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Relentless focus needs SOMETHING
Barbaran
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Take away minor berserk and make nightblades use ambush/lotus fan for the 8% on a single target, okay, use the flex spot and work it into rotation.
However, with relentless you have now created a skill that costs Stam to do... NOTHING.
yes yes, stack 5 attacks and get a bow attack, but really, if you don't stack the 5 and have to re cast you get NOTHING for 2k Stam? And the bow proc costs 1k more Stam... Wtf?
Give it back the minor endurance so at least your getting something for casting the ability.
Or make it like a curse, sub terranian or the new necro with a 2.5 sec delay with a guranteed activation so nightblades have a combo.
Give it SOMETHING
However, with relentless you have now created a skill that costs Stam to do... NOTHING.
yes yes, stack 5 attacks and get a bow attack, but really, if you don't stack the 5 and have to re cast you get NOTHING for 2k Stam? And the bow proc costs 1k more Stam... Wtf?
Give it back the minor endurance so at least your getting something for casting the ability.
Or make it like a curse, sub terranian or the new necro with a 2.5 sec delay with a guranteed activation so nightblades have a combo.
Give it SOMETHING
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Barbaran✭✭✭✭So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day13 -
Haza_212✭✭✭So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
Well, yes it hits hard. but is easily dodged now after a previous change. I agree with Barbaran in leaving at least the minor endurance. Its 3k stam for an effect that is relatively easy to deny, even for moderately skilled players.
I've always seen nightblades as a solo dps class. Able to buff itself considerably, but not offer a whole lot for team play. it doesn't offer usable synergies like Templar or Magsorc. Removing its ability to self buff seems like removing some of its class identity. That's my opinion anyway11 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day
20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.8 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For the record relentless focus will now last 30 seconds up from 20 and will heal for 1/3 of damage done so it's not like it have nothing except the damage.
For those master mathematicians here suggesting it's expensive to fire it lets assume the base cos is 2k , firing each spectral bow is 1k and You are getting 1 proc per 10 seconds. So the overal stam cost is 5k stam for 3 procs meaning it's like 1,7k stam per proc. Doesnt seem so expensive. Lets also not forget it's disease dmg so it have 10% chance to proc disease status effect aka major defile which can help now when incap no longer have it.
So You get cheap hard hitting ability with a heal that can also proc heal debuff. Definietly nothing...7 -
HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day
20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.
So I put together a quick magblade build using the uesp.net build editor. Fully buffed, correct skill bars, the damage of spectral bow is 21,656.
I then switched it to a magsorc. With the same sets, all passives obtained, and exactly the same CP and buffs tabs, correct skill bars, frags has a tooltip of 20,762
Frags. 17302*1.2:
Merciless.
Now who's trolling?
Edited by HowlKimchi on April 22, 2019 6:10AM9 -
templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stamplars and Magplars alike don’t even use their burst ability in PvE (Purifying/POTL) because it’s a DPS loss and Nightblades are complaining that Spectral Bow needs buffs. Amazing.1 -
Heimpai✭✭✭✭✭So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day
20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.
So I put together a quick magblade build using the uesp.net build editor. Fully buffed, correct skill bars, the damage of spectral bow is 21,656.
I then switched it to a magsorc. With the same sets, all passives obtained, and exactly the same CP and buffs tabs, correct skill bars, frags has a tooltip of 20,762
Frags. 17302*1.2:
Merciless.
Now who's trolling?
Take away 8% of that 20k
Didn’t realize frags took 5 la‘s to use, and it often goes off instantly with no charge up time, oh i forgot frags is very slow and ez to avoid8 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day
20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.
So I put together a quick magblade build using the uesp.net build editor. Fully buffed, correct skill bars, the damage of spectral bow is 21,656.
I then switched it to a magsorc. With the same sets, all passives obtained, and exactly the same CP and buffs tabs, correct skill bars, frags has a tooltip of 20,762
Frags. 17302*1.2:
Merciless.
Now who's trolling?
Somebody have issues with reading and understanding the context. 1st title thread have relentles focus in the name so yeah very insightfull to link wrong morph. Next OP clearly suggest we're talking about PvP values by saying about combo that sorc "can throw at You" and I doubt You'll see 20k frags flying in Cyrodill or "regular occurance". Learn to read.
Also if only nightblade had some ultimate that applies 20% dmg taken debuff making spectral bow to hit for even more and enabling very strong burst combos. Or if only nightblade in PvP got some easy in use ability that applies minor vulnerability for 8 seconds. Oh wait...Edited by Juhasow on April 22, 2019 6:47AM5 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day
20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.
So I put together a quick magblade build using the uesp.net build editor. Fully buffed, correct skill bars, the damage of spectral bow is 21,656.
I then switched it to a magsorc. With the same sets, all passives obtained, and exactly the same CP and buffs tabs, correct skill bars, frags has a tooltip of 20,762
Frags. 17302*1.2:
Merciless.
Now who's trolling?
Take away 8% of that 20k
Didn’t realize frags took 5 la‘s to use, and it often goes off instantly with no charge up time, oh i forgot frags is very slow and ez to avoid
That merciless resolve screen was being made without minor berserk active so no reason to take away 8%.3 -
HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day
20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.
So I put together a quick magblade build using the uesp.net build editor. Fully buffed, correct skill bars, the damage of spectral bow is 21,656.
I then switched it to a magsorc. With the same sets, all passives obtained, and exactly the same CP and buffs tabs, correct skill bars, frags has a tooltip of 20,762
Frags. 17302*1.2:
Merciless.
Now who's trolling?
Somebody have issues with reading and understanding the context. 1st title thread have relentles focus in the name so yeah very insightfull to link wrong morph. Next OP clearly suggest we're talking about PvP values by saying about combo that sorc "can throw at You" and I doubt You'll see 20k frags flying in Cyrodill or "regular occurance". Learn to read.
Also if only nightblade had some ultimate that applies 20% dmg taken debuff making spectral bow to hit for even more and enabling very strong burst combos. Or if only nightblade in PvP got some easy in use ability that applies minor vulnerability for 8 seconds. Oh wait...
Point still stands. Frags deal roughly the same damage in pvp as with the bow proc. Frags is infinitely easier to have available in pvp.
I was merely commenting on your statement that you are not going to take this thread seriously because you were denying that frags deal similar damage to bow while being infinitely easier to obtain.
see here:20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.4 -
Haza_212✭✭✭Stamplars and Magplars alike don’t even use their burst ability in PvE (Purifying/POTL) because it’s a DPS loss and Nightblades are complaining that Spectral Bow needs buffs. Amazing.
I don't think anyone said it needs a buff. The complaint is that it is too much of a change in one go. I think most people would be ok with smaller changes and see how it performs, then go from there0 -
HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day
20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.
So I put together a quick magblade build using the uesp.net build editor. Fully buffed, correct skill bars, the damage of spectral bow is 21,656.
I then switched it to a magsorc. With the same sets, all passives obtained, and exactly the same CP and buffs tabs, correct skill bars, frags has a tooltip of 20,762
Frags. 17302*1.2:
Merciless.
Now who's trolling?
Take away 8% of that 20k
Didn’t realize frags took 5 la‘s to use, and it often goes off instantly with no charge up time, oh i forgot frags is very slow and ez to avoid
the bow proc in the screenshot has no minor berserk.1 -
HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stamplars and Magplars alike don’t even use their burst ability in PvE (Purifying/POTL) because it’s a DPS loss and Nightblades are complaining that Spectral Bow needs buffs. Amazing.
I think this is a PVP discussion based on how the OP worded his post.1 -
Rikumaru✭✭✭✭✭
✭So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day
20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.
So I put together a quick magblade build using the uesp.net build editor. Fully buffed, correct skill bars, the damage of spectral bow is 21,656.
I then switched it to a magsorc. With the same sets, all passives obtained, and exactly the same CP and buffs tabs, correct skill bars, frags has a tooltip of 20,762
Frags. 17302*1.2:
Merciless.
Now who's trolling?
Somebody have issues with reading and understanding the context. 1st title thread have relentles focus in the name so yeah very insightfull to link wrong morph. Next OP clearly suggest we're talking about PvP values by saying about combo that sorc "can throw at You" and I doubt You'll see 20k frags flying in Cyrodill or "regular occurance". Learn to read.
Also if only nightblade had some ultimate that applies 20% dmg taken debuff making spectral bow to hit for even more and enabling very strong burst combos. Or if only nightblade in PvP got some easy in use ability that applies minor vulnerability for 8 seconds. Oh wait...
Chill out dude, I don't know what the reason that you hate nightblade so much but it's not even arguable to say relentless on the current PTS is far far weaker than cfrags in a PvP environment.
The problem that people have with magblades kit is the fact it's an incredibly contradictory kit. We need to play at range but yet use melee range ultimates and with this relentless change to be up close to benefit from the heal? We need to use a gap closer on a ranged class to benefit from minor vulnerability? Nothing synergies at all, there is no identity in the kit which is exactly why it's one of the worst classes for open world PvP (particularly solo open world). None of it makes any sense.Overload rework. Power Overload now does physical damage and grants you the power of a tornado: You throw a brick at the target with a light attack, and you hammer your head into that brick with every heavy attack. We have decreased its Ultimate cost, but increased the chance that you get stuck in the animation.8 -
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✭i suggest minor/major heroism.
Disagree with this change as magblade already has great ult gen, this would put it a bit over the top considering the cheap ult they have access to, but I wouldn't complain if they received minor heroism with relentless and it would definitely cement their role as the major slayer bot for the group.. Other possible buffs could be major sorcery, major courage, minor vitality, minor sorcery, minor force, minor breach/fracture, minor prophecy, and probably some others I'm forgetting. Minor sorcery would be cool and unique, I guess? Getting minor vitality back would also be nice.Gryphon Heart
Godslayer
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day
20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.
So I put together a quick magblade build using the uesp.net build editor. Fully buffed, correct skill bars, the damage of spectral bow is 21,656.
I then switched it to a magsorc. With the same sets, all passives obtained, and exactly the same CP and buffs tabs, correct skill bars, frags has a tooltip of 20,762
Frags. 17302*1.2:
Merciless.
Now who's trolling?
Somebody have issues with reading and understanding the context. 1st title thread have relentles focus in the name so yeah very insightfull to link wrong morph. Next OP clearly suggest we're talking about PvP values by saying about combo that sorc "can throw at You" and I doubt You'll see 20k frags flying in Cyrodill or "regular occurance". Learn to read.
Also if only nightblade had some ultimate that applies 20% dmg taken debuff making spectral bow to hit for even more and enabling very strong burst combos. Or if only nightblade in PvP got some easy in use ability that applies minor vulnerability for 8 seconds. Oh wait...
Point still stands. Frags deal roughly the same damage in pvp as with the bow proc. Frags is infinitely easier to have available in pvp.
I was merely commenting on your statement that you are not going to take this thread seriously because you were denying that frags deal similar damage to bow while being infinitely easier to obtain.
see here:20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.
Well I never said anything about dmg difference between frag and relentless so no point is not standing because there was no point to prove at the 1st place. You just took things out of context. I was denying that in PvP You can see 20k frags often. You havnt change my mind in that matter.0 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭For the record relentless focus will now last 30 seconds up from 20 and will heal for 1/3 of damage done so it's not like it have nothing except the damage.
For those master mathematicians here suggesting it's expensive to fire it lets assume the base cos is 2k , firing each spectral bow is 1k and You are getting 1 proc per 10 seconds. So the overal stam cost is 5k stam for 3 procs meaning it's like 1,7k stam per proc. Doesnt seem so expensive. Lets also not forget it's disease dmg so it have 10% chance to proc disease status effect aka major defile which can help now when incap no longer have it.
So You get cheap hard hitting ability with a heal that can also proc heal debuff. Definietly nothing...
Yeapers it's garbage. Would prefer dark cloak the only real burst heal we had and the other as an attack....Zos got it backwards and have no idea how to 1 v X as a magblade....smh
They slam a weak class while gutting the stam version....
I mean, I wonder why it is so odd to see any other Magblades soloing in Cyro....visible with all the jellyfish hearders running around.
Edited by Girl_Number8 on April 23, 2019 8:28PM2 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day
20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.
So I put together a quick magblade build using the uesp.net build editor. Fully buffed, correct skill bars, the damage of spectral bow is 21,656.
I then switched it to a magsorc. With the same sets, all passives obtained, and exactly the same CP and buffs tabs, correct skill bars, frags has a tooltip of 20,762
Frags. 17302*1.2:
Merciless.
Now who's trolling?
Somebody have issues with reading and understanding the context. 1st title thread have relentles focus in the name so yeah very insightfull to link wrong morph. Next OP clearly suggest we're talking about PvP values by saying about combo that sorc "can throw at You" and I doubt You'll see 20k frags flying in Cyrodill or "regular occurance". Learn to read.
Also if only nightblade had some ultimate that applies 20% dmg taken debuff making spectral bow to hit for even more and enabling very strong burst combos. Or if only nightblade in PvP got some easy in use ability that applies minor vulnerability for 8 seconds. Oh wait...
Chill out dude, I don't know what the reason that you hate nightblade so much but it's not even arguable to say relentless on the current PTS is far far weaker than cfrags in a PvP environment.
The problem that people have with magblades kit is the fact it's an incredibly contradictory kit. We need to play at range but yet use melee range ultimates and with this relentless change to be up close to benefit from the heal? We need to use a gap closer on a ranged class to benefit from minor vulnerability? Nothing synergies at all, there is no identity in the kit which is exactly why it's one of the worst classes for open world PvP (particularly solo open world). None of it makes any sense.
Before these changes you could 1 v X and 2 v X because we had a burst heal 'dark cloak', our only burst as a magblade. Which got killed with a lot of other stuff that made it bearable. Most people that are trolling magblade threads are probably running a crutch class and just want a rise out of you. Magblade needed a buff plain and simple.2 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day
20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.
So I put together a quick magblade build using the uesp.net build editor. Fully buffed, correct skill bars, the damage of spectral bow is 21,656.
I then switched it to a magsorc. With the same sets, all passives obtained, and exactly the same CP and buffs tabs, correct skill bars, frags has a tooltip of 20,762
Frags. 17302*1.2:
Merciless.
Now who's trolling?
Somebody have issues with reading and understanding the context. 1st title thread have relentles focus in the name so yeah very insightfull to link wrong morph. Next OP clearly suggest we're talking about PvP values by saying about combo that sorc "can throw at You" and I doubt You'll see 20k frags flying in Cyrodill or "regular occurance". Learn to read.
Also if only nightblade had some ultimate that applies 20% dmg taken debuff making spectral bow to hit for even more and enabling very strong burst combos. Or if only nightblade in PvP got some easy in use ability that applies minor vulnerability for 8 seconds. Oh wait...
Chill out dude, I don't know what the reason that you hate nightblade so much but it's not even arguable to say relentless on the current PTS is far far weaker than cfrags in a PvP environment.
The problem that people have with magblades kit is the fact it's an incredibly contradictory kit. We need to play at range but yet use melee range ultimates and with this relentless change to be up close to benefit from the heal? We need to use a gap closer on a ranged class to benefit from minor vulnerability? Nothing synergies at all, there is no identity in the kit which is exactly why it's one of the worst classes for open world PvP (particularly solo open world). None of it makes any sense.
Oh i see problem with reading and understanding the context spreads ahead. What makes no sense is that You write about relentless and then go in details of explaining magblade kit which have nothing to do with relentless. Also have You ever seen me saying that frags are weaker then relentless ? Comparing abilities of certain classes 1 to 1 is most silly things people can do. By that logic most of the abilities in the game is weak because there are other abilities on different class that are better. It's getting even more silly when for the need of that comparision people deliberately ignore all features that certain ability provides and compare just 1 of the features to whole kit of other ability.
As for the magblade having meele ulti and range abilities that actually makes sense since the class is rogue type of playstyle so for it to have very strong kit of meele attack is nothing unexpected. That way theme of risk vs reward can exist because to truly take adventage of Your kit on magblade You need to risk a little. If all attacks on magblade would be ranged ones that would be just range mage with invisibility.Edited by Juhasow on April 22, 2019 9:54PM2 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day
20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.
So I put together a quick magblade build using the uesp.net build editor. Fully buffed, correct skill bars, the damage of spectral bow is 21,656.
I then switched it to a magsorc. With the same sets, all passives obtained, and exactly the same CP and buffs tabs, correct skill bars, frags has a tooltip of 20,762
Frags. 17302*1.2:
Merciless.
Now who's trolling?
Somebody have issues with reading and understanding the context. 1st title thread have relentles focus in the name so yeah very insightfull to link wrong morph. Next OP clearly suggest we're talking about PvP values by saying about combo that sorc "can throw at You" and I doubt You'll see 20k frags flying in Cyrodill or "regular occurance". Learn to read.
Also if only nightblade had some ultimate that applies 20% dmg taken debuff making spectral bow to hit for even more and enabling very strong burst combos. Or if only nightblade in PvP got some easy in use ability that applies minor vulnerability for 8 seconds. Oh wait...
Chill out dude, I don't know what the reason that you hate nightblade so much but it's not even arguable to say relentless on the current PTS is far far weaker than cfrags in a PvP environment.
The problem that people have with magblades kit is the fact it's an incredibly contradictory kit. We need to play at range but yet use melee range ultimates and with this relentless change to be up close to benefit from the heal? We need to use a gap closer on a ranged class to benefit from minor vulnerability? Nothing synergies at all, there is no identity in the kit which is exactly why it's one of the worst classes for open world PvP (particularly solo open world). None of it makes any sense.
Before these changes you could 1 v X and 2 v X because we had a burst heal 'dark cloak', our only burst as a magblade. Which got killed with a lot of other stuff that made it bearable. Most people that are trolling magblade threads are probably running a crutch class and just want a rise out of you. Magblade needed a buff plain and simple.
The thing is this is not magblade thread. Unless magblades suddenly started to run with relentless focus...
Edited by Juhasow on April 22, 2019 4:43PM1 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »For the record relentless focus will now last 30 seconds up from 20 and will heal for 1/3 of damage done so it's not like it have nothing except the damage.
For those master mathematicians here suggesting it's expensive to fire it lets assume the base cos is 2k , firing each spectral bow is 1k and You are getting 1 proc per 10 seconds. So the overal stam cost is 5k stam for 3 procs meaning it's like 1,7k stam per proc. Doesnt seem so expensive. Lets also not forget it's disease dmg so it have 10% chance to proc disease status effect aka major defile which can help now when incap no longer have it.
So You get cheap hard hitting ability with a heal that can also proc heal debuff. Definietly nothing...
Yeapers it's garbage. Would prefer dark cloak only real burst heal and the other as and attack....Zos got it backwards and have no idea how to 1 v X as a magblade....smh
They slam a weak class while gutting the stam version....
I mean, I wonder why it is so odd to see any other Magblades soloing in Cyro....visible with all the jellyfish hearders running around.
It's silly that people complain how magblade got killed in this new patch notes when in fact there is few buffs for magblade there , some of them being true game changes that class was in need of getting since many years.Edited by Juhasow on April 22, 2019 4:47PM0 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day
20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.
So I put together a quick magblade build using the uesp.net build editor. Fully buffed, correct skill bars, the damage of spectral bow is 21,656.
I then switched it to a magsorc. With the same sets, all passives obtained, and exactly the same CP and buffs tabs, correct skill bars, frags has a tooltip of 20,762
Frags. 17302*1.2:
Merciless.
Now who's trolling?
So frag hits for less with similar cost and no secondary effect. And that makes it better in what way exactly?1 -
Joosef_Kivikilpi✭✭✭✭So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day
20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.
So I put together a quick magblade build using the uesp.net build editor. Fully buffed, correct skill bars, the damage of spectral bow is 21,656.
I then switched it to a magsorc. With the same sets, all passives obtained, and exactly the same CP and buffs tabs, correct skill bars, frags has a tooltip of 20,762
Frags. 17302*1.2:
Merciless.
Now who's trolling?
So frag hits for less with similar cost and no secondary effect. And that makes it better in what way exactly?
You do see those morph effects on Crystal Frags, right? Since very small plates base ACTUALLY hard casts Frags, add 20% dmg to that Tokyo and 50% cost reduction. Way better than assassin will after that fact.4 -
FangOfTheTwoMoons✭✭✭✭✭I'd give up the 5k damage difference to make it as easy as frags to use. It takes the most preparation to use only for it to be blocked or dodged. The heal is not compensation for losing berserk and endurance. MagBlade gets zero benefits from anything too. How do you force a magic class to fight up close lmao ZoS is losing touch with reality. Everyone's loving these NB nerfs but if the community allows such heavy gutting who knows what class will be next.4 -
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✭✭Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day
20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.
So I put together a quick magblade build using the uesp.net build editor. Fully buffed, correct skill bars, the damage of spectral bow is 21,656.
I then switched it to a magsorc. With the same sets, all passives obtained, and exactly the same CP and buffs tabs, correct skill bars, frags has a tooltip of 20,762
Frags. 17302*1.2:
Merciless.
Now who's trolling?
So frag hits for less with similar cost and no secondary effect. And that makes it better in what way exactly?
You do see those morph effects on Crystal Frags, right? Since very small plates base ACTUALLY hard casts Frags, add 20% dmg to that Tokyo and 50% cost reduction. Way better than assassin will after that fact.
Yes i did see that, did you? Cause i did took that 20% into account and its still less. I mean its simple math, you can do it urself. Thats why i said hits for less and didnt say much much less. I also did took that 50% cost reduction into account. Its still similar cost.
So again, it hits for less with similar cost and no secondary effect. How is that way better exactly?Edited by pieratsos on April 22, 2019 7:40PM1 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »I'd give up the 5k damage difference to make it as easy as frags to use. It takes the most preparation to use only for it to be blocked or dodged. The heal is not compensation for losing berserk and endurance. MagBlade gets zero benefits from anything too. How do you force a magic class to fight up close lmao ZoS is losing touch with reality. Everyone's loving these NB nerfs but if the community allows such heavy gutting who knows what class will be next.
Well i dont like magblade nerfs, they didnt deserve them and were mostly collateral dmg of attempting to nerf stamblades but "who knows what class will be next"? lol. You are late at the party mate. All the other classes were gutted before.
Fun fact about frag vs merciless. This frag version was actually buffed to be able to compete with the current nerfed version of merciless. Talking about gutted. Like i said, late at the party.Edited by pieratsos on April 22, 2019 7:48PM1 -
Joosef_Kivikilpi✭✭✭✭Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »So the hardest hitting ability in the game is nothing now ? OK.....
20K C frags are a regular occurrence on magsorcs right now, they proc every 2-3 seconds, can be thrown in every single combo a sorc throws at you.
Most assassin's scourges are 20-22K, and you might be able to build one in 10 seconds at the very minimum. I'll take a 2K decrease if they proc like a C frags, any day
20k frags on regular occurance lel. Well atleast now I know it's a troll thread.
So I put together a quick magblade build using the uesp.net build editor. Fully buffed, correct skill bars, the damage of spectral bow is 21,656.
I then switched it to a magsorc. With the same sets, all passives obtained, and exactly the same CP and buffs tabs, correct skill bars, frags has a tooltip of 20,762
Frags. 17302*1.2:
Merciless.
Now who's trolling?
So frag hits for less with similar cost and no secondary effect. And that makes it better in what way exactly?
You do see those morph effects on Crystal Frags, right? Since very small plates base ACTUALLY hard casts Frags, add 20% dmg to that Tokyo and 50% cost reduction. Way better than assassin will after that fact.
Yes i did see that, did you? Cause i did took that 20% into account and its still less. I mean its simple math, you can do it urself. Thats why i said hits for less and didnt say much much less. I also did took that 50% cost reduction into account. Its still similar cost.
So again, it hits for less with similar cost and no secondary effect. How is that way better exactly?
How is it better? Because you have the ability to possibly proc 2-3 Frags in the time it takes to build up one assassin will arrow... And it now has to be cast to get that chance... Then has a duration that it lasts. It is legitimately garbage in comparison to Frags.5
