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Should grim focus be looked at again?
blkjag
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No one will use this skill if it’s just a heal. It has no place in pve and is just plain garbage for pvp, stam or mag. Please give us the option of damage or a heal depending on the morph. Please share your thoughts.
Edited by blkjag on April 27, 2019 5:36PM Should grim focus be looked at again? 84 votes
Yes. I would like two options when morphing this skill
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58 votes
No. I’m happy with the changes.
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Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Pressing a button and getting no result will be familiar to many PvP players, ZoS might be planning to morph all skills to have no effect which will both fully balance the classes and reduce PvP lag.14 -
Kidgangster101✭✭✭✭✭
✭No one will use this skill if it’s just a heal. It has no place in pve and is just plain garbage for pvp, stam or mag. Please give us the option of damage or a heal depending on the morph. Please share your thoughts.
Maybe you should follow the pts more.......
You do know NB is still parsing as arguably the best if not at least the 2nd best dps and guess what? Their loadout didn't change at all. So yes in fact they do run grim focus and yes they are still amazed at DPS.0 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭Kidgangster101 wrote: »No one will use this skill if it’s just a heal. It has no place in pve and is just plain garbage for pvp, stam or mag. Please give us the option of damage or a heal depending on the morph. Please share your thoughts.
Maybe you should follow the pts more.......
You do know NB is still parsing as arguably the best if not at least the 2nd best dps and guess what? Their loadout didn't change at all. So yes in fact they do run grim focus and yes they are still amazed at DPS.
"At least 2nd best dps." Im assuming thats sarcasm?
Its not the best healer, tank, aoe nor group class but being nerfed into 2nd best at the one thing it was meant to be good at should be celebrated?
Anyway, Not sure what this post has to do with grim focus.
Its in a bad state and many are wondering what direction its going to go.
People are saying monday. Till then..7 -
Czekoludek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. I would like two options when morphing this skillKidgangster101 wrote: »No one will use this skill if it’s just a heal. It has no place in pve and is just plain garbage for pvp, stam or mag. Please give us the option of damage or a heal depending on the morph. Please share your thoughts.
Maybe you should follow the pts more.......
You do know NB is still parsing as arguably the best if not at least the 2nd best dps and guess what? Their loadout didn't change at all. So yes in fact they do run grim focus and yes they are still amazed at DPS.
Of course you are talking about stamblade cuz magblades are bad right now. And I mean really bad1 -
frostz417✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No. I’m happy with the changes.Czekoludek wrote: »Kidgangster101 wrote: »No one will use this skill if it’s just a heal. It has no place in pve and is just plain garbage for pvp, stam or mag. Please give us the option of damage or a heal depending on the morph. Please share your thoughts.
Maybe you should follow the pts more.......
You do know NB is still parsing as arguably the best if not at least the 2nd best dps and guess what? Their loadout didn't change at all. So yes in fact they do run grim focus and yes they are still amazed at DPS.
Of course you are talking about stamblade cuz magblades are bad right now. And I mean really bad
Magblades have been top tier mag dps for over a year... the entire end game pve scene only consisted of JUST nightblades as dps and maybe a sorc or a magplar.
But but “mAgBlaDez R rEaLLy bAd”Edited by frostz417 on April 27, 2019 7:31PM4 -
Czekoludek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. I would like two options when morphing this skilljust to be specific, 1 year of being top dps, 1 year of being just meh and 3 years of being worst mag dd.6 -
sionIV✭✭✭✭✭Czekoludek wrote: »just to be specific, 1 year of being top dps, 1 year of being just meh and 3 years of being worst mag dd.
Magicka Warden would like to have a talk with you. You do not know how good you have had it, and still have it.4 -
_Ahala_✭✭✭✭✭
✭They said on live yesterday that in addition to its 5.0.1 modifications it will give a 3% damage mitigation buff stacking with each light attack up to 5 times which translates into 15% damage mitigation to help with survivability... basically you will have about half a major protection up when your bow proc is ready but when you fire it you will take full damage until you build stacks againEdited by _Ahala_ on April 27, 2019 7:55PM0 -
Czekoludek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. I would like two options when morphing this skillYeah, even with our nerfs, everyone know that it still isn't that bad as magdens :'( Hope you will get some buffa soon0 -
frostz417✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No. I’m happy with the changes.Czekoludek wrote: »Yeah, even with our nerfs, everyone know that it still isn't that bad as magdens :'( Hope you will get some buffa soon
We don’t speak of magdens in pve... just forget they exist4 -
_Ahala_✭✭✭✭✭
✭Czekoludek wrote: »Yeah, even with our nerfs, everyone know that it still isn't that bad as magdens :'( Hope you will get some buffa soon
We don’t speak of magdens in pve... just forget they exist
I fear they that oblivion also awaits PvP magden next patch with the changes to fissure, perma/northern, and pollen... a build with an extremely conditional 500 ult balorgs + clever alchemist proc + infused berserk enchant proc 22k fissure tooltip can only hit a medium armor glass cannon build for 5k with a full fletcher flies + deep fissure + clench + clench burst combo if they decide to tap block the fissure... we will join you soon our PvE brethrenEdited by _Ahala_ on April 27, 2019 8:36PM3 -
Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
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Ectheliontnacil✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes. I would like two options when morphing this skillThey said on live yesterday that in addition to its 5.0.1 modifications it will give a 3% damage mitigation buff stacking with each light attack up to 5 times which translates into 15% damage mitigation to help with survivability... basically you will have about half a major protection up when your bow proc is ready but when you fire it you will take full damage until you build stacks again
Who comes up with those ideas?
So what now? You need to hang on to your merciless proc in pvp, because you're under pressure and don't want to lose your mitigation?
This is simply ridiculous. Tie mitigation to cloak or something if you need to and give merciless back the minor berserk or maybe major sorcery/prophecy or something.Edited by Ectheliontnacil on April 28, 2019 9:22AM5 -
Czekoludek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. I would like two options when morphing this skillJust return regen buff and add minor force. It will simplify rotation a little (no need to cast trap or channeled), small buff for pvp and almost no change for PvE cuz we already have minor force4 -
Dalsinthus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. I would like two options when morphing this skillEctheliontnacil wrote: »They said on live yesterday that in addition to its 5.0.1 modifications it will give a 3% damage mitigation buff stacking with each light attack up to 5 times which translates into 15% damage mitigation to help with survivability... basically you will have about half a major protection up when your bow proc is ready but when you fire it you will take full damage until you build stacks again
Who comes up with those ideas?
So what no? You need to hang on to your merciless proc in pvp, because you're under pressure and don't want to lose your mitigation?
This is simply ridiculous. Tie mitigation to cloak or something if you need to and give merciless back the minor berserk or maybe major sorcery/prophecy or something.
From ESO Live yesterday it sounds like Gilliam is the one coming up with these ideas.
I groaned out loud and shook my head when Gilliam described what they want to do with this skill. I mean with the revision coming Monday it still does nothing at all on activation other than allows you to start playing the "mini game" (Gilliam's words) of stacking light attacks toward a proc. But now the skill will give 3% mitigation for every hit, up to 5 stacks. And it heals if you are at close range with a BOW proc. This skill is just all over the place - damage, healing, mitigation, all of which is awkward af.
They did say that minor berserk was just "too much" so nightblade (aka "edge lord") doesn't get to have it anymore. They didn't explain why warden still gets it passively for slotting a skill.
I can't see myself running this skill anymore, even if it remains on the meta builds. What they need to do is give it a buff that fits with the rogue theme of the nb - something like major sorcery/brutality.
Good news is that they are adjusting mark target to be a no resource cost skill like elemental drain and they're looking at revising minor mangle on incap because it isn't achieving their goals. I found both of those changes encouraging.
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Harrdarrzarr✭✭✭It is still a very hard-hitting attack, at least for pve. When you look at for example combat metrics parses, it is still very strong.
For pvp it's rip though.1 -
LordTareq✭✭✭✭✭Dalsinthus wrote: »
Good news is that they are adjusting mark target to be a no resource cost skill like elemental drain and they're looking at revising minor mangle on incap because it isn't achieving their goals. I found both of those changes encouraging.
I feel they implied they are just going to remove minor mangle as its still over-performing in their eyes.
As for the Merciless Resolve, I kinda like the idea. Basically you use the skill for the burst, but you get the passive benefit of a a little damage reduction. Better than nothing.
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asuzab16_ESO✭✭✭No. I’m happy with the changes.I have always hated this spell and the fact that we had to slot it to be competitive in any content. Its cluncky mechanics and short duration made it the spell that I despise the most in this game and it made me stop from playing NB. I realize this is a damage nerf, but as it allows a lot more build freedom, I'm really happy with this change and I'm going to start playing my NB again.Edited by asuzab16_ESO on April 28, 2019 12:09AM2
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zyk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Basically, ZOS is nerfing Grim Focus for Trials, so whatever they do to compensate for the nerf can't be a benefit to raid DPS.
PVP Magblades are literally second class citizens here. They are not deserving of a nerf.
Like the heal, I see situational benefit to the stacked mitigation, but is it a match with the Assassin theme of the NB? As an Assassin, I need extra defense on escape, not when I normally use Assassin's Will.
It's not like AvA is a series of 1v1s. When I kill my opponent with a high damage build, I have other opponents attacking me immediately after that I must distance myself from. There will be no extra mitigation in this scenario.
This will be a buff to cancerous heavy armor Bleedblades and the tank meta in general though. Ugh.
They are ignoring the fact almost all NB bust comes from sequential attacks which is why we need them to hit hard and why Minor Berserk is so beneficial.
Plus I've heard over the months that Gilliam is a pretty big critic of Cloak, so it's not comforting he's on the job. At all. It's only a matter of time before cloak as we know it is replaced by a ridiculous gimmick.
If ZOS wants to take away our sequential attack DPS, they need to add layered burst options like everyone else has.Edited by zyk on April 28, 2019 12:43AM9 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Gilliam is completely out of touch if this bullcrap is what he considered a cohesive class design
NBs ONLY have damage. They don’t have utility and their defenses are unreliable at best12 -
Jameliel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nerfed into garbage for no good reason. Keep paying them $$ and yelping about what a great game it is though.
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FangOfTheTwoMoons✭✭✭✭✭Yes. I would like two options when morphing this skillCzekoludek wrote: »Just return regen buff and add minor force. It will simplify rotation a little (no need to cast trap or channeled), small buff for pvp and almost no change for PvE cuz we already have minor force
This is a great idea. It would also open up room for something else on your bar.0 -
frostz417✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No. I’m happy with the changes.Czekoludek wrote: »Just return regen buff and add minor force. It will simplify rotation a little (no need to cast trap or channeled), small buff for pvp and almost no change for PvE cuz we already have minor force
Minor force? They already have 10% crit damage increase in passives. So no0 -
zParallaxz✭✭✭✭✭No. I’m happy with the changes.A nerf to the skill was WELL DESERVED This is a multifaceted skill that gave high damage for either stam/mag, minor berserk, a morph that does disease damage, a magical morph that snares and does more damage. The fact that nightblades are complaining about this nerf shows you how well they’ve had it for years. This class still has one the “secret character” abilities that allows you to hit your opponent regardless of what direction your character faces. Aka being able to surprise attack someone who has rooted you and is directly behind you.0
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No. I’m happy with the changes.I'm fine with the chanbges on monday, but i dope they will give resolve 30 seconds like focus.0 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Czekoludek wrote: »Yeah, even with our nerfs, everyone know that it still isn't that bad as magdens :'( Hope you will get some buffa soon
We don’t speak of magdens in pve... just forget they exist
No they are clearly healers
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