Do you want to see crafting bag not be subscription locked?

Cundu_Ertur · May 2019

The available inventory needs to be greatly expanded. Every new motif has a style mat, the jewelry system introduced dozens of new mats. It is impossible to store all of the mats in a bank account.
Adding at least six more levels for bank space purchase would provide a gold sink, and allow non subscribed players a chance at being able to craft, albeit with some inventory management headaches -- but less of a headache than we have now.

grkkll · May 2019

Metafae wrote: »

To be honest, if it wasn't part of the subscription, I'd probably drop the sub.

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GarnetFire17 · May 2019

I never like that they decided to stick this behind an subscription wall. It's one of the few things ZOS has done that gets me to grind my teeth when thinking about it. I don't think it was necessary to resort to inventory extortion to sell subs. The subscription has enough value to justify the price for many people without it. If you want to do the double bank space as sub-only that would be fine by me, but the craftbag is too big a quality of life aspect. It would just make the game immensely better for all if they just let everyone have it and that would be a good thing because you don't want people frustrated and quitting the game because they are constantly having to deal with choosing to make room in the inventory every 30 seconds or leave stuff on the ground they could be picking up and selling later since everything you grab is worth at least some gold. I think it was very bad choice.

mystkldrgnb14_ESO · May 2019

Metafae wrote: »

To be honest, if it wasn't part of the subscription, I'd probably drop the sub.

And this is why it won't happen.

TESO is at least one of the few games where not having a sub isn't particularly game-destroying. You can actually play the game, mostly the way it was designed - without xp nerfs or gold earning nerfs or gold caps or all the other crap other MMOs do to hamper the non-preferred-status/non-sub player.

However, they still have to limit something for non-subbers. They still have to offer incentives to get more people to sub--and as nice as the included crown store points are, as nice as not having to outright purchase most of the DLC to play is - the biggest perk of the subscription is that unlimited craft bag. And they are smart enough to know that - LOL.

If they were to drop that to non-sub status, or even drop it to a one-time purchase - they'd have to change something else (probably several of them) to make subs still equally as attractive over non-subbing. They'd have to change the balance in order to keep the revenue stream.

That's a lot of bullcrap just to offer bigger or unlimited craft bags to non-subs instead.

The main reason a lot of players sub is because of that craft bag and how practical and much easier the inventory game becomes if you have it. That is intended and by design! They aren't about to cut their sub numbers and lose income by taking out the biggest incentive to subscribe.

So no - I'd rather they didn't. I'd rather this game didn't become as restrictive as WoW or SWTOR for the non-subscriber to play, it helps keep the numbers up which helps everyone else playing the game, too. I'd rather they don't change the smartest-best b2p/sub program I've seen in an Western MMO yet. Its the only one I've seen where its not overly punitive to one half and underwhelming 'bonuses' to the other. TESO has the most equal/fair exchange for sub/nonsub I've seen!

mystkldrgnb14_ESO · May 2019

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Do you know how much $$$ ZOS would lose if they do that? It's fair we have to pay for the bag. I'd be doing the same if I were ZOS.

It is insane that you are worried about their revenue, that is the definition of brainwashed fanboism lol. Think about what you are saying, the only revenue you should worry about is your own. They would have to adapt and stop using cheap gimmicks bc customers stopped enabling them. This is insane, everything wrong with mmos lol.

I dont know if this response is trolling...

But no the POSTER is not worried about TESO revenue. But /we/ should be aware of what smart/good business decisions are when we are giving money to a product or saying we want a change in that product. Changing a product that would put it out of business - is a bad change. So while we as players don't "worry" about whether TESO is making enough money to stay in business - if we want the game to stick around in live - we'd better be "aware" of how changes effect that reality.

So what the poster is really saying is, "If Zos did your suggestion they'd lose too much money to stay in business. The game would shut down. You'd have nothing to play." THAT is the poster's "worry" statement.

You do want the business to make enough money to keep the game going, yes? If not - then there's no real point to your suggestion anyway and you're trolling.

But your response already tells me you're either trolling or a 10 year old - to not understand the simple point he, and lots of others in this thread, are making.

So GL with that.

barney2525 · May 2019

Wow. No one is actually voting. Weird.

I guess I'll go with the flow.

Sure! I'd like crafting bag on a free acount.

And I'd like free mount of my choice

And free costumes

And free house of my choice

And free starting gold of one million

And free beer and wings

And free pizza

And......

GarnetFire17 · May 2019

Davor wrote: »

Where is the Other option? Of course I would like to see it not be subscription locked. But if the crafting bag is giving us more content then why not.

Funny I wouldn't pay Zenimax a subscription fee to play ESO, but I have ESO+. I guess what I am saying is we are getting more worth from having a pseudo subscription. Take away the crafting bag, what is going to replace it to keep getting more bang for our buck?

Metafae wrote: »

To be honest, if it wasn't part of the subscription, I'd probably drop the sub.

But is the game even worth playing without the craftbag? It's basically not. Your inventory management is nightmare. You will waste so much time rearrange stuff having to go from mule toon to mule toon which also means you have less slot for characters for actual content playing. The subscription gives enough, you get crowns you get all dlc access, you get discounted items, and gold and xp buffs. Yeah people would not sub since they have accepted the extortion tactics. But the game would overall be better and the populations would grow and more subs would be sold in the long run. People want appreciate the game more and want to support them with a subscription as opposed to being forced to. Believe me it does turn people off from subbing.

GarnetFire17 · May 2019

barney2525 wrote: »

Wow. No one is actually voting. Weird.

I guess I'll go with the flow.

Sure! I'd like crafting bag on a free acount.

And I'd like free mount of my choice

And free costumes

And free house of my choice

And free starting gold of one million

And free beer and wings

And free pizza

And......

ESO is not a free game. You buy a game you expect basic quality of life things that don't ruin the experience unless you pay more on top of it.

Wildberryjack · May 2019

The game is buy to play and there is nothing you can't do without a sub as long as you've bought the content. They encourage subbing by giving perks and that craft bag is the major one. No they should not give it free, it should stay as part of the sub. If you want the bag that bad then just sub. I mean seriously, if you can't spare a lousy $15 (or less depending) a month then you have bigger issues to deal with than worrying over one feature in a game.

Drako_Ei · May 2019

I would cancel my sub, thats the only reason most people got eso+, this game would die

GarnetFire17 · May 2019

Wildberryjack wrote: »

The game is buy to play and there is nothing you can't do without a sub as long as you've bought the content. They encourage subbing by giving perks and that craft bag is the major one. No they should not give it free, it should stay as part of the sub. If you want the bag that bad then just sub. I mean seriously, if you can't spare a lousy $15 (or less depending) a month then you have bigger issues to deal with than worrying over one feature in a game.

Can't spare a lousy $15 dollars a month for a feature that makes the game not suck? I guess you forgot the mandatory subscription thing failed. And with craftbag being sub-only the sub might as well be mandatory. It's that people can't afford its that they don't want to pay for something that should be included.

stevenyaub16_ESO · May 2019

I vote No, even though I'm not currently subbed.

It's the main selling point of ESO+ for longer term players. And a good source of income for the game.

I think it would hurt the game and we would see a drastic drop off in subscription otherwise. And the game is playable without it.

GarnetFire17 · May 2019

stevenyaub16_ESO wrote: »

I vote No, even though I'm not currently subbed.

It's the main selling point of ESO+ for longer term players. And a good source of income for the game.

I think it would hurt the game and we would see a drastic drop off in subscription otherwise. And the game is playable without it.

not if you want to have fun

baltic1284 · May 2019

I can see the crafting not being tied into a required subscription mainly cause if they want that money they wouldn't hide behind want this give us all your money. They would fix the game itself and its varied bugs that have been mentioned a million times before, the complaints the player base has with how they are treated in general, PVP players would finally have PVP that actually was fair and worked properly. Be amazed what a company will do for money when it is there income on the line.

Yes money can hire more employees to solve many more problems but throwing more into the issue instead of just focusing on it like all other companies have in the day and put quality way before your wants be amazed how much more money you can make as a company if you stopped being greedy and actually addressed and issues.

Gargath · May 2019

Being a non-subscriber now, I voted "No" only because I understand it's fair to keep it exclusively under ESO+.
I feel that because I don't pay for the game I have no right to expect the same privileges as have the customers who pay.

stevenyaub16_ESO · May 2019

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

stevenyaub16_ESO wrote: »

I vote No, even though I'm not currently subbed.

It's the main selling point of ESO+ for longer term players. And a good source of income for the game.

I think it would hurt the game and we would see a drastic drop off in subscription otherwise. And the game is playable without it.

not if you want to have fun

I have fun. I just sell everything rather than decon (apart from certain types)

Most stuff you keep in craft bag is not worth that much anyway and the ones that do I put on auction.

baltic1284 · May 2019

Gargath wrote: »

Being a non-subscriber now, I voted "No" only because I understand it's fair to keep it exclusively under ESO+.
I feel that because I don't pay for the game I have no right to expect the same privileges as have the customers who pay.

Thing is though letting one thing be available to the rest of player base with out ESO+ isn't going to break there bank account or stop players giving theme money for ESO+. Literally it wont, it is like they are taking that money and fixing the many other more important issues that players have reported and fixing those, but if crown goes down there world ends shut ts the servers down and fixes that faster than a problem they caused. Once they fix reported bugs with that kinda speed and care then we can talk if things should be behind a pay to win wall.

adriant1978 · May 2019

No way. With the "access to all content" thing having died with Chapters, there is precious little reason to sub as it is.

Facefister · May 2019

The CBag is the very reason why I am an ESO+ member. Imo there should be more benefits to ESO+ players than there it is, like not having a queue time or the Skyshards thing.

Kuramas9tails · May 2019

It's the only reason I buy the sub TBH. All the other bonuses don't really matter to me.

vesselwiththepestle · May 2019

I am subbing and I still have inventory management issues.

I wish for two more bags:
- furniture bag
- siege weapon bag (AT LEAST MAKE SIEGE WEAPONS STACK!!!)

I will stop subbing soon, just because I don't want to pay so much money each year to a single video game. I'll just give up on crafting and stop playing three or four of my characters, I hope it will be enough to compensate for the loss of the crafting bag and additional bank space.

With all those regularly added item sets and crafting materials etc. I think ZOS should really increase the inventory and bank space for non-subbing players.

Wrekkedd · May 2019

I don’t understand why, if you don’t have $15 a month to support something you enjoy, you really shouldn’t be sitting at home playing games in the first place.

Heromofo · May 2019

Only reason i sub is the bag the rest of the benifits are nothing to me.

Casul · May 2019

Leave the bag for sub. I used to have it, dropped sub after they stopped free crates. I’ve managed to swap my bank to hold mats. Just takes some patience and ability to not be a hoarder.

Pevey · May 2019

I would definitely stop subbing if not for the craft bag. Surely, I am not the only one. The game would suffer.

idk · May 2019

Metafae wrote: »

To be honest, if it wasn't part of the subscription, I'd probably drop the sub.

I was about to drop my sub and buy the DLCs when the crafting bag was announced. Further, we would probably not have a crafting back at all if it was not for it being an ESO+ perk.

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Metafae wrote: »

To be honest, if it wasn't part of the subscription, I'd probably drop the sub.

That is the problem, pretty much forcing people to sub for inventory management should not be the players problem. It is straight up a scam. They should redo the whole sub platform and take a close look at it. The fact people are cool with it is cancerous to me. Anyone have an actual total mat item count for eso? Or yes they could increase bank space cap, but isn't that what housing was suppose to do?

Not at all. It is a choice as it has always been.

The costs of the DLCs released in one year has always been less than subbing for that year. So the revenue from subbing is higher. That does not even get into many people do not buy all the DLCs, spending even less money.

It was and still is a brilliant business decision on the part of Zos. The fact OP created this thread tells Zos it was a solid choice and they know that people who really want the crafting bag will pay for a subscription as long as they can afford it. Those who cannot afford it can enjoy playing the game at a lower cost.

Davor · May 2019

Malacthulhu wrote: »

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Davor wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Metafae wrote: »

To be honest, if it wasn't part of the subscription, I'd probably drop the sub.

That is the problem, pretty much forcing people to sub for inventory management should not be the players problem. It is straight up a scam. They should redo the whole sub platform and take a close look at it. The fact people are cool with it is cancerous to me. Anyone have an actual total mat item count for eso? Or yes they could increase bank space cap, but isn't that what housing was suppose to do?

I am harsh on Zenimax. I don't like a lot of things they do. Thing is, this is not a scam. How is it a scam? When it was subscription based and you needed to pay the $15 a month, inventory was still the same. When One Tamerial came out, inventory was still the same.

Inventory never decreased. I left ESO for various reasons. One of them was I thought it was a "scam" as well. Well low and behold I have tired other games and ESO was the BEST when it comes to giving inventory AND increasing inventory WITHOUT paying a penny.

So no, it's not a scam.

As for cancerous, really? Is it killing anyone? Is anyone hurt by it? Cancerous, no. I hope that you never have to see what cancer really is. I have seen it 3 times. That should not be taken lightly. At least if you are going to use that word, then have it in proper context.

What you described is not cancerous at all.

As for housing, no that is not what it was suppose to be. It was the player base that assumed it was suppose to be. I expected it as well. Sadly that was never the intent.

Please next time you want to describe something, make sure you are using the proper language. It does seem you don't really know what you are talking about. I should know. I have done the same as you before. I am not perfect, but I have learned.

You can't be taken serious when not using the proper language to explain yourself.

You need to look up what scammed means and how that applies. Seriously, read the definition. Simply starting the game with sub then moving to f2p model and using inventory management to get people to sub on a f2p fits well within the definition.

I said the behavior is cancerous to online game mmos in general much like pre-ordering is to gaming in general. Cancerous to me because the delusion that the player has any stake in the companies revenue. Cancerous is an adopted gaming slang term as in the unhealthy behavior spreads in an unhealthy way getting exponentially worse.

I have already been called a socialist by someone who prob does not even know what it means. Accused of basically being bad at economics or do not know how business works bc everyone on the eso forum is a expert lol.

I am not saying what Zenimax is doing is good or bad, just saying the terminology you are using is not correct. While Zenimax is trying to get people to buy ESO+, it's nothing more than what other companies, stores, do. It's like buying a car and then getting more out of it.

Like say buying a car but doesn't include tires, and you need to buy tires from where you bought it from, yes that would be a scam.

But reducing inventory space so people will buy the upgrade packs in other games is not a scam. I don't like that practice but we know what we are getting into. Saying scammed is basically saying we don't know what we are buying or we expect on thing when buying and received something different when we receive it.

I guess it can be said part of the online MMO in games is having a specific amount of storage in game. I guess same goes for the other The Elder Scrolls and Fallout games. In those games we can increase or carrying/stash size just like we can do in ESO. Yes ESO has also a payment option. Zenimax actually gives lots of storage.

So I don't see where Zenimax is scamming us. It is optional. So no scamming there. Zenimax already gives us good ways to free up our inventory. No scam there. Zenimax hasn't decreased storage space at all in order to sell more storage space. So again, no scam.

I guess next time I go to Mc Donalds and they ask me if I want to large size it, I guess I better not, since that would be a scam as well. Why should I have to pay for a bigger cup and box for fries?

mann9753b16_ESO · May 2019

Maybe not the same bag you get for sub, after all, its one of the biggest selling factors, but I would like a crafting bag that you can buy just like your normal bag, maybe with 10-50 slots or whatever...

Davor · May 2019

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

I never like that they decided to stick this behind an subscription wall. It's one of the few things ZOS has done that gets me to grind my teeth when thinking about it. I don't think it was necessary to resort to inventory extortion to sell subs. The subscription has enough value to justify the price for many people without it. If you want to do the double bank space as sub-only that would be fine by me, but the craftbag is too big a quality of life aspect. It would just make the game immensely better for all if they just let everyone have it and that would be a good thing because you don't want people frustrated and quitting the game because they are constantly having to deal with choosing to make room in the inventory every 30 seconds or leave stuff on the ground they could be picking up and selling later since everything you grab is worth at least some gold. I think it was very bad choice.

Extortion? Really? How did you ever play before the craft bag was introduced?

IzzyStardust · May 2019

Just pay ya dues.