Yes
That way I can stop my sub (and cease paying ever lazier EU hamsters)_

YaYaPineapple wrote: »

Of course those who sub will vote that it should be locked and those who don't sub will vote it should be free. What a silly question.

I think the entire game should be subscription locked.

15-20 years ago, Ultima Online cost around $70 to buy, then you had to subscribe at around $14 per month to play. ESO is easily 100 times the game that UO was.

Certain people will always want more more more and never want to pay for it.

The entire game WAS subscription locked in 2014. ZOS made the decision to introduce a B2P + DLC model with Tamriel: Unlimited. Players should not be punished for ZOS' bad decision. As a result, arguments about the crafting bag will come up in the forums over and over until this issue is resolved.

By the way, subscribers got screwed, too, when ZOS introduced the "Chapter" scam. Players thought they were going to be able to rent the whole game for eternity for the low price of $15/month, now they find out they have to buy DLC, too. DLC purchasers just shrugged when the chapters came out, because they are just another DLC in disguise, but many subscribers are (rightfully) furious.

I do, in fact, pay the ESO+ subscription, but because I need the extra bank space, not the crafting bag. I bitterly resent every single Crown I ever wasted on DLC dungeons and zones, which I would have spent on cool stuff like mounts and houses if I had known I was going to be FORCED back on the sub because of inventory issues. ZOS needs to accept responsibility for their mistakes and offer the extra inventory slots in the Crown Store and then make the Chapters part of ESO+.

I feel this survey is missing a "the whole game should be sub only and nuke the crown store from orbit for good measure" option.

Then again, I think all surveys are missing that option.

NO :clap: DISRUPTION ::clap: OR :clap: INNOVATION clap: JUST :clap: DARGONS :clap:

Emma_Overload wrote: »

The entire game WAS subscription locked in 2014. ZOS made the decision to introduce a B2P + DLC model with Tamriel: Unlimited. Players should not be punished for ZOS' bad decision. As a result, arguments about the crafting bag will come up in the forums over and over until this issue is resolved.

By the way, subscribers got screwed, too, when ZOS introduced the "Chapter" scam. Players thought they were going to be able to rent the whole game for eternity for the low price of $15/month, now they find out they have to buy DLC, too. DLC purchasers just shrugged when the chapters came out, because they are just another DLC in disguise, but many subscribers are (rightfully) furious.

I do, in fact, pay the ESO+ subscription, but because I need the extra bank space, not the crafting bag. I bitterly resent every single Crown I ever wasted on DLC dungeons and zones, which I would have spent on cool stuff like mounts and houses if I had known I was going to be FORCED back on the sub because of inventory issues. ZOS needs to accept responsibility of their mistakes and offer the extra inventory slots in the Crown Store and then make the Chapters part of ESO+.

I agree with a lot of your points there. When I said I think the entire game should be subscription locked, I mean just that. The whole game, with max bank & inv space etc all included. No need to try to squeeze nickel & dime when everyone is paying. Expansions (Summerset for example) costing extra is pretty standard, but I'd do away with all of this DLC/pay for a dungeon nonsense. The problem with the sub/non-sub model is that subscribers get limited based on what is offered to non-subs. I think things would be better if they just offered a free trial period for a month or two, then requiring a sub.

Edited for typo

I voted yes but it will never happen. Too many people would stop paying for ESO+ and Zos would end up losing a huge chunk of income.

Metafae wrote: »

To be honest, if it wasn't part of the subscription, I'd probably drop the sub.

I would 100% not sub. I only sub for inventory management. That means I sub for crafting bag and double bank. I like the double transmute stones too, but I can just use those quicker if I have to.

I have 32k crowns already that I don't use for anything, so the crowns in the sub are worth nothing to me. I own all DLC except CWC and the dungeons. The buffs are negligible. More CP gives me nothing as I am at 886. 14/15 characters are already max level and I have no shortage of XP scrolls from daily rewards and free crates for when I level my last alt (lvl 20) and my future necromancers I don't do housing.

I would happily use those crowns for a crafting bag. Thing is, I feel like that is too cheap for a crafting bag considering the number of subs they would lose.

Only reason I sub tbh. The crowns are ok but I find it hard to find things to buy I want as are typically locked away in a random crate. I could not manage my crafting materials without it. I would prefer not to pay for the convenience but there is no way this would ever change. I have accepted the inevitable.

I have been subscribed for while because I want to support them tho the lag can get annoying I love what they are doing with eso. As for the crafting bag I didn’t vote because I think it’s wrong it being locked behind a subscription but I understand why they do it and they give everyone a free trial every now and again to.

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Davor wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Metafae wrote: »

To be honest, if it wasn't part of the subscription, I'd probably drop the sub.

That is the problem, pretty much forcing people to sub for inventory management should not be the players problem. It is straight up a scam. They should redo the whole sub platform and take a close look at it. The fact people are cool with it is cancerous to me. Anyone have an actual total mat item count for eso? Or yes they could increase bank space cap, but isn't that what housing was suppose to do?

I am harsh on Zenimax. I don't like a lot of things they do. Thing is, this is not a scam. How is it a scam? When it was subscription based and you needed to pay the $15 a month, inventory was still the same. When One Tamerial came out, inventory was still the same.

Inventory never decreased. I left ESO for various reasons. One of them was I thought it was a "scam" as well. Well low and behold I have tired other games and ESO was the BEST when it comes to giving inventory AND increasing inventory WITHOUT paying a penny.

So no, it's not a scam.

As for cancerous, really? Is it killing anyone? Is anyone hurt by it? Cancerous, no. I hope that you never have to see what cancer really is. I have seen it 3 times. That should not be taken lightly. At least if you are going to use that word, then have it in proper context.

What you described is not cancerous at all.

As for housing, no that is not what it was suppose to be. It was the player base that assumed it was suppose to be. I expected it as well. Sadly that was never the intent.

Please next time you want to describe something, make sure you are using the proper language. It does seem you don't really know what you are talking about. I should know. I have done the same as you before. I am not perfect, but I have learned.

You can't be taken serious when not using the proper language to explain yourself.

You need to look up what scammed means and how that applies. Seriously, read the definition. Simply starting the game with sub then moving to f2p model and using inventory management to get people to sub on a f2p fits well within the definition.

I said the behavior is cancerous to online game mmos in general much like pre-ordering is to gaming in general. Cancerous to me because the delusion that the player has any stake in the companies revenue. Cancerous is an adopted gaming slang term as in the unhealthy behavior spreads in an unhealthy way getting exponentially worse.

I have already been called a socialist by someone who prob does not even know what it means. Accused of basically being bad at economics or do not know how business works bc everyone on the eso forum is a expert lol.

I voted no.

Like it or not, ZOS is a business. And not all the money they make is for giving back to us in the form of developmet of the game.

A lot of it is to buy big houses, flash cars and three week holidays to Australia. All things that have no benefit to us as customers.

Ask yourself, would you be happy if your wages were expected to be reserved solely for expanding the labour you do? No. You want to make money so you can buy a nice house, get a decent car, and go on a fun holiday every year.

Yet, the community seems to forget that the guys at ZOS are human too. They have lives outside the game, believe it or not. They make the money to fund those lives by selling a product to us. Understand, that when you buy anything in this game, it is not an investment. That money you spend ceases to be yours when you click that buy button. And it becomes the property of ZOS, to do with as they please, including buying things that have nothing to do with the game.

That's just how the Western world works. At least in the West, we have the freedom to try and do the same with our own business ventures.

So, ZOS has my full support in their ESO+ product. At present I'm quite happy with the price and the service it opens up to me. I'm happy for the ZOS employee who can now get a nice holiday because of my decision to purchase a product. His work paid off, and I have something to look forward to logging into every day.

ZOS needs to make money to continue this games existence. One of the ways they make that money is via subscriptions. There needs to be a good reason to subscribe in order for people to be willing to pay the monthly cost. The Craft bag, among other things, is how they make it worth the cost.

Keep in mind that many mmo's dont even let you play them at all without a subscription. (they all used to be that way in fact)

Wavek wrote: »

ZOS needs to make money to continue this games existence. One of the ways they make that money is via subscriptions. There needs to be a good reason to subscribe in order for people to be willing to pay the monthly cost. The Craft bag, among other things, is how they make it worth the cost.

Keep in mind that many mmo's dont even let you play them at all without a subscription. (they all used to be that way in fact)

Hell, ESO itself used to be that way!

The craft bag is the only useful part of eso+ for me, a long term player approaching the end of my active time with the game.

That said, I gave it up last year. Zos created the storage problem in order to sell the solution. That wouldn't be viewed positively in any other context.