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Nightblades are still strong
Gnozo
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Hello Forumblades,
I just wanted to point out a few things cause i mostly see Nightblades saying the class is dead and unplayable now without really saying why.
I was going over the changes done in Update 22 and dont really see any big and class destroying Things.
1. Incap trading Major Defile for Minor Mangle
PvE: Doesnt effect it at all
PvP: Minor Mangle is a strong debuff and reduces Health by 2k when you just have 20k and gets even stronger the more health your target got. Makes it effective against high Health builds.
2. Grim Focus loosing minor berserk/minor endurance
PvE: In an optimized group you have a healer with Combat prayer that is giving you minor berserk so you get this buff anyway. Also you have the best sustain out of all classes dps wise and i think you can handle a loss of 10% stam Recovery.
PvP: you lost minor berserk but gained Minor Vulnerability wich is a much more potent damage increase. And for loosing minor endurance maybe its time to put 1 stam Recovery glyph instead of all weapon damage. You already get 15% more Recovery just by a passive... Come on....
Fear
PvE: Dont think anyone seriously using that...
PvP: You lost snare and Maim on it but you can fear Up to 6! Targets. And you lock them in place now. A spammable CC for 6 targets... Jesus.
Dark cloak:
Heal got less but you also have a longer uptime in minor protection
Shade:
Got buffed, esspecially on stambuilds
Surprise attack loosing major fracture:
PvE: The tank already provides this debuff. With the new debuff to resist you can reduce resist now even more
PvP: Suprise attack already got the highest tooltip out of every single target spammable with Instant damage. Also providing major fracture and proccing your armor buffs passively was really overloaded. Every other class need to either slot ransack (way less damage compared to surp Attack while doing the exact same thing in pvp) or a secondary skill to get major fracture (noxios, sub assault). So Nightblades just got put in line with other classes and their acces to major fracture.
So in general, PvE wise nothing really changed and PvP wise Nightblades just lost some damage while being the number one single target damage class. And guess what, they will still be a top Tier class.
Why you all saying Nightblades got destroyed and are useless now?
Edited by Gnozo on April 17, 2019 8:09AM I just wanted to point out a few things cause i mostly see Nightblades saying the class is dead and unplayable now without really saying why.
I was going over the changes done in Update 22 and dont really see any big and class destroying Things.
1. Incap trading Major Defile for Minor Mangle
PvE: Doesnt effect it at all
PvP: Minor Mangle is a strong debuff and reduces Health by 2k when you just have 20k and gets even stronger the more health your target got. Makes it effective against high Health builds.
2. Grim Focus loosing minor berserk/minor endurance
PvE: In an optimized group you have a healer with Combat prayer that is giving you minor berserk so you get this buff anyway. Also you have the best sustain out of all classes dps wise and i think you can handle a loss of 10% stam Recovery.
PvP: you lost minor berserk but gained Minor Vulnerability wich is a much more potent damage increase. And for loosing minor endurance maybe its time to put 1 stam Recovery glyph instead of all weapon damage. You already get 15% more Recovery just by a passive... Come on....
Fear
PvE: Dont think anyone seriously using that...
PvP: You lost snare and Maim on it but you can fear Up to 6! Targets. And you lock them in place now. A spammable CC for 6 targets... Jesus.
Dark cloak:
Heal got less but you also have a longer uptime in minor protection
Shade:
Got buffed, esspecially on stambuilds
Surprise attack loosing major fracture:
PvE: The tank already provides this debuff. With the new debuff to resist you can reduce resist now even more
PvP: Suprise attack already got the highest tooltip out of every single target spammable with Instant damage. Also providing major fracture and proccing your armor buffs passively was really overloaded. Every other class need to either slot ransack (way less damage compared to surp Attack while doing the exact same thing in pvp) or a secondary skill to get major fracture (noxios, sub assault). So Nightblades just got put in line with other classes and their acces to major fracture.
So in general, PvE wise nothing really changed and PvP wise Nightblades just lost some damage while being the number one single target damage class. And guess what, they will still be a top Tier class.
Why you all saying Nightblades got destroyed and are useless now?
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kitty79✭✭✭✭(sorry for my english)
i dont say it's dead, but every class get a nice damage up, the only one with a real damage nerf is the nightblade, it's not fair :'(snipe forever ^_^
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Chubarov_S✭✭✭Hello Forumblades,
1. Incap trading Major Defile for Minor Mangle
PvP: Minor Mangle is a strong debuff and reduces Health by 2k when you just have 20k and gets even stronger the more health your target got. Makes it effective against high Health builds.
2. Grim Focus loosing minor berserk/minor endurance
PvP: you lost minor berserk but gained Minor Vulnerability wich is a much more potent damage increase. And for loosing minor endurance maybe its time to put 1 stam Recovery glyph instead of all weapon damage. You already get 15% more Recovery just by a passive... Come on....
Now tell me what to do with those magnb who do not use Incap?Theorycrafter manaNB6 -
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i dont say it's dead, but every class get a nice damage up, the only one with a real damage nerf is the nightblade, it's not fair :'(
Cause Nightblades damage was already over the top. You can reach 15k surprise attack tooltip just by using Shackle+Bone Pirate and Bloodspawn. No other class could reach that high tooltip on ransack for example and that also forces them into using s&b.
So it was time for some damage nerfs9 -
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✭Thanatos_inside wrote: »nerfblade iz stronk
cloAk oP
Say why instead of just crying how Nightblade so hardly nerfed. Give feedback on why you are triggered so much.4 -
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✭✭@Gnozo , bit of a stretch there, comparing Mark Target (magicka only, single target - it can only be on one target at a time - and with useless effect in PvE) with damaging AoE sources of Fracture like Breath and Sub Assault, don't you find?3 -
Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Chubarov_S wrote: »Hello Forumblades,
1. Incap trading Major Defile for Minor Mangle
PvP: Minor Mangle is a strong debuff and reduces Health by 2k when you just have 20k and gets even stronger the more health your target got. Makes it effective against high Health builds.
2. Grim Focus loosing minor berserk/minor endurance
PvP: you lost minor berserk but gained Minor Vulnerability wich is a much more potent damage increase. And for loosing minor endurance maybe its time to put 1 stam Recovery glyph instead of all weapon damage. You already get 15% more Recovery just by a passive... Come on....
Now tell me what to do with those magnb who do not use Incap?
What do you want to hear man? Soul harvest stays the same like in live server.
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Chubarov_S✭✭✭Thanatos_inside wrote: »nerfblade iz stronk
cloAk oP
Say why instead of just crying how Nightblade so hardly nerfed. Give feedback on why you are triggered so much.
Nerf it only because of the debuff incap + 20% of incoming damage. Remove this debuff and you will immediately see that the mugglades have bad DPS, the Stamblades will not have such high damage, and heavy builds will stop damaging.Edited by Chubarov_S on April 17, 2019 8:23AMTheorycrafter manaNB0 -
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✭✭Stam blades are mostly quiet as the nerfs over the last year have ruined the mage blade primarily. Used to be the play style that could heal though damage now DK have that along with more tankiness mitigation and burst class healing and over the top buff to their damage. Our main skills are considered prohectiles even if we are point blank so do peanut damage.Xbox GT: Rex Umbrah
GM of IMPERIUM since 2015.5 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think you should change to title to Stamblades. Magblades were not even close to be good, and got nerfed again. Grim Focus is nerfed so much that people will drop it completely. That's not a good practice to make skills completely useless. Shadow image is still bugged.
Stambleds will do fine. Magblades as usual - nerf last skills that are worth of using... At least we have RAT now but stamina base is already whining it's to strong... Yeah! Because it's fun to perma snare&root someone, unless you're being perma rooted&snared then it's broken.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.4 -
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✭John_Falstaff wrote: »@Gnozo , bit of a stretch there, comparing Mark Target (magicka only, single target - it can only be on one target at a time - and with useless effect in PvE) with damaging AoE sources of Fracture like Breath and Sub Assault, don't you find?
Let me tell you a Secret. Classes like stamplar and stamsorc dont even have major fracture in their class Toolkit and can still kill.
Surprise Attack can easily reach 14k tooltip with just sustain Sets. There is No need for major fracture.5 -
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What is trully unfair is NB should recived some changes that will help them at healing & tanking. Those 2 roles are the weakest aspect of NB class. I can understand DPS nerf... But no buffs to the tanking & healing ? In fact NB got only nerfs in that department. Their burst heal is gone and still they dont bring anything unique to the table when it comes to group based content.(sorry for my english)
i dont say it's dead, but every class get a nice damage up, the only one with a real damage nerf is the nightblade, it's not fair :'(Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on April 17, 2019 8:32AM7 -
actosh✭✭✭✭✭The Dark Cloak change is awful for tanks, we give a *** on minor protection, even my Siphoning Strikes Light attack heals more then 2 ticks on cloak.5
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Jeezye✭✭✭✭✭I agree stamblades are still in a good spot, much more appropriate than the live version. Magblades however are a completly different story. The abundance of sufficient defnesive mechanics for such a long time is absurd, it basically FORCES you to spamm cloak since its the only mitigation tool the class offers.
Dark cloak was supposed to constitute a viable counterpart for those seeking a brawler style, but the live version sucks and the new version is even worse.
At the same time damage is getting worse with patch after patch and is already way too easy to avoid.
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✭✭@Gnozo , let me tell you a secret. Nobody considers stamsorcs anything but a good joke in PvE. But it seems like you're okay with every class being a joke instead of every class being good, in which case you shouldn't have been making (invalid) comparisons with Sub Assault and Breath to begin with, saying that NB is in line with those abilities now.
And ah, I see now, you're one of those PvP folks an NB have touched in inappropriate place, and it's now a salt thread... Moving along, people, just another "NBs should be nerfed rightly!!!11" thread, nothing new under the sun.8 -
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✭John_Falstaff wrote: »@Gnozo , let me tell you a secret. Nobody considers stamsorcs anything but a good joke in PvE. But it seems like you're okay with every class being a joke instead of every class being good, in which case you shouldn't have been making (invalid) comparisons with Sub Assault and Breath to begin with, saying that NB is in line with those abilities now.
And ah, I see now, you're one of those PvP folks an NB have touched in inappropriate place, and it's now a salt thread... Moving along, people, just another "NBs should be nerfed rightly!!!11" thread, nothing new under the sun.
Dont know what your real Problem is tbh
That you lost major fracture on your already hard hitting class spammable?
And a Nightblade is now a joke in pve like other classes?4 -
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✭✭@Gnozo , I'm stamDK main, I can spend a year counting my problems, but right now my only problem is you trying to pull invalid arguments to convince that NB nerfs don't matter and sNB fracture is now in line with sDK's or stamden's. Doesn't work like that, sorry. ^^8 -
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✭John_Falstaff wrote: »@Gnozo , I'm stamDK main, I can spend a year counting my problems, but right now my only problem is you trying to pull invalid arguments to convince that NB nerfs don't matter and sNB fracture is now in line with sDK's or stamden's. Doesn't work like that, sorry. ^^
I didnt said they dont matter. What mean is that they simply arent that bad that it Worth 1047862 threads about Nightblades to be useless now.
They just need to search for another source of major fracture wich isnt a big deal tho and they still have crazy single target damage compared to other classes.0 -
Jagdkommando✭✭✭✭Hello Forumblades,
I just wanted to point out a few things cause i mostly see Nightblades saying the class is dead and unplayable now without really saying why.
I was going over the changes done in Update 22 and dont really see any big and class destroying Things.
1. Incap trading Major Defile for Minor Mangle
PvE: Doesnt effect it at all
PvP: Minor Mangle is a strong debuff and reduces Health by 2k when you just have 20k and gets even stronger the more health your target got. Makes it effective against high Health builds.
2. Grim Focus loosing minor berserk/minor endurance
PvE: In an optimized group you have a healer with Combat prayer that is giving you minor berserk so you get this buff anyway. Also you have the best sustain out of all classes dps wise and i think you can handle a loss of 10% stam Recovery.
PvP: you lost minor berserk but gained Minor Vulnerability wich is a much more potent damage increase. And for loosing minor endurance maybe its time to put 1 stam Recovery glyph instead of all weapon damage. You already get 15% more Recovery just by a passive... Come on....
Fear
PvE: Dont think anyone seriously using that...
PvP: You lost snare and Maim on it but you can fear Up to 6! Targets. And you lock them in place now. A spammable CC for 6 targets... Jesus.
Dark cloak:
Heal got less but you also have a longer uptime in minor protection
Shade:
Got buffed, esspecially on stambuilds
Surprise attack loosing major fracture:
PvE: The tank already provides this debuff. With the new debuff to resist you can reduce resist now even more
PvP: Suprise attack already got the highest tooltip out of every single target spammable with Instant damage. Also providing major fracture and proccing your armor buffs passively was really overloaded. Every other class need to either slot ransack (way less damage compared to surp Attack while doing the exact same thing in pvp) or a secondary skill to get major fracture (noxios, sub assault). So Nightblades just got put in line with other classes and their acces to major fracture.
So in general, PvE wise nothing really changed and PvP wise Nightblades just lost some damage while being the number one single target damage class. And guess what, they will still be a top Tier class.
Why you all saying Nightblades got destroyed and are useless now?
You are wrong.4 -
Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Jagdkommando wrote: »Hello Forumblades,
I just wanted to point out a few things cause i mostly see Nightblades saying the class is dead and unplayable now without really saying why.
I was going over the changes done in Update 22 and dont really see any big and class destroying Things.
1. Incap trading Major Defile for Minor Mangle
PvE: Doesnt effect it at all
PvP: Minor Mangle is a strong debuff and reduces Health by 2k when you just have 20k and gets even stronger the more health your target got. Makes it effective against high Health builds.
2. Grim Focus loosing minor berserk/minor endurance
PvE: In an optimized group you have a healer with Combat prayer that is giving you minor berserk so you get this buff anyway. Also you have the best sustain out of all classes dps wise and i think you can handle a loss of 10% stam Recovery.
PvP: you lost minor berserk but gained Minor Vulnerability wich is a much more potent damage increase. And for loosing minor endurance maybe its time to put 1 stam Recovery glyph instead of all weapon damage. You already get 15% more Recovery just by a passive... Come on....
Fear
PvE: Dont think anyone seriously using that...
PvP: You lost snare and Maim on it but you can fear Up to 6! Targets. And you lock them in place now. A spammable CC for 6 targets... Jesus.
Dark cloak:
Heal got less but you also have a longer uptime in minor protection
Shade:
Got buffed, esspecially on stambuilds
Surprise attack loosing major fracture:
PvE: The tank already provides this debuff. With the new debuff to resist you can reduce resist now even more
PvP: Suprise attack already got the highest tooltip out of every single target spammable with Instant damage. Also providing major fracture and proccing your armor buffs passively was really overloaded. Every other class need to either slot ransack (way less damage compared to surp Attack while doing the exact same thing in pvp) or a secondary skill to get major fracture (noxios, sub assault). So Nightblades just got put in line with other classes and their acces to major fracture.
So in general, PvE wise nothing really changed and PvP wise Nightblades just lost some damage while being the number one single target damage class. And guess what, they will still be a top Tier class.
Why you all saying Nightblades got destroyed and are useless now?
You are wrong.
Why i am wrong. Wtf is wrong with people giving random statements without providing ANY reason. Omg4 -
Jagdkommando✭✭✭✭Jagdkommando wrote: »Hello Forumblades,
I just wanted to point out a few things cause i mostly see Nightblades saying the class is dead and unplayable now without really saying why.
I was going over the changes done in Update 22 and dont really see any big and class destroying Things.
1. Incap trading Major Defile for Minor Mangle
PvE: Doesnt effect it at all
PvP: Minor Mangle is a strong debuff and reduces Health by 2k when you just have 20k and gets even stronger the more health your target got. Makes it effective against high Health builds.
2. Grim Focus loosing minor berserk/minor endurance
PvE: In an optimized group you have a healer with Combat prayer that is giving you minor berserk so you get this buff anyway. Also you have the best sustain out of all classes dps wise and i think you can handle a loss of 10% stam Recovery.
PvP: you lost minor berserk but gained Minor Vulnerability wich is a much more potent damage increase. And for loosing minor endurance maybe its time to put 1 stam Recovery glyph instead of all weapon damage. You already get 15% more Recovery just by a passive... Come on....
Fear
PvE: Dont think anyone seriously using that...
PvP: You lost snare and Maim on it but you can fear Up to 6! Targets. And you lock them in place now. A spammable CC for 6 targets... Jesus.
Dark cloak:
Heal got less but you also have a longer uptime in minor protection
Shade:
Got buffed, esspecially on stambuilds
Surprise attack loosing major fracture:
PvE: The tank already provides this debuff. With the new debuff to resist you can reduce resist now even more
PvP: Suprise attack already got the highest tooltip out of every single target spammable with Instant damage. Also providing major fracture and proccing your armor buffs passively was really overloaded. Every other class need to either slot ransack (way less damage compared to surp Attack while doing the exact same thing in pvp) or a secondary skill to get major fracture (noxios, sub assault). So Nightblades just got put in line with other classes and their acces to major fracture.
So in general, PvE wise nothing really changed and PvP wise Nightblades just lost some damage while being the number one single target damage class. And guess what, they will still be a top Tier class.
Why you all saying Nightblades got destroyed and are useless now?
You are wrong.
Why i am wrong. Wtf is wrong with people giving random statements without providing ANY reason. Omg
Dude, as a top player in this game, you are wrong believe me, in vMA now stamblades are ***, in solo roleplay ***, in pvp extremely weak(i mean defenses), you will not ALWAYS get those nerfed buffs, especially in random dungeon runs where even 810+ players most of the times dont know how to play!!! and many many other things2 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭Jagdkommando wrote: »Hello Forumblades,
I just wanted to point out a few things cause i mostly see Nightblades saying the class is dead and unplayable now without really saying why.
I was going over the changes done in Update 22 and dont really see any big and class destroying Things.
1. Incap trading Major Defile for Minor Mangle
PvE: Doesnt effect it at all
PvP: Minor Mangle is a strong debuff and reduces Health by 2k when you just have 20k and gets even stronger the more health your target got. Makes it effective against high Health builds.
2. Grim Focus loosing minor berserk/minor endurance
PvE: In an optimized group you have a healer with Combat prayer that is giving you minor berserk so you get this buff anyway. Also you have the best sustain out of all classes dps wise and i think you can handle a loss of 10% stam Recovery.
PvP: you lost minor berserk but gained Minor Vulnerability wich is a much more potent damage increase. And for loosing minor endurance maybe its time to put 1 stam Recovery glyph instead of all weapon damage. You already get 15% more Recovery just by a passive... Come on....
Fear
PvE: Dont think anyone seriously using that...
PvP: You lost snare and Maim on it but you can fear Up to 6! Targets. And you lock them in place now. A spammable CC for 6 targets... Jesus.
Dark cloak:
Heal got less but you also have a longer uptime in minor protection
Shade:
Got buffed, esspecially on stambuilds
Surprise attack loosing major fracture:
PvE: The tank already provides this debuff. With the new debuff to resist you can reduce resist now even more
PvP: Suprise attack already got the highest tooltip out of every single target spammable with Instant damage. Also providing major fracture and proccing your armor buffs passively was really overloaded. Every other class need to either slot ransack (way less damage compared to surp Attack while doing the exact same thing in pvp) or a secondary skill to get major fracture (noxios, sub assault). So Nightblades just got put in line with other classes and their acces to major fracture.
So in general, PvE wise nothing really changed and PvP wise Nightblades just lost some damage while being the number one single target damage class. And guess what, they will still be a top Tier class.
Why you all saying Nightblades got destroyed and are useless now?
You are wrong.
He is rightXbox EU & NA - PVP Only7 -
darkblue5✭✭✭✭✭Guess magblades don't count. Yeah now we can avoid fighting even more with RAT like the filthy rats we are, and then get 50% reduced damage Assassin's Wills that give a heal that is cut by 50% again by Battle Spirit. 
There's no way that will make healers unneeded in PVE again and surely will help the worst strongest open world spec survive even better!
Yes, magblades are just as strong as they were and that's just great.
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Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Jagdkommando wrote: »Jagdkommando wrote: »Hello Forumblades,
I just wanted to point out a few things cause i mostly see Nightblades saying the class is dead and unplayable now without really saying why.
I was going over the changes done in Update 22 and dont really see any big and class destroying Things.
1. Incap trading Major Defile for Minor Mangle
PvE: Doesnt effect it at all
PvP: Minor Mangle is a strong debuff and reduces Health by 2k when you just have 20k and gets even stronger the more health your target got. Makes it effective against high Health builds.
2. Grim Focus loosing minor berserk/minor endurance
PvE: In an optimized group you have a healer with Combat prayer that is giving you minor berserk so you get this buff anyway. Also you have the best sustain out of all classes dps wise and i think you can handle a loss of 10% stam Recovery.
PvP: you lost minor berserk but gained Minor Vulnerability wich is a much more potent damage increase. And for loosing minor endurance maybe its time to put 1 stam Recovery glyph instead of all weapon damage. You already get 15% more Recovery just by a passive... Come on....
Fear
PvE: Dont think anyone seriously using that...
PvP: You lost snare and Maim on it but you can fear Up to 6! Targets. And you lock them in place now. A spammable CC for 6 targets... Jesus.
Dark cloak:
Heal got less but you also have a longer uptime in minor protection
Shade:
Got buffed, esspecially on stambuilds
Surprise attack loosing major fracture:
PvE: The tank already provides this debuff. With the new debuff to resist you can reduce resist now even more
PvP: Suprise attack already got the highest tooltip out of every single target spammable with Instant damage. Also providing major fracture and proccing your armor buffs passively was really overloaded. Every other class need to either slot ransack (way less damage compared to surp Attack while doing the exact same thing in pvp) or a secondary skill to get major fracture (noxios, sub assault). So Nightblades just got put in line with other classes and their acces to major fracture.
So in general, PvE wise nothing really changed and PvP wise Nightblades just lost some damage while being the number one single target damage class. And guess what, they will still be a top Tier class.
Why you all saying Nightblades got destroyed and are useless now?
You are wrong.
Why i am wrong. Wtf is wrong with people giving random statements without providing ANY reason. Omg
Dude, as a top player in this game, you are wrong believe me, in vMA now stamblades are ***, in solo roleplay ***, in pvp extremely weak(i mean defenses), you will not ALWAYS get those nerfed buffs, especially in random dungeon runs where even 810+ players most of the times dont know how to play!!! and many many other things
Why are stamblades in vma *** now? Cause they lost major fracture and minor endurance? How come other classes without access to These buffs can still do it pretty good. I dont think stamblades are *** now.
What is solo roleplay? Roleplay gets effected by loosing major fracute? Dont know never been in this roleplay thingy
Defense wise in PvP normal damage stamblades lost minor Maim on Fear. Okay got it. But doesnt the main defense from stamblades just come from avoiding damage by dodge roll and cloak?
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✭✭✭✭✭Jagdkommando wrote: »Jagdkommando wrote: »Hello Forumblades,
I just wanted to point out a few things cause i mostly see Nightblades saying the class is dead and unplayable now without really saying why.
I was going over the changes done in Update 22 and dont really see any big and class destroying Things.
1. Incap trading Major Defile for Minor Mangle
PvE: Doesnt effect it at all
PvP: Minor Mangle is a strong debuff and reduces Health by 2k when you just have 20k and gets even stronger the more health your target got. Makes it effective against high Health builds.
2. Grim Focus loosing minor berserk/minor endurance
PvE: In an optimized group you have a healer with Combat prayer that is giving you minor berserk so you get this buff anyway. Also you have the best sustain out of all classes dps wise and i think you can handle a loss of 10% stam Recovery.
PvP: you lost minor berserk but gained Minor Vulnerability wich is a much more potent damage increase. And for loosing minor endurance maybe its time to put 1 stam Recovery glyph instead of all weapon damage. You already get 15% more Recovery just by a passive... Come on....
Fear
PvE: Dont think anyone seriously using that...
PvP: You lost snare and Maim on it but you can fear Up to 6! Targets. And you lock them in place now. A spammable CC for 6 targets... Jesus.
Dark cloak:
Heal got less but you also have a longer uptime in minor protection
Shade:
Got buffed, esspecially on stambuilds
Surprise attack loosing major fracture:
PvE: The tank already provides this debuff. With the new debuff to resist you can reduce resist now even more
PvP: Suprise attack already got the highest tooltip out of every single target spammable with Instant damage. Also providing major fracture and proccing your armor buffs passively was really overloaded. Every other class need to either slot ransack (way less damage compared to surp Attack while doing the exact same thing in pvp) or a secondary skill to get major fracture (noxios, sub assault). So Nightblades just got put in line with other classes and their acces to major fracture.
So in general, PvE wise nothing really changed and PvP wise Nightblades just lost some damage while being the number one single target damage class. And guess what, they will still be a top Tier class.
Why you all saying Nightblades got destroyed and are useless now?
You are wrong.
Why i am wrong. Wtf is wrong with people giving random statements without providing ANY reason. Omg
Dude, as a top player in this game, you are wrong believe me, in vMA now stamblades are ***, in solo roleplay ***, in pvp extremely weak(i mean defenses), you will not ALWAYS get those nerfed buffs, especially in random dungeon runs where even 810+ players most of the times dont know how to play!!! and many many other things
Why are stamblades in vma *** now? Cause they lost major fracture and minor endurance? How come other classes without access to These buffs can still do it pretty good. I dont think stamblades are *** now.
What is solo roleplay? Roleplay gets effected by loosing major fracute? Dont know never been in this roleplay thingy
Defense wise in PvP normal damage stamblades lost minor Maim on Fear. Okay got it. But doesnt the main defense from stamblades just come from avoiding damage by dodge roll and cloak?
Totally agree with you.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.3 -
Jagdkommando✭✭✭✭Jagdkommando wrote: »Jagdkommando wrote: »Hello Forumblades,
I just wanted to point out a few things cause i mostly see Nightblades saying the class is dead and unplayable now without really saying why.
I was going over the changes done in Update 22 and dont really see any big and class destroying Things.
1. Incap trading Major Defile for Minor Mangle
PvE: Doesnt effect it at all
PvP: Minor Mangle is a strong debuff and reduces Health by 2k when you just have 20k and gets even stronger the more health your target got. Makes it effective against high Health builds.
2. Grim Focus loosing minor berserk/minor endurance
PvE: In an optimized group you have a healer with Combat prayer that is giving you minor berserk so you get this buff anyway. Also you have the best sustain out of all classes dps wise and i think you can handle a loss of 10% stam Recovery.
PvP: you lost minor berserk but gained Minor Vulnerability wich is a much more potent damage increase. And for loosing minor endurance maybe its time to put 1 stam Recovery glyph instead of all weapon damage. You already get 15% more Recovery just by a passive... Come on....
Fear
PvE: Dont think anyone seriously using that...
PvP: You lost snare and Maim on it but you can fear Up to 6! Targets. And you lock them in place now. A spammable CC for 6 targets... Jesus.
Dark cloak:
Heal got less but you also have a longer uptime in minor protection
Shade:
Got buffed, esspecially on stambuilds
Surprise attack loosing major fracture:
PvE: The tank already provides this debuff. With the new debuff to resist you can reduce resist now even more
PvP: Suprise attack already got the highest tooltip out of every single target spammable with Instant damage. Also providing major fracture and proccing your armor buffs passively was really overloaded. Every other class need to either slot ransack (way less damage compared to surp Attack while doing the exact same thing in pvp) or a secondary skill to get major fracture (noxios, sub assault). So Nightblades just got put in line with other classes and their acces to major fracture.
So in general, PvE wise nothing really changed and PvP wise Nightblades just lost some damage while being the number one single target damage class. And guess what, they will still be a top Tier class.
Why you all saying Nightblades got destroyed and are useless now?
You are wrong.
Why i am wrong. Wtf is wrong with people giving random statements without providing ANY reason. Omg
Dude, as a top player in this game, you are wrong believe me, in vMA now stamblades are ***, in solo roleplay ***, in pvp extremely weak(i mean defenses), you will not ALWAYS get those nerfed buffs, especially in random dungeon runs where even 810+ players most of the times dont know how to play!!! and many many other things
Why are stamblades in vma *** now? Cause they lost major fracture and minor endurance? How come other classes without access to These buffs can still do it pretty good. I dont think stamblades are *** now.
What is solo roleplay? Roleplay gets effected by loosing major fracute? Dont know never been in this roleplay thingy
Defense wise in PvP normal damage stamblades lost minor Maim on Fear. Okay got it. But doesnt the main defense from stamblades just come from avoiding damage by dodge roll and cloak?
I feel you die too much because of NBs in pvp... here is why you agree with nerfs and even saying that NBs still strong... learn to play mate5 -
Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Guess magblades don't count. Yeah now we can avoid fighting even more with RAT like the filthy rats we are, and then get 50% reduced damage Assassin's Wills that give a heal that is cut by 50% again by Battle Spirit.
There's no way that will make healers unneeded in PVE again and surely will help the worst strongest open world spec survive even better!
Yes, magblades are just as strong as they were and that's just great.
Okay, yes magblades got hit a bit. They were never the best class for open Word PvP. But they are still strong in duels and are always in the top 3 of dueling turnaments.
You Assassin's Will is still hard hitting. You lost minor berserk but how is that a 50% damage reduction? You mean battlespirit? Thats nothing new. And minor berserk was never a flat 8% damage increase cause it also needed to pass the damage mitigation from your target.0
