Giving surprise attack a dot instead of major fracture

Deathlord92 · April 2019

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Zekka wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

What do you think of power extraction then?

Overbuffed, it needed a better secondary effect, not to deal as much damage as SA. AoE damage skills shouldn't deal as much damage as single target skills.

i agree. spammable aoes ought to do at most 60%the damage of a single target ability, so you don't get an increase overall in damage till you have more then 2 targets. right now they seem to be doing like 5-25% less.

here is my tooltips for surprise attack, steel tornado/whirling blades and power extraction right now on the pts-

i was thinking about this a while ago, make power extraction scale with the number of targets you hit. like the heal from sap, 20% more damage per target, capped at 6, you could hit for 120% more then tooltip if you manage to get 6 targets in the area. that would be a great bonus for using the right skill for the job.

It’s a good idea I like it make zerglings think twice before jumping on a nb xD

TrinityBreaker · April 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Why ?

Because the way SA is in pts is weak I’m just throwing out ideas to make it stronger I don’t want to see the only class I play get butchered 😢

How is it weak ? Damage is the same there is additional bonus to penetration the only thing that have changed is lack of fracture but if this ability is weak without fracture then why every stamblade is using it even when fracture is provided by group members in both PvE and PvP ?

From a pvp perspective what about the players that like to play solo and why do wardens get to keep everything stamblade losing?

Because wardens do not have what stamblades have maybe ? Like execute or undodgable , unblockable CC or gap closer etc etc...

I know the bear AI is dumb but the execute is most definitely there.

Juhasow · April 2019

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Why ?

Because the way SA is in pts is weak I’m just throwing out ideas to make it stronger I don’t want to see the only class I play get butchered 😢

How is it weak ? Damage is the same there is additional bonus to penetration the only thing that have changed is lack of fracture but if this ability is weak without fracture then why every stamblade is using it even when fracture is provided by group members in both PvE and PvP ?

From a pvp perspective what about the players that like to play solo and why do wardens get to keep everything stamblade losing?

Because wardens do not have what stamblades have maybe ? Like execute or undodgable , unblockable CC or gap closer etc etc...

I know the bear AI is dumb but the execute is most definitely there.

Lol. Calling bear ulti an execute is kinda silly. It's like calling all dual wield abilities executes because of 1 passive in dw skill line.

Feanor · April 2019

A class spammable shouldn’t have had a major Armour debuff to begin with when it does the amount of damage SA does.

Undefwun · April 2019

In the

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

I know the bear AI is dumb but the execute is most definitely there.

In the thousands of death recaps I've stared at on my journey to becoming delightfully average at pvp, I've seen warden bear once.

What I have seen though, are a lot of recaps with 4 x Steel Tornado. Very disappointed with the changes to the spin2win morphs. Nothing was fixed there.

As for stamblades... anyone that says they didn't need a down tune, is just being a selfish a$$.

ZOS has a history of baffling changes, but one has to remember that as of the recent racial changes, there is a new lead dev and a lot of these changes are standarising the way things work. Dots as an example, making them all tick the same intervals and lengths, making the actual dot not tick immediately.
This is a good thing

Deathlord92 · April 2019

Undefwun wrote: »

In the

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

I know the bear AI is dumb but the execute is most definitely there.

In the thousands of death recaps I've stared at on my journey to becoming delightfully average at pvp, I've seen warden bear once.

What I have seen though, are a lot of recaps with 4 x Steel Tornado. Very disappointed with the changes to the spin2win morphs. Nothing was fixed there.

As for stamblades... anyone that says they didn't need a down tune, is just being a selfish a$$.

ZOS has a history of baffling changes, but one has to remember that as of the recent racial changes, there is a new lead dev and a lot of these changes are standarising the way things work. Dots as an example, making them all tick the same intervals and lengths, making the actual dot not tick immediately.
This is a good thing

I dislike these changes everyone entitled to there opinion especially day 1 player that play 1 class for me it nightblade they will ruin my experience by butchering nightblade so I’m going to unsubscribe and not buy anything else from them this is my way of dealing with this sht show 🙂

Deathlord92 · April 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Undefwun wrote: »

In the

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

I know the bear AI is dumb but the execute is most definitely there.

In the thousands of death recaps I've stared at on my journey to becoming delightfully average at pvp, I've seen warden bear once.

What I have seen though, are a lot of recaps with 4 x Steel Tornado. Very disappointed with the changes to the spin2win morphs. Nothing was fixed there.

As for stamblades... anyone that says they didn't need a down tune, is just being a selfish a$$.

ZOS has a history of baffling changes, but one has to remember that as of the recent racial changes, there is a new lead dev and a lot of these changes are standarising the way things work. Dots as an example, making them all tick the same intervals and lengths, making the actual dot not tick immediately.
This is a good thing

I dislike these changes everyone entitled to there opinion especially day 1 player that play 1 class for me it nightblade they will ruin my experience by butchering nightblade so I’m going to unsubscribe and not buy anything else from them this is my way of dealing with this sht show 🙂

Unless of course they find a more reasonable way to tone down nightblade for the cry babies one that doesn’t leave the class unplayable and making eso look pay2win as warden keeps everything nightblade loses and necromancer op probably has it all to

Undefwun · April 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Unless of course they find a more reasonable way to tone down nightblade for the cry babies one that doesn’t leave the class unplayable and making eso look pay2win as warden keeps everything nightblade loses and necromancer op probably has it all to

'Unplayable' is a massive hyperbole, maybe the can release a 'drama queen' personality in the crown store for the occasion...

The issue was that stamblade skills were overloaded and now they are crying that they are being pulled into line. They want to keep over powered status, that's selfish...

All I know the good stamblades will adapt and kick ass as they always have...

Tasear · April 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Why ?

Because the way SA is in pts is weak I’m just throwing out ideas to make it stronger I don’t want to see the only class I play get butchered 😢

It was buffs. They only took away reducencies.

Deathlord92 · April 2019

Undefwun wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Unless of course they find a more reasonable way to tone down nightblade for the cry babies one that doesn’t leave the class unplayable and making eso look pay2win as warden keeps everything nightblade loses and necromancer op probably has it all to

'Unplayable' is a massive hyperbole, maybe the can release a 'drama queen' personality in the crown store for the occasion...

The issue was that stamblade skills were overloaded and now they are crying that they are being pulled into line. They want to keep over powered status, that's selfish...

All I know the good stamblades will adapt and kick ass as they always have...

Hey I’m not saying I can’t adapt I will adapt but that will never stop the cry babies who didn’t adapt and learn to kill nightblade. I have a recent video on me killing 3 stamblade and a stamplar all max cp I had no problems doing it and I x stamblade daily I know how to fight em to many cba to learn they come here and cry instead for nerfs

Deathlord92 · April 2019

My biggest problem as a stamblade is fighting magplars I actually struggle against that class most now I can kill them but with great difficulty if there good you don’t see me saying butcher magplars now do you lol 😂

Xvorg · April 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

What if they made surprise attack do poison damage maybe tone down its tooltip a little and gave surprise attack a nasty dot 🤔

What about crafting a NMG set to give Major Fracture in your opening snipe? Then you can use SA with a 5% extra dmg + Major fracture + Minor vulnerability from ambush.

Any smart NB would use NMG set next patch if they still want major fracture

Deathlord92 · April 2019

Xvorg wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

What if they made surprise attack do poison damage maybe tone down its tooltip a little and gave surprise attack a nasty dot 🤔

What about crafting a NMG set to give Major Fracture in your opening snipe? Then you can use SA with a 5% extra dmg + Major fracture + Minor vulnerability from ambush.

Any smart NB would use NMG set next patch if they still want major fracture

I already have this set golded out but do not forget you lose healing because I certainly haven’t

Deathlord92 · April 2019

this update sucks so hard I hope they at least buff magblade survive ability I hear stam dk which is suppose be the tank class is apparently doing more damage then stamblade on current pts lmao

russelmmendoza · April 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

this update sucks so hard I hope they at least buff magblade survive ability I hear stam dk which is suppose be the tank class is apparently doing more damage then stamblade on current pts lmao

A tank dk doing more damage than a dd nb.

Job well done, zos. Go give yourself a well deserve pat in the back.

Now players will buy the warden and pre order necro class.

Undefwun · April 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

this update sucks so hard I hope they at least buff magblade survive ability I hear stam dk which is suppose be the tank class is apparently doing more damage then stamblade on current pts lmao

A tank dk doing more damage than a dd nb.

Job well done, zos. Go give yourself a well deserve pat in the back.

Now players will buy the warden and pre order necro class.

And this children is how bad rumors get started...

1) wrong information - Saltblade A says " I hear stam dk which is suppose be the tank class is apparently doing more damage then stamblade "

Pretty sure no good trials tank is a 'stam' DK.. a DK but not a 'stam DK'...
- Shows how much you really know about the game as a whole.
- Pure DPS means nothing in PvP, which you proved yourself since as you have mentioned several times you killed 3 stamblades and stamplar at the same time, but if it was just about dps they should have won, cos 3 x big dps against you should have won. (Note by you said 'recently', probably means during the pve tourist event, cos 3 stamblades losing is straight up potato)

2) Someone else takes it and runs with it - Saltblade B "A tank dk doing more damage than a dd nb."

Saltblade A pigeon holed DKs as tanks, he didn't say a tank build.
Saltblade A didn't even watch it himself. It was 'apparently'. More rumors

Now Saltblade B is running around telling ppl tanks are doing more dmg than stamblade dps toons..

What a fine pair of clown shoes you are... the changes are NOT class breaking, just been pulled into line a bit.

Feanor · April 2019

a) Count how many class spammables exist
b) Count how many class skills with a major armor debuff exist
c) Count how many spammables with the amount of damage SA still offers exist

Feel enlightened.