level of mobs is raising and you need to have this dps to jjsut done this dung and dont struggle for hours with singe dung

thorwyn · May 2019

so sorry but as for VET dung you shouldng go with such low dps which can acheve even tank/healer role...

So sorry, but the game allows people to do that. Now what?

Tsar_Gekkou · May 2019

No test. All that we need is the 15 minute queue timer to be abolished so people aren't punished for interacting with this community and getting thrown into a group with absolute apes because they dared to get snake-eyes on the craps table that is pugging.

Edziu · May 2019

thorwyn wrote: »

so sorry but as for VET dung you shouldng go with such low dps which can acheve even tank/healer role...

So sorry, but the game allows people to do that. Now what?

what? explain to noob to go away or kick him or just leave group ffs to let them struggle with this probably (no offence) mindless noob which supposed to go for vet dung without any exp while hoping for free carry

I was playing since beta, when I got exp I was doing dungs many time with pugs, after some years I have burned out of carrying noobs from pugs and I dont have time and nerves and power anymore to waste my time and power to carry an noob which is giving literally nothing into group and msot of them are enough arrogants saying they know their character, build better than me when I try to explain, helo some to make them better in dps and use good dps skills for this

sorry but how I had no problem before with those noobs because most of them still was able to learn something form someones more exp now verytime I go with other pugs and get with real noob dps I have more and more nervousness and hate to them as how many arrogant noobs I get with today time

mocap · May 2019

there are mechanics for DPS. Zaan statues, Rune mage bubble, Planar (before nerf), vBRF last boss, vROM last boss totem. Basicaly semi-random stuff you need to kill very fast.

thorwyn · May 2019

Edziu wrote: »

stuff

Grats!
You used the word "noob" six times in one reply. Still doesn't change the fact that:

a. "noobs" are entitled to queue for groups as long as they meet the level/CP requirements
b. you might not like that, but nobody cares what you like or do not like, let alone how brilliant you are or since when you are playing this game
c. if you want to avoid being hassled by "noobs", form your own group