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Nightblades got gutted
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Neoealth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Damn guys. You feeling some of the pain we sorcs had to endure.
Not so funny now is it...
Jokes also on me anyway since I've just finished lvling and gearing a pvp nb. It's like zos senses what I'm playing mostly then nerfs it.Edited by Neoealth on April 16, 2019 7:31AM8 -
FleetwoodSmack✭✭✭✭✭
✭Me: Those of us true to the class shall endure.
Also me: Daaaaaayum that Necromancer lookin' like a snacc.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!4 -
DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don't think nightblades know what it means to be a gutted class xdUnfortunate magicka warden main.
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Fairweather Friends
Retired to baby bgs forever. Leave me alone.9 -
alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »Why for the love of god are we always getting the nerfhammer? I mean it’s like zenimax doesn’t like having a rogue playstyle. Nightblades were meant to be single target killers. Meant to be able to quickly kill a SINGLE target. Not multiple. Not fight extended fights against multiple targets. They have steadily destroyed the rogue playstyle with each patch. Just because you get assassinated by one player doesn’t mean they are overpowered. The nightblade was meant to be able to go out into Cyrodil by yourself and be able to put the fear of the gods into whoever was running by themselves. Is that really so bad? I mean you have a nightblade fighting a group and it’s laughable because we can’t fight for extended periods and healing ourselves. Stop killing the rogue playstyle. Instead teach people to actually build to defend against it. Don’t expect to go into pvp and be able to survive every single player you come across. I don’t expect to kill every tank I cross paths with. But I definitely expect to be able to kill a player who I’ve taken by surprise and who is by themselves
now you know how dk's feel, not only did their class get nerfed but also the race used with themMain character dk - Vanikifar whitestrike3 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »It's almost as if their design philosophy contains the idea that melee MagBlades should not exist in this game.
So very true. Even if you play not going invisible, Zos nerfs them again. I wonder if Magblades are just hated by Zos. They have no idea of a magblades playstyle where you actually 1 v X without being a ghost. Shows just how they don't really look at the whole picture with ruining their game and the classes that actually needed a buff such as the magblade. Smh6 -
Seminolegirl1992✭✭✭✭✭Ahh the sweet Stamblade tears (magblades you have my sympathy). Also you’re class is still strong, you’re still getting great secondary effects, you still have class identity. You’re just going to have to work for your kill instead of being able to wipe someone out in a couple hits from stealth with no effort.
This. God forbid they use skill rather than spam to win after a strike from the shadows that incaps you and takes you down significantly....then spin to win as a spammable execute.@Seminolegirl1992 PC/NA CP 2700+ PVE, PVP, RP, Housing: Tel Galen, Fair Winds, Moon Sugar, Grand Psijic, Forsaken, HOTLC, Bastion, Ravenhurst, Gardner, Alinor, Hakkvild's, Gorinir, Kragenhome, Hundings, & more- feel free to come see!Misery's Master | Unstoppable | Mindmender | Swashbuckler Supreme | Planesbreaker | Dawnbringer | Godslayer | Gryphon Heart | Immortal Redeemer | Tick Tock Tormentor | Dro-m'athra Destroyer | Former Empress2 -
Seminolegirl1992✭✭✭✭✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »
This right here is why Nightblades are god damn stupid. Any other class initiates a fight normally, and fairly. But no, not nightblades. They stalk in the shadows like cowards, hit you with a fat heal debuff, wiping out over half your health pool in one strike, while also increasing their damage against you by 20%, followed by their spammable which strips away your resistances and hits like a truck.Shadowasrial wrote: »But I definitely expect to be able to kill a player who I’ve taken by surprise and who is by themselves
Before you have time to react you're almost dead in an unrecoverable state.
Stamblade is the most idiotic thing I've ever encountered
@Alucardo mate you are the voice of wisdom.
Don't forget also to add that Bosmers previous passives made that ridiculous OP class the cancer at Cyrodiil.
And personally I have no sympathy to the magNBs, who are as bad.
In light also with the pet Sorc serious nerf, which seems everyone ignored, Cyrodiil would be a better place tbh.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »
This right here is why Nightblades are god damn stupid. Any other class initiates a fight normally, and fairly. But no, not nightblades. They stalk in the shadows like cowards, hit you with a fat heal debuff, wiping out over half your health pool in one strike, while also increasing their damage against you by 20%, followed by their spammable which strips away your resistances and hits like a truck.Shadowasrial wrote: »But I definitely expect to be able to kill a player who I’ve taken by surprise and who is by themselves
Before you have time to react you're almost dead in an unrecoverable state.
Soooo.... a typical "rogue" in just about every MMO pvp situation I've ever heard of?
edit: I mean, I don't pvp because I hate it, but I'm just surprised at how offended some people get at single-target stealth assassin classes acting like single-target stealth assassins. Getting 'ganked' by some jackass griefer rogue #/&^!($ is a core part of the pvp experience.
Following your own mindset, I say that NBs shouldn't be able to bring down a heavily armoured Templar or Dragonknight with just two strikes. Because NB is a simple a "rogue" class as you insist.
Yet that obvious is happening in Cyrodiil the last 5 years. Hell, the only class that can recover and beat the NBs is the Magicka sorcerers and DKs.
So, be thankful NBs escaped with just those few tweaks. The nerfhammer should have been heavier.
And a history lesson. DAOC had similar PVP system with ESO. What killed the whole game PVP "selling point", was the huge amount of CC, against a pitiful amount of non existing "anti-CC". With a cherry on top, 3 very powerful stealth classes one-two shooting everyone and not giving a chance to the defender to react.
Exactly what's happening in Cyrodiil 5 years now. FYI many of the DAOC game designers worked and working on ESO.
Also if you ask people around, they will tell you that the best memorable experience in Cyrodiil, was when they met another "non stealth", "non one shoot trick pony", non jumping around like a fricking rabbit player, and had a battle lasting 15+ minutes. And what puts off the significant majority of the player base, is one shoot OP gang builds, which doesn't allow for anyone to react, making their whole Cyrodiil experience an endless trip on a horse trying to get to the battle and never getting there.
That is why always advocated less CC, less ganging possibilities, and more long lasting fights resembling a war at Cyrodiil, not another mission for the Dark Brotherhood.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^@Seminolegirl1992 PC/NA CP 2700+ PVE, PVP, RP, Housing: Tel Galen, Fair Winds, Moon Sugar, Grand Psijic, Forsaken, HOTLC, Bastion, Ravenhurst, Gardner, Alinor, Hakkvild's, Gorinir, Kragenhome, Hundings, & more- feel free to come see!Misery's Master | Unstoppable | Mindmender | Swashbuckler Supreme | Planesbreaker | Dawnbringer | Godslayer | Gryphon Heart | Immortal Redeemer | Tick Tock Tormentor | Dro-m'athra Destroyer | Former Empress1 -
Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NBs: "Sorcs have easy mode, nerf them!"
Also NBs: "Don't touch my easy stealth kills or my pew pew you're dead combo!"
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭TheTwistedRune wrote: »Sadly the inadequacies of some PVP players ruin the game for everybody, even those of us who only PVE. It is a strange mindset, to lose a battle and blame everything except yourself.
Clearly, these people have deep rooted real world issues.
This is normal in 2019. This is how young people operate now. This is how they see the world. It's not just ingame.
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Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Replace the word "rogue" with "coward", and the OP's rant makes perfect sense 😁
Just like streak spammers?
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xMovingTarget✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Karmanorway wrote: »About time they got the nerfhammer,
I have a stamblade too (Prefect rank), and always thought they were too OP compared to other classes
Yea. Now it seems we are not forced to play them anymore. Which is great if you ask me and many others. Was time for a meta shift away from nb5 -
Shadowasrial✭✭✭✭✭
✭I’m all for the snipe builds and steel tornado builds getting gutted but when 90% of my skill bar got nerfed I have to draw the line I play a brawler stam nb. It hit decently hard but had great sustain and great resistance. I was by no means a tank but if you hit me I didn’t just fall over dead you had to work for my death. Now however all of the skills I actually use for damage are nerfed to near uselessness just a prime example of zos being lazy they could have locked the major fracture behind the flanking and rear attacking and that would have been better than removing it all together mark target would be used more if it didn’t alert the target that they were marked defeating the purpose of marking your target giving them the advantage of knowing they are the Target so hey let me buff up. Hell I can even deal with the incap nerf so they don’t get less healing that’s fine but honestly they gutted surprise attack3 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The sad part is nobody even tries to differ stamblades from magblades. First ones are OP and will be brought down which is good, but magblades.... are almost nonexistent, yet they also get the nerfed, literally MAGBLADE IS A WEAKEST CLASS FOR PVP AND STILL IT GETS NERFED EVEN MORE... I'm not surprised nobody cares because nobody plays them...I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.10 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Warden was born gutted. We've had the lowest PvE usage rate since we launched (currently 8%, was 2% before we got minor toughness). At least NBs have had long periods of being in the meta (they were at 35-40% usage the entire past year). Wardens have never even sniffed the meta.Edited by MLGProPlayer on April 16, 2019 11:30AM9 -
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Even magblade’s bombing potentional got nerfed with the DoT changes (delayed first ticks)
i disagree.
bombing potential will go up if the patch notes come to live like they are right now.
soul tether dot doesnt tick that hard so the dot change wont affect it as much.
The minor berserk nerf is not that bad either. there are other sources for it, and im sure i can make one of them work for me.
But the 6->8m tether increase and the 25% damage buff form sap are huge. And the snare removal from race against time will make it easier too for getting in and out of bombs.
Edited by laksikus on April 16, 2019 11:31AM1 -
RusevCrush✭✭✭Time to separate pve and pvp skill abilities. Shouldnt be that difficult. Nobody wants stamblade for the new trials, this is the nail in the coffin.5
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kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭They just gutted the stamina class spammable so now you’ll end up using crushing weapon or shrouded daggers and being a bit more generic. MNB is already using that so not much changes there.
They still have class execute that sets them apart and makes them desirable
Unless MDK changes make them super OP or Necro comes out OP AF probably not much will change.
Actually, everyone is going to be playing necromancer anyways so they could nerf all other classes into the ground for awhile then give a little power back over time.1 -
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✭Thing is though that stamblade is the best at fighting for extended periods, you have pocket loss, and the fastest single burst possible so you can kill a target, use cloak and reset, taking enemies out one by one, where most other classes are getting smashed by huge hits they can't avoid or escape from.
I didn't want a nb nerf though, stamblades are currently very strong but I would have rathered the classes lacking be brought in line. It's not like it makes the game any better for me just because nightblades have a harder time too.5 -
Reevster✭✭✭✭✭Too many Stealth spammers giving NB a bad name.
Its your own fault.
What do you think would happen?
*** off enough lower skilled/geared players with one shots... hmmmmm , ya like none of them will come on the forum and whine/ call for nerfs... and rightfully so.
Edited by Reevster on April 16, 2019 12:21PM7 -
HackTheMinotaur✭✭✭✭So far I don’t like the surprise attack change. 5% equals roughly 500-1000 penetration, not even close to 5280. Stam NB is already crushed for bar space AND magicka pool, so running another mag ability (mark target) is not a great option.
I disagree with the developer comment that MT always existed as the “primary” source of fracture. It was always surprise attack unless you were a bow build. You are forcing new mechanics rather than creating more viable options which is not always well received.
As others have mentioned, marking your target is the opposite of a stealth gameplay mentality. @ZOS_Gilliam would you guys consider a morph of MT that costs stamina and only applies fracture? It could be split into separate mag and stam morphs like the warden shalk ability. Also if it was undetectable or had a more inconspicuous animation that would help promote Stealth gameplay.2 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭How? I thought it was just the loss of one 8% buff which can be replaced by slimecraw.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.0 -
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Im going to wait till it discounted now with these changes. Im finding another game to play in the meanwhile.1 -
Kemenril✭✭✭I never comment on class changes, because the drama is always overblown.
But this is an over-nerf. This isn't drama. Compared to other classes, this is a straight-up hatchet job.14
