Healing is really high in PvP

Jagdkommando · April 2019

I have 2 friends in game and they are good pvp players. First is magplar and second is warden healing “bot” and i am stamblade with almost 60k dummy dps.

So at first we tested just my pve build aoe attacks on magplar pvp build, i used maelstrom bow hail, caltrops also poison injection and trap. Magplar survived easily. I just didnt try it on warden. I killed him with couple of additional attacks. And now is ridiculous part, my friend warden was pretending a target dummy, not moving, not attacking me, just standing and healing, guys as a pvp player maybe Im not so experienced but believe me in pve im really strong. So doing full rotation with EVERYTHING i couldn't kill him even with not nerfed grim focus. He was just standing as dummy and healing....

I think this is not right guys...

CleymenZero · April 2019

You're trying to kill it using the wrong tools.

Learn, adapt. You won't kill him with a pve rotation, you'll get him with CC's and defile etc.

I hope you didn't use War Machine.

CleymenZero · April 2019

But Warden heals are OP. I'm sure he wasn't even using one trick with the Warden that makes it stupidly strong at self healing.

Jagdkommando · April 2019

CleymenZero wrote: »

You're trying to kill it using the wrong tools.

Learn, adapt. You won't kill him with a pve rotation, you'll get him with CC's and defile etc.

I hope you didn't use War Machine.

I know what you mean mate, but the main point is he survived with only healing that raw absurd amount of damage.

idk · April 2019

CleymenZero wrote: »

You're trying to kill it using the wrong tools.

Learn, adapt. You won't kill him with a pve rotation, you'll get him with CC's and defile etc.

I hope you didn't use War Machine.

This. If you approach PvP like you do PvE it will not work out well.

Jagdkommando · April 2019

Jagdkommando wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

You're trying to kill it using the wrong tools.

Learn, adapt. You won't kill him with a pve rotation, you'll get him with CC's and defile etc.

I hope you didn't use War Machine.

I know what you mean mate, but the main point is he survived with only healing that raw absurd amount of damage.

So even incoming pve high damege is weaker than pvp self healing. This is the main point of the test.

Koolio · April 2019

Jagdkommando wrote: »

Jagdkommando wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

You're trying to kill it using the wrong tools.

Learn, adapt. You won't kill him with a pve rotation, you'll get him with CC's and defile etc.

I hope you didn't use War Machine.

I know what you mean mate, but the main point is he survived with only healing that raw absurd amount of damage.

So even incoming pve high damege is weaker than pvp self healing. This is the main point of the test.

PvP killing is about “windows” of damage. Not DPS.

MSorc and Mplars are the most difficult classes to kill when their window is closed.

Either of these classes can stay one their defense bar and make it extremely hard to kill.

The difference is when they go offensive. After a MSorc does his defense rotation (put heals if any and shields up) they will normally go offense. With good timing each shield will expire and leave a “window open” after about three seconds.

Same with Mplar. Out of all the ones I’ve almost ever seen I know 1 that puts his heals on his front bar.

This means that when they go to their front bar( attacking) they have very little healing.

You need to get their health to 40-60% then CC and kill. Mplar “windows” change very quick. They go from completely open to completely shut faster than most classes.

wheem_ESO · April 2019

Jagdkommando wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

You're trying to kill it using the wrong tools.

Learn, adapt. You won't kill him with a pve rotation, you'll get him with CC's and defile etc.

I hope you didn't use War Machine.

I know what you mean mate, but the main point is he survived with only healing that raw absurd amount of damage.

If one DPS player could "easily" kill a healer, what would be the point of playing a dedicated healer in PvP?

VaranisArano · April 2019

By PVP, did you mean "in a 1v1 duel?"

As a PVP healer in Cyrodiil, if I'm standing in AOE damage, its usually siege weaponry and oil, players firing from the top of a keep, and NPC guards harassing us from behind.

In an organized group with dedicated healers, healing is very strong in that situation.

In a disorganized group or while zergsurfing in that situation, heals are not that good.

Want proof? Watch what happens when someone puts a ram up on a heavily contested front door.

No, that's not a dueling situation - but most of PVP in ESO isn't 1v1 duels.

Iskiab · April 2019

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Jagdkommando wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

You're trying to kill it using the wrong tools.

Learn, adapt. You won't kill him with a pve rotation, you'll get him with CC's and defile etc.

I hope you didn't use War Machine.

I know what you mean mate, but the main point is he survived with only healing that raw absurd amount of damage.

If one DPS player could "easily" kill a healer, what would be the point of playing a dedicated healer in PvP?

Seriously. If one person could kill a healer solo why would someone ever play a healer?

Being able to fend off 1 dps is a pvp healer’s floor. If one dps can kill a healer they need to be more tanky, and that’s against someone who’s proficient in pvp.

GrumpyDuckling · May 2019

Good luck with feedback. You'll get told to use defile, yet people complain about it often. It's a topic that you can't really talk about without getting shouted down or getting L2P comments.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/419045/in-defense-of-major-defile-and-befoul/p1

zyk · May 2019

It's more complicated than just heals, but pretty much everyone who understands ESO mechanics can make a PVP stalemate build. They are extremely common and more common every day. It's generally referred to as the 'tank meta'.

I think everyone with a first person shooter background can't help but to laugh at ESO players because they take dying and winning so seriously on public servers.