Do you want to see crafting bag not be subscription locked?

Skwor · May 2019

Just pay for it, period!

It is not essential to play the game and many of us have paid for years to have it. Hardly appropriate to crap all over those of us who have, someone has to pay for this game and we should get something for doing so.

GarnetFire17 · May 2019

Wrekkedd wrote: »

I don’t understand why, if you don’t have $15 a month to support something you enjoy, you really shouldn’t be sitting at home playing games in the first place.

Tell that to Fornite players. You don't need a subscription model to even have a good game and make millions. Make the game fun and the game will profit. And don't let tedious things like inventory managment become a pain in the first place. Not only should it be part of the base game. It should have been in from day 1.

GarnetFire17 · May 2019

Davor wrote: »

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

I never like that they decided to stick this behind an subscription wall. It's one of the few things ZOS has done that gets me to grind my teeth when thinking about it. I don't think it was necessary to resort to inventory extortion to sell subs. The subscription has enough value to justify the price for many people without it. If you want to do the double bank space as sub-only that would be fine by me, but the craftbag is too big a quality of life aspect. It would just make the game immensely better for all if they just let everyone have it and that would be a good thing because you don't want people frustrated and quitting the game because they are constantly having to deal with choosing to make room in the inventory every 30 seconds or leave stuff on the ground they could be picking up and selling later since everything you grab is worth at least some gold. I think it was very bad choice.

Extortion? Really? How did you ever play before the craft bag was introduced?

i did, absolutely, and inventory managment sucked then too. But there were less things to fill up your bank also.

DenMoria · May 2019

OP - so basically you want no-one to have any reason to subscribe.

No. Just No.

Those of us who have subscribed for years deserve something. We don't get better performance, rewards or anything else, at least give us the bag.

Sheesh.

Entitled much?

Skwor · May 2019

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

Wrekkedd wrote: »

I don’t understand why, if you don’t have $15 a month to support something you enjoy, you really shouldn’t be sitting at home playing games in the first place.

Tell that to Fornite players. You don't need a subscription model to even have a good game and make millions. Make the game fun and the game will profit. And don't let tedious things like inventory managment become a pain in the first place. Not only should it be part of the base game. It should have been in from day 1.

This is not Fortnight, I would rather not have a bunch of 12 to 15 year old's running around acting like jerks and doing micro transactions all day long in ESO using their parents credit card. Fortnight is a toxic, cancerous wasteland, let's not have that here.

Besides, the games are very different requiring somewhat different pricing mechanisms

DenMoria · May 2019

Skwor wrote: »

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

Wrekkedd wrote: »

I don’t understand why, if you don’t have $15 a month to support something you enjoy, you really shouldn’t be sitting at home playing games in the first place.

Tell that to Fornite players. You don't need a subscription model to even have a good game and make millions. Make the game fun and the game will profit. And don't let tedious things like inventory managment become a pain in the first place. Not only should it be part of the base game. It should have been in from day 1.

This is not fortnight, I would rather not have a bunch of 12 to 15 year old's running around acting like jerks and doing micro transactions all day long in ESO using their parents card. Fortnight is a toxic, cancerous wasteland, let's not have that here.

The games are very different requiring somewhat different pricing mechanisms

You forgot to mention that Fortnite is actually quite boring unless you're killing someone else.

Children play Fortnite. Adults play ESO.

Okay... that's not true, but I agree with you that Fortnite is just a bunch of punks punking each other and acting like tools.

it's not even fun.

ESO offers stories, incredible design, options, etc. Fortnite offers none of that.

GarnetFire17 · May 2019

You forgot to mention that Fortnite is actually quite boring unless you're killing someone else.

Children play Fortnite. Adults play ESO.

Okay... that's not true, but I agree with you that Fortnite is just a bunch of punks punking each other and acting like tools.

it's not even fun.

ESO offers stories, incredible design, options, etc. Fortnite offers none of that.

This not an opinion debate which game is better. Fornite is a free game that makes way more money because it has more people playing with because it doesn't have tedious BS in it like constantly full inventory you need to deal with every 5 mins. That is not a normal thing. Paying 15 dollars a month simply because they decided to this to us is insanity. I don't want to pay 15 dollars a month to pay a game I own I would rather buy, not rent. It's the reason why I never played wow or ESO when it first came out. I will pay for more content but will not pay to play what I already own. And not having your inventory space squished is not more content.

Skwor · May 2019

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

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Davor wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Metafae wrote: »

To be honest, if it wasn't part of the subscription, I'd probably drop the sub.

That is the problem, pretty much forcing people to sub for inventory management should not be the players problem. It is straight up a scam. They should redo the whole sub platform and take a close look at it. The fact people are cool with it is cancerous to me. Anyone have an actual total mat item count for eso? Or yes they could increase bank space cap, but isn't that what housing was suppose to do?

I am harsh on Zenimax. I don't like a lot of things they do. Thing is, this is not a scam. How is it a scam? When it was subscription based and you needed to pay the $15 a month, inventory was still the same. When One Tamerial came out, inventory was still the same.

Inventory never decreased. I left ESO for various reasons. One of them was I thought it was a "scam" as well. Well low and behold I have tired other games and ESO was the BEST when it comes to giving inventory AND increasing inventory WITHOUT paying a penny.

So no, it's not a scam.

As for cancerous, really? Is it killing anyone? Is anyone hurt by it? Cancerous, no. I hope that you never have to see what cancer really is. I have seen it 3 times. That should not be taken lightly. At least if you are going to use that word, then have it in proper context.

What you described is not cancerous at all.

As for housing, no that is not what it was suppose to be. It was the player base that assumed it was suppose to be. I expected it as well. Sadly that was never the intent.

Please next time you want to describe something, make sure you are using the proper language. It does seem you don't really know what you are talking about. I should know. I have done the same as you before. I am not perfect, but I have learned.

You can't be taken serious when not using the proper language to explain yourself.

You need to look up what scammed means and how that applies. Seriously, read the definition. Simply starting the game with sub then moving to f2p model and using inventory management to get people to sub on a f2p fits well within the definition.

I said the behavior is cancerous to online game mmos in general much like pre-ordering is to gaming in general. Cancerous to me because the delusion that the player has any stake in the companies revenue. Cancerous is an adopted gaming slang term as in the unhealthy behavior spreads in an unhealthy way getting exponentially worse.

I have already been called a socialist by someone who prob does not even know what it means. Accused of basically being bad at economics or do not know how business works bc everyone on the eso forum is a expert lol.

I am not saying what Zenimax is doing is good or bad, just saying the terminology you are using is not correct. While Zenimax is trying to get people to buy ESO+, it's nothing more than what other companies, stores, do. It's like buying a car and then getting more out of it.

Like say buying a car but doesn't include tires, and you need to buy tires from where you bought it from, yes that would be a scam.

But reducing inventory space so people will buy the upgrade packs in other games is not a scam. I don't like that practice but we know what we are getting into. Saying scammed is basically saying we don't know what we are buying or we expect on thing when buying and received something different when we receive it.

I guess it can be said part of the online MMO in games is having a specific amount of storage in game. I guess same goes for the other The Elder Scrolls and Fallout games. In those games we can increase or carrying/stash size just like we can do in ESO. Yes ESO has also a payment option. Zenimax actually gives lots of storage.

So I don't see where Zenimax is scamming us. It is optional. So no scamming there. Zenimax already gives us good ways to free up our inventory. No scam there. Zenimax hasn't decreased storage space at all in order to sell more storage space. So again, no scam.

I guess next time I go to Mc Donalds and they ask me if I want to large size it, I guess I better not, since that would be a scam as well. Why should I have to pay for a bigger cup and box for fries?

It's not a scam, not one is saying it is. But

DenMoria wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

Wrekkedd wrote: »

I don’t understand why, if you don’t have $15 a month to support something you enjoy, you really shouldn’t be sitting at home playing games in the first place.

Tell that to Fornite players. You don't need a subscription model to even have a good game and make millions. Make the game fun and the game will profit. And don't let tedious things like inventory managment become a pain in the first place. Not only should it be part of the base game. It should have been in from day 1.

This is not fortnight, I would rather not have a bunch of 12 to 15 year old's running around acting like jerks and doing micro transactions all day long in ESO using their parents card. Fortnight is a toxic, cancerous wasteland, let's not have that here.

The games are very different requiring somewhat different pricing mechanisms

You forgot to mention that Fortnite is actually quite boring unless you're killing someone else.

Children play Fortnite. Adults play ESO.

Okay... that's not true, but I agree with you that Fortnite is just a bunch of punks punking each other and acting like tools.

it's not even fun.

ESO offers stories, incredible design, options, etc. Fortnite offers none of that.

This not an opinion debate which game is better. Fornite is a free game that makes way more money because it has more people playing with because it doesn't have tedious BS in it like constantly full inventory you need to deal with every 5 mins. That is not a normal thing. Paying 15 dollars a month simply because they decided to this to us is insanity. I don't want to pay 15 dollars a month to pay a game I own I would rather buy, not rent. It's the reason why I never played wow or ESO when it first came out. I will pay for more content but will not pay to play what I already own. And not having your inventory space squished is not more content.

You are mixing two types of games together expecting the same pricing model. It does not work that way.

So just how exactly do you think Fortnight makes a ton of money?

Then explain how ESO would using that model.

Fortnight made a ton of money using microtransactions on their Battle Royal mode, ESO does not even have that. I think what you really want is to turn ESO into a microtransaction nightmare. I and many do not want to live in a microtransaction driven spam fest. OR you just want a free craft bag and expect everyone else to pay for your gameplay.

Malacthulhu · May 2019

DenMoria wrote: »

OP - so basically you want no-one to have any reason to subscribe.

No. Just No.

Those of us who have subscribed for years deserve something. We don't get better performance, rewards or anything else, at least give us the bag.

Sheesh.

Entitled much?

Please quote me where I said that I do not want people to have a reason to subscribe?
Reading comprehension much? I think people should have a good reason to subscribe, but not because of inventory management.

Entitled, well hell ya, I am also a socialist too, did you hear? This game is not a stock it is software and it goes down in value over time, paying for sub for inventory space does not add value to it because of the last so many years of pumping money into it.

I also never said anything about the craft bag being free, surprise surprise.

Skwor · May 2019

Malacthulhu wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

OP - so basically you want no-one to have any reason to subscribe.

No. Just No.

Those of us who have subscribed for years deserve something. We don't get better performance, rewards or anything else, at least give us the bag.

Sheesh.

Entitled much?

Please quote me where I said that I do not want people to have a reason to subscribe?
Reading comprehension much? I think people should have a good reason to subscribe, but not because of inventory management.

Entitled, well hell ya, I am also a socialist too, did you hear? This game is not a stock it is software and it goes down in value over time, paying for sub for inventory space does not add value to it because of the last so many years of pumping money into it.

I also never said anything about the craft bag being free, surprise surprise.

Fine then what would you suggest ESO give in a subscription that is valuable enough to subscribe for? Right now the ESO craft bag is pretty much the only reason most subscribe for.

GarnetFire17 · May 2019

Skwor wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

OP - so basically you want no-one to have any reason to subscribe.

No. Just No.

Those of us who have subscribed for years deserve something. We don't get better performance, rewards or anything else, at least give us the bag.

Sheesh.

Entitled much?

Please quote me where I said that I do not want people to have a reason to subscribe?
Reading comprehension much? I think people should have a good reason to subscribe, but not because of inventory management.

Entitled, well hell ya, I am also a socialist too, did you hear? This game is not a stock it is software and it goes down in value over time, paying for sub for inventory space does not add value to it because of the last so many years of pumping money into it.

I also never said anything about the craft bag being free, surprise surprise.

Fine then what would you suggest ESO give in a subscription that is valuable enough to subscribe for? Right now the ESO craft bag is pretty much the only reason most subscribe for now.

I don't know why anyone keeps saying that. I don't think its true at all. With the sub you get more crowns than the normal price for $15 worth of crowns. You get access to all the dlcs without having to actually buy them,you get discounts on crown store stuff. Your bank space is doubled. you get xp and gold buffs. Its a great deal without the craft bag. It's an illogical fear that people won't sub.

DenMoria · May 2019

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

You forgot to mention that Fortnite is actually quite boring unless you're killing someone else.

Children play Fortnite. Adults play ESO.

Okay... that's not true, but I agree with you that Fortnite is just a bunch of punks punking each other and acting like tools.

it's not even fun.

ESO offers stories, incredible design, options, etc. Fortnite offers none of that.

This not an opinion debate which game is better. Fornite is a free game that makes way more money because it has more people playing with because it doesn't have tedious BS in it like constantly full inventory you need to deal with every 5 mins. That is not a normal thing. Paying 15 dollars a month simply because they decided to this to us is insanity. I don't want to pay 15 dollars a month to pay a game I own I would rather buy, not rent. It's the reason why I never played wow or ESO when it first came out. I will pay for more content but will not pay to play what I already own. And not having your inventory space squished is not more content.

And how does a free game make more money?

Through it's store, of course.

ESO is an RPG game. Fortnite is not.

You seem to think that ESO shoudl be Fortnite.

They're not even in the same league.

Candy Crush has also made oodles of money, but that doesn't mean that it's model would work with ESO.

WoW is far closer to ESO and yet it's model is significantly different as well.

While FTP may seem like a good idea, all FTP games are actually or soon become PTW.

It's the reality of the industry.

Skwor · May 2019

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

OP - so basically you want no-one to have any reason to subscribe.

No. Just No.

Those of us who have subscribed for years deserve something. We don't get better performance, rewards or anything else, at least give us the bag.

Sheesh.

Entitled much?

Please quote me where I said that I do not want people to have a reason to subscribe?
Reading comprehension much? I think people should have a good reason to subscribe, but not because of inventory management.

Entitled, well hell ya, I am also a socialist too, did you hear? This game is not a stock it is software and it goes down in value over time, paying for sub for inventory space does not add value to it because of the last so many years of pumping money into it.

I also never said anything about the craft bag being free, surprise surprise.

Fine then what would you suggest ESO give in a subscription that is valuable enough to subscribe for? Right now the ESO craft bag is pretty much the only reason most subscribe for now.

I don't know why anyone keeps saying that. I don't think its true at all. With the sub you get more crowns than the normal price for $15 worth of crowns. You get access to all the dlcs without having to actually buy them,you get discounts on crown store stuff. Your bank space is doubled. you get xp and gold buffs. Its a great deal without the craft bag.

Funny thing about assessing value on a product, you do not get to decide what another person values.

The boards are replete with numerous posters stating the craft bag is the reason for why they are ESO+. SO regardless what you think a good reason is, most others who buy ESO+ here have stated it is the craft bag.

I have ESO+ and still have bought every DLC, I am way over max CP so 10% xp means little to me, I am filthy rich so 10% gold means little to me. As far as double bank space, I could care less, without the craft bag it would be pointless space and fill up with craft materials.

Crowns are meh at best. So there you have it, it is the craft bag or nothing for me.

Malacthulhu · May 2019

Skwor wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

OP - so basically you want no-one to have any reason to subscribe.

No. Just No.

Those of us who have subscribed for years deserve something. We don't get better performance, rewards or anything else, at least give us the bag.

Sheesh.

Entitled much?

Please quote me where I said that I do not want people to have a reason to subscribe?
Reading comprehension much? I think people should have a good reason to subscribe, but not because of inventory management.

Entitled, well hell ya, I am also a socialist too, did you hear? This game is not a stock it is software and it goes down in value over time, paying for sub for inventory space does not add value to it because of the last so many years of pumping money into it.

I also never said anything about the craft bag being free, surprise surprise.

Fine then what would you suggest ESO give in a subscription that is valuable enough to subscribe for? Right now the ESO craft bag is pretty much the only reason most subscribe for now.

Yes, it is, and how long has it been and what have they offered aside from a basic cash shop rebate with free crowns? They could do a lot of things instead, bonuses to things that save time, a logout merchant mode for subscribers, you would get so many bc of the guild merchant monopolies. Etc.
In my opinion, pc should be sub only and cash shop on console. Console still needs f2p model to compete pc does not, but they cannot just revert a f2p model to sub will never happen. Also, I am pretty sure cash shop brings in more dough than sub, no one knows for sure though.
There are other ways to solve the inventory issues with stack sizes etc but it will never happen because of how it is tied into sub.

If they did a soft switch to test the waters allow people to buy the craft bag with crowns or cash but it has to be accessed at a bank in a city, sub would allow access anywhere. This would also removed the withdrawal anywhere unless you had sub. A gold sink could also be attached for its use for none sub.

DenMoria · May 2019

Malacthulhu wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

OP - so basically you want no-one to have any reason to subscribe.

No. Just No.

Those of us who have subscribed for years deserve something. We don't get better performance, rewards or anything else, at least give us the bag.

Sheesh.

Entitled much?

Please quote me where I said that I do not want people to have a reason to subscribe?
Reading comprehension much? I think people should have a good reason to subscribe, but not because of inventory management.

Entitled, well hell ya, I am also a socialist too, did you hear? This game is not a stock it is software and it goes down in value over time, paying for sub for inventory space does not add value to it because of the last so many years of pumping money into it.

I also never said anything about the craft bag being free, surprise surprise.

So what reason would people have to subscribe then?

The only benefits at this point are access to the DLC's, etc., a few crowns and a slight experience boost. Most of us only subscribe for the bag. The rest is pretty much gravy.

And I am sorry for your standing.

No freebies is what I say.

I work hard to buy the things I want and couldn't give a fig if somebody feels like their entitled to stuff without putting in any effort.

DenMoria · May 2019

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

OP - so basically you want no-one to have any reason to subscribe.

No. Just No.

Those of us who have subscribed for years deserve something. We don't get better performance, rewards or anything else, at least give us the bag.

Sheesh.

Entitled much?

Please quote me where I said that I do not want people to have a reason to subscribe?
Reading comprehension much? I think people should have a good reason to subscribe, but not because of inventory management.

Entitled, well hell ya, I am also a socialist too, did you hear? This game is not a stock it is software and it goes down in value over time, paying for sub for inventory space does not add value to it because of the last so many years of pumping money into it.

I also never said anything about the craft bag being free, surprise surprise.

Fine then what would you suggest ESO give in a subscription that is valuable enough to subscribe for? Right now the ESO craft bag is pretty much the only reason most subscribe for now.

I don't know why anyone keeps saying that. I don't think its true at all. With the sub you get more crowns than the normal price for $15 worth of crowns. You get access to all the dlcs without having to actually buy them,you get discounts on crown store stuff. Your bank space is doubled. you get xp and gold buffs. Its a great deal without the craft bag. It's an illogical fear that people won't sub.

Nope.

Cheap people shouldn't get anything.

If you aren't willing to pay for it then you shouldn't get anything.

Nothing for free. Nothing at all.

I work way too hard for what I get and what I have to just let people get away with free stuff.

I'd make 'em pay for water too... and air... if I could.

Malacthulhu · May 2019

DenMoria wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

OP - so basically you want no-one to have any reason to subscribe.

No. Just No.

Those of us who have subscribed for years deserve something. We don't get better performance, rewards or anything else, at least give us the bag.

Sheesh.

Entitled much?

Please quote me where I said that I do not want people to have a reason to subscribe?
Reading comprehension much? I think people should have a good reason to subscribe, but not because of inventory management.

Entitled, well hell ya, I am also a socialist too, did you hear? This game is not a stock it is software and it goes down in value over time, paying for sub for inventory space does not add value to it because of the last so many years of pumping money into it.

I also never said anything about the craft bag being free, surprise surprise.

So what reason would people have to subscribe then?

The only benefits at this point are access to the DLC's, etc., a few crowns and a slight experience boost. Most of us only subscribe for the bag. The rest is pretty much gravy.

And I am sorry for your standing.

No freebies is what I say.

I work hard to buy the things I want and couldn't give a fig if somebody feels like their entitled to stuff without putting in any effort.

Where did I mention freebie, please quote me where I once used the word free?

GarnetFire17 · May 2019

Malacthulhu wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

OP - so basically you want no-one to have any reason to subscribe.

No. Just No.

Those of us who have subscribed for years deserve something. We don't get better performance, rewards or anything else, at least give us the bag.

Sheesh.

Entitled much?

Please quote me where I said that I do not want people to have a reason to subscribe?
Reading comprehension much? I think people should have a good reason to subscribe, but not because of inventory management.

Entitled, well hell ya, I am also a socialist too, did you hear? This game is not a stock it is software and it goes down in value over time, paying for sub for inventory space does not add value to it because of the last so many years of pumping money into it.

I also never said anything about the craft bag being free, surprise surprise.

DenMoria wrote: »

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

You forgot to mention that Fortnite is actually quite boring unless you're killing someone else.

Children play Fortnite. Adults play ESO.

Okay... that's not true, but I agree with you that Fortnite is just a bunch of punks punking each other and acting like tools.

it's not even fun.

ESO offers stories, incredible design, options, etc. Fortnite offers none of that.

This not an opinion debate which game is better. Fornite is a free game that makes way more money because it has more people playing with because it doesn't have tedious BS in it like constantly full inventory you need to deal with every 5 mins. That is not a normal thing. Paying 15 dollars a month simply because they decided to this to us is insanity. I don't want to pay 15 dollars a month to pay a game I own I would rather buy, not rent. It's the reason why I never played wow or ESO when it first came out. I will pay for more content but will not pay to play what I already own. And not having your inventory space squished is not more content.

And how does a free game make more money?

Through it's store, of course.

ESO is an RPG game. Fortnite is not.

You seem to think that ESO shoudl be Fortnite.

They're not even in the same league.

Candy Crush has also made oodles of money, but that doesn't mean that it's model would work with ESO.

WoW is far closer to ESO and yet it's model is significantly different as well.

While FTP may seem like a good idea, all FTP games are actually or soon become PTW.

It's the reality of the industry.

I am not saying it should be free to play. I am not saying it should be like Fornite. YI am saying you can make money easy off of non-subscribers so there is not need to try to coerce anyone to subscribe and that is what they are trying to do with the craftbag. You craftbag users, imagine playing this game without it. It's not a pleasant thought is it? What does it say to new players that aren't sure they want to commit to this game? It will turn a lot of them not sure they want to commit to 15 dollars a month away. maybe they are playing wow and already pay 15 dollars. It's not wise to leave a bad first impression with something silly like harsh inventory management.

Malacthulhu · May 2019

Just to clear up one thing, I refer to f2p as a none sub based model. Moving one asset from sub to f2p I mean put it in the cash shop. If I confused anyone with the f2p term, my bad.

Karius_Imalthar · May 2019

You want the free breadsticks without ordering any dinner. Many of us played the game and became master crafters before there was ever a craft bag. It's a very nice convenience and one of the many incentives to subscribing.

Malacthulhu · May 2019

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

You want the free breadsticks without ordering any dinner. Many of us played the game and became master crafters before there was ever a craft bag. It's a very nice convenience and one of the many incentives to subscribing.

No actually, I want to buy the dinner and the breadsticks without paying the restaurant a subscription fee to use a plate to eat them on. Good job reading before you posted and regurgitated the same nonsense others have.

Loves_guars · May 2019

No, but make bank double cap for not subscribers.

max_only · May 2019

Make more posts like this so they know to never drop it from the subscription.

DenMoria · May 2019

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

You want the free breadsticks without ordering any dinner. Many of us played the game and became master crafters before there was ever a craft bag. It's a very nice convenience and one of the many incentives to subscribing.

No actually, I want to buy the dinner and the breadsticks without paying the restaurant a subscription fee to use a plate to eat them on. Good job reading before you posted and regurgitated the same nonsense others have.

Ewww.... so you just want 'em to dump it on the table so you can eat like an animal?

Basically, what you're asking for is that ESO be a P2W game.

Everything for sale in the Crown Store with no subscription at all or, if there is a subscription, there is no benefit for it.

A'La'Carte.

Hows that worked out for every other game that has tried it?

ThanatosXR · May 2019

Crafting bag+dlc acess is all of plus's value

DenMoria · May 2019

ThanatosXR wrote: »

Crafting bag+dlc acess is all of plus's value

OP wants that gone.

To cheap to pay for a subscription for the bag so wants it given to him for free just "cause.

ThanatosXR · May 2019

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

Wrekkedd wrote: »

I don’t understand why, if you don’t have $15 a month to support something you enjoy, you really shouldn’t be sitting at home playing games in the first place.

Tell that to Fornite players. You don't need a subscription model to even have a good game and make millions. Make the game fun and the game will profit. And don't let tedious things like inventory managment become a pain in the first place. Not only should it be part of the base game. It should have been in from day 1.

Did you really compare a rpg with a fps? Dont they charge u to level?

DenMoria wrote: »

ThanatosXR wrote: »

Crafting bag+dlc acess is all of plus's value

OP wants that gon
To cheap to pay for a subscription for the bag so wants it given to him for free just "cause.

Be careful whatys wish for,subbers provide steady revenue,you think stores bad now, the game would be full of p2w garbage. Single player games are even full of that ***.

ESO plus has an advantage, investors love the steady income provides them an incentive to keep the products quality stable

DenMoria · May 2019

ThanatosXR wrote: »

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

Wrekkedd wrote: »

I don’t understand why, if you don’t have $15 a month to support something you enjoy, you really shouldn’t be sitting at home playing games in the first place.

Tell that to Fornite players. You don't need a subscription model to even have a good game and make millions. Make the game fun and the game will profit. And don't let tedious things like inventory managment become a pain in the first place. Not only should it be part of the base game. It should have been in from day 1.

Did you really compare a rpg with a fps?

Yes... Yes they did.

Mudcrabber · May 2019

A profitable middle ground might be that the non-subscriber crafting bag has a slot limit, upgradeable with crowns or gems, starting at maybe 50-100 free slots.

If they want to retain the incentive to subscribe, even if you've upgraded your bag, they could require non-subscribers to stow items manually, possibly requiring the use of a crafting station or banker assistant, to prevent addons from totally eliminating the inconvenience.

gamergirldk · May 2019

no there have to be some benefits to sub.