universal_wrath wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

My stamblade is doing just fine on PTS.
It will separate those that know how to play a brawler blade from those that don't.

Thank you, just how sorcs keeps getting nerfs each patch but still rise up, nb should now learn the same thing

Gilvoth wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

My stamblade is doing just fine on PTS.
It will separate those that know how to play a brawler blade from those that don't.

Glad to hear you're doing fine with the changes. But your post seems to indicate that brawler blade is the only viable (or legitimate?) build option for PVP NB. What about the rest of us that want to play differently?

exactly
well said
many people like myself love the stealth gameplay and Bow. stealth archer playstlye.
we dont fight toe to toe.

Every class has playstyles that have been nerfed and people wishing they could bring them back; they either adapted, or in most cases, unsurprisingly changed class until their favourite was effortlessly strong again.

The playstyle you are talking about is one of, if not, the easiest playstyle in game and has rewarded unskilled players far too much for far too long.

dazee wrote: »

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

dazee wrote: »

Nightblade will now underperform, I hope you nerf hounds are happy you ruined a class you never play and don't care about.

Class is now number 2 behind Necro. Boohoo. It was overperforming.

Totally why you'll never get very high dps with it without using dw/bow caltrops meta cheese. (nightblade)

I mean you'll barely break 20k regardless, I really don't see why your opinion is worth anything.

Pro players with time will adapt and Change Class. Causals perhaps with only one chars will punished.

thankyourat wrote: »

DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

cloak is fine.
you cant hurt anyone with cloak, all cloak does is a defense and escape. '
sorc shields you CAN still damage and kill people with it active,
cloak you cant do that, all cloak can do is keep us escape and hidden, if you remove that we will die, the class will be destroyed.
you do anything to harm or change cloak and it will no longer be a stealth class.

Can't believe this even got so many agrees, says a lot about people on the forums :-D
The ability to escape a fight is not nothing as you're trying to express and maybe you should also mention that cloak is suppressing DoTs while you are still able to heal up.

They should increase the base cost of Shadow Cloak and reduce it's cost for each piece of light armor worn. (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/469406/increase-base-cost-of-shadow-cloak-then-reduce-cost-for-each-piece-of-light-armor-worn#latest)

The very good stam NBs like Sniker and a few more will adapt, bad ones will have to learn to play, seems fair to me.

What you wrote also says alot about your understanding of ESO as well. Every class in ESO needs a way to mitigate damage while still being able to heal. A nightblade doesn't have access to any healing buffs in the class kit so if you were to take dot damage when cloaked you would basically never be able to heal especially when outnumbered because the dot damage would always be consistently talking more damage than they could recover from because they would have no way to protect their health.

Other classes have access to multiple healing buffs like Stam dk which allow you to out heal incoming damage stamplar can just purge dots away. Stamina Warden has access to every defensive buff in the game. Magicka sorcs have shields which allow them to heal full while protecting their health. Then when you look at the classes with horrible ways to regain health magblade and stamsorc you quickly realize they are so bad because they are so squishy due to lack of healing and defensive abilities. Your change to cloak would do nothing but put stamblade at the bottom with those two classes.

Instead of going all out on dmg, nb should try to aim for more defense setup, for example wearing troll king or blood spawn. If you are a vamp, then that's on you. Try to use malubath, earthgore and so on. Be it stam or mag, you can use sets to help you heal and sustain, just look at stam sorcs.

TequilaFire wrote: »

My stamblade is doing just fine on PTS.
It will separate those that know how to play a brawler blade from those that don't.

@tequilaFire So what about Mageblades?

david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »

Most of the cloack defence argument makes little to no sense to me.

Anti cloacker don't ask for the first appliance of the skill to be nerfed but rather would not like it to be spammable.

Then cloak lover claim it shouldn't be since there is so many way to counter cloak that multiple use against non noob-lazy is not doable anyway.

Well if its actualy the case then why being so hard against mecanic that would prevent the spam ?

Noob-lazy player should be an easy target anyway so basically nothing would change.

But the class need it to be spammable because how many time you press cloak and work at the forst try?not much i tell you.
Also the NBdon't have a strong shield or mitigation or healing.

By making the skill not spammable you make the nb a free kill to everyone,unlike streak cloak do have a lot of counter that stop the skill from working unlike streak that at best help you close the gap not stopping him to escape or move in a better/safe location.

Since there are many way to break it(like you said too)why we need to make the skill actually useless?because the lazy-noob will fail to break it?well the game should not be balanced around people that don't even know how to play it.

Alredy said it before but on my dk i can break cloak no problem with spiked armor and even breath or a well timed leap and usually i get the kill especially if im not alone.

Seem like you just want to break cloak 1/2 time and get the kill,maybe youre on of those lazy-noob?

And for last are you really saying "since lazy-noob are free kill cloak can be nerfed" for real?
And what about playing against good player?i guess is not important you can still kill the noob-lazy player.

Then make shield,heal,wings whatever skill cost 50% more everycast after all the "noob-lazy" player is not a problem anyways

@universal_wrath yeah so do streak,wings bol etc but those don't have skill potion etc that dispell them from the caster or even prevent to be casted again if youre on aoe or debuffed by magelight etc.
And attacking from cloak don't stun the target unless you open with surprise attack/concealed weapon or crouch while cloaked out of combat.
The combo from cloak don't work much against player that know to play most of the time if you do that it will get dodged or blocked.

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »

Most of the cloack defence argument makes little to no sense to me.

Anti cloacker don't ask for the first appliance of the skill to be nerfed but rather would not like it to be spammable.

Then cloak lover claim it shouldn't be since there is so many way to counter cloak that multiple use against non noob-lazy is not doable anyway.

Well if its actualy the case then why being so hard against mecanic that would prevent the spam ?

Noob-lazy player should be an easy target anyway so basically nothing would change.

But the class need it to be spammable because how many time you press cloak and work at the forst try?not much i tell you.
Also the NBdon't have a strong shield or mitigation or healing.

By making the skill not spammable you make the nb a free kill to everyone,unlike streak cloak do have a lot of counter that stop the skill from working unlike streak that at best help you close the gap not stopping him to escape or move in a better/safe location.

Since there are many way to break it(like you said too)why we need to make the skill actually useless?because the lazy-noob will fail to break it?well the game should not be balanced around people that don't even know how to play it.

Alredy said it before but on my dk i can break cloak no problem with spiked armor and even breath or a well timed leap and usually i get the kill especially if im not alone.

Seem like you just want to break cloak 1/2 time and get the kill,maybe youre on of those lazy-noob?

And for last are you really saying "since lazy-noob are free kill cloak can be nerfed" for real?
And what about playing against good player?i guess is not important you can still kill the noob-lazy player.

Then make shield,heal,wings whatever skill cost 50% more everycast after all the "noob-lazy" player is not a problem anyways

@universal_wrath yeah so do streak,wings bol etc but those don't have skill potion etc that dispell them from the caster or even prevent to be casted again if youre on aoe or debuffed by magelight etc.
And attacking from cloak don't stun the target unless you open with surprise attack/concealed weapon or crouch while cloaked out of combat.
The combo from cloak don't work much against player that know to play most of the time if you do that it will get dodged or blocked.

I would rather use potion on resources than wasting it on finding invisible people, because you run out of resources pretty quick in non cp combat

Nb will be a useless class in update 22 if these class butchering nerfs go live wouldn’t even hurt hvy builds with the lack of damage you will have your better of playing a mag sorc that is not balance

Marcus684 wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

Good. Now maybe all the folks who just couldn't deal with NB's will stop spamming nerf threads and feel better about themselves.

Looking forward to the next nerf sorc threads, they will be much louder regardless if they are warranted or not, of that I have no doubt.

Just curious. Why do NBs always deflect to sorcs when discussing which builds are OP? It’s like they al have this knee jerk reflex to do this.

From observation it's usually sorcs who are constantly trying to get NB's nerfed into the ground. I don't play NB. Haven't in years since I switched to sorc. None of these nerfs affect me.

Raudgrani wrote: »

A stamblade typically take out strategic targets, or the bad ones take out easy targets. They rarely belong to "farming groups". If you are unaware and careless, they can kill you for sure. But it's a warzone, you are not supposed to be careless and wander around feeling safe, are you?

I have this Nord stamplar, with 2H/Resto, and I got bullied by this pretty strong 2 man group of stamblades that typically run together. I didn't manage to kill them (how could I even really try, when one guard the other as soon as I try? I'm not that good...), but they were nowhere near killing me either. Coordinating fear and double incap, Surprise attack spam and what not - no teabagging for you lads, get outta here. LOL
Yes I admit I was pretty stuck in that place, inside my protective measures. As soon as I tried to leave, a dozen or so Poison Injections in my behind. They needed backup from a Dizzy Swing spamming DK to actually kill me, I'm sure they brought him there. Guys like those doesn't take no for an answer, and walk away from unfinished business for me to brag about.

Point is, you don't NEED to kill them nightblades, and if you put some effort into it, they will hardly kill you either. A bit like PVP tanks, they are really annoying, but not too important. Now that Snipe (and fear?) gets the nerf treatment (bad decision, they should have FIXED the skill instead), there's not much you can do as a NB, that can't be countered.

Thank you now imagine how weak stamblade is in update 22 😔