THE POOR CYRODIIL TOURIST

JD2013 · April 2019

Well let's go on the flip side of it and say that anyone in a PVP zone should be fighting for their faction, defending keeps, coordinating with teams and not trying to avoid it.

The faction pop locks at the min are filled with people not doing PVP. Cyrodiil is, after all, a PVP zone.

This is the reason why I would advocate for a PVE Cyrodiil. Because people want to be tourists and not aid the war and it is incredibly frustrating to see, and we need to increase populations (especially DC side) of people fighting.

General_Zeranth · April 2019

Stuff like the rampant ganking of "Tourists" is why I avoid PvP like its got the plague unless I'm fishing then I just sneak from place to place and ghost myself behind some big rocks when an enemy player approaches. >-<

I'll just wait till the final week and use whatever dailies I please to catch up on my missing pages. I'd rather not deal with the stress of being forced into PvP for an event.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · April 2019

How to get through pvp event...with a sword.

Pajor · April 2019

Eventually you will run into someone who will let you get the quest. I PvP with pve gear as I do pve more and had a nice EP member let me go in and get the quests and left me alone. But originally we fought first and nobody won. I don't agree with making areas safe. It's a war after all.

TequilaFire · April 2019

Solution - Only drop reward boxes on the real PvP dailies at the gate and not the town dailies.
Then everyone is forced into PvP activities and turn ins are safe at the gate.

Ri_Khan · April 2019

Say what now?!?! You got some sand in your crevasses and your entitlement's flaring up?

Sorry, but you are not guaranteed event boxes.

Ash_In_My_Sujamma · April 2019

Shall I play the world's saddest violin while reading this post? Shall I accompany my reading with "The beggar prince"?

visionality · April 2019

marius_buys wrote: »

Surely, surely there is something that can be done to minimize the pure toxic behavior during a festival where there is an influx of the "Cyrodiil Tourists"?

@marius_buys There is something very simple to be done: dont place PVE farming events in PVP zones. I think this is one of the most stupid ideas I've seen from ZOS in a very long time. (Actually my impression is that they didnt think at all...).

Apart from that, maybe you should start your complaint by stating which campaign you were joining. If you went to one of the new campaigns, I understand frustration because by definition there shouldn't be any real PVPers there (they should be PVPing in the existing campaigns).

If you went to Vivec, Shor or Sotha Sil for your PVE dailies,you deserve being killed. These campaigns are active PVP campaigns with active campaign scores and PVPers there have all right in the world to be frustrated because queues are endless, organized raids have become impossible, and on top the PVEers that take away the PVP places of their friends to do some PVE stuffy complain about being killed by PVPers and believe its their 'holy right' to move through PVP places without being attacked by players from opposing alliances.

Hippie4927 · April 2019

visionality wrote: »

marius_buys wrote: »

Surely, surely there is something that can be done to minimize the pure toxic behavior during a festival where there is an influx of the "Cyrodiil Tourists"?

@marius_buys There is something very simple to be done: dont place PVE farming events in PVP zones. I think this is one of the most stupid ideas I've seen from ZOS in a very long time. (Actually my impression is that they didnt think at all...).

Apart from that, maybe you should start your complaint by stating which campaign you were joining. If you went to one of the new campaigns, I understand frustration because by definition there shouldn't be any real PVPers there (they should be PVPing in the existing campaigns).

If you went to Vivec, Shor or Sotha Sil for your PVE dailies,you deserve being killed. These campaigns are active PVP campaigns with active campaign scores and PVPers there have all right in the world to be frustrated because queues are endless, organized raids have become impossible, and on top the PVEers that take away the PVP places of their friends to do some PVE stuffy complain about being killed by PVPers and believe its their 'holy right' to move through PVP places without being attacked by players from opposing alliances.

I don't know why so many people consider these to be "PVE farming events". When you are farming in a warzone, it is a PVP event. Just because it is a town quest, doesn't change the fact that you are in a warzone.

Cursa · April 2019

FR0STDEE wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

No, you chose to go into a PvP zone and you get farmed. Cry about it.
Don’t like it? Don’t go into cyro

Next time your queuing in dungeon finder trying to level the undaunted line for your new pvp character, I hope you have full pve gear and skills equiped or you might just get vote kicked. Dont come to pve areas in you pvp gear please.

As someone who despises pve as much as you seem to despise pvp, yes I have to gear up. All a pve player needs from pvp is a few skills that can be earnt by standing on a wall with a trebuchet for a few hours, and an event that you don’t ‘need’ but want to do 1 week out of 52.

To not be a liability in pve I’ve had to buy sets for multiple characters, learn rotations, get dps above 40k on all characters, craft gold divines gear and grind skill points and skills. All so I’m not a liability when I go into content I need to do even if I don’t enjoy it.
By the way to unlock the gear needed for pvp I’ve probably completed dungeons in the multiple thousands and also trials in the hundreds. None of which I enjoy but I have to do to farm randomised drop chances of gear. And to unlock undaunted rank 9.

Don’t be a liability just gear up the same way we have to and get prepared, maybe practice a little... or just don’t do it because loot boxes aren’t required.

Shadow-Fighter · April 2019

Zacuel wrote: »

You know how in the movie 'jaws' they pushed for the tourists to get in the water anyway?

Well... That's what happens.

I think they are Vampires in Blade II

Eirella · April 2019

How about no.

visionality · April 2019

Hippie4927 wrote: »

I don't know why so many people consider these to be "PVE farming events". When you are farming in a warzone, it is a PVP event. Just because it is a town quest, doesn't change the fact that you are in a warzone.

Because "grab 5 mushrooms from the delve XX and bring them back to quest giver" is clearly a PVE quest. All village quests are PVE quest, not one is demanding that you capture an outpost, kill another player or anything. And if you add up numbers, you will realize that the daily PVE quests in Cyrodiil by far outnumber the available PVP quests (and only take a fraction of time and even less skill). So by all rights, this is a PVE farming event in a PVP zone.

Which ofc it should not be, as we probably can both agree.

Ysbriel · April 2019

Is it frustrating? yes, its it logical to expect to be a soldier in the middle of a battlefield and be safe? NO. The has obviously been divided by different aspects of the game, we did crafting, we did PvE and now its time to PvP. Should they think about putting a special quest giver inside the alliance area for a better pick up and return? perhaps

Hippie4927 · April 2019

visionality wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

I don't know why so many people consider these to be "PVE farming events". When you are farming in a warzone, it is a PVP event. Just because it is a town quest, doesn't change the fact that you are in a warzone.

Because "grab 5 mushrooms from the delve XX and bring them back to quest giver" is clearly a PVE quest. All village quests are PVE quest, not one is demanding that you capture an outpost, kill another player or anything. And if you add up numbers, you will realize that the daily PVE quests in Cyrodiil by far outnumber the available PVP quests (and only take a fraction of time and even less skill). So by all rights, this is a PVE farming event in a PVP zone.

Which ofc it should not be, as we probably can both agree.

No, I don't agree. When you are in a PVP zone, everything is PVP. I don't care if you are just picking flowers, you're in a warzone and are not safe. By your logic, I should be able to go to Cyrodiil and fish and be safe, farm mats and be safe, do delves and be safe, etc. But you're not safe because everything you do in a warzone is a risk including town quests.

marius_buys · April 2019

Well whats happening now is that the gankers are drawing actual PvP players and a new term was coined when someone said let's go kill the "quest-blockers", awesome.

marius_buys · April 2019

visionality wrote: »

marius_buys wrote: »

Surely, surely there is something that can be done to minimize the pure toxic behavior during a festival where there is an influx of the "Cyrodiil Tourists"?

@marius_buys There is something very simple to be done: dont place PVE farming events in PVP zones. I think this is one of the most stupid ideas I've seen from ZOS in a very long time. (Actually my impression is that they didnt think at all...).

Apart from that, maybe you should start your complaint by stating which campaign you were joining. If you went to one of the new campaigns, I understand frustration because by definition there shouldn't be any real PVPers there (they should be PVPing in the existing campaigns).

If you went to Vivec, Shor or Sotha Sil for your PVE dailies,you deserve being killed. These campaigns are active PVP campaigns with active campaign scores and PVPers there have all right in the world to be frustrated because queues are endless, organized raids have become impossible, and on top the PVEers that take away the PVP places of their friends to do some PVE stuffy complain about being killed by PVPers and believe its their 'holy right' to move through PVP places without being attacked by players from opposing alliances.

I was specifically referring to the new campaigns.

Verbal_Earthworm · April 2019

I tried out PVP now that the event is there, not doing quests just trying to kill enemy players, just to see if i could.

I was trying to kill some "quest-blockers" in Bruma for an hour or two and I had to give up such a futile task.

The problem is that wearing PVE gear and using PVE skills prevents you from doing any serious damage to a PVPer with the right gear and skills.

The players in PVE gear just get mowed down like so much grass.

I realised I would have to make new gear for PVP and also rejig my skills and champion points before even standing a chance.

Then I wondered if it was really worth the effort.

Still wondering.

Catulo · April 2019

It's interesting--almost entertaining--to see how many PvPler here think that they're somehow superior to PvEler. That's not just pitiful, but definitely wrong. You're different at best.

I'd like to see those of the PvPler here who pound their chests, together with my group in a veteran DLC dungeon. I assume that it would be rather entertaining in most cases, just not for them.

kargen27 · April 2019

Reverb wrote: »

I bet you’d vacation in Syria, then complain to the government for not making it safer. If you want to play war tourist, you accept the risk of death.

Previously the towns weren’t part of the alliance war transit system. Now they are, making them strategically important. Quester don’t get a pass at war objectives.

What is happening now isn't part of any objective other than causing grief to others. They aren't capturing the objective as part of the campaign. They are hiding and waiting for an unsuspecting player to come by they can easily kill. They don't want to flip the flags. They want players doing the quest to think it is safe so they can get an easy kill. Most of them run if there is a real fight.
My guess is most the trolls are really poor PvP'rs and this event is the only way they can get any kills. There are a few that are actually decent at PvP and that makes their behavior all the more pathetic.

DLM · April 2019

Elong wrote: »

"WEEK 3
April 18 at 10:00AM EDT– April 25 at 10:00AM EDT

Fight your fellow players! Complete Alliance War and Battlegrounds daily quests to earn Gift Boxes that have a chance to also include Abnur Tharn Outfit Style pages. This includes Cyrodiil Town dailies, all Board missions, the Cyrodiil dailies, the Battlegrounds dailies, and Imperial City dailies."

First sentence.

"FIGHT YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS!"

Funny how town dailies are pure PvE. Where does fighting your fellow players fit to get gift boxes in towns?

zaria · April 2019

Mayrael wrote: »

Mate we have a "PvP" event where you can get boxes from doing PvE, don't whine, next time make it strictly PvP event so PvE care bears won't cry that somebody distrubs them while they are questing - they simply won't be able to do anything, thus they will not participate in event and won't be disturbed. Simple solution.

I know Marius as he is guild leader in Golden clover.
He is mostly an PvP player as I know him, does lots of events and stuff but mostly find him doing PvP.
Was with an guild group Thursday doing an guild run with the town quests, it was loads of ganking attempts and trolling.
We gave up and did PvP instead as it was more fun.
Had been on today had it not been family stuff going on

JumpmanLane · April 2019

marius_buys wrote: »

Attention
ZOS_MattFiror
ZOS_GinaBruno

Strange how things change...

Surely, surely there is something that can be done to minimize the pure toxic behavior during a festival where there is an influx of the "Cyrodiil Tourists"?

Previously serious PvP players would, in general, let questers be, especially around quest hubs but omw how different it is this time during the anniversary event.
BUT WITH THIS EVENT groups of 30+ gankers wait in ambush or harass players who are completely out of their depth and all they do is give someone who might have thought about joining the campaign war a firm resolution to never do so.

IDEAS:
- Placing a circle of sanctuary around quest givers similar to what players have when going through a door in Imperial City.
- Lower the AP value to almost nothing around the Cyrodiil towns for the duration of the event.

Thoughts, experiences, ideas, suggestions to desalt Cyrodiil for the period of the event?

Admin please...

That’s silly. Nobody told me that PvP and PvE were separate games when I started. One day while minding my business at level 10 I got an email about Cyro. I went. I died...a lot. In an effort to get better at the game, I stuck with it until I could kill VASTLY more people than ever kill me. I receive hate tells ( from dead people) EVERYDAY.

NOBODY cut me any breaks when I was a level 10 dorking around Vivec. I didn’t ask for any quarter and none was given. I’m dead sure I never WHINED about it.

Nemeliom · April 2019

Sure, and when pvpers go to pve trials, make mobs and bosses hit for 5% of real damage. Because it's really unfair to go to a dungeon when you are used to having 20k+ HP and suddenly having 15k and being 1 shot by bosses because you don't know the mechanics.
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L2P

ApostateHobo · April 2019

Why are people defending the gankers? It's a *** move killing people that literally have zero chance to react because they're still loading in or something. Also if you guys hate pve so much, as I've seen a lot of people on these forums claim, why do you play this game at all? Even if it is an mmo it's still Elder Scrolls, which is you know, quest and exploration focused? If all you want is pvp why play an Elder Scrolls game?

Vandril · April 2019

Catulo wrote: »

It's interesting--almost entertaining--to see how many PvPler here think that they're somehow superior to PvEler. That's not just pitiful, but definitely wrong. You're different at best.

I'd like to see those of the PvPler here who pound their chests, together with my group in a veteran DLC dungeon. I assume that it would be rather entertaining in most cases, just not for them.

I agree with you.

And the EXACT same thing can be said about PvE players in most situations.

People really aught to stop "content shaming", if you will, and just let people enjoy what they enjoy.

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Don't like PvP, but want the event rewards during the only PvP event week of the 5-week event? Farm gold for a few hours and buy them from the PvPers who earn them and post them on guild stores. Want to earn them yourself? Prepare to go into the PvP zone, participate in PVP, die a lot like all PvPers do, and complete quests all the while.

Want to earn them yourself but have PvPers leave you alone because you don't want to PvP? "I'm only here for the rewards"? Too bad. If someone queues for a dungeon and AFKs or wanders around aimlessly exploring the dungeon saying "leave me alone, I'm only here for the rewards", then you know they'll be kicked. So why it is okay for anyone to queue for a PvP instance and expect to not have to participate in the content with the other players who also queued for the content?

If you don't like PvP, that's perfectly fine, but stay out of PvP content such as the entirety of Cyrodiil. Why would you spend hours doing an activity you actively dislike in order to attain rewards you could just farm gold for a few hours to buy? Isn't the latter option the far less painful of the two for you?

Matchimus · April 2019

Matchimus wrote: »

You can do 10 to 20 quests in the general safety of lands controlled by your faction. More requires some patience and a willingness to be try & outsmart an AI smarter than any computer AI.

I take part of this back...actually all of it. It is depressing when I am getting ganked just outside my base camp. The map is a sea of blue and I am nowhere near the AP to change server.

drkfrontiers · April 2019

All I can say is thank God all the cr@p gear is stuck behind Cyrodiil.

visionality · April 2019

Catulo wrote: »

It's interesting--almost entertaining--to see how many PvPler here think that they're somehow superior to PvEler. That's not just pitiful, but definitely wrong. You're different at best.

I'd like to see those of the PvPler here who pound their chests, together with my group in a veteran DLC dungeon. I assume that it would be rather entertaining in most cases, just not for them.

Two misconceptions:

First, no PVPer here has claimed to be superior to PVEers. Although quite a lot are amused or sarcastic about PVEers going into a PVP zone and then complaining about being attacked by enemy players.
Second, every PVPer has done his share of vet dungeons just to reach the undaunted level he needs for PVP. Every higher ranking PVPer has farmed the vet DLC dungeons for monster helmets like Earthgore, Velidreth and the likes. Most have done the vet trials too for some of the best gear in the game. Many have done vMA and vDSA to farm the best weapons for PVP.

So your might be quite suprised how 'inferior' those dumb PVPers are when running through a vet dungeon with you and your buddies. You might even end up being carried by them.

marius_buys · April 2019

The Quest-blockettes were out in full force again today but a sure thing is the old tactical axiom: If they know where you are - don't be there.

Each time we were engaged we just relocated, no problem. Reaching the box limit rather quickly is easy if you stay out of getting baited to go toe to toe with ganker inc. They just waste your time if you fight them.