Should the Dragon Knight be a yokudan martial art instead?

Mecanista · February 2019

I'm leveling a 2h swordsman DK, and it bugs me how inconvenient it is to be an akaviri-wannabe warrior. I feel like the Dragon Knight lacks identity within Tamriel, unlike the other classes.

In my oppinion, it would be more constructive if this class was designed around the yokudan culture, since the Sword-Singers are trained both in magic and fighting skills. Plus, you would have a plausible explanation on how the technique found you in Tamriel as a student through Redguard immigration.

Ogou · February 2019

If I remember correctly. The technique is being taught by former blades so it does make sense to be there.
The problem with the Yokudan alternative is that Redguards would have no reason to try to emulate dragons.

Bruccius · February 2019

The Yokudans have no connection to Dragons; the Akaviri did. The ways of the Dragonknight was taught by a member of the Dragonguard, it doesn't fit with the Yokuda.

Claudman · February 2019

It'd be odd for Kalpa-Hopping Time-and-Space Samurai to be using a martial art from a being (and named after a being) they're not familiar with.

Daimmyo · February 2019

Lorewise, it would be best for Redguards to play as Nightblades than?

Claudman · February 2019

@Daimmyo

Well...To begin with, Yokudans aren't Redguards, they're the ancestors of Redguards.

If we are to discuss what would be lore-friendly for your typical Redguard, I'd say it'd either be Templar or Dragonknight. Redguards aren't opposed to serving as Dragonguard (or the Blades of the future) as some Redguards live in Cyrodiil. Redguards aren't heavily against healing magic, so they could be a Templar as well.

In reality though, Redguards could fit in any role all dependent on their upbringing.

Daimmyo · February 2019

Yeah,

we are on the same boat - I main stam DK, trying to bring up Templar or Nightblade, but I will probably have no time or nerves to do that.

I think just like with going to Na-Totambu, which is a reproduction of the original - and again a Lost City, we can just witness how much of the Yokudan culture was lost in transition and with time passing by.

Sekt_Tiberlus · February 2019

DK can also be just some kind of a mix of alteration and alchemancy. Especially suitable for Saxhleel. But, i think that DK uses Nirn or its Core as source of his energy/magicka, not Aetherius.

Ajaxandriel · February 2019

My comment here:

Ajaxandriel wrote: »

Specifically about lore introduced in ESO, if your question could be answered from the perspective of an ingame npc, what would you ask?

Is it likely that the redguards have their own way about what is called the "Dragonknight" path by Tamrielians? that can be Satakal or Sep imitating techniques?

My two redguards are DK, but I can't see their backstory to be related with the tradition of Akavir... Instead I imagine they learnt tradition from yokudan lineage.
If we think about it, in the deep lore, there are indeed hints for this.
- The Hiradirge used stone magics
- The Ansei can make the Shehai, spirit-sword, so can do the Templars (lance skills) and ...DKs (lava whips)
- Yokuda continent sank after huge wars, that looks like armies of DKs spreading huge mess on their own earth crust...
- Obscure lore talks about the Pankratosword, an ultimate sword/alteration/atom technique that sounds quite like DK too
- Satakal is reptile-shaped in their myths
- Sep is a snake also
- There's stuff about skin of the world etc.
- Redguards live in sand & rocks deserts, the class magics that fit the best is DK's

Draxys · February 2019

You’re not wrong about DKs lacking identity. Idk how long you’ve been in this game, but that’s been a problem ever since consoles/CP came out. It’s design still fits better with the old PC only version of the game.

Nisekev · March 2019

I'd say only Nightblades, Sorcerers and upcoming Necromancers somewhat don't lack identity with Tamriel. Wardens are supposed to be connected to Vvardenfell, but use permanent bear pet, which isn't supposed to be there.

Ysbriel · April 2019

I don't understand why is it hard to relate a Redguard DK with Akaviri training. Don't you remember Baurus form TES4 Oblivion? People complain about class identity on Tamriel for not seeing a reason to that ties race and class. First, if you haven't noticed by now being from one race and being in another province is as usual as IRL and many people today who don't have any east asian lineage, know some form of east asian martial art.

mnemoniclights · April 2019

It makes sense for Dragon Knight to be aligned with the Dragonguard aka blades because well, they're alive. They still exist and we see them in the game in Imperial City.

It doesn't make sense for dragon knights to be aligned with sword-singers because sword-singing is a dead art that has been dead since the first era.

it was a big point with Sai Sahan who wasn't able to revive sword-singing being a major part of why he is so down and hard on himself. It's why Tharn's doppleganger in the interrogation main quest dungeon was teasing Sai Sahan about learning Sword-Singing

Sai Sahan saw it as his biggest dishonor, not being able to revive such an important part of his culture, it's why Dragon Knight being aligned with Sword Singing doesn't make sense

Nisekev wrote: »

I'd say only Nightblades, Sorcerers and upcoming Necromancers somewhat don't lack identity with Tamriel. Wardens are supposed to be connected to Vvardenfell, but use permanent bear pet, which isn't supposed to be there.

Actually Wardens are from Valenwood, they're servants of Y'ffre.

"Wardens are defenders of the Green, master storytellers whose nature tales become magical reality. They wield frost spells against enemies and summon animals to aid them."

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Warden