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I've tested Stamblade and StamNecro on the PTS - some thoughts (PVE Related)
Azyle1
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1 - Stamblade. Running AY and Relequen on my Khajiit. On the trial dummy I hit about 86 - 89K DPS right now.
2 - StamNecro. Same set up ( Could switch out for perfected Tooth set for slightly more DPS maybe ) but I am at 93-95K DPS right now. Also a Khajiit.
Thoughts - I do not think Stamblade is in a bad shape. Obviously the Necro has the added benefit of pets always getting crits right now. So really, Stamblade seems OK and Necro may just be a TAD overtuned. Just a tad. Nothing crazy. It is interesting I can pull those numbers off that easily after only like... 15 minutes of messing around on the Necro, but since I also play a Stamwarden on Live on Xbox... the rotation is pretty similar. It's almost the exact same, honestly.
Necro is pretty cool... but clunky, I hope this gets ironed out somehow.
Stamblade really isn't awful. I think the majority of players on live weren't hitting over 90K DPS ( I main a stamblade but haven't group parsed in months, but my highest in January was 86K on live). Obviously I am not the BEST player, but I consider myself pretty good as far as rotations and competing goes.
So for those worried about Stamblade in PVE, I wouldn't. They seem OK. I would like to see the cost of the bow proc get taken away since we lose berserk. The extra 10 seconds is nice, though... a little hard to get used to. I also haven't figured out if on the new trial dummy I should do 1 surprise attack before my executes each time on the front bar for that new debuff.
Edited by Azyle1 on April 18, 2019 4:58PM 2 - StamNecro. Same set up ( Could switch out for perfected Tooth set for slightly more DPS maybe ) but I am at 93-95K DPS right now. Also a Khajiit.
Thoughts - I do not think Stamblade is in a bad shape. Obviously the Necro has the added benefit of pets always getting crits right now. So really, Stamblade seems OK and Necro may just be a TAD overtuned. Just a tad. Nothing crazy. It is interesting I can pull those numbers off that easily after only like... 15 minutes of messing around on the Necro, but since I also play a Stamwarden on Live on Xbox... the rotation is pretty similar. It's almost the exact same, honestly.
Necro is pretty cool... but clunky, I hope this gets ironed out somehow.
Stamblade really isn't awful. I think the majority of players on live weren't hitting over 90K DPS ( I main a stamblade but haven't group parsed in months, but my highest in January was 86K on live). Obviously I am not the BEST player, but I consider myself pretty good as far as rotations and competing goes.
So for those worried about Stamblade in PVE, I wouldn't. They seem OK. I would like to see the cost of the bow proc get taken away since we lose berserk. The extra 10 seconds is nice, though... a little hard to get used to. I also haven't figured out if on the new trial dummy I should do 1 surprise attack before my executes each time on the front bar for that new debuff.
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✭✭Didn't a MDK hit 200k on the new dummy?Xbox GT: Rex Umbrah
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✭✭@Azyle1 , so you estimate that with pet crit back in place, stamina necro will parse about the same? Also, rotation-wise, necro is more straightforward?0 -
Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »@Azyle1 , so you estimate that with pet crit back in place, stamina necro will parse about the same? Also, rotation-wise, necro is more straightforward?
It will certainly drop. We will have to see.
Necro is pretty straight forward to me. I may not be doing it 100% correctly but I basically follow what Liko said...
Blastbone, hail, archer, blastbone, caltrops, poison injection, blastbone, rending, siphon thing, blast, skull, trap, blast, repeat. When I start the parse I actually go Blast, trap, THEN into a quick hail and archer. ( also obviously light attacks are here but I just didn't list that as it should be common knowledge ). I do not know if that is a good thing, but I figured having trap up for the minor force is good.
(Blast is on the front bar, so that is where the warden comparison begins... think of it as Sub Assault)Edited by Azyle1 on April 18, 2019 1:42PM0 -
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✭Seems like the nb changes will hit pvp harder than pve, which is ironic because I thought pve was where some nb nerfs were most needed.0 -
Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭Dalsinthus wrote: »Seems like the nb changes will hit pvp harder than pve, which is ironic because I thought pve was where some nb nerfs were most needed.
I def think PVP will be hit harder it would seem. Esp mNB. That said, I do not PVP a ton, so I am no expert.
They may be in big trouble there, but as for a PVE perspective... they are fine. Probably still stronger than sDK, sSorc, and even sWarden.0 -
Weps✭✭✭✭It's not because is bugged with Engulfing.
That was my first idea too.
Simply, the more you kill the dummy, the more damage you'll do in the next parse.PS4 EU - CP 1000+ - EP Loyal
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✭✭✭✭✭Dalsinthus wrote: »Seems like the nb changes will hit pvp harder than pve, which is ironic because I thought pve was where some nb nerfs were most needed.
I def think PVP will be hit harder it would seem. Esp mNB. That said, I do not PVP a ton, so I am no expert.
They may be in big trouble there, but as for a PVE perspective... they are fine. Probably still stronger than sDK, sSorc, and even sWarden.
They needed a nerf in PvP. And they will still be fine. They just won’t be able to build entirely to sustain/defense and still dish out good damage or build entirely to damage to deliver insane hits. I mean it’s not uncommon to get hit with 8k+ assassins will with 25-27k resists. That’s more than most ultimates.1 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭1 - Stamblade. Running AY and Relequen on my Khajiit. On the trial dummy I hit about 86 - 89K DPS right now.
2 - StamNecro. Same set up ( Could switch out for perfected Tooth set for slightly more DPS maybe ) but I am at 93-95K DPS right now. Also a Khajiit.
Thoughts - I do not think Stamblade is in a bad shape. Obviously the Necro has the added benefit of pets always getting crits right now. So really, Stamblade seems OK and Necro may just be a TAD overtuned. Just a tad. Nothing crazy. It is interesting I can pull those numbers off that easily after only like... 15 minutes of messing around on the Necro, but since I also play a Stamwarden on Live on Xbox... the rotation is pretty similar. It's almost the exact same, honestly.
Necro is pretty cool... but clunky, I hope this gets ironed out somehow.
Stamblade really isn't awful. I think the majority of players on live weren't hitting over 90K DPS ( I main a stamblade but haven't group parsed in months, but my highest in January was 86K on live). Obviously I am not the BEST player, but I consider myself pretty good as far as rotations and competing goes.
So for those worried about Stamblade in PVE, I wouldn't. They seem OK. I would like to see the cost of the bow proc get taken away since we lose berserk. The extra 10 seconds is nice, though... a little hard to get used to. I also haven't figured out if on the new trial dummy I should do 1 surprise attack before my executes each time on the front bar for that new debuff.
But isnt the stamblade rotation easier to do in a real life scenario vs an optimal testing environment than the necro one... i think pets and corpse mechanics, positioning etc. Are all factors that will make real life necro numbetrs worse0 -
Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »1 - Stamblade. Running AY and Relequen on my Khajiit. On the trial dummy I hit about 86 - 89K DPS right now.
2 - StamNecro. Same set up ( Could switch out for perfected Tooth set for slightly more DPS maybe ) but I am at 93-95K DPS right now. Also a Khajiit.
Thoughts - I do not think Stamblade is in a bad shape. Obviously the Necro has the added benefit of pets always getting crits right now. So really, Stamblade seems OK and Necro may just be a TAD overtuned. Just a tad. Nothing crazy. It is interesting I can pull those numbers off that easily after only like... 15 minutes of messing around on the Necro, but since I also play a Stamwarden on Live on Xbox... the rotation is pretty similar. It's almost the exact same, honestly.
Necro is pretty cool... but clunky, I hope this gets ironed out somehow.
Stamblade really isn't awful. I think the majority of players on live weren't hitting over 90K DPS ( I main a stamblade but haven't group parsed in months, but my highest in January was 86K on live). Obviously I am not the BEST player, but I consider myself pretty good as far as rotations and competing goes.
So for those worried about Stamblade in PVE, I wouldn't. They seem OK. I would like to see the cost of the bow proc get taken away since we lose berserk. The extra 10 seconds is nice, though... a little hard to get used to. I also haven't figured out if on the new trial dummy I should do 1 surprise attack before my executes each time on the front bar for that new debuff.
But isnt the stamblade rotation easier to do in a real life scenario vs an optimal testing environment than the necro one... i think pets and corpse mechanics, positioning etc. Are all factors that will make real life necro numbetrs worse
That is true. However that may be put into the "clunkiness" category and could be changed to help them possible. It's going to be a long PTS cycle so it will be interesting how things look at the end.0 -
Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭It's not because is bugged with Engulfing.
That was my first idea too.
Simply, the more you kill the dummy, the more damage you'll do in the next parse.
I had thought it was only bugged with firebased damage. I could be wrong, but the point is.. it is bugged. I reset the dummy after each parse to try to avoid this.0 -
CleymenZero✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's not because is bugged with Engulfing.
That was my first idea too.
Simply, the more you kill the dummy, the more damage you'll do in the next parse.
No and yes but the yes is because you're wrong in the first place.
Everytime the dummy respawns, it gets another stack of engulfing flames while keeping all the other stacks from previous parses.
That's why someone used a magDK vs using anything else because most of their attacks are fire based.0 -
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✭✭✭Dalsinthus wrote: »Seems like the nb changes will hit pvp harder than pve, which is ironic because I thought pve was where some nb nerfs were most needed.
I def think PVP will be hit harder it would seem. Esp mNB. That said, I do not PVP a ton, so I am no expert.
They may be in big trouble there, but as for a PVE perspective... they are fine. Probably still stronger than sDK, sSorc, and even sWarden.
They needed a nerf in PvP. And they will still be fine. They just won’t be able to build entirely to sustain/defense and still dish out good damage or build entirely to damage to deliver insane hits. I mean it’s not uncommon to get hit with 8k+ assassins will with 25-27k resists. That’s more than most ultimates.
L2P, the 8k assassin’s wills weren’t coming from NBs build entirely for sustain and defense unless your spec lacked crit resists.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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darkblue5✭✭✭✭✭Dalsinthus wrote: »Seems like the nb changes will hit pvp harder than pve, which is ironic because I thought pve was where some nb nerfs were most needed.
I def think PVP will be hit harder it would seem. Esp mNB. That said, I do not PVP a ton, so I am no expert.
They may be in big trouble there, but as for a PVE perspective... they are fine. Probably still stronger than sDK, sSorc, and even sWarden.
They needed a nerf in PvP. And they will still be fine. They just won’t be able to build entirely to sustain/defense and still dish out good damage or build entirely to damage to deliver insane hits. I mean it’s not uncommon to get hit with 8k+ assassins will with 25-27k resists. That’s more than most ultimates.
Magblade get the biggest bow procs but doesn't have the defense to sustain pressure to take advantage of partial combos like magsorc. Nor is the offensive pressure enough. For most you need to do the full combo or wear Caluurion's and gank. Not saying that you can't kill anyone but magblade is getting nerfed while in a bad spot open world. Assassin's Will healing on damage is a joke as well.3 -
Quaesivi✭✭✭1 - Stamblade. Running AY and Relequen on my Khajiit. On the trial dummy I hit about 86 - 89K DPS right now.
2 - StamNecro. Same set up ( Could switch out for perfected Tooth set for slightly more DPS maybe ) but I am at 93-95K DPS right now. Also a Khajiit.
Thoughts - I do not think Stamblade is in a bad shape. Obviously the Necro has the added benefit of pets always getting crits right now. So really, Stamblade seems OK and Necro may just be a TAD overtuned. Just a tad. Nothing crazy. It is interesting I can pull those numbers off that easily after only like... 15 minutes of messing around on the Necro, but since I also play a Stamwarden on Live on Xbox... the rotation is pretty similar. It's almost the exact same, honestly.
Necro is pretty cool... but clunky, I hope this gets ironed out somehow.
Stamblade really isn't awful. I think the majority of players on live weren't hitting over 90K DPS ( I main a stamblade but haven't group parsed in months, but my highest in January was 86K on live). Obviously I am not the BEST player, but I consider myself pretty good as far as rotations and competing goes.
So for those worried about Stamblade in PVE, I wouldn't. They seem OK. I would like to see the cost of the bow proc get taken away since we lose berserk. The extra 10 seconds is nice, though... a little hard to get used to. I also haven't figured out if on the new trial dummy I should do 1 surprise attack before my executes each time on the front bar for that new debuff.
The issue is that the "nerfs" hit Magblade much harder. People complain about Stamblades, they come out okay, Magblades, as bad as they were, comparatively, are now even worse.0 -
Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭1 - Stamblade. Running AY and Relequen on my Khajiit. On the trial dummy I hit about 86 - 89K DPS right now.
2 - StamNecro. Same set up ( Could switch out for perfected Tooth set for slightly more DPS maybe ) but I am at 93-95K DPS right now. Also a Khajiit.
Thoughts - I do not think Stamblade is in a bad shape. Obviously the Necro has the added benefit of pets always getting crits right now. So really, Stamblade seems OK and Necro may just be a TAD overtuned. Just a tad. Nothing crazy. It is interesting I can pull those numbers off that easily after only like... 15 minutes of messing around on the Necro, but since I also play a Stamwarden on Live on Xbox... the rotation is pretty similar. It's almost the exact same, honestly.
Necro is pretty cool... but clunky, I hope this gets ironed out somehow.
Stamblade really isn't awful. I think the majority of players on live weren't hitting over 90K DPS ( I main a stamblade but haven't group parsed in months, but my highest in January was 86K on live). Obviously I am not the BEST player, but I consider myself pretty good as far as rotations and competing goes.
So for those worried about Stamblade in PVE, I wouldn't. They seem OK. I would like to see the cost of the bow proc get taken away since we lose berserk. The extra 10 seconds is nice, though... a little hard to get used to. I also haven't figured out if on the new trial dummy I should do 1 surprise attack before my executes each time on the front bar for that new debuff.
The issue is that the "nerfs" hit Magblade much harder. People complain about Stamblades, they come out okay, Magblades, as bad as they were, comparatively, are now even worse.
To my knowledge, Magblades on Live were still hitting pretty hard though, correct? I am not saying they weren't heavily nerfed here, but compared to other Mag outside of a pet Sorc, aren't they pretty strong on live?0 -
Quaesivi✭✭✭1 - Stamblade. Running AY and Relequen on my Khajiit. On the trial dummy I hit about 86 - 89K DPS right now.
2 - StamNecro. Same set up ( Could switch out for perfected Tooth set for slightly more DPS maybe ) but I am at 93-95K DPS right now. Also a Khajiit.
Thoughts - I do not think Stamblade is in a bad shape. Obviously the Necro has the added benefit of pets always getting crits right now. So really, Stamblade seems OK and Necro may just be a TAD overtuned. Just a tad. Nothing crazy. It is interesting I can pull those numbers off that easily after only like... 15 minutes of messing around on the Necro, but since I also play a Stamwarden on Live on Xbox... the rotation is pretty similar. It's almost the exact same, honestly.
Necro is pretty cool... but clunky, I hope this gets ironed out somehow.
Stamblade really isn't awful. I think the majority of players on live weren't hitting over 90K DPS ( I main a stamblade but haven't group parsed in months, but my highest in January was 86K on live). Obviously I am not the BEST player, but I consider myself pretty good as far as rotations and competing goes.
So for those worried about Stamblade in PVE, I wouldn't. They seem OK. I would like to see the cost of the bow proc get taken away since we lose berserk. The extra 10 seconds is nice, though... a little hard to get used to. I also haven't figured out if on the new trial dummy I should do 1 surprise attack before my executes each time on the front bar for that new debuff.
The issue is that the "nerfs" hit Magblade much harder. People complain about Stamblades, they come out okay, Magblades, as bad as they were, comparatively, are now even worse.
To my knowledge, Magblades on Live were still hitting pretty hard though, correct? I am not saying they weren't heavily nerfed here, but compared to other Mag outside of a pet Sorc, aren't they pretty strong on live?
Magplar and Magsorc is far better than Magblade. Magden and Magdk, well they are where they are. Magden was more of a PvP beast than anything, though no idea now, and apparently Magdk got a pretty good buff.0 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭1 - Stamblade. Running AY and Relequen on my Khajiit. On the trial dummy I hit about 86 - 89K DPS right now.
2 - StamNecro. Same set up ( Could switch out for perfected Tooth set for slightly more DPS maybe ) but I am at 93-95K DPS right now. Also a Khajiit.
Thoughts - I do not think Stamblade is in a bad shape. Obviously the Necro has the added benefit of pets always getting crits right now. So really, Stamblade seems OK and Necro may just be a TAD overtuned. Just a tad. Nothing crazy. It is interesting I can pull those numbers off that easily after only like... 15 minutes of messing around on the Necro, but since I also play a Stamwarden on Live on Xbox... the rotation is pretty similar. It's almost the exact same, honestly.
Necro is pretty cool... but clunky, I hope this gets ironed out somehow.
Stamblade really isn't awful. I think the majority of players on live weren't hitting over 90K DPS ( I main a stamblade but haven't group parsed in months, but my highest in January was 86K on live). Obviously I am not the BEST player, but I consider myself pretty good as far as rotations and competing goes.
So for those worried about Stamblade in PVE, I wouldn't. They seem OK. I would like to see the cost of the bow proc get taken away since we lose berserk. The extra 10 seconds is nice, though... a little hard to get used to. I also haven't figured out if on the new trial dummy I should do 1 surprise attack before my executes each time on the front bar for that new debuff.
The issue is that the "nerfs" hit Magblade much harder. People complain about Stamblades, they come out okay, Magblades, as bad as they were, comparatively, are now even worse.
To my knowledge, Magblades on Live were still hitting pretty hard though, correct? I am not saying they weren't heavily nerfed here, but compared to other Mag outside of a pet Sorc, aren't they pretty strong on live?
Lol no, magblade is and will remain the weakest PvP spec2 -
Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭1 - Stamblade. Running AY and Relequen on my Khajiit. On the trial dummy I hit about 86 - 89K DPS right now.
2 - StamNecro. Same set up ( Could switch out for perfected Tooth set for slightly more DPS maybe ) but I am at 93-95K DPS right now. Also a Khajiit.
Thoughts - I do not think Stamblade is in a bad shape. Obviously the Necro has the added benefit of pets always getting crits right now. So really, Stamblade seems OK and Necro may just be a TAD overtuned. Just a tad. Nothing crazy. It is interesting I can pull those numbers off that easily after only like... 15 minutes of messing around on the Necro, but since I also play a Stamwarden on Live on Xbox... the rotation is pretty similar. It's almost the exact same, honestly.
Necro is pretty cool... but clunky, I hope this gets ironed out somehow.
Stamblade really isn't awful. I think the majority of players on live weren't hitting over 90K DPS ( I main a stamblade but haven't group parsed in months, but my highest in January was 86K on live). Obviously I am not the BEST player, but I consider myself pretty good as far as rotations and competing goes.
So for those worried about Stamblade in PVE, I wouldn't. They seem OK. I would like to see the cost of the bow proc get taken away since we lose berserk. The extra 10 seconds is nice, though... a little hard to get used to. I also haven't figured out if on the new trial dummy I should do 1 surprise attack before my executes each time on the front bar for that new debuff.
The issue is that the "nerfs" hit Magblade much harder. People complain about Stamblades, they come out okay, Magblades, as bad as they were, comparatively, are now even worse.
To my knowledge, Magblades on Live were still hitting pretty hard though, correct? I am not saying they weren't heavily nerfed here, but compared to other Mag outside of a pet Sorc, aren't they pretty strong on live?
Lol no, magblade is and will remain the weakest PvP spec
Sorry, I was talking from a PVE standpoint.0 -
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✭Dalsinthus wrote: »Seems like the nb changes will hit pvp harder than pve, which is ironic because I thought pve was where some nb nerfs were most needed.
I def think PVP will be hit harder it would seem. Esp mNB. That said, I do not PVP a ton, so I am no expert.
They may be in big trouble there, but as for a PVE perspective... they are fine. Probably still stronger than sDK, sSorc, and even sWarden.
They needed a nerf in PvP. And they will still be fine. They just won’t be able to build entirely to sustain/defense and still dish out good damage or build entirely to damage to deliver insane hits. I mean it’s not uncommon to get hit with 8k+ assassins will with 25-27k resists. That’s more than most ultimates.
I get that a lot of people feel this way, but I just don't see it. I play all classes but have the most experience on a stamblade, mag sorc, and mag dk for pvp. Working on a stamden and mag warden right now. Stamblades are terrible in high level bg and I see way more templars, DKs and wardens in Cyrodiil these days. I'm there almost every night. When I do run into the occasional stamblade, they usually run away or die trying to cloak vs. my detect pot. Sure they are slippery and hit hard, but it seems like everyone hits hard these days. I just don't see this 'easy mode needs nerf' situation that so many people on the forums are complaining about. Maybe it's my bias as someone with a lot of time on a stamblade in pvp.
As for pve, I am much better on my mag sorc than anything else. I do OK on my stamblade there but I'm not good (40-45k dps). I know that more skilled players can do great with stamblades for pve dps and I agree that this needed to be adjusted in the interest of class diversity.
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✭✭They are fine PvE wise. In PvP and in vMA they take a massive hit however. I still think that the changes to Grim Focus and to Surprise Attack are bad. I'm not against Minor Berserk removal, but the compensation for it sucks and doesn't make much sense. The Minor Endurance should still be there, the Heal is totally useless for both Stam and Mag, and the 30 seconds duration should be the standard. The Surprise Attack nerf... Is just there to make people use Mark Target, which is an awful reason to nerf something (I'd actually like for Concealed Weapon to get Major Breach too for some Magblade love).@ Izaki #PCEU
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