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Do champion points increase server load?
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The CP system requires additional calculations to be made by the server. Does the ever increasing variety of CP point builds along with the amount of CP one has further the load the server must take on?
In essence, would we be able to mitigate some lag if CP was not being calculated or is it a minuscule amount of load on the server?
In essence, would we be able to mitigate some lag if CP was not being calculated or is it a minuscule amount of load on the server?
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✭✭The server wouldn't care about the number of calculations as much as what kind. Not to say that quantity doesn't have any effect, but the move away from percent bonuses in racial passives is in part an attempt to simplify what the server is calculating. I imagine if they reworked CP to be flat values instead of percent modifiers we'd see a notable increase in performance."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Zos has stated CP does add to the calculations the server needs to do and that does add to server load. Logically speaking it is a no brainer that the more calculations the server needs to do the more load that is on the server.
However, that is just one part of what Zos has added to the game over the years that adds to the load. Even if Zos reworks CP so it does not add as much to the load you will not notice a significant difference. BTW, Zos is reviewing CP ATM.
Over the yeas Zos has added buffs and debuffs and other things that add to the lag. During all of this they moved most of the client side calculations to the server side to combat the use of CE. This is a big load in and of itself. CP may have been part of this as well.
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✭✭✭✭✭lagg and high ping was present before the CP system, and seems to be just the same as it was after.
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ThanatosXR✭✭✭Placing 300 people in a small area was a really bad design idea from a technical point0
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Lag in beta is irrelevant as it is beta. They are testing stuff so it is fairly irrelevant to how things have been on live.
Now, to what Morgul said, the worst server performance for an MMORPG that was live I have ever experienced was when this game launched.
So Morgul was not correct. The game has improved. However, there was a decline a couple years ago Much related to the comment I made above. Also, some experience more lag than others due to latency and how Zos handles that in ESO vs other games. This issue was increased when Zos moved more calculations server side.1 -
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im not talking about beta,
as i said
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"lagg and high ping was present before the CP system, and seems to be just the same as it was after."
i stand by that opinion.
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im not talking about beta,
as i said
IMO
"lagg and high ping was present before the CP system, and seems to be just the same as it was after."
i stand by that opinion.
You made a comment seemingly belittling what another said becsue it is clear they have been here since 2016 and you have been here since 2013. So what I state concerning that comment is correct. It did seem to be an odd comment since it is expected during official beta testing that server performance is not perfect.
Further, OP is not asking if lag was present before CP or if there were spikes. OP is asking if CP adds to the load, though answers their own question. We know it does. Not only because Zos has told us it adds to the load and lag but it is logical that the more calculations one asks the server to perform the more load that is being put on that server.
I gave an overview of this in my post above and included a synopsis of changes Zos has made to the game, and server calculations that have increased the load over the past couple years.Edited by idk on May 2, 2019 5:07AM4 -
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Lag in beta is irrelevant as it is beta. They are testing stuff so it is fairly irrelevant to how things have been on live.
Now, to what Morgul said, the worst server performance for an MMORPG that was live I have ever experienced was when this game launched.
So Morgul was not correct. The game has improved. However, there was a decline a couple years ago Much related to the comment I made above. Also, some experience more lag than others due to latency and how Zos handles that in ESO vs other games. This issue was increased when Zos moved more calculations server side.
Guys the lag is much worst nowadays for me than pre cp
It gets worst every year and yet cyrodill population is much lower
I lag in every trial
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Lag in beta is irrelevant as it is beta. They are testing stuff so it is fairly irrelevant to how things have been on live.
Now, to what Morgul said, the worst server performance for an MMORPG that was live I have ever experienced was when this game launched.
So Morgul was not correct. The game has improved. However, there was a decline a couple years ago Much related to the comment I made above. Also, some experience more lag than others due to latency and how Zos handles that in ESO vs other games. This issue was increased when Zos moved more calculations server side.
Guys the lag is much worst nowadays for me than pre cp
It gets worst every year and yet cyrodill population is much lower
I lag in every trial
We may disagree on this but i honestly feel this way
Many buffs and debuffs have also been added to the game during this time. Zos also moved many calculations from client side to server side since CP was added to the game.
That is the point of what I was saying if you read my first post above. I have also said, clearly, that CP does in fact add to server lag, but it is far from the sole culprit or a majority of the problem.
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✭lagg and high ping was present before the CP system, and seems to be just the same as it was after.
imo
Don’t know what game you been playing but it’s getting factually worse over time with less players to fit in a campaign. Performance as a whole has gone down tremendously since 2015, to the point prime time pvp can be unplayable.
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Lag in beta is irrelevant as it is beta. They are testing stuff so it is fairly irrelevant to how things have been on live.
Now, to what Morgul said, the worst server performance for an MMORPG that was live I have ever experienced was when this game launched.
So Morgul was not correct. The game has improved. However, there was a decline a couple years ago Much related to the comment I made above. Also, some experience more lag than others due to latency and how Zos handles that in ESO vs other games. This issue was increased when Zos moved more calculations server side.
Guys the lag is much worst nowadays for me than pre cp
It gets worst every year and yet cyrodill population is much lower
I lag in every trial
We may disagree on this but i honestly feel this way
Many buffs and debuffs have also been added to the game during this time. Zos also moved many calculations from client side to server side since CP was added to the game.
That is the point of what I was saying if you read my first post above. I have also said, clearly, that CP does in fact add to server lag, but it is far from the sole culprit or a majority of the problem.
Ok noted
I also think cp impact performance quite a lot, cause for me vivec is much worst than sotha sil when both are pop locked
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Commancho✭✭✭✭✭No, but I can BET that custom outfits and mounts have large impact on performance.3
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✭✭✭✭✭fastolfv_ESO wrote: »zenimax already tested this in cyro and it was proven cp is not lagging anything from the word of zos themselves, so the rumor being passed around about this as fact can stop
Quoted for truth. It's crazy that I had to scroll so far down this thread before someone mentioned this indisputable fact.
ZOS already tested with and without CP and found no significant difference in performance. I really wish "armchair developers" on the forums would quit spreading misinformation about CP!
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Eliahnus✭✭✭✭✭CP (partly) respponsible for lagging is utter nonsense, just part of yet another anti-CP campaign.4
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ThanatosXR✭✭✭No the software design,for example look at all the ports it uses
TCP / UDP Ports 10500 through 13800 ◦ TCP / UDP Ports 24100 through 24131 ◦ TCP / UDP Ports 24500 through 24507 ◦ TCP / UDP Ports 34600 through 34700 ◦ TCP / UDP Ports 49100 through 54000 ◦ TCP / UDP Ports 60300 through 61000
Thats more ports then xbox live/PSN/ any other game combined, thats why I just use IPv6 no nat need to route packets.
Still wondering why they need so many ports?
Dont say because its a mmo, wow only requires 3 plus one range other mmos similar settings.
Most people dont even know how do port or optimalize there routers, hell most still use there isp given dns.
Open world pvp design here is gonna lag no matter what, cant beat the speed of light and players often live on the other side of the world and upside-down! A ton of players sending skill/move comands is gonna be a lagfest on top of the port routing design hence why alot of peoples clients get overhelmed nd logged out, poor xbox one OG/S users never had a fighting chanceEdited by ThanatosXR on May 2, 2019 6:44AM1 -
TriangularChicken✭✭✭✭Don't be ridiculous, it's no secret that CP adds calculations and causes lags/delay. Standing in the base on Vivec EU I get a ping of 180 while standing same spot on Sotha gives me 100. In both scenarios the populations are locked.1
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✭Emma_Overload wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »zenimax already tested this in cyro and it was proven cp is not lagging anything from the word of zos themselves, so the rumor being passed around about this as fact can stop
Quoted for truth. It's crazy that I had to scroll so far down this thread before someone mentioned this indisputable fact.
ZOS already tested with and without CP and found no significant difference in performance. I really wish "armchair developers" on the forums would quit spreading misinformation about CP!
Their testing was to get people to stack up even more , basically promoted zerging during that test. But what’s funny about that is people that play no cp on a regular basis will tell you it’s less lag than in vivec. I haven’t been confident in the data zos gives ever since they said the average pvp player only makes 10k ap in a day.
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ChefZero✭✭✭✭TriangularChicken wrote: »Don't be ridiculous, it's no secret that CP adds calculations and causes lags/delay. Standing in the base on Vivec EU I get a ping of 180 while standing same spot on Sotha gives me 100. In both scenarios the populations are locked.
CPs add calculations but doesn't matter that much. I also play on EU.
It should be no secret that most ballgrp guilds running on Sotha and they cause the real lag.PC EU - DC only0 -
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My guess is that Sota Sill tend to be less crowded and have fewer large zergs.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »zenimax already tested this in cyro and it was proven cp is not lagging anything from the word of zos themselves, so the rumor being passed around about this as fact can stop
Quoted for truth. It's crazy that I had to scroll so far down this thread before someone mentioned this indisputable fact.
ZOS already tested with and without CP and found no significant difference in performance. I really wish "armchair developers" on the forums would quit spreading misinformation about CP!
Their testing was to get people to stack up even more , basically promoted zerging during that test. But what’s funny about that is people that play no cp on a regular basis will tell you it’s less lag than in vivec. I haven’t been confident in the data zos gives ever since they said the average pvp player only makes 10k ap in a day.
Large zergs clashing is the obvious performance killer. Each players has two or more AoE up and this has to be calculated for all players in zerg, they time out and get recast while players move in and out of effects.
Edited by zaria on May 2, 2019 8:34AMGrinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭✭Maybe because they don't want to spend a decent amount of 'cha-ching' on the performance upgrades for the servers. Making it the hallmark standard of quality for all other mmos.
Though I noticed all these events one after the next sure don't help the situation and the scrambled dlcs bring more issues then fun. It would honestly be nice if Zos would just stop concentrating on the next dlc and just take the time to focus on the games performance. Unless it would nerf someones paycheck that is muy importante
Which in that case Cp, aliens, etc will be the scapegoat for the never ending laggggg.Edited by Girl_Number8 on May 2, 2019 10:06AM3 -
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✭Nobody will ever convince me that the CP campaign and No-CP campaigns are even remotely comparable. Fighting a final emp keep battle in Sotha during pop-locked prime time is actually viable and fun. In Vivec it’s not possible (sure you are there, but what commands get processed, or wether your bar will actually swap anytime soon, is a total crap shoot).
The issue is so obvious it makes me believe that people are just giving opinions instead of seeing for themselves, seriously, just go look for yourselves!!!PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.3 -
Billdor✭✭✭✭The CP system requires additional calculations to be made by the server. Does the ever increasing variety of CP point builds along with the amount of CP one has further the load the server must take on?
In essence, would we be able to mitigate some lag if CP was not being calculated or is it a minuscule amount of load on the server?
Do you pull these facts from where the sun doesn't shine??3 -
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He is obviously technically correct however like racial passives CP is pretty constant, buffs and a few proc.The CP system requires additional calculations to be made by the server. Does the ever increasing variety of CP point builds along with the amount of CP one has further the load the server must take on?
In essence, would we be able to mitigate some lag if CP was not being calculated or is it a minuscule amount of load on the server?
Do you pull these facts from where the sun doesn't shine??
Now look other skills and you got all sort of short term buffs of various types who generates way more calculations this multiplies in groups
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
david_m_18b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭The problem is not just CP alone. Its the sum of everything. Your motif known, CP, Skill pts, etc.
If you take an old game like everquest 2 they started to have loading issue when player started to learn over 10 000 craftings formulas.0
