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Nightblades got gutted
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Shadowasrial✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well when you have groups of 3-4 heavy armor 35k health builds with damn near the same weapon damage as a nb you are gong to be in for one painful experience. I hate how I can have 6k weapon damage 35k stamina 50% crit chance with very decent penetration that fighting a lot of these heavy armor builds take tiny chunks of damage from their health bar and when you do finally get them low enough and you expended your resources they simply dawn breaker you spin to win or execute strike you to death with impunity. You have no counter to these heavy armor builds except a squishy dps that should be able to kill them but can’t4 -
BlackMadara✭✭✭✭@Lab3360 I run 5 light on my magDK and survive most ganks ass long as there isn't lag. You just have to be aware and have a decent build. Of course if you have 12k physical resist, you are going to get one shot.
@Shadowasrial if you aren't killing people with those stats, it's you and not the builds. I have 4k SD, 33k mag and 7k pen fully buffed and can take down most high health, heavy armor targets with a good combo. That mostly involves layering dots and ccing them to drain stam. Then going for a full combo on the next cc opportunity.
Typically the balance of games works as such, sustained dps>tank>assassin>sustained dps.
Overall, some of the nerfs on NB were too much, especially the dark clock change and not giving grim focus anything for the initial cast. I agree with the other nerfs and stamNB will be fine but magNB needs some love.0 -
Suddwrath✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It was a well-deserved nerf. In PvP Incap was overperforming by miles, and in PvE you know there was a balancing issue when all of the DPS in a trial were stamblades or magblades for leaderboard runs.4 -
John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What's funny is that - to put things in perspective - sNB's single target spammable lost its Fracture, but on PTS, after initial hit buff, sDKs use Noxious Breath as their spammable (sic!). AoE spammable with instant AoE Major Fracture. How crazy can it get. ^^
Now, as sDK, I probably shouldn't complain (except of course about Noxious headed for inevitable nerf, plus maybe having to double bar magicka Whip for passive 375 WD, something that leaves me no space even for Vigor), but the situation is definitely comical. My only two questions is what ZOS devs are smoking, and whether there's more of the stuff where they got it from.5 -
Kidgangster101✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kidgangster101 wrote: »Kidgangster101 wrote: »Kidgangster101 wrote: »Kidgangster101 wrote: »Kidgangster101 wrote: »Kidgangster101 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »I just don't understand why Nb gets hit with all the nerfs and how the other top classes stay completely untouched. Nb (the med armor and light armor builds) at least can be punished easily for mistakes, meanwhile magicka sorc and heavy sword and board stamdk are just roflstomp. Seeing what they're doing with Nightblade both magsorc and stamdk should get big nerfs as well, mainly to shields/healing and sustain (and pets lol...).
How long has NB been at the top for? You all gotta learn to adapt and also learn the values of things in pve and pvp.
First off you lost 8% dmg through grim focus but..... You gained 8% vulnerability down for the entire group and yourself so that is actually better.
Second is SA is still a great spamable move but it def needed to be toned down because it offered too much between passives and fracture (thinks change slows you down some in pvp but doesn't hurt you at all in group play pve as tank keeps fracture on boss)
Third you guys had way to much with your cheap ultimate the defile is really cheap on such a low cost ultimate that already makes you take 20% more damage.
Fear now keeps them stunned in 1 spot plus hits 6 people now. ......
So let's see now you can open a fight with gap closer to apply minor vulnerability, marked target for your def down, and still spam surprise attack and ulti dump in big burst combos for pvp and if they attempt to recover you fear them in place to fully finish the job so why are you crying exactly? And in pve you actually gained more group play and offer the group minor vulnerability.......
If a anything they should had put minor vulnerabilty to surprise attack. Using the nightblade gap closer is too slow to warrant a spot in the rotation, that is the dumbest idea I've ever heard.
So you want to give your class spamable another very powerful buff? Maybe play like other classes now and have to slot more than 1 bar to do massive damage and gain all your buffs needed from that bar too. Because right now NB has the tools to gank from 1 bar if they really wanted to half ass it.
Why should every class play the same?
So your telling me just because you have to slot marked target now which btw is another class skill to gain major fracture is a bad thing? You nightblades want everything so easy mode that you can spam 1 move while falling asleep and have max results? Lolol
Most classes don't actually have nearly as many options for moves as nightblades do. Seriously tired of everyone saying NB is unplayable when in reality people saying that have no concept how to do anything besides having everything built into a 1 bar loadout
Sounds like you just have problem with nightblade.
At this point it sounds like youre arguing to argue. Every class has some advantage.
You know sorcery has a 1 bar set up?
You know Stam Stam DK have a 1bar set up?
You make it seem its something specific for NB. Thats simply not true. Though thats not really the issue.
Too many pvp crybabies who cant seem to counter then start crying. If youre gettimg ganked, build with more resistance and health and keep youre shield up. Get good. Dont cry about it. Nerfing only makes you a worse player.
Everyone gets ganked. Put yourr big boy pants on, man up and move on. Its a fn stealth class. I get gank by them too.
Stop crying to the devs about not being good enough or smart enough to counter and capialize.
Get Good!
Bro again I play all classes. When was the last time a gank worked on me? Maybe when I'm out numbered and a NB sneaks in. Again I have played pvp since launch on console.
You assume that I'm bad? Come find me if you play on console I'm in cyrodil or BG often. You guys need to stop crying over something that isn't as big as you make it out to be. I will say this again good players will change slightly to this change and bad players will continue to cry on the forums saying their class is unplayable.
So the better question is which are you? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I have all classes all roles 2 account's max cp. Quote me saying the class was unplayable.
Bad players are the ones crying because they want nerfs.
Im happy for you thay youde gank proof. I think most tanks are gank proof.
Try running medium or light.
Most people who are complaining abiut the nerfs will adapt. But, here is the kicker...you will still find something to snivel about and ask the devs to nerf.
Its just Crybabydum Here
Yeah I run 5 light 1 heavy 1 medium on my build for templar and 7 medium on my dk and 7 medium on my Stam NB thanks for assuming I'm wearing heavy armor tho
Then you definitely get ganked. Well maybe not if youre simply running BG's. You wouldnt last 10 seconds in Cyrodiil with that setup outside running with maybe a Zerg
Nope many NB try to gank and they fail. I usually am by myself or with 1 other person I just know how to play all my roles strengths is all.
I call BS you never have been ganked in Cyrodiil.
Everyone has apparently except for you.
Uh huh. Right.
Bro it's called keep your buffs up lol. A NB can't kill you from a gank if you keep your buffs up fully and have good monster sets to defend yourself such as pirate skeleton or troll king. You do realize that in light armor i can get 30k+ in my resistances on templar? Or in medium armor I can get 30k+ resistances on my dk right? You do realize that there is sets out there like Swift that mudigate the damage you take right? It really sounds like you don't know as much about pvp as you think you do lol.
Sure I was ganked in cyrodil, but what did I do? I learned there is things that help protect you from being ganked in 1v1 situations and learned how to stop dying but I learned that within the first few months of the game being released lol. A d it use to be so much easier because back then magelught worked 100% of the time if you had it double barred your activation never came out (prob got nerfed cause nbs cried when they couldn't gank players wearing it). So I got ganked a lot back when vr was a thing and still learning to play the game, but again I learned what to do and got better and now nbs can only come from behind if I have a multi man fight that it's hard to win those 1vX situations anyways.0 -
Luckylancer✭✭✭✭✭Since when being stealthy assassin is excuse to be unreactable? Am I supposed to wear 5 heavy + 3 defensive sets to make sjre these "stealthy assassins" can fulfill their fantasy? I am glad they gut guttep but they have so much gut in firstplace, they will still be relevant.
Rip magblades for more nerfs but removal of the best cloak counter in game(spin2win) can help them.0 -
Kidgangster101✭✭✭✭✭
✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/469467/ive-tested-stamblade-and-stamnecro-on-the-pts-some-thoughts#latest
It was parsed and stamblades are fine for pve as I have been saying and for pvp they needed some slight adjustments and their moves were just moved around in example minor berserk for vulnerability so again I ask how was stamblade gutted again? Lolololol
Magblades need their siphoning skills toned up so they can heal more as they lack that in pvp right now3 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Im just gonna delete my nb tank so tired of them breaking her 11 times now ruined my build just friggan done..1 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »What's funny is that - to put things in perspective - sNB's single target spammable lost its Fracture, but on PTS, after initial hit buff, sDKs use Noxious Breath as their spammable (sic!). AoE spammable with instant AoE Major Fracture. How crazy can it get. ^^
Now, as sDK, I probably shouldn't complain (except of course about Noxious headed for inevitable nerf, plus maybe having to double bar magicka Whip for passive 375 WD, something that leaves me no space even for Vigor), but the situation is definitely comical. My only two questions is what ZOS devs are smoking, and whether there's more of the stuff where they got it from.
There is a lot of inconsistency. I find these changes to be very disingenuous
Edited by Lab3360 on April 18, 2019 4:41PM1 -
Shadowasrial✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well the more nightblades who speak up the better chance they make a change to the pts changes 2 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »Well the more nightblades who speak up the better chance they make a change to the pts changes
I wont stop1 -
Ryknos✭✭✭Do people write crap like this without trying things out in the PTR to see how it actually turns out?3 -
hakan✭✭✭✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »Well when you have groups of 3-4 heavy armor 35k health builds with damn near the same weapon damage as a nb you are gong to be in for one painful experience. I hate how I can have 6k weapon damage 35k stamina 50% crit chance with very decent penetration that fighting a lot of these heavy armor builds take tiny chunks of damage from their health bar and when you do finally get them low enough and you expended your resources they simply dawn breaker you spin to win or execute strike you to death with impunity. You have no counter to these heavy armor builds except a squishy dps that should be able to kill them but can’t
ikr? they talk like only nb can hit those numbers.0 -
Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ApostateHobo wrote: »Please zos just leave nightblades alone!
why would they?
if it isn't broken, zos will, by god, fix it.
again and again, if need be. (rapids, rune cage, overload, etc etc etc)
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kratier✭✭✭✭im dropping night blade as of today, itll be a frustrating struggle but i think its for the best1
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✭im dropping night blade as of today, itll be a frustrating struggle but i think its for the best
Okay enjoy another class even though NB is still parsing slightly under necro even tho it's bugged and pets guarantee crits. So when they fix that who knows maybe the out DPS necro? But sure keep saying it's bad 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂1 -
Ashtaris✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Kidgangster101 wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/469467/ive-tested-stamblade-and-stamnecro-on-the-pts-some-thoughts#latest
It was parsed and stamblades are fine for pve as I have been saying and for pvp they needed some slight adjustments and their moves were just moved around in example minor berserk for vulnerability so again I ask how was stamblade gutted again? Lolololol
Magblades need their siphoning skills toned up so they can heal more as they lack that in pvp right now
Yeah, and there are indications that the new target dummy is bugged in that the more times you kill the dummy, each successive parse gives you higher damage. I’ll wait until ZOS fixes the target dummy before I rejoice at the DPS you linked in your post.
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Kidgangster101✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kidgangster101 wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/469467/ive-tested-stamblade-and-stamnecro-on-the-pts-some-thoughts#latest
It was parsed and stamblades are fine for pve as I have been saying and for pvp they needed some slight adjustments and their moves were just moved around in example minor berserk for vulnerability so again I ask how was stamblade gutted again? Lolololol
Magblades need their siphoning skills toned up so they can heal more as they lack that in pvp right now
Yeah, and there are indications that the new target dummy is bugged in that the more times you kill the dummy, each successive parse gives you higher damage. I’ll wait until ZOS fixes the target dummy before I rejoice at the DPS you linked in your post.
It has been also said that if you use the house editor it resets the dummy so it doesn't scale which the people doing testing now do whenever they test
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Seminolegirl1992✭✭✭✭✭It was a well-deserved nerf. In PvP Incap was overperforming by miles, and in PvE you know there was a balancing issue when all of the DPS in a trial were stamblades or magblades for leaderboard runs.
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Deathlord92✭✭✭✭✭
✭I will never stop defending nightblades update 22 will kill nb as a class so please zos listen to the ones that actually play nb and I have actually been here since day 1 console release and only play nb got 4 different nb I tried other classes along the way and got bored I have always favoured rogue4 -
Nerftheforums✭✭✭✭✭
✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »
This right here is why Nightblades are god damn stupid. Any other class initiates a fight normally, and fairly. But no, not nightblades. They stalk in the shadows like cowards, hit you with a fat heal debuff, wiping out over half your health pool in one strike, while also increasing their damage against you by 20%, followed by their spammable which strips away your resistances and hits like a truck.Shadowasrial wrote: »But I definitely expect to be able to kill a player who I’ve taken by surprise and who is by themselves
Before you have time to react you're almost dead in an unrecoverable state.
Stamblade is the most idiotic thing I've ever encountered
@Alucardo mate you are the voice of wisdom.
Don't forget also to add that Bosmers previous passives made that ridiculous OP class the cancer at Cyrodiil.
And personally I have no sympathy to the magNBs, who are as bad.
In light also with the pet Sorc serious nerf, which seems everyone ignored, Cyrodiil would be a better place tbh.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »
This right here is why Nightblades are god damn stupid. Any other class initiates a fight normally, and fairly. But no, not nightblades. They stalk in the shadows like cowards, hit you with a fat heal debuff, wiping out over half your health pool in one strike, while also increasing their damage against you by 20%, followed by their spammable which strips away your resistances and hits like a truck.Shadowasrial wrote: »But I definitely expect to be able to kill a player who I’ve taken by surprise and who is by themselves
Before you have time to react you're almost dead in an unrecoverable state.
Soooo.... a typical "rogue" in just about every MMO pvp situation I've ever heard of?
edit: I mean, I don't pvp because I hate it, but I'm just surprised at how offended some people get at single-target stealth assassin classes acting like single-target stealth assassins. Getting 'ganked' by some jackass griefer rogue #/&^!($ is a core part of the pvp experience.
Following your own mindset, I say that NBs shouldn't be able to bring down a heavily armoured Templar or Dragonknight with just two strikes. Because NB is a simple a "rogue" class as you insist.
Yet that obvious is happening in Cyrodiil the last 5 years. Hell, the only class that can recover and beat the NBs is the Magicka sorcerers and DKs.
So, be thankful NBs escaped with just those few tweaks. The nerfhammer should have been heavier.
And a history lesson. DAOC had similar PVP system with ESO. What killed the whole game PVP "selling point", was the huge amount of CC, against a pitiful amount of non existing "anti-CC". With a cherry on top, 3 very powerful stealth classes one-two shooting everyone and not giving a chance to the defender to react.
Exactly what's happening in Cyrodiil 5 years now. FYI many of the DAOC game designers worked and working on ESO.
Also if you ask people around, they will tell you that the best memorable experience in Cyrodiil, was when they met another "non stealth", "non one shoot trick pony", non jumping around like a fricking rabbit player, and had a battle lasting 15+ minutes. And what puts off the significant majority of the player base, is one shoot OP gang builds, which doesn't allow for anyone to react, making their whole Cyrodiil experience an endless trip on a horse trying to get to the battle and never getting there.
That is why always advocated less CC, less ganging possibilities, and more long lasting fights resembling a war at Cyrodiil, not another mission for the Dark Brotherhood.
I can teach you how to fight nbs if you want, it seems you need some help. If you are on pc EU it would be my pleasure.0 -
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✭MentalxHammer wrote: »I've mained brawler sNB for over 4 years, I refuse to rely on the gimmick of invisibility to win fights. Now the only strength that the class has relies on playing as a ganker. Stam NB has been pigeonholed into this one play style. After thousands and thousands of hours developing non-cookie cutter builds the playstyle is being dragged out from under my feet. I heavily considered quitting the game today, instead I changed the name of my main to Tarn the Fallen... he is my new crafting mule...
Just go heavy dude. It has been bis since 3 years now, a way easier playstyle than the canon 2h/bow medblade that deal more damage and can tank stupid amount of damage. For real. Dw or dnb, your choice, but go heavy1 -
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✭Whatever they do, removing Minor Berserk is a good way into removing any sort of NB identity. Could be the most misdirected and wrong decision ever - at the same level as the Empower change (which made skills such as Empowering Chains, Wrecking Blow and the Magelight's Empower look very weird and out of place), or removing the Overload bar on sorcs.
Do whatever you want to Grim Focus, I don't really care, as long as Minor Berserk is left intact. What are NB's supposed to be, ZOS? NB's are all about the single target burst, if that's gradually being taken away, then what? As a PVP single player, then what? Sub par melee brawler? In PVP goup play? Putting up forward camps? There's soon no more "NB, take out that healer/tank/sniper". Then what? What are you supposed to be doing as a NB? Burn/put up forward camps? Is that it?3 -
ellahellabella✭✭✭✭✭I do feel sorry for mag nbs because it's pretty rough for em in pvp.
But then I see many posts here from people that supported the dk wings change and taunted those that disagreed because the change made life easier for them and I started to sympathise less.
EDIT: Oh don't get me wrong, wings are very strong but the 'L2p' taunting?Edited by ellahellabella on April 19, 2019 10:48AMTry to read everything I write with an Australian accent
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This right here is why Nightblades are god damn stupid. Any other class initiates a fight normally, and fairly. But no, not nightblades. They stalk in the shadows like cowards, hit you with a fat heal debuff, wiping out over half your health pool in one strike, while also increasing their damage against you by 20%, followed by their spammable which strips away your resistances and hits like a truck.Shadowasrial wrote: »But I definitely expect to be able to kill a player who I’ve taken by surprise and who is by themselves
Before you have time to react you're almost dead, or in an unrecoverable state.
Stamblade is the most idiotic thing I've ever encountered
Yes. That's called build diversity. If you know the drill, it's not too damn hard to outlive a nightblade. If you don't, then learn. You don't necessarily HAVE to kill everyone of them, you don't HAVE to chase those rollerblades. They don't do much harm, other than to single players. That's the playstyle: Single target burst damage. They can't really take out large numbers of opponents if they are not very skilled. They take out certain targets, not just about any by mashing buttons.
Of course there are bomb blades etc. too, but really: They are a curiosity. I rarely die to them. And expecting them to show up in Imperial City, is really part of the fun. They are easily avoided, and an anomaly these days.Edited by Raudgrani on April 19, 2019 10:50AM2 -
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✭That’s the problem with these nerfs is that they seriously affect the only real playstyle for nightblades and that’s primarily single target. You get a couple magic bombers but if you didn’t want them then they wouldn’t have vicious death and proxy det. People need to understand the fact that 90% of the nb population in pvp are solo players. That’s why you don’t find us in large groups. We are semi squishy if built right we can go toe to toe against some tanky dps from Templar’s and dks and wardens but most of the time it ends in disaster if you don’t take them by surpirse. Most other classes keep getting buffs and have much better heals than a nb does. As a stamblade im pretty much limited to vigor and rally. Which are good heals but pale in comparison to some of these large heals that other classes have access too while at the same time having great damage stats and great defenses. I get it no one likes getting assassinated but that’s just a risk you take in pvp. A risk that’s often mitigated if your in a group. Even if you are playing with one other player you will usually be fine seeing as us nb tend to attack the last person in a group of players ( the straggler) and when we do you usually come back and get them and try to hunt us down. With the current heavy armor meta you need players who have high single target damage to be able to put enough pressure on other groups. I can’t tell you how many times a tank has been kiting my group around and we couldn’t get them down until I feared and incaped them. Some of these sorcs and wardens are so tanky it takes an entire group just to take them down. But zenimax continues to buff them and reward group play but penalizing solo players. Yes this is an mmo but pvp is one of the few things in this game you can do solo if you choose and they are steadily making that harder and harder4
