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Should grim focus be looked at again?

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    Jhalin wrote: »
    Gilliam is completely out of touch if this bullcrap is what he considered a cohesive class design

    NBs ONLY have damage. They don’t have utility and their defenses are unreliable at best

    Idk about that. They have a lot utility coming next update.
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    Yes. I would like two options when morphing this skill
    Jhalin wrote: »
    Gilliam is completely out of touch if this bullcrap is what he considered a cohesive class design

    NBs ONLY have damage. They don’t have utility and their defenses are unreliable at best

    Ye lol. It was obvious when he was still on YouTube that he had very limited knowledge of nightblades. He was neither good at pvp (see clips) or competed in endgame pve (as far as I know). People recommend him because he was able to perform some high school level maths in his videos and that was perceived as impressive or something.
    I mean I'm sure he brings a lot to the table but nightblade balance is something they should have looked at more carefully.

    As controversial as some of his changes were. Wrobel was actually way better in hindsight. His last year of eso balance was legit good I'd say and he never pushed ridiculous, awkward stuff like the merciless change.
    Edited by Ectheliontnacil on April 28, 2019 9:34AM
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    Tasear wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    Gilliam is completely out of touch if this bullcrap is what he considered a cohesive class design

    NBs ONLY have damage. They don’t have utility and their defenses are unreliable at best

    Idk about that. They have a lot utility coming next update.
    I hope so something needs to change or nb will be a useless class.
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    Yes. I would like two options when morphing this skill
    Jhalin wrote: »
    Gilliam is completely out of touch if this bullcrap is what he considered a cohesive class design

    NBs ONLY have damage. They don’t have utility and their defenses are unreliable at best

    Ye lol. It was obvious when he was still on YouTube that he had very limited knowledge of nightblades. He was neither good at pvp (see clips) or competed in endgame pve (as far as I know). People recommend him because he was able to perform some high school level maths in his videos and that was perceived as impressive or something.
    I mean I'm sure he brings a lot to the table but nightblade balance is something they should have looked at more carefully.

    As controversial as some of his changes were. Wrobel was actually way better in hindsight. His last year of eso balance was legit good I'd say and he never pushed ridiculous, awkward stuff like the merciless change.

    Gilliam is a StamNB main. He is/was one of the best PvErs and theorycrafters for the stamina side of the classes IMO.
  • Jhalin
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    Tasear wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    Gilliam is completely out of touch if this bullcrap is what he considered a cohesive class design

    NBs ONLY have damage. They don’t have utility and their defenses are unreliable at best

    Idk about that. They have a lot utility coming next update.

    Compared to what?

    Necros will apply both major debuffs in a high damage AoE skill.

    Stam Wardens provide Major Fracture in a high damage AoE skill, and let’s not forget they get 11% damage amp just from having netch slotted, plus unconditional sustain using said skill for free.

    Stamplar and Templar healers provide Minor debuffs.

    Healers or anyone with Shock damage provide minor Vulnerability without jumping into melee of a boss (try that in HoF or MoL and see how it goes)

    Magicka Sorcs, Templars, and DKs provide non-ult synergies and buffs to allies via dps skills. NBs can give Savagery only, and both their ult-based synergies are purely for healing.

    Expedition is useless or simply a hindrance in most PvE fights. “Run out of my healing faster” so no healer ever, at least not without a heavy dose of sarcasm.

    If NB doesn’t edge out in dps, there is no reason to take them. All of their buffs are for their own use unless you build specifically to maximize ulti-gen for War Machine spamming. They bring nothing to a group that another class can’t do better.
    Edited by Jhalin on April 28, 2019 10:36AM
  • JinMori
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    No. I’m happy with the changes.
    Grim focus could provide all the buffs in the world but as long as it does not provide minor berserk, then people will still complain.

    With the Monday changes, grim focus will be better than before, you can still get minor berserk, but you will gain a lot of resistances, so honestly just stop, this is getting to the point of being ridiculous.

    And people are calling out gilliam, like, stop, before you get on gilliam level you need to learn a lot of stuff about the game.

    He's actively making nb better, and you still complain, What i would like to see though is 30 seconds on grim focus otherwise mag nb is at a big disadvantage.

    Grim focus useless, gtfo of here with that bs.
    Edited by JinMori on April 28, 2019 11:01AM
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    JinMori wrote: »
    Grim focus could provide all the buffs in the world but as long as it does not provide minor berserk, then people will still complain.

    With the Monday changes, grim focus will be better than before, you can still get minor berserk, but you will gain a lot of resistances, so honestly just stop, this is getting to the point of being ridiculous.

    And people are calling out gilliam, like, stop, before you get on gilliam level you need to learn a lot of stuff about the game.

    He's actively making nb better, and you still complain, What i would like to see though is 30 seconds on grim focus otherwise mag nb is at a big disadvantage.

    Grim focus useless, gtfo of here with that bs.

    He took a purely offensive ability and turned it into defensive ability while removing the primary offense functions. The bow proc is about the same as frags with higher costs and more stringent proc conditions, with even more conditions to make use of the new secondary healing.

    It’s awful design
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    No. I’m happy with the changes.
    Jhalin wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Grim focus could provide all the buffs in the world but as long as it does not provide minor berserk, then people will still complain.

    With the Monday changes, grim focus will be better than before, you can still get minor berserk, but you will gain a lot of resistances, so honestly just stop, this is getting to the point of being ridiculous.

    And people are calling out gilliam, like, stop, before you get on gilliam level you need to learn a lot of stuff about the game.

    He's actively making nb better, and you still complain, What i would like to see though is 30 seconds on grim focus otherwise mag nb is at a big disadvantage.

    Grim focus useless, gtfo of here with that bs.

    He took a purely offensive ability and turned it into defensive ability while removing the primary offense functions. The bow proc is about the same as frags with higher costs and more stringent proc conditions, with even more conditions to make use of the new secondary healing.

    It’s awful design

    WHAT? So a proc that does upwards of 90k damage is not "offensive enough" anymore, are you serious dude?

    Nb doesn't have a dps problem, this resistance is better than a few more dps that you can get elsewhere.

    This ability hardly qualifies as defensive, now it has both offense and defense, it's a good change.

    Just because you don;t agree with the reasoning doesn;t mean it's bad design, this ability now provides a heal at melee, really good *** damage, and a lot of resistances, how exactly is that not good enough in any stretch of the imagination?

    Look, i get it, everyone's primary class is the worst spec, but as a guy who play all specs, i know for a fact that stam nb at the very least still does some of the best damage in the game, and it will definitely still be very good in pvp, and tanking will be better than ever with this change.
    Edited by JinMori on April 28, 2019 11:40AM
  • Jhalin
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    JinMori wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Grim focus could provide all the buffs in the world but as long as it does not provide minor berserk, then people will still complain.

    With the Monday changes, grim focus will be better than before, you can still get minor berserk, but you will gain a lot of resistances, so honestly just stop, this is getting to the point of being ridiculous.

    And people are calling out gilliam, like, stop, before you get on gilliam level you need to learn a lot of stuff about the game.

    He's actively making nb better, and you still complain, What i would like to see though is 30 seconds on grim focus otherwise mag nb is at a big disadvantage.

    Grim focus useless, gtfo of here with that bs.

    He took a purely offensive ability and turned it into defensive ability while removing the primary offense functions. The bow proc is about the same as frags with higher costs and more stringent proc conditions, with even more conditions to make use of the new secondary healing.

    It’s awful design

    WHAT? So a proc that does upwards of 90k damage is not "offensive enough" anymore, are you serious dude?

    Nb doesn't have a dps problem, this resistance is better than a few more dps that you can get elsewhere.

    This ability hardly qualifies as defensive, now it has both offense and defense, it's a good change.

    90k in what world? Tooltips barely put it higher than a proc’d frag, already caculated a few posts up.

    If its only benifit on initial cast is mitigation, it’s a defensive ability. The whopping 4k dps in a perfect scenario does not an offensive ability make.

    The healing is unreliable and the method of stacking mitigation is convoluted for no clear reason.


    The idea of stacking mitigation itself isn’t awful, but it’d be better off on a stand your ground class, or hell, stick it on Path. Expedition is useless and Double Take should keep it what with RAT currently being a better, cheaper, more combat oriented version of Double Take. Go full maneuvering on DT, full utility on Path. Give NB something useful for groups that other classes don’t do far better
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    No. I’m happy with the changes.
    Jhalin wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Grim focus could provide all the buffs in the world but as long as it does not provide minor berserk, then people will still complain.

    With the Monday changes, grim focus will be better than before, you can still get minor berserk, but you will gain a lot of resistances, so honestly just stop, this is getting to the point of being ridiculous.

    And people are calling out gilliam, like, stop, before you get on gilliam level you need to learn a lot of stuff about the game.

    He's actively making nb better, and you still complain, What i would like to see though is 30 seconds on grim focus otherwise mag nb is at a big disadvantage.

    Grim focus useless, gtfo of here with that bs.

    He took a purely offensive ability and turned it into defensive ability while removing the primary offense functions. The bow proc is about the same as frags with higher costs and more stringent proc conditions, with even more conditions to make use of the new secondary healing.

    It’s awful design

    WHAT? So a proc that does upwards of 90k damage is not "offensive enough" anymore, are you serious dude?

    Nb doesn't have a dps problem, this resistance is better than a few more dps that you can get elsewhere.

    This ability hardly qualifies as defensive, now it has both offense and defense, it's a good change.

    90k in what world? Tooltips barely put it higher than a proc’d frag, already caculated a few posts up.

    If its only benifit on initial cast is mitigation, it’s a defensive ability. The whopping 4k dps in a perfect scenario does not an offensive ability make.

    The healing is unreliable and the method of stacking mitigation is convoluted for no clear reason.


    The idea of stacking mitigation itself isn’t awful, but it’d be better off on a stand your ground class, or hell, stick it on Path. Expedition is useless and Double Take should keep it what with RAT currently being a better, cheaper, more combat oriented version of Double Take. Go full maneuvering on DT, full utility on Path. Give NB something useful for groups that other classes don’t do far better

    Yea, you don't know wtf you are talking about,grim focus can hit well over 70k upwards of 100k with bt, in pvp it still hits very hard.

    i won't really bother extending this further seen your lack of knowledge.
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    JinMori wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Grim focus could provide all the buffs in the world but as long as it does not provide minor berserk, then people will still complain.

    With the Monday changes, grim focus will be better than before, you can still get minor berserk, but you will gain a lot of resistances, so honestly just stop, this is getting to the point of being ridiculous.

    And people are calling out gilliam, like, stop, before you get on gilliam level you need to learn a lot of stuff about the game.

    He's actively making nb better, and you still complain, What i would like to see though is 30 seconds on grim focus otherwise mag nb is at a big disadvantage.

    Grim focus useless, gtfo of here with that bs.

    He took a purely offensive ability and turned it into defensive ability while removing the primary offense functions. The bow proc is about the same as frags with higher costs and more stringent proc conditions, with even more conditions to make use of the new secondary healing.

    It’s awful design

    WHAT? So a proc that does upwards of 90k damage is not "offensive enough" anymore, are you serious dude?

    Nb doesn't have a dps problem, this resistance is better than a few more dps that you can get elsewhere.

    This ability hardly qualifies as defensive, now it has both offense and defense, it's a good change.

    90k in what world? Tooltips barely put it higher than a proc’d frag, already caculated a few posts up.

    If its only benifit on initial cast is mitigation, it’s a defensive ability. The whopping 4k dps in a perfect scenario does not an offensive ability make.

    The healing is unreliable and the method of stacking mitigation is convoluted for no clear reason.


    The idea of stacking mitigation itself isn’t awful, but it’d be better off on a stand your ground class, or hell, stick it on Path. Expedition is useless and Double Take should keep it what with RAT currently being a better, cheaper, more combat oriented version of Double Take. Go full maneuvering on DT, full utility on Path. Give NB something useful for groups that other classes don’t do far better

    Yea, you don't know wtf you are talking about,grim focus can hit well over 70k upwards of 100k with bt, in pvp it still hits very hard.

    i won't really bother extending this further seen your lack of knowledge.

    And you seem to lack anything but complete exaggerations

    If you can find a video with a single solitary hit of 90k+ from a Bow proc in it (that isn’t on bugged dummies), then by all means post it. As it stands, you’re talking out your ear trying to justify an out-of-nowhere change that turned a pure offense ability into a mitigation tool with unfitting, unreliable healing stuck onto it
  • JinMori
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    No. I’m happy with the changes.
    Jhalin wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Grim focus could provide all the buffs in the world but as long as it does not provide minor berserk, then people will still complain.

    With the Monday changes, grim focus will be better than before, you can still get minor berserk, but you will gain a lot of resistances, so honestly just stop, this is getting to the point of being ridiculous.

    And people are calling out gilliam, like, stop, before you get on gilliam level you need to learn a lot of stuff about the game.

    He's actively making nb better, and you still complain, What i would like to see though is 30 seconds on grim focus otherwise mag nb is at a big disadvantage.

    Grim focus useless, gtfo of here with that bs.

    He took a purely offensive ability and turned it into defensive ability while removing the primary offense functions. The bow proc is about the same as frags with higher costs and more stringent proc conditions, with even more conditions to make use of the new secondary healing.

    It’s awful design

    WHAT? So a proc that does upwards of 90k damage is not "offensive enough" anymore, are you serious dude?

    Nb doesn't have a dps problem, this resistance is better than a few more dps that you can get elsewhere.

    This ability hardly qualifies as defensive, now it has both offense and defense, it's a good change.

    90k in what world? Tooltips barely put it higher than a proc’d frag, already caculated a few posts up.

    If its only benifit on initial cast is mitigation, it’s a defensive ability. The whopping 4k dps in a perfect scenario does not an offensive ability make.

    The healing is unreliable and the method of stacking mitigation is convoluted for no clear reason.


    The idea of stacking mitigation itself isn’t awful, but it’d be better off on a stand your ground class, or hell, stick it on Path. Expedition is useless and Double Take should keep it what with RAT currently being a better, cheaper, more combat oriented version of Double Take. Go full maneuvering on DT, full utility on Path. Give NB something useful for groups that other classes don’t do far better

    Yea, you don't know wtf you are talking about,grim focus can hit well over 70k upwards of 100k with bt, in pvp it still hits very hard.

    i won't really bother extending this further seen your lack of knowledge.

    And you seem to lack anything but complete exaggerations

    If you can find a video with a single solitary hit of 90k+ from a Bow proc in it (that isn’t on bugged dummies), then by all means post it. As it stands, you’re talking out your ear trying to justify an out-of-nowhere change that turned a pure offense ability into a mitigation tool with unfitting, unreliable healing stuck onto it

    The dummies actually lack alkosh and crusher infused, they bug also only applied for fire damage, and pets on the first week, so again you don;t know... wtf you are talking about.

    You would get even more damage if the dummies were not bugged currently.

    But it doesn't really matter, because you are already set in your ways, so that's it.

    Edited by JinMori on April 28, 2019 12:05PM
  • Jhalin
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    JinMori wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Grim focus could provide all the buffs in the world but as long as it does not provide minor berserk, then people will still complain.

    With the Monday changes, grim focus will be better than before, you can still get minor berserk, but you will gain a lot of resistances, so honestly just stop, this is getting to the point of being ridiculous.

    And people are calling out gilliam, like, stop, before you get on gilliam level you need to learn a lot of stuff about the game.

    He's actively making nb better, and you still complain, What i would like to see though is 30 seconds on grim focus otherwise mag nb is at a big disadvantage.

    Grim focus useless, gtfo of here with that bs.

    He took a purely offensive ability and turned it into defensive ability while removing the primary offense functions. The bow proc is about the same as frags with higher costs and more stringent proc conditions, with even more conditions to make use of the new secondary healing.

    It’s awful design

    WHAT? So a proc that does upwards of 90k damage is not "offensive enough" anymore, are you serious dude?

    Nb doesn't have a dps problem, this resistance is better than a few more dps that you can get elsewhere.

    This ability hardly qualifies as defensive, now it has both offense and defense, it's a good change.

    90k in what world? Tooltips barely put it higher than a proc’d frag, already caculated a few posts up.

    If its only benifit on initial cast is mitigation, it’s a defensive ability. The whopping 4k dps in a perfect scenario does not an offensive ability make.

    The healing is unreliable and the method of stacking mitigation is convoluted for no clear reason.


    The idea of stacking mitigation itself isn’t awful, but it’d be better off on a stand your ground class, or hell, stick it on Path. Expedition is useless and Double Take should keep it what with RAT currently being a better, cheaper, more combat oriented version of Double Take. Go full maneuvering on DT, full utility on Path. Give NB something useful for groups that other classes don’t do far better

    Yea, you don't know wtf you are talking about,grim focus can hit well over 70k upwards of 100k with bt, in pvp it still hits very hard.

    i won't really bother extending this further seen your lack of knowledge.

    And you seem to lack anything but complete exaggerations

    If you can find a video with a single solitary hit of 90k+ from a Bow proc in it (that isn’t on bugged dummies), then by all means post it. As it stands, you’re talking out your ear trying to justify an out-of-nowhere change that turned a pure offense ability into a mitigation tool with unfitting, unreliable healing stuck onto it

    The dummies actually lack alkosh and crusher infused, they bug also only applied for fire damage, and pets on the first week, so again you don;t know... wtf you are talking about.

    You would get even more damage if the dummies were not bugged currently.

    So that’s a no then? You don’t have any evidence of these 90k bow shots
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    No. I’m happy with the changes.
    Jhalin wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
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    Jhalin wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Grim focus could provide all the buffs in the world but as long as it does not provide minor berserk, then people will still complain.

    With the Monday changes, grim focus will be better than before, you can still get minor berserk, but you will gain a lot of resistances, so honestly just stop, this is getting to the point of being ridiculous.

    And people are calling out gilliam, like, stop, before you get on gilliam level you need to learn a lot of stuff about the game.

    He's actively making nb better, and you still complain, What i would like to see though is 30 seconds on grim focus otherwise mag nb is at a big disadvantage.

    Grim focus useless, gtfo of here with that bs.

    He took a purely offensive ability and turned it into defensive ability while removing the primary offense functions. The bow proc is about the same as frags with higher costs and more stringent proc conditions, with even more conditions to make use of the new secondary healing.

    It’s awful design

    WHAT? So a proc that does upwards of 90k damage is not "offensive enough" anymore, are you serious dude?

    Nb doesn't have a dps problem, this resistance is better than a few more dps that you can get elsewhere.

    This ability hardly qualifies as defensive, now it has both offense and defense, it's a good change.

    90k in what world? Tooltips barely put it higher than a proc’d frag, already caculated a few posts up.

    If its only benifit on initial cast is mitigation, it’s a defensive ability. The whopping 4k dps in a perfect scenario does not an offensive ability make.

    The healing is unreliable and the method of stacking mitigation is convoluted for no clear reason.


    The idea of stacking mitigation itself isn’t awful, but it’d be better off on a stand your ground class, or hell, stick it on Path. Expedition is useless and Double Take should keep it what with RAT currently being a better, cheaper, more combat oriented version of Double Take. Go full maneuvering on DT, full utility on Path. Give NB something useful for groups that other classes don’t do far better

    Yea, you don't know wtf you are talking about,grim focus can hit well over 70k upwards of 100k with bt, in pvp it still hits very hard.

    i won't really bother extending this further seen your lack of knowledge.

    And you seem to lack anything but complete exaggerations

    If you can find a video with a single solitary hit of 90k+ from a Bow proc in it (that isn’t on bugged dummies), then by all means post it. As it stands, you’re talking out your ear trying to justify an out-of-nowhere change that turned a pure offense ability into a mitigation tool with unfitting, unreliable healing stuck onto it

    The dummies actually lack alkosh and crusher infused, they bug also only applied for fire damage, and pets on the first week, so again you don;t know... wtf you are talking about.

    You would get even more damage if the dummies were not bugged currently.

    So that’s a no then? You don’t have any evidence of these 90k bow shots

    You want your evidence?

    Fine, here it is.

    https://imgur.com/a/CiUHc3M

    And this isn't even the upper limit of dps for nb, you could do much more.

    Remove about 8 to 9k from killer's blade max hit and you have your max hit for focus, which is well over 90k, i just didn't use it during execute.

    Yea, that 82k which you can get reliably is pre execute with bloodthirsty, let that sink into your brain.

    It actually does even more than what i originally said.

    It's clearly a garbage ability at this point, not worth slotting even in pve, yea, sure, but actual facts don;t matter, what matters is muh minor berserk, even though Monday this ability will be better than ever, providing good, wait let me rephrase that....top tier damage, along with a melee heal and resistances.

    But for the average forum man, the actual facts doesn't really matter, which is why we see so many misinformed, or outright lies in many posts.
    Edited by JinMori on April 28, 2019 12:26PM
  • Jhalin
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    JinMori wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
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    Grim focus could provide all the buffs in the world but as long as it does not provide minor berserk, then people will still complain.

    With the Monday changes, grim focus will be better than before, you can still get minor berserk, but you will gain a lot of resistances, so honestly just stop, this is getting to the point of being ridiculous.

    And people are calling out gilliam, like, stop, before you get on gilliam level you need to learn a lot of stuff about the game.

    He's actively making nb better, and you still complain, What i would like to see though is 30 seconds on grim focus otherwise mag nb is at a big disadvantage.

    Grim focus useless, gtfo of here with that bs.

    He took a purely offensive ability and turned it into defensive ability while removing the primary offense functions. The bow proc is about the same as frags with higher costs and more stringent proc conditions, with even more conditions to make use of the new secondary healing.

    It’s awful design

    WHAT? So a proc that does upwards of 90k damage is not "offensive enough" anymore, are you serious dude?

    Nb doesn't have a dps problem, this resistance is better than a few more dps that you can get elsewhere.

    This ability hardly qualifies as defensive, now it has both offense and defense, it's a good change.

    90k in what world? Tooltips barely put it higher than a proc’d frag, already caculated a few posts up.

    If its only benifit on initial cast is mitigation, it’s a defensive ability. The whopping 4k dps in a perfect scenario does not an offensive ability make.

    The healing is unreliable and the method of stacking mitigation is convoluted for no clear reason.


    The idea of stacking mitigation itself isn’t awful, but it’d be better off on a stand your ground class, or hell, stick it on Path. Expedition is useless and Double Take should keep it what with RAT currently being a better, cheaper, more combat oriented version of Double Take. Go full maneuvering on DT, full utility on Path. Give NB something useful for groups that other classes don’t do far better

    Yea, you don't know wtf you are talking about,grim focus can hit well over 70k upwards of 100k with bt, in pvp it still hits very hard.

    i won't really bother extending this further seen your lack of knowledge.

    And you seem to lack anything but complete exaggerations

    If you can find a video with a single solitary hit of 90k+ from a Bow proc in it (that isn’t on bugged dummies), then by all means post it. As it stands, you’re talking out your ear trying to justify an out-of-nowhere change that turned a pure offense ability into a mitigation tool with unfitting, unreliable healing stuck onto it

    The dummies actually lack alkosh and crusher infused, they bug also only applied for fire damage, and pets on the first week, so again you don;t know... wtf you are talking about.

    You would get even more damage if the dummies were not bugged currently.

    So that’s a no then? You don’t have any evidence of these 90k bow shots

    You want your evidence?

    Fine, here it is.

    https://imgur.com/a/CiUHc3M

    And this isn't even the upper limit of dps for nb, you could do much more.

    Remove about 8 to 9k from killer's blade max hit and you have your max hit for focus, which is well over 90k, i just didn't use it during execute.

    Well I suppose I stand corrected when every buff in the game has 100% uptime, which is heavily questionable in its own right. I sense other classes would have much the same overblown tooltip/damage discrepancies in those scenarios, of course I’ll go look for the Sorc parses myself.
  • JinMori
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    No. I’m happy with the changes.
    Jhalin wrote: »
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    Grim focus could provide all the buffs in the world but as long as it does not provide minor berserk, then people will still complain.

    With the Monday changes, grim focus will be better than before, you can still get minor berserk, but you will gain a lot of resistances, so honestly just stop, this is getting to the point of being ridiculous.

    And people are calling out gilliam, like, stop, before you get on gilliam level you need to learn a lot of stuff about the game.

    He's actively making nb better, and you still complain, What i would like to see though is 30 seconds on grim focus otherwise mag nb is at a big disadvantage.

    Grim focus useless, gtfo of here with that bs.

    He took a purely offensive ability and turned it into defensive ability while removing the primary offense functions. The bow proc is about the same as frags with higher costs and more stringent proc conditions, with even more conditions to make use of the new secondary healing.

    It’s awful design

    WHAT? So a proc that does upwards of 90k damage is not "offensive enough" anymore, are you serious dude?

    Nb doesn't have a dps problem, this resistance is better than a few more dps that you can get elsewhere.

    This ability hardly qualifies as defensive, now it has both offense and defense, it's a good change.

    90k in what world? Tooltips barely put it higher than a proc’d frag, already caculated a few posts up.

    If its only benifit on initial cast is mitigation, it’s a defensive ability. The whopping 4k dps in a perfect scenario does not an offensive ability make.

    The healing is unreliable and the method of stacking mitigation is convoluted for no clear reason.


    The idea of stacking mitigation itself isn’t awful, but it’d be better off on a stand your ground class, or hell, stick it on Path. Expedition is useless and Double Take should keep it what with RAT currently being a better, cheaper, more combat oriented version of Double Take. Go full maneuvering on DT, full utility on Path. Give NB something useful for groups that other classes don’t do far better

    Yea, you don't know wtf you are talking about,grim focus can hit well over 70k upwards of 100k with bt, in pvp it still hits very hard.

    i won't really bother extending this further seen your lack of knowledge.

    And you seem to lack anything but complete exaggerations

    If you can find a video with a single solitary hit of 90k+ from a Bow proc in it (that isn’t on bugged dummies), then by all means post it. As it stands, you’re talking out your ear trying to justify an out-of-nowhere change that turned a pure offense ability into a mitigation tool with unfitting, unreliable healing stuck onto it

    The dummies actually lack alkosh and crusher infused, they bug also only applied for fire damage, and pets on the first week, so again you don;t know... wtf you are talking about.

    You would get even more damage if the dummies were not bugged currently.

    So that’s a no then? You don’t have any evidence of these 90k bow shots

    You want your evidence?

    Fine, here it is.

    https://imgur.com/a/CiUHc3M

    And this isn't even the upper limit of dps for nb, you could do much more.

    Remove about 8 to 9k from killer's blade max hit and you have your max hit for focus, which is well over 90k, i just didn't use it during execute.

    Well I suppose I stand corrected when every buff in the game has 100% uptime, which is heavily questionable in its own right. I sense other classes would have much the same overblown tooltip/damage discrepancies in those scenarios, of course I’ll go look for the Sorc parses myself.

    You can get those in a optimized raid, the only buff impossible to get 100 % of is major force, but the max hit you could get is still over 90k, so just stop.
  • TheYKcid
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    Yes. I would like two options when morphing this skill
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    This class still has one the “secret character” abilities that allows you to hit your opponent regardless of what direction your character faces. Aka being able to surprise attack someone who has rooted you and is directly behind you.

    Heh, wonder when this guy is gonna realise that any targeted or directional ability can be aimed behind you when rooted, as long as you take your fingers off the movement keys and only swivel your camera.
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    No. I’m happy with the changes.
    TheYKcid wrote: »
    zParallaxz wrote: »
    This class still has one the “secret character” abilities that allows you to hit your opponent regardless of what direction your character faces. Aka being able to surprise attack someone who has rooted you and is directly behind you.

    Heh, wonder when this guy is gonna realise that any targeted or directional ability can be aimed behind you when rooted, as long as you take your fingers off the movement keys and only swivel your camera.
    False, you can’t hit abilities such as frags or the first hit flame lash if your opponent is directly behind you. Not to long ago surprise attack and soul harvest went through dodge roll which was unintended.
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