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toothrow vs hundings
ryzen_gamer_gal
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Toothrow
LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) Adds 100 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Gain Major Savagery at all times, increasing your Weapon Critical rating by 2191.
Hunding's Rage
LEVEL 50 - CP 160
Type Craftable
Set bonus
(2 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) Adds 299 Weapon Damage
So the only clear advatage hundings has is that it's craftable (so you can make it training and help you level up) and it does 199 base damage more
Toothrow seems like the clear winner here as the major savagery will do you more good in the long run it appears to me. This seems like the set to get once you hit cp160, because it is an overland set and can be bought from the guild store and traded freely (before it is worn or transmuted). Useful when you are on your way to get beserking warrior and perfect arms of relequen
Edited by ZOS_Hadeostry on September 11, 2023 3:18AM LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) Adds 100 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Gain Major Savagery at all times, increasing your Weapon Critical rating by 2191.
Hunding's Rage
LEVEL 50 - CP 160
Type Craftable
Set bonus
(2 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) Adds 299 Weapon Damage
So the only clear advatage hundings has is that it's craftable (so you can make it training and help you level up) and it does 199 base damage more
Toothrow seems like the clear winner here as the major savagery will do you more good in the long run it appears to me. This seems like the set to get once you hit cp160, because it is an overland set and can be bought from the guild store and traded freely (before it is worn or transmuted). Useful when you are on your way to get beserking warrior and perfect arms of relequen
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Malprave✭✭✭✭✭That’s one way of getting major savagery. But, most players opt to get it through skills or potions.7
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exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No. Just go hundings and use a savagery pot.
Dks will always be running FoO
Templars will generally be using biting jabs
Wardens COULD run green lotus
Then you also have evil hunter if you really want to.
Either way, none of that is worth an entire 5pc set for pve.
Also, toothrow is not an overland set, it drops in wayrest sewers
Edited by exeeter702 on April 21, 2019 4:21PM13 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I prefer Leviathan over Toothrow. You can stack Leviathan's crit with Major Savagery from Expert Hunter8 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You can use hundings & just slot Expert Hunter from Fighters Guild skill line:
"While slotted you gain Major Savagery, increasing your Weapon Critical rating by 2191."0 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As a general rule sets that provide unique effects are more desirable than sets that provide (easily available) standard buffs.2 -
Vuylstekeara✭✭✭✭I like Toothrow. I usually play solo and I am to stingy to use potions all the time, so it's maybe not the most efficient, but the more comfortable set."The paper is balanced, but nerf the rock!"
- The scissors5 -
Everstorm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »You can use hundings & just slot Expert Hunter from Fighters Guild skill line:
"While slotted you gain Major Savagery, increasing your Weapon Critical rating by 2191."
Expert Hunter will also give you 3% extra weapon damage through the slayer passive of the fighter guild skill line.5 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
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Following that easy-going logic, go with toothrow and dreugh king and enjoy full-time buffs without fuss.ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »my tanks run 100% magicka with lighning and ice staff no problem1 -
vgabor✭✭✭✭✭
✭The problem with Toothrow that the 5pc bonus is most of the time redundant as you already have major savagery from somewhere else.0 -
Everstorm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Vuylstekeara wrote: »I like Toothrow. I usually play solo and I am to stingy to use potions all the time, so it's maybe not the most efficient, but the more comfortable set.
Depending on your class (access to major fracture) it might be more benificial to use Night Mother's Gaze when soloing. Also something to keep in mind when Surpise Attack loses it.Edited by Everstorm on April 21, 2019 5:54PM1 -
Vuylstekeara✭✭✭✭Vuylstekeara wrote: »I like Toothrow. I usually play solo and I am to stingy to use potions all the time, so it's maybe not the most efficient, but the more comfortable set.
Depending on your class (access to major fracture) it might be more benificial to use Night Mother's Gaze when soloing. Also something to keep in mind when Surpise Attack loses it.
I use the set on a NB. Night Mother's Gaze is something to keep in mind for the time after the patch. I'll need to rearrange a few things once the patch is live anyway, but for now I'll keep Toothrow."The paper is balanced, but nerf the rock!"
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XxCaLxX✭✭✭✭✭I prefer Leviathan over Toothrow. You can stack Leviathan's crit with Major Savagery from Expert Hunter
^This. Leviathan is right on par with advancing yokeda even better if you don’t have vma bow or have trouble getting 3 seconds bow bar rotation. Ppl should wear what they want but too throw is quite useless when a potion can give you same effect. I know potions get expensive but even still why waste a 5 piece for what one skill can give.
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max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have toothrow on one character and hunting’s on another.I prefer Leviathan over Toothrow. You can stack Leviathan's crit with Major Savagery from Expert Hunter
^This. Leviathan is right on par with advancing yokeda even better if you don’t have vma bow or have trouble getting 3 seconds bow bar rotation. Ppl should wear what they want but too throw is quite useless when a potion can give you same effect. I know potions get expensive but even still why waste a 5 piece for what one skill can give.
Why waste a skill slot when you can always have the buff on? Expert hunter doesn’t help me in pve. And for the fighters guild passive I have rearming trap.
Anyway it depends on the class.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
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XxCaLxX✭✭✭✭✭I have toothrow on one character and hunting’s on another.I prefer Leviathan over Toothrow. You can stack Leviathan's crit with Major Savagery from Expert Hunter
^This. Leviathan is right on par with advancing yokeda even better if you don’t have vma bow or have trouble getting 3 seconds bow bar rotation. Ppl should wear what they want but too throw is quite useless when a potion can give you same effect. I know potions get expensive but even still why waste a 5 piece for what one skill can give.
Why waste a skill slot when you can always have the buff on? Expert hunter doesn’t help me in pve. And for the fighters guild passive I have rearming trap.
Anyway it depends on the class.
Because you lose much more from 5 pieces of gear than you would over one skill slot. If you could slot one skill that gave the same effect as 5th piece of VO would you still wear 5 piece of VO or slot that one skill? If someone so chooses to wear a set that’s their decision but they should also know something else is better.
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FlyingSwan✭✭✭✭✭I did get all of Toothrow in Divines because I originally thought along the same lines as the OP, but it's not all that for all the reasons above. I run Leviathan and Hundings and can complete all content using either pots or Hunter to get what I need.
But of course, there are many ways to skin a cat.Edited by FlyingSwan on April 21, 2019 10:06PM0 -
kongkim✭✭✭✭✭i use it on my NB WW
Only other option there is potions. and i hate to keep potions up. and it cost gold 0 -
ryzen_gamer_gal✭✭✭✭FlyingSwan wrote: »I did get all of Toothrow in Divines because I originally thought along the same lines as the OP, but it's not all that for all the reasons above. I run Leviathan and Hundings and can complete all content using either pots or Camo Hunter to get what I need.
But of course, there are many ways to skin a cat.
abuse of animals is unacceptable3 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have toothrow on one character and hunting’s on another.I prefer Leviathan over Toothrow. You can stack Leviathan's crit with Major Savagery from Expert Hunter
^This. Leviathan is right on par with advancing yokeda even better if you don’t have vma bow or have trouble getting 3 seconds bow bar rotation. Ppl should wear what they want but too throw is quite useless when a potion can give you same effect. I know potions get expensive but even still why waste a 5 piece for what one skill can give.
Why waste a skill slot when you can always have the buff on? Expert hunter doesn’t help me in pve. And for the fighters guild passive I have rearming trap.
Anyway it depends on the class.
There is a lot more you are giving up with a 5 piece set.
Most skill based sources of major savagery come with added unity to class passives.
Green lotus - minor toughness activation, increased healing % done, increased resource regen.
Biting jabs - minor protection, damage proc
Flames of oblivion - additional dot, magicka regen
Expert hunter - additional 3 percent weapon damage.
Really the only case where sets like toothrow, treasure hunter, rattlecage etc etc can even produce a consideration is in pvp where bar space is more crucial and missing or gaining a single ability will help enable a build entirely and you simultaneously really do not want to get rid of the paricular imov pot or lingering health pot you are running.
In pve there is no reason to not use savagery pots when pushing dps in harder group content. And in all other casual pve content, it doesnt even matter.Edited by exeeter702 on April 21, 2019 8:56PM1 -
ryzen_gamer_gal✭✭✭✭so it doesnt stack either. major savegry can only come from one source.. i cant use biting jabs and expert hunter and toothrow and stack it....0
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ryzen_gamer_gal✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »
Following that easy-going logic, go with toothrow and dreugh king and enjoy full-time buffs without fuss.ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »my tanks run 100% magicka with lighning and ice staff no problem
non-sequitur. wrong conversation0 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »so it doesnt stack either. major savegry can only come from one source.. i cant use biting jabs and expert hunter and toothrow and stack it....
Im not sure if that is a question..0 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »
Following that easy-going logic, go with toothrow and dreugh king and enjoy full-time buffs without fuss.ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »my tanks run 100% magicka with lighning and ice staff no problem
non-sequitur. wrong conversation
It is not wrong conversation. From what you wrote about tanking, I see you want to play how you want and not how meta requires. So if you don't want to bother with 100 gold pots each 45 seconds and you want to have free slots on the bar, toothrow+dreugh king will give you all the decent stats without necessity to slot them and re-cast each 20 seconds etc.3 -
Night_Child✭✭✭As Exeeter702 stated, Wayrest is the only way to collect Toothrow.
Now, as you know, you can play any which way you want. I do and solo most everything excluding some vet 4 mans and trials. I do not care for "meta builds" or garbage elitists. I do, however, care to have fun and so should you. With that said...
No, major savagery cannot stack with major savagery, but it can stack with minor savagery. If you're trying to determine what set to wear with YOUR OWN play style of skills, take a gander at your abilities. Do anyone of them on BOTH bars have major savagery? No? Then grab Toothrow. If they do contain major savagery, then like most said above, DO NOT grab Toothrow. Also, if your crit is sitting at 62-64% without Toothrow...also, DO NOT grab Toothrow. If you are a Stamina NB, Toothrow over Leviathan everyday. The hemorrhage passive + Toothrow will give you about 16% extra crit chance (no minor crit potion) vs NB wearing Leviathan + Expert Hunter (possibly taking up a slot thus messing up a rotation). This also applies to weapon damage and Dreugh King Slayer. Look at your passives and skills. If nothing appears to give you major brutality, then take DKS. Naked...I think it gives you more weapon damage than Hunding's Rage anyway by like 10 or 11 points. For those that don't want to wear heavy armor for DKS...jewelry and weapons will give you the 5 pieces you need while you can wear the armor type you so choose. As stated, look at the skills and passives first and see what you want to use. Then decide IF you need the gear or not...Edited by Night_Child on June 16, 2019 1:02PM1 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭I even prefer to jsut slot evil hunter on main bar than using toothrow and if you dont want to use crafted more expensive pots :P
I myself run on harder vet conent with friends and Im able to do every possible content on my stam char usign trash pots and major brutality from skill and savagery from evil hunter xD
ofc not everyone will inv me to every content like from just basic nobody progressing will inv melee stamina dd for vCR+3 etc...but if I have people who trust me I can do every conten in this game using this cheep set for using trash pots xD
otherway Im exp enough to do this content and no...with this setup to use trash pots..not being forced to use craft pots I still do enough dps so it isnt specially low in group, its just enough to be acceptable everywhere and no need to use craft pots as you seems to not want use them also as you was considering to just use set for crit xD0 -
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✭✭✭ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »Toothrow
LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) Adds 100 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Gain Major Savagery at all times, increasing your Weapon Critical rating by 2191.
Hunding's Rage
LEVEL 50 - CP 160
Type Craftable
Set bonus
(2 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) Adds 299 Weapon Damage
So the only clear advatage hundings has is that it's craftable (so you can make it training and help you level up) and it does 199 base damage more
Toothrow seems like the clear winner here as the major savagery will do you more good in the long run it appears to me. This seems like the set to get once you hit cp160, because it is an overland set and can be bought from the guild store and traded freely (before it is worn or transmuted). Useful when you are on your way to get beserking warrior and perfect arms of relequen
Do you want to use a skill slot, consumable, or item set to get major savagery?
Freeing up a skill slot and not relying on consumables can be pretty nice on it's own depending on the class.Edited by srfrogg23 on June 16, 2019 12:48PM0 -
Night_Child✭✭✭I even prefer to jsut slot evil hunter on main bar than using toothrow and if you dont want to use crafted more expensive pots :P
I myself run on harder vet conent with friends and Im able to do every possible content on my stam char usign trash pots and major brutality from skill and savagery from evil hunter xD
ofc not everyone will inv me to every content like from just basic nobody progressing will inv melee stamina dd for vCR+3 etc...but if I have people who trust me I can do every conten in this game using this cheep set for using trash pots xD
otherway Im exp enough to do this content and no...with this setup to use trash pots..not being forced to use craft pots I still do enough dps so it isnt specially low in group, its just enough to be acceptable everywhere and no need to use craft pots as you seems to not want use them also as you was considering to just use set for crit xD
Are you a NB? As a NB, taking up a slot with Evil Hunter is just as useless as having good crit and wasting a 5 piece set on Toothrow, lol. If you are a NB with low crit looking to up that crit chance, Toothrow is a better option than having EH on my bar, imho. Again, this also depends on the rotation. My Killers blade did 56k. That was the highest number I've ever seen on him and he did it only once, but still...I never have EH. It's just a waste in PVE. I admit, I quit PVP a while back, so I cannot speak for PVP as I mostly run PVE and only enter PVP for certain reasons, then leave. So yeah, it just really depends on the abilities the player is using.Edited by Night_Child on June 16, 2019 12:53PM0 -
Lisutaris✭✭✭✭✭ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »so it doesnt stack either. major savegry can only come from one source.. i cant use biting jabs and expert hunter and toothrow and stack it....
NO minor or major buffs can be stacked. Therefore, like many have already said, you should only use sets like toothrow IF you are ASBOLUTELY sure that there is no other source for it.
You should also remember that hundings with its ~300 weapon damage will get a 20% buff from major brutality (+20% weapon dmg).1 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I hNight_Child wrote: »I even prefer to jsut slot evil hunter on main bar than using toothrow and if you dont want to use crafted more expensive pots :P
I myself run on harder vet conent with friends and Im able to do every possible content on my stam char usign trash pots and major brutality from skill and savagery from evil hunter xD
ofc not everyone will inv me to every content like from just basic nobody progressing will inv melee stamina dd for vCR+3 etc...but if I have people who trust me I can do every conten in this game using this cheep set for using trash pots xD
otherway Im exp enough to do this content and no...with this setup to use trash pots..not being forced to use craft pots I still do enough dps so it isnt specially low in group, its just enough to be acceptable everywhere and no need to use craft pots as you seems to not want use them also as you was considering to just use set for crit xD
Are you a NB? As a NB, taking up a slot with Evil Hunter is just as useless as having good crit and wasting a 5 piece set on Toothrow, lol. If you are a NB with low crit looking to up that crit chance, Toothrow is a better option than having EH on my bar, imho. Again, this also depends on the rotation. My Killers blade did 56k. That was the highest number I've ever seen on him and he did it only once, but still...I never have EH. It's just a waste in PVE. I admit, I quit PVP a while back, so I cannot speak for PVP as I mostly run PVE and only enter PVP for certain reasons, then leave. So yeah, it just really depends on the abilities the player is using.
What are you on about? DPS is more then a single skill usage. It is fact you will get more DPS with hundings and using pots. Then hundings+Hunter. Then just using toothrow. Not really debatable. Though this really only applies to people that get 90k+ on the trial dummy, to normal people that get less then 30k that dummy, they won't see a difference. Personally I run toothrow on my Stam sorc and just double bar Hunter on my Stamblade, I get ~60k DPS on the trial dummy this way, which translates to about 30k actual DPS in dungeons.0 -
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✭If u are guildless, play solo, do mostly just pve, pug dungeons, and don't care to go beyond purple gear, then take toothrow or treasure hunter (magicka).
This is because you will likely have no reliable way to get it from others, have better stats with it and having that extra slot on your bar can greatly increase your self sufficiency in utility or dps while soloing or in pugs.
And if you're the above type, you also avoid the hassle of needing to use potions.
Edit: Although I would compare Toothrow to Leviathan and Hunding to Briarheart. No reason you can't use Toothrow and Hundings together.Edited by oddbasket on June 16, 2019 1:58PM1
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