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Nightblade is Overperforming no More
universal_wrath
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I appreciate ZOS for listening to the community and adjjusting some of the abilities for the nightblade. It was long over due, but too many changes at one time is very hard to deal with.
RIP stamblade pvp.
1 more thing is cloak, as I bleive it should be dealt with like steak, 50%penalty or maybe keep it as it is but prevent the garnteed crit strike. This should be change instead of the minor berserk.
RIP stamblade pvp.
1 more thing is cloak, as I bleive it should be dealt with like steak, 50%penalty or maybe keep it as it is but prevent the garnteed crit strike. This should be change instead of the minor berserk.
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭cloak is fine.
you cant hurt anyone with cloak, all cloak does is a defense and escape. '
sorc shields you CAN still damage and kill people with it active,
cloak you cant do that, all cloak can do is keep us escape and hidden, if you remove that we will die, the class will be destroyed.
you do anything to harm or change cloak and it will no longer be a stealth class.19 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nightblade will now underperform, I hope you nerf hounds are happy you ruined a class you never play and don't care about.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.38 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »
Totally why you'll never get very high dps with it without using dw/bow caltrops meta cheese. (nightblade)Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.1 -
killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Here we go again lol
Streak got the cost increase because there are only soft counter and can still be sustained with dark deal.
Streak works all the time,there is no potion or skill that stop the sorc from streaking and waste his magika.
Also aoe are not making streak useless.
If cloak break youre still there and snare make really easy to break it and cloak got many counters in the game alredy.
On my sNB i have no aoe yet i kill other nb just fine,same on my mageblade(after path nerf)on my sorc streak and curse do a nice job too on my dk spiked armor work too.
Those are just few example of class ability that everyone use that works against cloak.
Dunno why people keep throwing this suggestion when they are two different skill in different class kit
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Edited by killingspreeb16_ESO on April 17, 2019 5:10PM20 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My stamblade is doing just fine on PTS.
It will separate those that know how to play a brawler blade from those that don't.10 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »My stamblade is doing just fine on PTS.
It will separate those that know how to play a brawler blade from those that don't.
Thank you, just how sorcs keeps getting nerfs each patch but still rise up, nb should now learn the same thing12 -
Dalsinthus✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »My stamblade is doing just fine on PTS.
It will separate those that know how to play a brawler blade from those that don't.
Glad to hear you're doing fine with the changes. But your post seems to indicate that brawler blade is the only viable (or legitimate?) build option for PVP NB. What about the rest of us that want to play differently?
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universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »Here we go again lol
Streak got the cost increase because there are only soft counter and can still be sustained with dark deal.
Streak works all the time,there is no potion or skill that stop the sorc from streaking and waste his magika.
Also aoe are not making streak useless.
If cloak break youre still there and snare make really easy to break it and cloak got many counters in the game alredy.
On my sNB i have no aoe yet i kill other nb just fine,same on my mageblade(after path nerf)on my sorc streak and curse do a nice job too on my dk spiked armor work too.
Those are just few example of class ability that everyone use that works against cloak.
Dunno why people keep throwing this suggestion when they are two different skill in different class kit .
You are correct, they are from two different classes. Yet, steak always work so do all the incoming dmg during streak, and streak is not sustainable in BY DARK DEAL IN BGs, also NBs have there own sustain ability to work with. All gap closer and stuns and range attacks effect you if you are streaking, also lets not forget how far streak was take you. Now you do'nt even have to use gap closers to catch streakers, you can just out run them. Streak is way weaker than it used to be.2 -
bardx86✭✭✭✭✭
✭universal_wrath wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »Here we go again lol
Streak got the cost increase because there are only soft counter and can still be sustained with dark deal.
Streak works all the time,there is no potion or skill that stop the sorc from streaking and waste his magika.
Also aoe are not making streak useless.
If cloak break youre still there and snare make really easy to break it and cloak got many counters in the game alredy.
On my sNB i have no aoe yet i kill other nb just fine,same on my mageblade(after path nerf)on my sorc streak and curse do a nice job too on my dk spiked armor work too.
Those are just few example of class ability that everyone use that works against cloak.
Dunno why people keep throwing this suggestion when they are two different skill in different class kit .
You are correct, they are from two different classes. Yet, steak always work so do all the incoming dmg during streak, and streak is not sustainable in BY DARK DEAL IN BGs, also NBs have there own sustain ability to work with. All gap closer and stuns and range attacks effect you if you are streaking, also lets not forget how far streak was take you. Now you do'nt even have to use gap closers to catch streakers, you can just out run them. Streak is way weaker than it used to be.
Exactly, streak does not make you avoid all damage tossed your way. You can spend like12,000 magicka and get knock down and killed. It's a crap shoot most of the time. If anything the cost increase should be removed.3 -
Datthaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭universal_wrath wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »Here we go again lol
Streak got the cost increase because there are only soft counter and can still be sustained with dark deal.
Streak works all the time,there is no potion or skill that stop the sorc from streaking and waste his magika.
Also aoe are not making streak useless.
If cloak break youre still there and snare make really easy to break it and cloak got many counters in the game alredy.
On my sNB i have no aoe yet i kill other nb just fine,same on my mageblade(after path nerf)on my sorc streak and curse do a nice job too on my dk spiked armor work too.
Those are just few example of class ability that everyone use that works against cloak.
Dunno why people keep throwing this suggestion when they are two different skill in different class kit .
You are correct, they are from two different classes. Yet, steak always work so do all the incoming dmg during streak, and streak is not sustainable in BY DARK DEAL IN BGs, also NBs have there own sustain ability to work with. All gap closer and stuns and range attacks effect you if you are streaking, also lets not forget how far streak was take you. Now you do'nt even have to use gap closers to catch streakers, you can just out run them. Streak is way weaker than it used to be.
Pfft so is cloak. Guess you didn't play when purge cloak was a thing. And to compare dd to siphon strikes is a joke4 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »My stamblade is doing just fine on PTS.
It will separate those that know how to play a brawler blade from those that don't.
Thank you, just how sorcs keeps getting nerfs each patch but still rise up, nb should now learn the same thing
thats not balance, thats revenge, and hate.13 -
killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »Here we go again lol
Streak got the cost increase because there are only soft counter and can still be sustained with dark deal.
Streak works all the time,there is no potion or skill that stop the sorc from streaking and waste his magika.
Also aoe are not making streak useless.
If cloak break youre still there and snare make really easy to break it and cloak got many counters in the game alredy.
On my sNB i have no aoe yet i kill other nb just fine,same on my mageblade(after path nerf)on my sorc streak and curse do a nice job too on my dk spiked armor work too.
Those are just few example of class ability that everyone use that works against cloak.
Dunno why people keep throwing this suggestion when they are two different skill in different class kit .
You are correct, they are from two different classes. Yet, steak always work so do all the incoming dmg during streak, and streak is not sustainable in BY DARK DEAL IN BGs, also NBs have there own sustain ability to work with. All gap closer and stuns and range attacks effect you if you are streaking, also lets not forget how far streak was take you. Now you do'nt even have to use gap closers to catch streakers, you can just out run them. Streak is way weaker than it used to be.
I find that dark deal help alot with the sustain also i use lightning form for the movement speed to alternate and sorc got shield as defense too,the class are too different imo to give the same treatment to cloak.
Also cloak is weaker too before used to make heal crit and vigor for example did not break cloak.
Also i forgot before but they can remove the 100% crit tbh and replace with the 25% movement speed from CW and give CW a new morph that might help melee mNB better.1 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dalsinthus wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »My stamblade is doing just fine on PTS.
It will separate those that know how to play a brawler blade from those that don't.
Glad to hear you're doing fine with the changes. But your post seems to indicate that brawler blade is the only viable (or legitimate?) build option for PVP NB. What about the rest of us that want to play differently?
exactly
well said
many people like myself love the stealth gameplay and Bow. stealth archer playstlye.
we dont fight toe to toe.0 -
Krec✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »Here we go again lol
Streak got the cost increase because there are only soft counter and can still be sustained with dark deal.
Streak works all the time,there is no potion or skill that stop the sorc from streaking and waste his magika.
Also aoe are not making streak useless.
If cloak break youre still there and snare make really easy to break it and cloak got many counters in the game alredy.
On my sNB i have no aoe yet i kill other nb just fine,same on my mageblade(after path nerf)on my sorc streak and curse do a nice job too on my dk spiked armor work too.
Those are just few example of class ability that everyone use that works against cloak.
Dunno why people keep throwing this suggestion when they are two different skill in different class kit .
You are correct, they are from two different classes. Yet, steak always work so do all the incoming dmg during streak, and streak is not sustainable in BY DARK DEAL IN BGs, also NBs have there own sustain ability to work with. All gap closer and stuns and range attacks effect you if you are streaking, also lets not forget how far streak was take you. Now you do'nt even have to use gap closers to catch streakers, you can just out run them. Streak is way weaker than it used to be.
well then we should change streak to make it more like cloak. remove stun and any damage associated with streak, make it less effective with aoes like caltrops2 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dalsinthus wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »My stamblade is doing just fine on PTS.
It will separate those that know how to play a brawler blade from those that don't.
Glad to hear you're doing fine with the changes. But your post seems to indicate that brawler blade is the only viable (or legitimate?) build option for PVP NB. What about the rest of us that want to play differently?
That is what I play, you will have to work out adaptive changes for your play style.
I can't answer for a NB tank as I never saw the class as being optimized for being a tank, except for maybe a sap tank in the old days.
As for stealthy play shadowy disguise was left alone, as a matter of fact I believe the duration got increased.
The snipe adjustments affect all classes including my stamplar.Edited by TequilaFire on April 17, 2019 5:57PM0 -
D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭These Anti Cloak posts need to stop. I don't even play my NB but the only time I have an issue breaking cloak is when the NB left the area. I see people alotting counters and using them correctly all the time. It's not even a L2P issue, they're just 1. Being lazy, or 2. Pissed at snipe.9 -
Huyen✭✭✭✭✭
✭universal_wrath wrote: »I appreciate ZOS for listening to the community and adjjusting some of the abilities for the nightblade. It was long over due, but too many changes at one time is very hard to deal with.
RIP stamblade pvp.
1 more thing is cloak, as I bleive it should be dealt with like steak, 50%penalty or maybe keep it as it is but prevent the garnteed crit strike. This should be change instead of the minor berserk.
Nerfing cloak for pvp will kill nightblades in pve. So rather not.Huyen Shadowpaw, dedicated nightblade tank - PS4 (Retired)
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Huyen Swiftpaw, dragonknight (no defined role yet)
"Failure is only the opportunity to begin again. Only this time, more wisely" - Uncle Iroh1 -
AMeanOne✭✭✭✭✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »
Totally why you'll never get very high dps with it without using dw/bow caltrops meta cheese. (nightblade)
What???2 -
Colecovision✭✭✭✭✭
✭universal_wrath wrote: »I appreciate ZOS for listening to the community and adjjusting some of the abilities for the nightblade. It was long over due, but too many changes at one time is very hard to deal with.
RIP stamblade pvp.
1 more thing is cloak, as I bleive it should be dealt with like steak, 50%penalty or maybe keep it as it is but prevent the garnteed crit strike. This should be change instead of the minor berserk.
Nerfing cloak for pvp will kill nightblades in pve. So rather not.
How? I play brawler blade because cloak and stealth are so useless in pve. Do you just mean sneaking around overland missions and stealing?
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xenowarrior92eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭dps wise...stamblade will do just fine...in pve we will finally put healers to work since right now they sleeping with their head on the springs button and nothing else...pvp wise... oh boi...you people call nerfs...all im seeing are opportunities...to make y'all grovel even more...its ok...quit playing nb...il be there to show you how is done...true nightblades never give up...when they nerf us...we adapt...and prevail...
however the only real nerf is on dark cloak healing for pve tanking...why? erm idk...all other classes have burst healing for obvious reasons...instead to nb they made it worse than it was literally on the edge with 3.5 seconds now its the exact same effect...only that its over 8 damn seconds...which makes it completely unusable and utter garbage...bear in mind that this is for tanks perspective only with a minimum of 40k hp...dds and healers can just delete the skill cuz there is no point...and for tanking its simply...meh...better use DKs demigods...cuz that's how things go right? "Play the way you want...btw DK tanks NB must be only stamblade...Sorc is the true magDD...Warden is the beerholder and Necromancer is our milk...until it dries...then we nerfstrike it as well dont worry...
I agree though with the guy who said that now stamblade will no longer be the class for everybody...since now its really dependant on the player...on how to play/move/position...not just head ramming stuff...time will tell though.1 -
purple-magicb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »My stamblade is doing just fine on PTS.
It will separate those that know how to play a brawler blade from those that don't.
Thank you, just how sorcs keeps getting nerfs each patch but still rise up, nb should now learn the same thing
I was just gonna say I'm getting a dejavu moment.I don't comment here often but when I do, I get [snip]0 -
Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »Here we go again lol
Streak got the cost increase because there are only soft counter and can still be sustained with dark deal.
Streak works all the time,there is no potion or skill that stop the sorc from streaking and waste his magika.
Also aoe are not making streak useless.
If cloak break youre still there and snare make really easy to break it and cloak got many counters in the game alredy.
On my sNB i have no aoe yet i kill other nb just fine,same on my mageblade(after path nerf)on my sorc streak and curse do a nice job too on my dk spiked armor work too.
Those are just few example of class ability that everyone use that works against cloak.
Dunno why people keep throwing this suggestion when they are two different skill in different class kit .
You are correct, they are from two different classes. Yet, steak always work so do all the incoming dmg during streak, and streak is not sustainable in BY DARK DEAL IN BGs, also NBs have there own sustain ability to work with. All gap closer and stuns and range attacks effect you if you are streaking, also lets not forget how far streak was take you. Now you do'nt even have to use gap closers to catch streakers, you can just out run them. Streak is way weaker than it used to be.
well then we should change streak to make it more like cloak. remove stun and any damage associated with streak, make it less effective with aoes like caltrops
And don't forget.. make it unavailable when we drink streakdetection potions.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."1 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »I appreciate ZOS for listening to the community and adjjusting some of the abilities for the nightblade. It was long over due, but too many changes at one time is very hard to deal with.
RIP stamblade pvp.
1 more thing is cloak, as I bleive it should be dealt with like steak, 50%penalty or maybe keep it as it is but prevent the garnteed crit strike. This should be change instead of the minor berserk.
It was not over performing. Youre build was underperforming or maybe youre skill level.
I run all classes all roles in Cyrodiil. I never have problems with Nightblades.6
