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In your marvelous opinion what's the most difficult role to play? [Tank vs Healer]
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DPS is at least 5x as hard to do at a top 1% level than tanking and healing I don't think you can possibly argue against that. Obviously any person can arrow spray.
Healing is to an extend easier than tanking, but this has something to do with the ceiling. I don't think anyone would argue main tanking Olms is hard, at the same time some stacks i vMoL can be very tricky.
Have you healed or tanked at the top 1%? That would mean you have cleared all vet HM trials including vAS+2 and vCR+3 as a tank or healer.
I think most in this thread stating that DPS is so much harder than healing or tanking are judging based on experience with less challenging content which is not challenging for any role.6 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭DPS is at least 5x as hard to do at a top 1% level than tanking and healing I don't think you can possibly argue against that. Obviously any person can arrow spray.
Healing is to an extend easier than tanking, but this has something to do with the ceiling. I don't think anyone would argue main tanking Olms is hard, at the same time some stacks i vMoL can be very tricky.
Have you healed or tanked at the top 1%? That would mean you have cleared all vet HM trials including vAS+2 and vCR+3 as a tank or healer.
I think most in this thread stating that DPS is so much harder than healing or tanking are judging based on experience with less challenging content which is not challenging for any role.
So end game is challenging only for tank and healer ?
And since when 1% is leading in any statistic2 -
Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭HealerI was thinking about it, sure most healers are made of paper and need to stay behind, and also making sure everyone are ''healthier'' but God... Tanks do a lot of the work taunting all enemies and SURVIVING THAT
But in your opinion what do you think, and if you want post a funny story that happened with playing the Role
I would said it's subjective and depend of the person who play.
- DPS : Are rotation intensive and not all can keep a constant good damage output in long run with heavy mechanic.
- Tank : Very mechanic intensive, have to lead in most trial and anticipate/learn all boss pattern, tank dead pretty much = wipe.
- Healer : You need good memories and reflex. If you can remember and anticipate where all your allie AND enemies are and don't react fast enough to anticipate bad dps position or heavy damaging boss phase it can lead to a wipe too.
I'm always good with healer, doesn't matter the game, I'll learn fast and be effective.
Because it what I love, I play this role since 20years.
I can play tank and dps but I'll not even close to be the best. Can be a decent tank in certain situation, but not at dps cuz I just don't love it so I don't really wanna try hard on them.
Difficulty is mostly about people feeling that why I said subjective ^^Edited by Aznarb on May 2, 2019 4:26PM[ PC EU ]
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[ Khajiit ]
[ Templar - Healer ]
[Crazy Gatherer & Compulsive Thief]2 -
jlmurra2✭✭✭✭✭TankI voted tank, though of course without a good healer, and DPS all rolls become much more difficult.2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »DPS is at least 5x as hard to do at a top 1% level than tanking and healing I don't think you can possibly argue against that. Obviously any person can arrow spray.
Healing is to an extend easier than tanking, but this has something to do with the ceiling. I don't think anyone would argue main tanking Olms is hard, at the same time some stacks i vMoL can be very tricky.
Have you healed or tanked at the top 1%? That would mean you have cleared all vet HM trials including vAS+2 and vCR+3 as a tank or healer.
I think most in this thread stating that DPS is so much harder than healing or tanking are judging based on experience with less challenging content which is not challenging for any role.
So end game is challenging only for tank and healer ?
And since when 1% is leading in any statistic
I suggest you read what you quoted again. To suggest I am saying that would be nothing less than putting words in my mouth. At no point did I belittle the work of DPS and it is pathetic so suggest I did.
It takes much dedication to be in the top 1% of dps, which is what the person I quoted was stating. They suggest tanking and healing at that level is fairly easy since they say DPS is 5x more challenging than either of the support roles.
My comment was mostly calling into question their experience. I question if they have cleared all trials on the most challenging settings let along healed or tanked them to have a basis for their judgement.
I seriously doubt any dps in a competitive raiding group (which is what they were actually speaking to) thinks their healers and tanks have it easy. Especially since most healers and tanks cannot handle the job well.Edited by idk on May 2, 2019 4:43PM4 -
worrallj✭✭✭✭✭One thing people haven't been discussing is that at the top top level, from what I hear, tanks and healers actually are supposed to only commit to the tanking & healing just enough to keep the group alive and are expected to actively contribute to dps, mainly through buffs/debuffs.1 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭HealerI would have chosen both, but I chose "Healer"
Mainly because, as a healer, you need to fill 2 rolls as both healer of idiots who refuse to get out of the red and then get mad at you for concentrating on your tank (who actually needs to keep buffed and well in order to have everybody else do their rolls) AND be main DPS dealer because most DPS are, again, idiots who couldn't find their butt from a pile of bananas and can't even make an effort to attempt to keep themselves alive.
On the flip side, "Tank" as, while you can reliably fill your roll and keep yourself buffed, you are also being required to try to keep the main mob occupied while your DPSers are getting themselves killed by everything else because they refuse to stay out of the red, have viable DPS and/or keep attacking pointless mini-mobs all while complaining that the healer doesn't keep them constantly buffed and healed, or you've got a healer who doesn't have a clue and won't help keep you buffed and healthy enough to actually keep the attention of the main mobs AND still needing to be the main DPS dealer because the other idiots haven't a clue what they're doing, aren't really DPSing anything and are constantly getting themselves killed by stuff that a novice could take down.
JMHO though.0 -
Camb0Sl1ce✭✭✭Hard to say between tank and healer, ive never healed tried it just wasnt my thing. As for tanking speaking of just trials, ive done the vet crag hardmodes and the dlc trials except for vcr, I main damage dealers 50k+ and i find if youre completing hard mode trials then dps is pretty easy because at that point your rotation is muscle memory you really dont have to think about it, just be aware and follow mechanics. Tanking for me feels more demanding, buffing, debuffing, awareness of your surroundings and mechanics, knowledge of each pull, and stacking ads with line of sight, etc.0
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Ectheliontnacil✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »DPS is at least 5x as hard to do at a top 1% level than tanking and healing I don't think you can possibly argue against that. Obviously any person can arrow spray.
Healing is to an extend easier than tanking, but this has something to do with the ceiling. I don't think anyone would argue main tanking Olms is hard, at the same time some stacks i vMoL can be very tricky.
Have you healed or tanked at the top 1%? That would mean you have cleared all vet HM trials including vAS+2 and vCR+3 as a tank or healer.
I think most in this thread stating that DPS is so much harder than healing or tanking are judging based on experience with less challenging content which is not challenging for any role.
So end game is challenging only for tank and healer ?
And since when 1% is leading in any statistic
I suggest you read what you quoted again. To suggest I am saying that would be nothing less than putting words in my mouth. At no point did I belittle the work of DPS and it is pathetic to suggest I did.
People need to chill.
All roles are important and all roles are hard to play competitively. ^^2 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭HealerEctheliontnacil wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »DPS is at least 5x as hard to do at a top 1% level than tanking and healing I don't think you can possibly argue against that. Obviously any person can arrow spray.
Healing is to an extend easier than tanking, but this has something to do with the ceiling. I don't think anyone would argue main tanking Olms is hard, at the same time some stacks i vMoL can be very tricky.
Have you healed or tanked at the top 1%? That would mean you have cleared all vet HM trials including vAS+2 and vCR+3 as a tank or healer.
I think most in this thread stating that DPS is so much harder than healing or tanking are judging based on experience with less challenging content which is not challenging for any role.
So end game is challenging only for tank and healer ?
And since when 1% is leading in any statistic
I suggest you read what you quoted again. To suggest I am saying that would be nothing less than putting words in my mouth. At no point did I belittle the work of DPS and it is pathetic to suggest I did.
People need to chill.
All roles are important and all roles are hard to play competitively. ^^
I guess I'm lucky that I don't play any roll "competitively".
I have no reason to.
It's a video game "competition" is the last thing on my mind.
Fun is.3 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Healeryou don't have to worry just your life but everyone's. As such you have to react before events even happen. Predicting when allies do stupid is a must so can save them. Then there's getting in position to buff allies. It's a must to watch out for there resources too. Now for self you have to watch out for mechs, adapt to flow of battle, generate ultimate fast enough.
Idk true healing is underestimated.2 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭It varies. Really it does. I’d argue that tank healer vas + is harder than main tank, but I’d also say that vas offtank is harder than group healer, for one example.1 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭The thing about tanking, is that the DPS expect the tank to get all the mobs together, do the interrupts and any mechanics that need to be done. It is frustrating as a tank when we get pinned and NO ONE will bash the boss. Come on DPS, you don't need a shield to bash that boss so we can move again.
That why in trash heavy dungeons, Swarm Mother. So damn good.0 -
Grandma✭✭✭✭✭TankI would argue that being a good dps is harder than both.
maintaining 40k+ dps in a trial setting while paying attention to mechanics is no easy feat. Healers and tanks just have to worry about mechanics, and when in doubt everything is sent our way to be in our favor (we get pads, cleanses, synergies, etc) where the dps just have to tough it out and deal. I get they're expendable and i get why supports are prioritized, im a healer main. I just think DPS should be on the poll.
that being said, most healing is easy. Tanks are the ones who have to worry about mechanics while taking extreme damage and being under high pressure. With healers it's mostly about fixing other people's mistakes and making sure everyone stays as buffed as possible for as long as possible.GH / 3/04/2021 / Elemental Catalyst Necromancer2 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭HealerI would argue that being a good dps is harder than both.
maintaining 40k+ dps in a trial setting while paying attention to mechanics is no easy feat. Healers and tanks just have to worry about mechanics, and when in doubt everything is sent our way to be in our favor (we get pads, cleanses, synergies, etc) where the dps just have to tough it out and deal. I get they're expendable and i get why supports are prioritized, im a healer main. I just think DPS should be on the poll.
that being said, most healing is easy. Tanks are the ones who have to worry about mechanics while taking extreme damage and being under high pressure. With healers it's mostly about fixing other people's mistakes and making sure everyone stays as buffed as possible for as long as possible.
I have never seen anyone under 600 CP do 40K+ dps. Never. Even then, I have no idea how they do it.
I'm at CP68 and the best I can do is still about 12K+ on crit.0 -
rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What is the hardest role to do? Which is harder, PvP or PvE? Which class is most OP/whines the most? Do casuals or dedicated players keep an MMO afloat? Should the Crown Store sell convenience items? .... these are all questions/polls that are guaranteed to lead to arguments and insults."Get off my lawn!"0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »DPS is at least 5x as hard to do at a top 1% level than tanking and healing I don't think you can possibly argue against that. Obviously any person can arrow spray.
Healing is to an extend easier than tanking, but this has something to do with the ceiling. I don't think anyone would argue main tanking Olms is hard, at the same time some stacks i vMoL can be very tricky.
Have you healed or tanked at the top 1%? That would mean you have cleared all vet HM trials including vAS+2 and vCR+3 as a tank or healer.
I think most in this thread stating that DPS is so much harder than healing or tanking are judging based on experience with less challenging content which is not challenging for any role.
So end game is challenging only for tank and healer ?
And since when 1% is leading in any statistic
I suggest you read what you quoted again. To suggest I am saying that would be nothing less than putting words in my mouth. At no point did I belittle the work of DPS and it is pathetic to suggest I did.
People need to chill.
All roles are important and all roles are hard to play competitively. ^^
That is exactly what I was getting to. The person I quoted did some serious putting words in my mouth and had to point out how pathetic that type of response is.
Thx for doubling down on it.0 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Healerrotaugen454 wrote: »What is the hardest role to do? Which is harder, PvP or PvE? Which class is most OP/whines the most? Do casuals or dedicated players keep an MMO afloat? Should the Crown Store sell convenience items? .... these are all questions/polls that are guaranteed to lead to arguments and insults.
You're Wrong!
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rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭rotaugen454 wrote: »What is the hardest role to do? Which is harder, PvP or PvE? Which class is most OP/whines the most? Do casuals or dedicated players keep an MMO afloat? Should the Crown Store sell convenience items? .... these are all questions/polls that are guaranteed to lead to arguments and insults.
You're Wrong!
No I’m not, dum dum! 😀
Alex, I’ll take “Self-Fulfilling Prophesy” for 1000...Edited by rotaugen454 on May 2, 2019 6:28PM"Get off my lawn!"0 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Easy tank = cookie cutter blah standard whatever some nobody streamer decides is "best in slot"
Hard tank = everything else and being original while still being effective; tanking with a class that has poor self-heals; tanking with a class that can't root; tanking with a frost staff only; tanking without a pull ability
Easy healer = cookie cutter blah standard whatever some nobody streamer decides is "best in slot"
Hard healer = everything else and being original while still being effective; healing with class skills only and no restoration staff; being a stamina healer; having heals that all require aiming (aka, no autotarget heals)
It really is relative to how you want to play it.0 -
coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭TankDPS is by far the hardest dungeon role to play, but I'd say second is TankHoping for more playable races0 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭TankEasy tank = cookie cutter blah standard whatever some nobody streamer decides is "best in slot"
Hard tank = everything else and being original while still being effective; tanking with a class that has poor self-heals; tanking with a class that can't root; tanking with a frost staff only; tanking without a pull ability
Easy healer = cookie cutter blah standard whatever some nobody streamer decides is "best in slot"
Hard healer = everything else and being original while still being effective; healing with class skills only and no restoration staff; being a stamina healer; having heals that all require aiming (aka, no autotarget heals)
It really is relative to how you want to play it.
Gimping yourself and your group doesn’t make you “the difficult role”. It makes you a liability2 -
Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
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Where do the majority of the complaint threads originate? Poor DPS or tanks? About the only beef anyone has with tanks are "fake tanks" and they're not really tanks in the first place.
When you read a "vote to kick" thread, they're usually talking about normals or base game vets, with a few vet DLC stories mixed in. If it is that easy, why kick anyone? Or is everyone just really bad and won't put any effort into it? I doubt that that its that, so I tend to think that it's not as intuitive for some as it is for others thus making it more difficult.
At other levels the tanks can't afford to make a mistake without the entire group suffering and I would argue that they have more responsibility than the DPS regardless of the difficulty, but that is likely one of the lesser represented groups. It doesn't surprise me that DPS is a common answer.2 -
ThanatosXR✭✭✭It goes like this in atleast 10% of daily grouping
Group wipes
Dps blames the tank
Dps ragequits
New dps comes and easily competes it
Every single time3 -
ThanatosXR✭✭✭
I got chew out for not being a cookie build
Easy healer = cookie cutter blah standard whatever some nobody streamer decides is "best in slot"
Hard healer = everything else and being original while still being effective; healing with class skills only and no restoration staff; being a stamina healer; having heals that all require aiming (aka, no autotarget heals)
Power management requires restaff thoughout most of the game.
Stamina healing is a joke, other then warden never seen it be effective at group healing
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭HealerThanatosXR wrote: »
I got chew out for not being a cookie build
Easy healer = cookie cutter blah standard whatever some nobody streamer decides is "best in slot"
Hard healer = everything else and being original while still being effective; healing with class skills only and no restoration staff; being a stamina healer; having heals that all require aiming (aka, no autotarget heals)
Power management requires restaff thoughout most of the game.
Stamina healing is a joke, other then warden never seen it be effective at group healing
Agree. I get yelled at regularly.
Funny that they don't seem to mind using my abilities to ease there way through tough content overland though. Funny how a couple of level 600+ers needed me to help fend off 1/2 a dozen Daedroth then dissappeared last night.
Honestly guys, they're not that hard.
I went on fending 'em off for another 1/2 an hour while I put out fires for a side quest.
The secret - hit 'em from behind!0 -
Heelie✭✭✭✭✭Have you healed or tanked at the top 1%? That would mean you have cleared all vet HM trials including vAS+2 and vCR+3 as a tank or healer.
I think most in this thread stating that DPS is so much harder than healing or tanking are judging based on experience with less challenging content which is not challenging for any role.
Yes I Infact did a world record score in almost all trials in the game "as healer", I have the current HoF world record, I have all 3 current no death acheivements on my main character. And also did IR / GH a few times on alts. So i would say that i play among the top 1%
As for my statement I think that doing vCR + 3 and vAS + 2 as a dd is by far harder than doing it as healer or tank. As a tank or healer you have acces to a lot more surviveability, your rotation is not as demanding. Hitting 100% IA uptime is not even close to pulling 55k dps in vAS on a bow bow build while kiting with a poison cone, it simply never will be. I have the upmost respect for my dd's in a trial they are truly playing at a higher ceiling than i ever can in my role. You can ask any player from Hodor or among the top 5 guilds and they will say the same thing.Edited by Heelie on May 2, 2019 9:51PMMost OwOrated healer of all time2 -
Tonnopesce✭✭✭✭✭
✭HealerI play both, Tank is more relaxed, you do your job and everything is fine, most of the time you care only for yourself.
Healing is a mess, expecially if you heal with something that is not a templar.
At the beginning of a dungeon usually i tend to remember that i heal with a warden and to not run like crazy because i dont have the pug carry feature (BOL).
Is just amazing to see how much damage some people can take and how much they can "stand in stupid".Edited by Tonnopesce on May 2, 2019 9:57PMSignature0